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Posted: 4/9/2009 9:55:11 PM | Ironman, you claim that eating 5-6 meals per day significantly revs up the metabolism, more than that experienced with eating 3 meals per day - correct?
Then you stated that you went on vacation, switched to 3 meals per day, and lost 5lbs of muscle.
Q: how did you lose weight when you claim that eating 3 meals per day slows down your metabolism? | |
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Posted: 4/10/2009 5:07:55 AM | ^ Please read my other posts so you don’t end up asking the same questions that I have already answered. Let me educate you on fitness/bodybuilding 101! When you have extra muscles you need a lot more calories to maintain it, it can be anywhere from girl going from 110lb to 114lb or guy going from 170 pounds to 185 pounds! At the time I was at lean 218 pounds. My body needs at least 2700 calories to maintain that muscle mass. Since I went down to 3 meals a day from my usual 7 meals a day my body did not receive proper amount of calories to maintain my muscle mass and the end result was me GOING DOWN IN SIZE (MUSCLE SHRINCAGE). Even when you gain 2 pounds of muscle you can not have the same diet as you did before you gained the muscle. If you do have the same diet then you will burn off those 2 pounds of muscle gain since your body did not get proper nutrition to maintain it.
Do you not realize that human metabolism dates back to caveman. It's very simple. When person eats often our body raises metabolism because it knows that we are going to eat again so it's in the hurry to metabolize calories so it can be ready for the next meal. When person does not eat often our body goes into STARVATION MODE because it says to itself "I don’t know when he is going to eat so I better hold on to the food that he/she ate now (store it as fat, since extra fat is what our body needs to service and not extra muscle) because it might be a while since he/she eats again.
Human body is extremely adoptive machine. When person eats clean and often it burns calories extremely fast and since when you eat healthy food is clean it gets metabolized that much faster! Extra calories lets your body recover from hard days of work then, it rebuilds broken down muscle fiber from workout, it gives you fuel for next days workout. You simply can not get all that just from eating 3 meals a day. If your 3 meals consist of 2000 calories then break it down into 6 smaller meals. Meals can be as simple as couple of protein shakes such as first thing in the morning and right after workout.
Tell you what. Why don’t you google Chad Nichols and Charles Glass. They train Mr.Olympia, Pro-bodybuilders, Fitness models, Mike Tyson, and other celebrities. They will tell you exact same thing I kept telling you. Another thing you can do is go on Chad Nichols bodybuilding discussion forum its where lot of Pro-athletes go to chat to fans and answer their questions. Once again every single person their will tell you everything I kept telling you. If that’s not good enough for you and if you still going to argue that then their is nothing more I can say or do since you doubt Professionals who been into fitness since they were 15 years old and now they do this for a LIVING, not one of them got where they are at by accident !!!
I could see your point if half of fitness industry said that you are right and another half said that you are wrong, but when entire fitness industry/athletes say that you need to eat more often in order to get better results then I would have to say that you are stubborn and wrong.
Also how can I debate with someone when they don’t even know simple things such as that more muscle mass you have the more calories you need to keep it and when you go down from 6-7 meals a day to 3 meals a day you will end up losing muscle mass.
Can you get into ok shape by eating 3 meals a day, YES YOU CAN but a lot of weight lose will be muscle loss and not fat! Time after time I seen people that went onto starvation diets losing 20 or so pounds but once they took of their shirts they were skinny but flabby because they weight they lost was mostly muscle. Fact still remains that you will not be the best you can be by doing that and if you ate more often you would look that much better and have more energy.
LOL even diet systems like nutrasystem , south beach diet, act... advocate eating 5-6 small meals a day FOR QUICKER FAT LOSS. | |
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Posted: 4/10/2009 5:21:37 AM | Few people can get into shape by doing minimal work but if they did more they would be that much better! If you are happy with the way you are and you don’t think you can or need improvement then so be it don't change a thing. Sometime s even pro-athlete can be very good but the minute he gets together with nutritionist and improves on his diet and training that pro-athlete becomes that much better!
When I just started out lifting I had muscles and I was lean but when I educated myself on nutrition not only did I gain more muscles but I became bigger and leaner. Knowledge is power and the best place to get that is from people who been doing this all their life and do this for a living.
If you were with all star NBA players would you argue all of them that when it comes to training for basketball that they are wrong and you are right? If you were in group with self made millionaires would you argue them on how to make money? If you were in group of military special forces would you argue with them regarding warfare tactics? If the answer is no, then why would you argue entire fitness/nutrition industry?! | |
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Posted: 4/10/2009 5:41:17 AM | catjandbj --- LOL maybe I should post studies that shows that cigarettes do not kill, you know they do exist right? For the study that you showed me there are 50 times more studies that show other wise.
