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Posted: 4/10/2009 1:01:56 PM | Good post, pazoozoo. I would bet that the majority of poster on the POF forums are looking for ways to lose weight, not bulk up.
Imagine a typical woman, whose dieting levels are in the ballpark of 1200kcal per day.
Ok, let's divide that 1200 into 6 meals.
That's 6 meals of 2oo calories each.
Now do some investigating, and determine what 200 calories worth of food actually looks like. Pretty depressing, huh?
Many people will fare better on three 400 cal meals, or even four 300 cal meals. For some folks, it just feels better to actually feel "full" once in a while. It helps them get through to the next meal. For others. constant nibbling helps them meet their goals. What blunts hunger for one person does not necessarily work for everyone. But it's a compliance issue, not a metabolic 'fire' issue. | |
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Posted: 4/10/2009 1:04:01 PM | | Well, you kinda gotta admit that Brit is smokin' these days!! | |
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Posted: 4/10/2009 1:27:26 PM | Now do some investigating, and determine what 200 calories worth of food actually looks like
I don't have to imagine. My maintenance caloric intake is 1237. On top of that, a 25 yr. old woman at my weight and height will burn app. 1/3 more calories doing the same amount of activities, so even with a very active lifestyle, I don't getta eat much food to stay "pleasingly plump".
I've heard the more frequent, smaller meal plan before, and even tried it. I was constantly hungry, teary, grumpy, and all around unhappy.
The sad truth is that I, and people like me, will only get an effective metabolic boost through the use of chemicals, and most of us aren't really comfortable with their use or side effects.
I sincerely hope the OP and others will consider what I wrote. I wasn't trying to bash their knowledge. I was simply trying to help them understand the pitfalls of those types of posts. | |
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Posted: 4/10/2009 1:53:49 PM |
The sad truth is that I, and people like me, will only get an effective metabolic boost through the use of chemicals, and most of us aren't really comfortable with their use or side effects.
Well, not quite true. Adding muscle mass through resistance training will boost resting metabolic rate - not to mention the energy burned while actually do the exercise.
And yes, even at 61 the body is quite capable of growing muscle through resistance training.
And no, you'll never have to worry about "bulking up". The idea is simply to change the body's composition so that more lean muscle mass exists. | |
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Posted: 4/10/2009 2:06:04 PM | Ahh...jumbie. We've had this discussion before. Your benchmarks are people who are on a bodybuilding site, mine are people standing in the line at the dry cleaners, and taking brisk walks around the neighborhood. The keywords in my statement were "I and people like me".
Yes, mature people can build body mass to significantly increase their metabolism if they have had no injuries or physical impairments that prohibit the type of training over and above I, and those like me can do.
And really, do you seriously consider that a 61 yr. old woman who has spent her life playing all types of sports would be concerned about bulking up? | |
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Posted: 4/10/2009 3:04:00 PM | And really, do you seriously consider that a 61 yr. old woman who has spent her life playing all types of sports would be concerned about bulking up?
Sorry. LOL! That was a preemptive statement on my part. If I had $10 for every time a beginner stated in a post "I just want to tone up. I don't want to bulk up", I'd be retired living in the Abacos right now.
It's my humble opinion that any exercise regimen is lacking if it doesn't incorporate resistance training. People will all too often use the excuse that they fear becoming muscle-bound, not realizing that it takes an extreme and extraordinary amount of effort to look like a bodybuilder. | |
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Posted: 4/10/2009 3:14:20 PM |
...have you ever met a figure competitor? Ever? From what you're saying, it's hard to believe you have.
Figure girls are notorious for having horrendous relationships with food. You want to find a prime example of a female with eating disorders? Look no further than competitive figure/bb girls. Now, they're my friends, and I love them to death, but holding them up as bastions of how to eat is laughable.
I have. My last serious girlfriend was a fitness competitor and I have also dated couple others including one who is well known in the pro ranks. So I do have the first hand knowledge of above statement to be true. I have witnessed binge and purge, not eating anything solid etc.