I am not going to post those studies because its just silly its common knowledge and if you want to better yourself you will go and do your own research because its very clear you only read and believe what you want to believe.
Unlike you I have done real life study on myself and my clients. When I was younger I read fitness magazines, talked to expert nutritionists, worked out with pro-bodybuilders. When I applied their knowledge to my own body my body exploded with progress.
Maybe I should go get a study that says smoking is not bad for you and then go argue entire cancer community in harm in smoking because that’s what you are essentially are doing by showing me couple of bogus studies. They even have studies that show you only need 20 grams of protein to be big and muscular (proven to be wrong), they also have studies that show that your body can not metabolize more then 30 grams of protein per meal (proven to be wrong).
Millions on top of millions people die from smoking every year. HHHHMmmmmm could it be true that smoking kills and could it be also true that the study I read regarding smoking not being bad for you is WRONG?!
Thousands on top of thousands of Athletes, Pros, movie stars and regular gym rats get into shape by eating more often. HHHHmmmmmm could it be true eating more then 3 times a day promotes extra lose in body fat and gain in lean muscle and the study that went against is wrong?
Tell you what you make up your own mind. I have and I got great results with millions of others. Now its time for you to do the same!
For 6 months go from eating 3 clean meals a day to 6 clean meals a day and then tell me if made no change in your body what so ever. Do your own study on yourself!
One thing every single person has in common when they go from 3 clean meals a day to 6 clean meals a day, they all say that they are more hungry through out a day and they cant wait to eat again. Reason for that is due to ELEVAITED MATABOLSIM FROM EXTRA MEALS! | |
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Posted: 4/10/2009 7:26:19 AM | Ironman,
The entire argument for frequent meals raising metabolism is based on the thermal effect of food (TEF). Yes, every time you eat food it raises TEF - or metabolism if you will. However, the studies proving this have been grossly misinterpreted by people out to sell diet and exercise books.
The studies which people tend to ignore are the ones that show the at the end of the day, TOTAL TEF is no different whether you consume 4000 calories a day via many meals or you consume 4000 calories a day via 2 or 3 meals. In other words, overall - when measured over the entire day - metabolism remains constant and there is no difference in terms of fat storage.
Now, that said, there is emerging research - the most notable coming from Dr. John Ivy at the University of Texas - which appears to support the benefits of nutrient timing for building muscle mass and endurance. Ivy's research has shown that the most critical time for proper nutrient intake in order to build muscle occurs 30 minutes prior to exercise and 15 to 45 minutes after exercise.
From http://www.utexas.edu/features/archive/2004/nutrition.html:
According to Ivy, “nutrient timing” begins 30 minutes before exercise, when one should fully hydrate and raise blood glucose levels by consuming approximately 14-20 ounces of water or electrolyte solution. This delays the development of dehydration, hastens the onset of sweating and moderates the rise in body temperature.
During exercise, smart nutrition choices become even more important. In order to spare muscle glycogen, limit cortisol and free radical levels, prevent dehydration and set the stage for faster recovery after a workout, Ivy found that fluids should be replenished every 15 to 20 minutes, if possible.
In one study with cyclists, Ivy discovered that drinking a fluid containing carbohydrate and protein in a 4:1 ratio improved endurance 57 percent compared with water and 24 percent compared with a carbohydrate drink.
Because muscle breakdown occurs faster during exercise, consuming a supplement that includes protein while exercising gives muscles some of the protein they need to produce extra energy. The result is less muscle damage. Similarly, maintaining blood glucose levels by ingesting carbohydrates during exercise leads to less depletion of glycogen stores and less fatigue.
Wrapping up the metabolic window of opportunity around exercise is the very important 30 minutes following a workout. In fact, according to Ivy, this is the most important time for minding nutrition p’s and q’s.
In the 30 minutes following a workout, a muscle’s potential to rebuild peaks, and it is extremely sensitive to insulin. To take full advantage of the muscle rebuilding benefits that can occur in this golden window of opportunity, the right combination of nutrients, such as carbohydrate and high quality protein, should be consumed within 15 to 45 minutes after exercise.
Insulin sensitivity, and the ability of muscle fibers to pack in as much energy as possible, falls significantly one hour after exercise. After two hours, muscles not only lose their sensitivity but actually become insulin resistant and muscle breakdown occurs. Even though activity has stopped, the muscles continue to lose protein and nutrients without supplementation.
Yes, there are reasons why timing meals - which includes eating more frequently throughout the day - is better for building muscle mass and endurance. But BP and a couple of others are absolutely correct when they state that it's a MYTH that eating more meals verses fewer meals raises metabolism - IT DOESN'T.
Muscle mass raises metabolism. The more muscle you're able to build the higher your RMR. So let's establish the correct cause and effect relationship in terms of what raises metabolism and stop spreading this myth that won't diet which states that metabolism is raised by eating 5 or 6 meals a day. Again, IT'S A MYTH!! | |
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Posted: 4/10/2009 7:35:45 AM | Ironman, you didn't need to post those huge diatribes above. All you needed to do wast post this:'
My body needs at least 2700 calories to maintain that muscle mass. Since I went down to 3 meals a day from my usual 7 meals a day my body did not receive proper amount of calories to maintain my muscle mass and the end result was me GOING DOWN IN SIZE (MUSCLE SHRINCAGE)
Let's study this. You went on vacation, ate FEWER calories, and you lost weight.
That is hardy a SEKRET OF THE FITNESS GURU'S !!!
In fact, most people understand this intrinsically.
Now, show me self-study (or a real study!) where the ONLY variable changed was MEAL FREQUENCY.
That means the following MUST stay constant, in order to prove your theory:
Caloric intake
Exercise frequency/intensity
Fluid intake
Supplement intake
Sleep pattern
So here's your chance to prove how meal frequency alone affects your body composition. | |
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Posted: 4/10/2009 9:42:08 AM |
catjandbj --- LOL maybe I should post studies that shows that cigarettes do not kill, you know they do exist right? For the study that you showed me there are 50 times more studies that show other wise.
Then it should be no problem for you to post them and correct me. I'm still waiting.
I am not going to post those studies because its just silly its common knowledge and if you want to better yourself you will go and do your own research because its very clear you only read and believe what you want to believe.
Typical response from someeone when they have had their ass handed to them. And a rule of thumb is that knowledge is not "common". People believe alot of crap that isn't true; this forum is a living example.
Unlike you I have done real life study on myself and my clients. When I was younger I read fitness magazines, talked to expert nutritionists, worked out with pro-bodybuilders. When I applied their knowledge to my own body my body exploded with progress.
And in your arrogance to act all knowing, you make the false assumption that I too have never done similar things.
Maybe I should go get a study that says smoking is not bad for you and then go argue entire cancer community in harm in smoking because that’s what you are essentially are doing by showing me couple of bogus studies. They even have studies that show you only need 20 grams of protein to be big and muscular (proven to be wrong), they also have studies that show that your body can not metabolize more then 30 grams of protein per meal (proven to be wrong).
Since you are so up to date on the research, please post them and stop looking like an ass.
Millions on top of millions people die from smoking every year. HHHHMmmmmm could it be true that smoking kills and could it be also true that the study I read regarding smoking not being bad for you is WRONG?!
Aside from having a great physique you also have a great ability to present logical fallacies. Did you put as much effort into arguing strawmen as you did in getting swole?
Thousands on top of thousands of Athletes, Pros, movie stars and regular gym rats get into shape by eating more often. HHHHmmmmmm could it be true eating more then 3 times a day promotes extra lose in body fat and gain in lean muscle and the study that went against is wrong?
You can't even see that I never made any prescriptive claims, I merely stated that there is NO evidence that meal frequency increases metabolic rate. Your argument constantly fails because you take examples that have numerous variables and try to claim that meal frequency is the causative explanation.
Tell you what you make up your own mind. I have and I got great results with millions of others. Now its time for you to do the same!
Wow...brilliant argument.
For 6 months go from eating 3 clean meals a day to 6 clean meals a day and then tell me if made no change in your body what so ever. Do your own study on yourself!
It wouldn't change the evidence of the research, since your argument is not limited to meal frequency, but training variables, caloric variables, nutritional variables, pharmaceutical variables, etc.
One thing every single person has in common when they go from 3 clean meals a day to 6 clean meals a day, they all say that they are more hungry through out a day and they cant wait to eat again. Reason for that is due to ELEVAITED MATABOLSIM FROM EXTRA MEALS!