In fact I have nothing more to add to this thread which I already havent already said.
 carry on. this is entertaining. | |
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Posted: 4/10/2009 4:25:23 PM |
I have. My last serious girlfriend was a fitness competitor and I have also dated couple others including one who is well known in the pro ranks. So I do have the first hand knowledge of above statement to be true. I have witnessed binge and purge, not eating anything solid etc.
In fact I have nothing more to add to this thread which I already havent already said.
carry on. this is entertaining.
Obsessive/compulsive behaviours, especially food related are very common in the professional levels of the fitness and bodybuilding community; both male and female. When your career revolves around what your body looks like, its hard not to select for those with the most focused and dedicated personalities. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2009 7:01:03 AM | I have been around some African Americans who did some bad things. HHMMMMmm so maybe all of them are bad. After all thats what your argument sounds like. You say that you beeen around few pro athletes who had eating issues so in conclusion you act as if every single pro has eating issues.
You call all those guys juice hads. Thats typical excuse for someone who on their best they could not even look like those guys /girls on their worst day. Juice is being used in every single sport by almost all athletes. Fact of the matter is even without juice those guys would still be good. Other wise every single gym rat across the world would be pro athlete. You also do know that their are natural bodybuilding federations? where they test them and give them lie detector tests.
Juice or no juice to be in amazing shape for the show one has to properly diet. Dont even argue with me about that. Everyone in fitness world can tell if person been cheating on their diet or not. HUGE HUGE difference in look, juice or no juice, if one cheated a lot you could tell!!!!!!
I am not going to argue with you guys anymore. THose people who are open minded and willing to learn they will do their own research , they will talk to personal trainers, they will talk to nutritionists, they will google bodybuilding/fitness websites, they will pick up fitness magazines, they will talk to guys and girls in the gym who compete in the sport and then they will make their own decision.
To the guy who said "who am i going to believe, am i going to believe scientist or some egg head singer"
with all due respect buddy! but i am not going to believe some egg head singer but person who i am going to believe is person who did her diet and trained her , the person i am going to believe is person who did diet for mr.olympia, i am going to believe person who did diet for mike tyson, i am going to believe people who been doing fitness all their life. I am going to believe nutritionist who over past 20 years transformed body after after body. Reason i believe them because i did my own research and because MY BODY IS MY PROVE FOR MY OWN RESEARCH! I will take word of all those guys over yours any time of the day ! Also its well known fact that not everything that looks good on paper works in real life! So once again, i will go by what nutritionists have to say. I am not going to argue something thats agreed on by entire fitness/athletic community(football players, nba players, olympic swimmer mike phepls, bodybuilders, boxers, runners, nutritionists, personal trainers, lol even operas nutritionist, they alll agree that extra meals elevated metabolism and gives person better recovery and they have agree on it for the past 60 years!
To the girl who said that she was eating 1200 calories and she was always hungry. If you were hungry then why did you not adjust your calorie intake and eat more clean food? lol under eating can have same affects as over eating. Thats the problem with some people, they will do wrong things such as eat too little and then say that diet does not work. When im dieting if i feel im too hungry i just eat little more food. Don't count calories, go by how you feel. dont eat until you stuffed , eat until you feel full. REMEMBER ONE THING OUR BODY DOES NOT LIKE CHANGE SO IT USUALY TAKES 2-4 WEEKS TO START FEELING/SEEING CHANGE. When i clean up my diet for the first 2 weeks all i want is sweets/fats but after few weeks my body forgets about it and idont have same cravings. And if it still consists after 4 weeks then all you have to do is just adjust your calories. Remember one thing. clean calories did not make you gain weight, fats/sugars made you gain weight, so don't be scared of clean calories specially if you working out 5 times a week.
In the end if something works for you then continue using it, why change it if it aint broke. BUt if you still where you were a year ago with minimal change then YOU ARE DOING SOMETHING WRONG. No scence in doing something where you know months or year from now going to give you same results.
I know that my metabolism raises when i eat more often. Just like isaid before, when i eat 3 meals a day im barely ever hungry. Once I start eating more often Im starving after 2-3 hours. I have friends who eat 2-3 times a day and they can just eat peanut butter sandwich and go without hunger for next 5-6 hours, reason for that is because their metabolism is slower because it knows that he wont eat for next 5-6 hours so their is no sense of urgency to burn off those calories. When i eat properly (juice free) i transform my body within 15 weeks. I guess i have to be doing something right.