Ehhh...fail. Until you post those studies that you claim are "common knowledge", then you are making spurious assumptions. Hunger is affected by numerous variables, so trying to reduce it down to "metabolic rate" is ridiculous. | |
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Posted: 4/10/2009 9:42:13 AM | I am done debating with you! You don’t realize how ignorant and uneducated regarding fitness you make yourself sound!!!! Everything I tell you and told you comes from ELITE FITNESS PROFESIONAL AND ELITE PROFESIONAL NUTRITIONISTS!!! Every time you tell me im wrong, its you like you telling all those professionals that they are wrong and you right!
There are people like you in every single sport, people who could not even win local contest but yet they will argue with the most successful people in the sport. I would love for you to stand next to fitness competitor girls who are best of the best in the world and tell them all that they are wrong and they don’t know how to diet or eat for the show. lol all those girls paid 1000 dollars or so for expert nutritionists to make diets for them that consist of 5-6 meals. lol i guess they all got ripped off. All they had to do was fallow your study and they could of saved 1000 dollars. lol give me a break.
Ask yourself this, why is it that person feels hungrier when they eat more often during the day. It’s because their metabolism is elevated. People who eat only 2-3 times a day can go for hours without eating, reason for that is because their metabolism is not working as fast and as result of that they don’t get hungry as fast. Come on use some common sense!!!
Tell you what, go on Chad Nichols forums and post your argument their. That site is full of pro athletes , top armatures and nutritionists who help elite athletes get in the best shape. If you are so strongly convinced that you are right and I am wrong then you should have no problem PROVING me wrong on that site.
You keep asking me to show studies
So I guess word of pro athletes who make living of their bodies is NOT ENOUGH FOR YOU!
Every single fitness magazine says that you have to eat 5-6 small meals a day to elevate ur metabolism is not enough for you!
World’s best nutritionists say you have to eat 5-6 small meals a day is not enough for you!
Movie stars when asked how they got in such great shape they say that they worked out hard and ate 5-6 small a day, that’s not enough for you as well!
And the list goes on!
I can’t win with someone like you. In the end you can argue with me until you are blue in the face but all your arguments will be nothing but HOT AIR since as they say PROVE IS IN THE POODING and that’s why fitness models look the way they do in matter of couple of months.
Feel free to GO TO CHAD NICHOLS FORUMS AND STATE YOUR CASE THEIR WITH WORLDS BEST AND TOP PEOPLE IN FITNESS INDUSTRY!! Tell them that everything that they have learned in the past 100 years is wrong and that your one or two studies prove that. Also make sure to email nutrasystem diet, south beach diet , companties and tell them that they dont need to tell their clients to eat 5-6 small meals a day , that your one or two studies show all their clients can get same results from 3 meals! Next time when im doing my bodybuilding show , i'll make sure not to talk to guy who did nutrition of Mr.USA, and some famous pop singers, i'll make sure to contact you since you and your study know more then top fitness experts. Good luck and i'll see you on chad nichols site stating your case to worlds top fitness experts! | |
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Posted: 4/10/2009 9:52:08 AM |
Tell you what. Why don’t you google Chad Nichols and Charles Glass. They train Mr.Olympia, Pro-bodybuilders, Fitness models, Mike Tyson, and other celebrities.
Last time I saw a pic of Nichols, he didn't have an impressive physique, especially not compared to the people he trained, so by your own assertion, he can't be a reliable source of information, because his own physique is not superb. And even if he "once" had a great physique, that would be irrelevant, because he no longer does and by your assertion, his knowledge of training and nutrition should be directly related to his own appearance. | |
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Posted: 4/10/2009 10:15:33 AM |
I am done debating with you! You don’t realize how ignorant and uneducated regarding fitness you make yourself sound!!!! Everything I tell you and told you comes from ELITE FITNESS PROFESIONAL AND ELITE PROFESIONAL NUTRITIONISTS!!! Every time you tell me im wrong, its you like you telling all those professionals that they are wrong and you right!
You are a walking example of logical fallacies. There may be "elite" professionals who make the claim you are making, which makes them wrong, regardless of them being "elite", because it is not implausible to get the desired outcome even if some of your reasoning is incorrect.
But I would presume that some of these "elite" professionals DON'T believe that meal frequency increases metabolic rate, as you assert, and would correct you just as many of us have.
And lastly, something is true regardless of who states it. You are arguing the fallacy of authority. Einstein's theories were true because they correctly describe the observations of reality, not because Einstein said it was so. The same goes for all knowledge.
There are people like you in every single sport, people who could not even win local contest but yet they will argue with the most successful people in the sport. I would love for you to stand next to fitness competitor girls who are best of the best in the world and tell them all that they are wrong and they don’t know how to diet or eat for the show. lol all those girls paid 1000 dollars or so for expert nutritionists to make diets for them that consist of 5-6 meals. lol i guess they all got ripped off. All they had to do was fallow your study and they could of saved 1000 dollars. lol give me a break.