I competed and won bodybuilding shows, i have made diets for other guys/girls who compete. I transformed my clients in the gym, i was lucky enough to talk to mr.olympia nutritionist, lucky enough to talk to CUBS nutritionist who works out in my gym, lucky enough to talk to pro athletes. So please dont tell me that everything i have learned from worlds best athletes and nutritionists IS WRONG specially when i took that knowledge and used it on myself and others and it seemed to work!
Difference between me and you is. Im not genetically gifted, i dont take juice but what i do is. I experiment on my own body lol and my friends/clients who ask me to help them lose weight. I listen and read articles from worlds best nutritionists and i ACTUALLY UPPLY THEIR KNOWLEDGE TO MY OWN BODY. Their is no magic pill, their is just hard work and PROPER NUTRITION which i could not get from just 3 meals but hey if you found a way to have fast metabolism and get enough RECOVERY just from 3 meals then you have done something that all athletes could not do for the past 60 years , more power to you!
Any smart person will stop reading our arguments and go and actually pick up diet books, fitness magazines and with his own eyes see what all of them have in common. IM DONE ARGUING WITH YOU 3 KNOW IT ALL BUT NO BODY OR CLIENTS TO SHOW FOR YO YO'S. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2009 7:07:42 AM | | catjandbj---- please email me what your daily diet is like? I would love to see how in just 3 meals you get enough protein, carbs, fats for entire day. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2009 7:19:56 AM | ~~BP~~ I realize that with age its harder to get in shape. Its harder but not impossible thats why in my gym there are women who are anywhere from 40 to 60 years old and with all do respect look better then you and unlike you they dont argue with nutritionists and trainers who been doing this for almost all their life and someone who gets hired by worlds best athletes to do their diets for.
listening to you guys is like listening to quick get rich scam. They promise that you will make millions in shortest amount period. Nothing but nonsence.
Like i said, there are even research that shows smoking is not bad for you! Maybe i should take that study to millions of people who are dying from lung cancer today. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2009 7:57:16 AM | I live and breath this sport since i was 13-14 years old. I been around athletes/nutritionists from different sports. I was lucky enough to talk to olympia guys, olympia nutritionists, guys who train olympia competitors. I was lucky enough to experience that. I applied that to my body as well and i won bodybuilding shows. So like i said i am not here to argue wtih few doubters with few silly studies (where for every single argument their is a study that says other wise). I am not here to show you prove you are not my teacher/mentor, with all due respect I achieved more in fitness/bodybuilder then both of you combined, i will not be treated like you I have to prove anything to you. I give my advice and if someone wants to use it fine and if they dont want to use it then its fine with me as well.
BP--- one more thing, you doubt fitness girls/bodybuilders way (lol its like me doubting nba players) but the reality of it is, that when they start their diet 16 weeks out from the show they already look better then you do in your pictures. From then they even get better. They must be doing something right with their diet when their body on day one diet looks better then what you look like on your best day. Oh that's right according to you they are all juicers and have eating issues. Hey whatever helps you sleep better at night. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2009 8:42:59 AM | Ironman,
Every time you post you further perpetuate the stereotype that bodybuilders are all brawn and no brain. Seriously, stop posting about a subject you obviously haven't a full grasp on.
In a nutshell, you are claiming a cause-and-effect relationship that scientifically has not proved to be true.
Cēterīs paribus is a Latin terms that means, "all else being equal". Introducing bodybuilders into the equation when trying to prove your assertion that frequent meals boosts metabolism actually cripples your argument. Now, read slowly and open your mind for a minute and perhaps you'll actually understand the point being made by others.
Calories consumed > (greater than) calories expended (metabolism) = weight gain
Calories consumed < (less than) calories expended = weight loss
With me so far?
Now, if someone consumes 4000 calories in a day and only burns 3000 calories then that extra energy (calories = energy) is stored in the body and results in weight gain. The studies are pretty conclusive that it doesn't matter how you consume those 4000 calories in a day - whether it be 2 meals or 6 meals - at the end of the day the metabolism remains a constant 3000 calories burned (hypothetically speaking).