If you show me where I made any prescriptive claim in this thread, then I'd pay you $1000. Please show me where I said "you SHOULD eat like x" or "eating like y is WRONG"? I'll give you some time to Google the word "prescriptive".
Ask yourself this, why is it that person feels hungrier when they eat more often during the day. It’s because their metabolism is elevated. People who eat only 2-3 times a day can go for hours without eating, reason for that is because their metabolism is not working as fast and as result of that they don’t get hungry as fast. Come on use some common sense!!!
Since when is Nutritional Biochemistry "common sense"??? For the love of God, how retarded is this claim? How many people know what ghrelin is? Neuropeptide Y? Cholecystokinin? PYY? Leptin? ad nauseum.
Tell you what, go on Chad Nichols forums and post your argument their. That site is full of pro athletes , top armatures and nutritionists who help elite athletes get in the best shape. If you are so strongly convinced that you are right and I am wrong then you should have no problem PROVING me wrong on that site.
What does this have to do with your assertion that I am wrong? If its so easy to refute, why aren't you capable?
You keep asking me to show studies
That I have. And you can't.
So I guess word of pro athletes who make living of their bodies is NOT ENOUGH FOR YOU!
Every single fitness magazine says that you have to eat 5-6 small meals a day to elevate ur metabolism is not enough for you!
World’s best nutritionists say you have to eat 5-6 small meals a day is not enough for you!
Movie stars when asked how they got in such great shape they say that they worked out hard and ate 5-6 small a day, that’s not enough for you as well!
And the list goes on!
Nope. They are far from sufficient. What I asked for was the "study after study that proves" this claim that you made.
I can’t win with someone like you. In the end you can argue with me until you are blue in the face but all your arguments will be nothing but HOT AIR since as they say PROVE IS IN THE POODING and that’s why fitness models look the way they do in matter of couple of months.
You are becoming annoying. You might be able to obfuscate your way around people much less knowledgeable, but its just annoying to me. Throwing out specious arguments is not evidence. Fitness and bodybuilding participants look the way they do for numerous reasons.
Feel free to GO TO CHAD NICHOLS FORUMS AND STATE YOUR CASE THEIR WITH WORLDS BEST AND TOP PEOPLE IN FITNESS INDUSTRY!! Tell them that everything that they have learned in the past 100 years is wrong and that your one or two studies prove that. Also make sure to email nutrasystem diet, south beach diet , companties and tell them that they dont need to tell their clients to eat 5-6 small meals a day , that your one or two studies show all their clients can get same results from 3 meals!
Another example of your love of logical fallacies. So by your belief, why stop at 5-6 meals? Why not 10-15? Think of how high your metabolism would be with that many? Who would need DNP when they can just eat and eat and watch the pounds melt away?
Next time when im doing my bodybuilding show , i'll make sure not to talk to guy who did nutrition of Mr.USA, and some famous pop singers, i'll make sure to contact you since you and your study know more then top fitness experts. Good luck and i'll see you on chad nichols site stating your case to worlds top fitness experts!
Nahhh...you won't see me there, but you have a good time, ya hear. | |
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Posted: 4/10/2009 10:17:58 AM | ^ LOL as I told you before, at one time all those guys used elite athletes themselves and at one time Chad Nichols used be pretty big guy!! Lot of those guys been proved themselves over and over again and after they retire they start to eat like average person and they don’t care that they have a small belly now because they have nothing more to prove. Fact still remains that if and when they chose to get into great shape again they have no problem doing it within few months while people like you who argue with people like them 3 years later still look the same. Don’t debate on what he looks like now, fact still remains that he does wonders for world class athletes and one of them was mike tyson! It does not matter what world class nutritionists or coaches say, what matters is that they all AGREE that person has to eat 5-6 meals a day not only to have enough nutrition but to raise metabolism as well. All the top athletes are their working prove!
Use some common sense would you! Because my bodies metabolism is elevated from 7 meals a day that if I don’t eat with in 3 hours im starving due to my metabolism working rapidly while on other hand my friends who are used to eating 2-3 times a day can eat first meal at 6am and not get hungry by 3pm. Even when I eat junk food like couple of burgers with cheese fries and desert im starving after 3 hours while average person wont get hungry until 5-6 hours later. The reason im starving after few hours and average person is not is because my metabolism is faster then theirs.
Like I said come back to me after you done study on your own body and for 5-6 months you went from 3 meals to 6 meals a day then come back and talk to me. Until then you have no business debating with me!
Also do me a favor and start reading more bodybuilding/fitness magazines, read up what type of diets world class athletes & top armatures are on, start talking to guys who compete in the sport, start hanging out in bodybuilding forums. You might learn thing or two! | |
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Posted: 4/10/2009 10:31:17 AM | ^ There are tons of studies that show extra small meals raise metabolism. I am not about to sit here and do research for you. As i said go to chad nichols website , post your argument their and he will BE MORE THEN GLAD TO SHOW U STUDIES AS HE HAS IN THE PAST TO OTHERS! As i said in above post go hang out in real fitness/bodybuilding forums you might learn thing or two. I also dont believe you that at one time you ate 6 clean meals a day for long period of time. IF you really did eat 5-6 clean meals a day for at least six months you would not be saying you could of done the same thing with 3 meals and you would not be saying that you did not notice raise in your metabolism and hunger. I have been into fitness and bodybuilding lifestyle since i was 13 years old and you would be first person in my life who tells me that they got same results from 3 meals a day!
Chad nihols - world class nutritionist
Chris Aceto - world class nutritionist
Charles glass - trainer of champions
Jay cutler - Mr.olympia
Ronnie Coleman -Mr.Olympia
Arnold - Mr.olympia
Monica brand- Fitness Olympia
Mike tyson- boxing champion
Breatny spears- famous singer
Jessica simpson - Famous singer
Actors from movie 300
actor who plays wolverine in xmen
Even Opera on her diet ate more then 3 times a day!!!!
Mikel phelps - worlds best swimmer
list goes on
they are all people who said in order to be in shape they are in they had to eat more then 3 times a day.
Now please show me your list of people who claim that they got into amazing best shape by only eating 3 meals a day. Dont show me a study, show me real world top athletes and top tire nutritionists who say you can do the same thing with 3 meals.
You dont seem to understand that when you tell me that im wrong is you telling the entire fitness industry THAT THEY ARE WRONG! | |
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Posted: 4/10/2009 10:32:54 AM | Oh good lord. Ironman, have you ever met a figure competitor? Ever? From what you're saying, it's hard to believe you have.
Figure girls are notorious for having horrendous relationships with food. You want to find a prime example of a female with eating disorders? Look no further than competitive figure/bb girls. Now, they're my friends, and I love them to death, but holding them up as bastions of how to eat is laughable.
Do you really believe what you read in bb magazines? You do know they're all sponsored by supplement companies, don't you? When they list what Ronnie Coleman ate today, or what Jay Cutler lifted yesterday, do you really believe they're telling you the truth? These guys pay big bucks to trainers and coaches, yet there's no NDA saying they're allowed to spill all for the mags??? The mags regurgitate the "6 PACK IN 6 WEEKS!" articles months after months, because meatheads buy that crap.
So, let's get thing straight here. You're telling me that the only difference between me and Gina Aliotti is that she eats 6 times per day, right? That's the magic? | |
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Posted: 4/10/2009 10:36:19 AM |
Also do me a favor and start reading more bodybuilding/fitness magazines, read up what type of diets world class athletes & top armatures are on, start talking to guys who compete in the sport, start hanging out in bodybuilding forums. You might learn thing or two!
LOL!!! Yeah, cause they are the cutting edge of nutritional science. HAHAHA!!! | |
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Posted: 4/10/2009 10:40:51 AM |
There are tons of studies that show extra small meals raise metabolism. I am not about to sit here and do research for you.
LOL!! Best defense when you don't have any defense; just appeal to some vast compilation of evidence that you refuse to present. | |
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Posted: 4/10/2009 10:41:10 AM | LOL ```BP```` I dont get my information from magazines, i was lucky enough to be friends with fitness models and pro bodybuildiers and some of their nutritionists. Some of them might have eating disorder but fact still remails that ALL THE TOP fitness girls eat more then 3 times a day! Yes i train with few in my gym and train with few in Vegas.