When you introduce bodybuilders into the equation you now upset the "all else being equal" rule that is the basic foundation for the validity of any study or experiment. No one here is arguing that eating frequent meals doesn't have its benefits. When speaking in terms of bodybuilders, eating frequent meals may very well aid in the building of muscle because of what is known as 'nutrient timing'. That is, delivering the proper nutrients at the time muscles are most receptive to repair and growth - which studies indicate is just prior, during, and right after strenuous loading of the muscles.
Will you at least agree that the more lean muscle mass one has the higher their resting metabolic rate (RMR)? It's a pretty well established fact that at rest, muscles burn more energy than fat. So, again using the "all else being equal" rule, let's take two people who both weigh 200 lbs. One of those two people has 30% body fat while the other has 10% body fat. It stands to reason then that the person with 10% body fat will have a higher metabolism and therefore can consume more calories in a day than the person with 30% body fat without gaining weight.
Still with me?
A bodybuilder trains by progressive overload and eats frequent meals containing the proper nutrition to deliver nutrients at the optimum time to build muscle. As muscle mass increases, so does metabolism. So in effect, it's not the frequent meals that raises metabolism, but the increase in muscle mass that increases metabolism.
In order to prove your assertion that frequent meals increases metabolism you would have to use completely sedentary people in the experiment in order to eliminate the role muscle mass plays in metabolism. In other words, your use of bodybuilders as an example invalidates your argument because you cannot say with certainty that eating frequent meals raises metabolism when it's an established fact that an increase in muscle mass raises metabolism. You must eliminate the variable that is the bodybuilder and conduct the experiment with two groups of sedentary people with similar body compositions. One group will consume a set number of calories in a day by eating 2 meals while the other group will consume the same number of calories by eating 5 or 6 meals. Then and only then can you prove or disprove - all else being equal - that eating frequent meals has a notable effect on metabolism.
No offense to your age, but if you took your argument to the 'Over 35' forum over at Bodybuilding.com you'd be virtually castrated over there. You also don't help your cause at all when you take shots at ~BP~ 's physique. Seriously dude, you and I know damn well there aren't many 46-year old women who have her body - so you're making yourself look pretty silly. Go to bodyspace.com and tell me there are many profiles of women 45+ who have better bodies. You want us to believe that there are lots of those women and they all train at your gym? Right. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2009 9:26:22 AM |
I have been around some African Americans who did some bad things. HHMMMMmm so maybe all of them are bad. After all thats what your argument sounds like. You say that you beeen around few pro athletes who had eating issues so in conclusion you act as if every single pro has eating issues.
Great strawman argument. If you are a pro bodybuilder or fitness athlete, you will be extremely focused on your diet, because it is a critical factor in your success. Add into this, the reality that your competition is just as focused if not more so than you and you select out for people who are near obsessive with their diet and willing to do whatever it takes to win. Those not willing to do this are called the losers in this industry.
The rest of the world doesn't have this motivation to control their diet to such degree.
You call all those guys juice hads. Thats typical excuse for someone who on their best they could not even look like those guys /girls on their worst day. Juice is being used in every single sport by almost all athletes. Fact of the matter is even without juice those guys would still be good. Other wise every single gym rat across the world would be pro athlete. You also do know that their are natural bodybuilding federations? where they test them and give them lie detector tests.
The industry is rampant with drug use. Please stop looking like a fool. I have a significant amount of knowledge and I know that pharmacology is a huge component in the pro fitness/bodybuilding world. And I am not limiting this to steroids; the number of pharmaceuticals this industry deals with is huge.
Juice or no juice to be in amazing shape for the show one has to properly diet. Dont even argue with me about that. Everyone in fitness world can tell if person been cheating on their diet or not. HUGE HUGE difference in look, juice or no juice, if one cheated a lot you could tell!!!!!!
See, this is your biggest failure: your tendency to contort the disagreement about metabolic change into your own strawman argument that we claimed that diet is unimportant or that eating multiple meals is bad. In order to save face, you have to twist our words to make them sound like we are arguing that you can eat Skittles and Big Macs with no change in body composition.
NO ONE has even made any prescriptive claims...claims on how one SHOULD eat....save you. We merely disagreed with the myth that meal frequency changes metabolic rate, which is unsupported in the research. I actually agree that the bodybuilder should eat multiple times a day in order to obtain sufficient calories and nutrients, but NOT because it increases metabolism.
And your constant use of fitness models and bodybuilders as examples is the worst possible example because these individuals use numerous drugs to increase metabolic rate and cut appetite during dieting: phetermine, cocaine, meth, ephedrine, clenbuterol, albuterol, DNP, T3/T4, etc.
I am not going to argue with you guys anymore. THose people who are open minded and willing to learn they will do their own research , they will talk to personal trainers, they will talk to nutritionists, they will google bodybuilding/fitness websites, they will pick up fitness magazines, they will talk to guys and girls in the gym who compete in the sport and then they will make their own decision.
To the guy who said "who am i going to believe, am i going to believe scientist or some egg head singer"
Actually I said "egg head scientist", but hey...who's paying attention, really?
with all due respect buddy! but i am not going to believe some egg head singer but person who i am going to believe is person who did her diet and trained her , the person i am going to believe is person who did diet for mr.olympia, i am going to believe person who did diet for mike tyson, i am going to believe people who been doing fitness all their life. I am going to believe nutritionist who over past 20 years transformed body after after body. Reason i believe them because i did my own research and because MY BODY IS MY PROVE FOR MY OWN RESEARCH! I will take word of all those guys over yours any time of the day ! Also its well known fact that not everything that looks good on paper works in real life! So once again, i will go by what nutritionists have to say. I am not going to argue something thats agreed on by entire fitness/athletic community(football players, nba players, olympic swimmer mike phepls, bodybuilders, boxers, runners, nutritionists, personal trainers, lol even operas nutritionist, they alll agree that extra meals elevated metabolism and gives person better recovery and they have agree on it for the past 60 years!
To the girl who said that she was eating 1200 calories and she was always hungry. If you were hungry then why did you not adjust your calorie intake and eat more clean food? lol under eating can have same affects as over eating. Thats the problem with some people, they will do wrong things such as eat too little and then say that diet does not work. When im dieting if i feel im too hungry i just eat little more food. Don't count calories, go by how you feel. dont eat until you stuffed , eat until you feel full. REMEMBER ONE THING OUR BODY DOES NOT LIKE CHANGE SO IT USUALY TAKES 2-4 WEEKS TO START FEELING/SEEING CHANGE. When i clean up my diet for the first 2 weeks all i want is sweets/fats but after few weeks my body forgets about it and idont have same cravings. And if it still consists after 4 weeks then all you have to do is just adjust your calories. Remember one thing. clean calories did not make you gain weight, fats/sugars made you gain weight, so don't be scared of clean calories specially if you working out 5 times a week.
In the end if something works for you then continue using it, why change it if it aint broke. BUt if you still where you were a year ago with minimal change then YOU ARE DOING SOMETHING WRONG. No scence in doing something where you know months or year from now going to give you same results.
I know that my metabolism raises when i eat more often. Just like isaid before, when i eat 3 meals a day im barely ever hungry. Once I start eating more often Im starving after 2-3 hours. I have friends who eat 2-3 times a day and they can just eat peanut butter sandwich and go without hunger for next 5-6 hours, reason for that is because their metabolism is slower because it knows that he wont eat for next 5-6 hours so their is no sense of urgency to burn off those calories. When i eat properly (juice free) i transform my body within 15 weeks. I guess i have to be doing something right.
You are doing something right; you just don't understand the reasoning.
I competed and won bodybuilding shows, i have made diets for other guys/girls who compete. I transformed my clients in the gym, i was lucky enough to talk to mr.olympia nutritionist, lucky enough to talk to CUBS nutritionist who works out in my gym, lucky enough to talk to pro athletes. So please dont tell me that everything i have learned from worlds best athletes and nutritionists IS WRONG specially when i took that knowledge and used it on myself and others and it seemed to work!