Ok lets forget fitenss girls. How about men bodybuilders?! You think they might know something about eating? After all some of them make money of their bodies and who better to ask then guy who builds his body for a living. So how about it? maybe next time you go to bodybuilding contest you should ask around. | |
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Posted: 4/10/2009 10:43:21 AM | | I dont need to defend myself to you. My body is my prove (where is yours?) and if you want extra prove then go to chad nichols site, im sure expert in nutrition can explain way better then i can and if his word is not good enough for you there are tons of other atheletes their who can help you as well. | |
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Posted: 4/10/2009 10:46:23 AM | Your problem is you think you sound smart and educated on FORUM LIKE THIS where people have minimal knowledge about fitness but you scared/refuse to go to real bodybuilding/fitness websites because you know that you will be laughed out of their with your silly study. You say that you are serious about fitness but yet when i tell you about chad nichols website you dont want to go their. If im serious about fishing and someone gives me pro-bas website where top of the top guys hang out and help people out with questions then I would go to that site as fast as possible to learn. My question is, if you are so serious about fitness and you seem so sure about your study then why not go to chad's site and discuss it with worlds best fitness guys/girls.
Like I said, there are tons of studies that say smoking does not give person cancer. Maybe i should take those studies and go argue with cancer community. | |
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Posted: 4/10/2009 10:49:16 AM |
I dont need to defend myself to you. My body is my prove (where is yours?) and if you want extra prove then go to chad nichols site, im sure expert in nutrition can explain way better then i can and if his word is not good enough for you there are tons of other atheletes their who can help you as well.
Its "proof", not "prove". | |
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Posted: 4/10/2009 11:13:30 AM | ----- BP------ So, let's get thing straight here. You're telling me that the only difference between me and Gina Aliotti is that she eats 6 times per day, right? That's the magic?
That comment right their tells me you know very little about bodybuilding and fitness. It also tells me you did not experiment much with nutrition over long period of time other wise you would know how important nutrition and recovery is and that to properly recover and speed up your metabolism you need to eat more then 3 tiems a day. YES NUTRITION MAKE WORLD OF DIFFERENCE!!!!!!! MAGIC IS NUTRITION AND BEING CONSISTENT! The rest is up to the genetics! Do you not realize that there are hundreds of guys who at one time either had hard time winning local show, state show or nationals even pros (including myself) and the minute they changed and upped their nutrition (thanks to nutritionist) they became 10 times better!!!!!!
If you knew fitness and nutrition you would also know why person who eats 6 times a day is starving if they did not eat in 3 hours and you would know why person who only eats 2-3 times a day can go 5-6 hours without hunger. It all has to do with metabolism speed! That is why you and the other guy wont go to websites like chad nichols where top tire fitness guys hang out because deep down inside you know you will be proved wrong by chad and other top bodybuilders and nutritionists and you know that chad will show your prove with studies and prove with his own athletes.
I know that most of those magazines have falls info about ronnie coleman and jay cutler but what all of them have in common is tips on eating FOR AVERAGE PERSON. Get big in 6 weeks headlines are nothing more but selling points!
You mean to tell me you will take one or two studies (where there are plenty of studies that will show other wise ) over words of world class nutritionists, world class trainers and athletes who prove results with their own bodies. All I can say is WOW!
We need to stop this argument. It's getting us now where. I been into fitness since I was 13, I won many bodybuilding shows and next year I will be doing nationals, I have taken bodybuilding knowledge and applied it to my body and helped countless others as well.
If you and others are serious about fitness then start talking with rest of serious people who are into fitness. Start visiting sites like Chad Nichols where tons of pros, nutritionists hang out, start talking to top tire fitness/bodybuilding competitors. I realize that every one has their own little way of doing things but BASICS SUCH AS NUTRITION LIKE EATING MORE THEN 3 TIMES A DAY ALWAYS STAYS THE SAME!
You can either continue arguing or you can actually start learning things from people who live and breath fitnes/bodybuidling for a living. | |
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Posted: 4/10/2009 12:04:54 PM | Oh dear. Ironman, please indicate where I have ever said nutrition was not important. Please read what I actually wrote, instead of what you want to see.
Why would you assume that I've never stumbled across Muscle Mayhem? Just because I prefer to get my diet/traning advice from non-juicers does not mean that I know nothing about nutrition and fitness.
In fact, when you're 46, have popped out two kids, and can lift as heavy as I do with test levels much lower than a 28 yr old male, then you can come back and tell me I know very little about fitness.
And we're still waiting for those 'plenty of other studies'.
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Posted: 4/10/2009 12:08:55 PM |
You can either continue arguing or you can actually start learning things from people who live and breath fitnes/bodybuidling for a living.
This is a dating site, not a bodybuilding site. For the couple of dozen people here who are serious bodybuilders, weightlifters, or into a very fit lifestyle, there are thousands and thousands of others who just want to lose a few pounds so they will be more attractive to the opposite gender.