Difference between me and you is. Im not genetically gifted, i dont take juice but what i do is. I experiment on my own body lol and my friends/clients who ask me to help them lose weight. I listen and read articles from worlds best nutritionists and i ACTUALLY UPPLY THEIR KNOWLEDGE TO MY OWN BODY. Their is no magic pill, their is just hard work and PROPER NUTRITION which i could not get from just 3 meals but hey if you found a way to have fast metabolism and get enough RECOVERY just from 3 meals then you have done something that all athletes could not do for the past 60 years , more power to you!
Any smart person will stop reading our arguments and go and actually pick up diet books, fitness magazines and with his own eyes see what all of them have in common. IM DONE ARGUING WITH YOU 3 KNOW IT ALL BUT NO BODY OR CLIENTS TO SHOW FOR YO YO'S.
Here's a challenge for you. If Nichols and Aceto actually make the assertion that meal frequency increases metabolic rate, then you should have no problem posting it here so we can see their words and not just your explanation. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2009 4:19:48 PM | Jumbie564--- You are out of your damn mind if you trully believe that consuming 4000 calories in two meal is the same as consuming it in six meals. Jesus Christ!! wow are you uninformed! Human body can only metabolize so much protein, so much carbs and so much fat in one meal. You mean to tell me if i have to have 400 grams of protein and 600 grams of carbs a day i can eat 200 grams of protein and 300 grams of carbs per meal. WOW!!!!!!!!!! YOU are a tool that every single educated trainer, nutritionist, athlete laughs about in the gym!!!!!!! How about if i had to eat 6000 caloires, lol so i would have to eat 3000 per meal and it still would be the same ?hahaha !!! After your body can not metabolize food that you ate it would store it as fat!!! even if my body needs 6000 calories to maintain my eight i can not simply just give it though 2 meals, or if you eat 5 times a day and you miss one meal you can not just make up missed meal by eating two meals at same time, your body can only posses so much food at once. i know our body adopts but it has it limits as well.This whole thread has been nothing but a nightmare. 3 of you are just couple of dumbells who back up each others nonsense. Not one of you has yet to go to chad nichols website to bodybuilding.com website, getbig.com . 3 of you keep arguing with me but not one of you have enough courage and go strike up this topic on REAL FITNESSS BODYBUILDING BOARD.
You telling me i would be castrated on bodoybuilding board??!!!! HHHMMMMMM thats weird because i havent been so far and i talk with people on chadnichols.com who bodybuild and do nutrition diets for a living. I HAVE BEEN ASKING YOU AND TWO OTHER YO YO'S TO GO TO CHAT NICHOLS WEBSITE OR GETBIG WEBSITE AND PLEASE POST QUESTION TO EDUCATED BODYBUILDERS AND NUTRITIONIST IF " EATING 5-6 MEALS IS THE SAME AS EATING 2-3 MEALS A DAY" AND YOU SEE WHO WOULD BE COSTRATED
God, arguing with you guys is like ARGUING WITH SPECIAL OLYMPIC KIDS. AS I SAID I DONT NEED TO PROVE ANYTHING TO YOU 3. I was lucky enough not to only educated myself on nutrition and training through lot of reading from LOTS OF DIFFERENT SOURCES BUT ALSO WAS LUYCKY ENOGH TO TRAIN AND TALK WITH WORLDS BEST NUTRITIONISTS AND ATHLETES . BY THE AGE OF 21 I HAVE DONE MORE THEN 3 OF YOU COMBINED IN FITNESS AND BODYBUILDING. I HAVE WON LOCAL SHOWS, WON STATE SHOWS AND I TRAINED AND HELP DOZES OF PEOPLE LOSE WEIGHT AND GAINED MUSCLE.
PLEASE SEND A LINK ONCE YOU GO ON CHAD NICHOLS WEBSITE OR BODYBUILDING.COM WEBSITE AND STRIKE UP THIS TOPIC THEIR AND ALSO MAKE SURE TO TELL THEM THAT EATING 4000 CALORIES IN 2 MEALS IS THE SAME AS EATING IT IN 6 MEALS. PLEASE OH PLEASE PROVE THIS DUMB BODYBUILDER WRONG. AFTER ALL YOU 3 YO YO'S KNOW MORE THEN GUYS WHO DO DIETS FOR PRO ATHLETES AND MR.OLYMPIAS.