When people, such as the OP, post these kinds of things, the regular person who reads it that wants to lose 2o lbs. will think, "Oh, I just need to eat 5 times a day instead of 3 and I will lose this weight". Unfortunately, they wind up gaining weight because instead of a tablespoon of wheat germ for a meal, they eat a peanut butter and jelly sandwich.
If people want this sort of discussion, that is fine, but it would be better to make clear the context of the discussion. The people advocating the benefits of 5 meals a day are also advocating hours and hours of fitness training.
I would like to add one further note. The very last thing most people who are trying to lose weight want to feel is hungry. My gosh, it's difficult enough to stick with a reduced calorie, healthy plan without also trying to fight the temptation of hunger.
I will say here what I've said so many times on other threads and discussion boards: If you truly want to help people lose weight and live healthier lifestyles, consider the people you are addressing. For the most part, we are not exercise or weightlifting or fitness enthusiasts. We want to learn how to be more attractive and healthier within certain confines. Please consider that these types of posts can do damage to those who are actually seeking help, while they only provide a temporary source of amusing debate for those who are already living a fit life. | |
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Posted: 4/10/2009 12:15:34 PM |
If you knew fitness and nutrition you would also know why person who eats 6 times a day is starving if they did not eat in 3 hours and you would know why person who only eats 2-3 times a day can go 5-6 hours without hunger. It all has to do with metabolism speed!
Since you keep talking in circles Ironman it looks like I'm going to have to take the ball over on your court.
From Lee Hayward's Total Fitness Bodybuilding Log: http://leehayward.blogspot.com/2009/03/do-frequent-meals-increase-your.html
Does eating frequent meals increase metabolism?
A lot of diet and nutrition experts recommend eating several smaller meals per day rather than eating the typical 3 square meals per day. The thinking behind this is that frequent feedings will help speed up the metabolism and burn more calories from the energy used to digest the food.
But does this really work in the real world?
There was a study done by Drs. M A Taylor and J S Garrow from King's College London UK (Int. J. Obesity 25: 519-528, 2001) that measured the energy expenditure from eating 6 meals per day vs. 2 meals per day. The test subjects ate the same number of total calories, but the first group ate that food in 6 small meals and the second group ate the same amount of food in 2 big meals.
The results of the study showed that there was No Difference in the energy expenditure from eating 6 meals per day or 2 meals per day. This goes to show that the key to losing weight (or gaining it) is the total caloric intake and not the meal frequency.
Now with that being said there is still some benefits to dividing up your food intake up over the course of the day because it is easier to digest and generally more comfortable on the stomach to eat lighter more frequent meals.
However, when it comes to sticking with a serious fat loss diet, one trick that I've used personally and have shared with several of my personal coaching students with great results, is once you are following a structured fat loss eating plan and you want to further reduce your caloric intake to create an even greater caloric deficit. Rather then cutting back on your portion sizes and eating smaller meals to the point where you have to eat a few bites of food and then leave the table hungry. Keep the meal size the same and just eat fewer meals.
When I start a pre-contest fat loss diet I'll begin with 6 meals per day, then cut back to 5 meals, then 4 meals, and for the last few weeks before a show I'll even drop down to just 3 meals per day. The meal size stays consistent and this allows me to leave the table comfortably full, but I'm creating a caloric deficit simply by eating fewer meals and less food over the course of the da.!
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Posted: 4/10/2009 12:56:45 PM |
Oh dear. Ironman, please indicate where I have ever said nutrition was not important. Please read what I actually wrote, instead of what you want to see.
But it's so much easier making the bogus argument that if you don't agree with him that meal frequency increases metabolic rate, then you must by default disagree with eating several small meals, disagree that training influences outcome, disagree that nutrition influences outcome, ad nauseum. When someone disagrees with you, just charge that they are arguing against every possible proposition, instead of just the one being discussed.
Why would you assume that I've never stumbled across Muscle Mayhem? Just because I prefer to get my diet/traning advice from non-juicers does not mean that I know nothing about nutrition and fitness.
What?!?!?! Are you trying to claim that anabolic steroids, clenbuterol, T3, DNP, IGF, GH, Lasix, etc. affect metabolic parameters and physical appearance? Nonsense. It's the magic number of meals that are key!
In fact, when you're 46, have popped out two kids, and can lift as heavy as I do with test levels much lower than a 28 yr old male, then you can come back and tell me I know very little about fitness.
And we're still waiting for those 'plenty of other studies'.
kthnxbye
Who you gonna believe? Some egghead scientists or Britney Spears, HUH? | |
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