WAITING!!!!
BY THE WAY ---Jumbie564---- Im not responding to your threads anymore. I refuse to debate with you! For you to say that if i had to eat 4000 that it would not matter if i ate it in 2 meals is dumbest thing person can say, thats nutrition 101 for you their. I think even person who never worked out in his life knows that you can only eat so much in one meal until your body says no more and store the rest as fat.
If im eating 4000 calories in 2 meals and i need 400 grams of protein and 600 of carbs that means i would have to eat at least 10 chicken breast and 10 cups of brown rice.
Jumbie564 --- by the way just to give you a little taste of how you willl be treated on real bodybuilding board such as chadnichols aka musclemayhem today in the gym i discussed this thread and talked about you and two other yo yo's in this conversation and guess what?! here it comes
Mr.Illinois Erick sang and national bodyilder competitor , max dexter state competitor and Midwest Ironman winner, Dave pulambo - does nutrition for pro bodybuilders, They were all laughing at 3 of you and ask me why do I even bother !
Jumbie 564 I don't want to see another response from you unless you are going to email me link to bodybuilding web site where you started topic regarding this. I refuse to argue who thinks combining all the meals together is same thing as spreading them out. that's nutrition 101 and if you dont know then you ARE NOT WORTH MY TIME!!!!!!
I will be doing national show next year trying to win pro-card in bodybuilding. It's my job to know nutrition in and out. Its my job to know when to eat and how much to eat for my body to be the best it can be. its in my best interest to know latest nutrition news. because of the sport i am in i was lucky enough to be around sports worlds best including other sports such as baseball nutritionists and football nutritionists. People pay me to train them and do their diets for them. CAN 3 OF YOU SAY THE SAME ABOUT YOURSELF????!!!!!!!!!!!!
once you strike up this topic on bodybuilding web site please email the link!!!!!!!!!! Can not wait to be proven wrong :)
What 3 of you called obsessive compulsive behavior , I call that DEDICATION, COMMITMENT , SACRIFICE, KNOWLEDGE, SOMETHING THAT 3 OF YOU DONT HAVE. NOT ONE OUT OF 3 OF YOU EVER COMPITED IN FITNESS BODYBUILDING, NOT ONE OF YOU EVEN LOOK GOOD ENOUGH TO WIN LOCAL SHOW. BUT ALL 3 OF YOU SEEM TO HAVE MORE KNOWLADGE THEN ALL THE TRAINERS AND NUTRITIONISTS IN THE WORLD. LETS EVEN FORGET WHAT YOU LOOK LIKE. HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE YOU GUYS TRAINED AND HELP LOSE WEIGHT AND GAIN MUSCLE AT THE SAME TIME?
Jumbie 564 (the main yo yo) how many people did you help get lean and big with your moronic eating 4000 calories in 2 meals idea ? im dying to know??!!!!! If you have big guys who do bodybuilding shows in your gym go tell them that they waste their time eating 6-7-8 meals a day , that they can have same results with just 2 meals.
CHADNICHOLS.COM OR BODYBUILDING.COM PLEASE SEND ME LINK ONCE YOU STRATED THAT TOPIC THEIR.
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Posted: 4/11/2009 4:41:46 PM | catjandbj ------ are you kidding me? you want me to post what chad nichols or aceto has to say on here. LOL im well known guy on those boards i will not start silly fitness 101 conversation on that board!!!!! You guys are the quote unquote newbies in bodybuilding world , it would be a lot better if it came from you. Come on , its like one doctor going to group of doctors and asking them question that he should of known on first week of medical week. Just dont look/sound right.
As i said before I am not here to prove anything to you. i know what i know from worlds best and i did my on research and study on my own body as well. Thats like me sitting back and telling NBA player to go show me prove on basketball rules. He is the big dog not me. BIG dogs dont fetch for little dogs!!!!!!!
As i said before please do not insult my sport by saying that the sport is full of drugs. Guess what lots of sports are full of drugs. IF YOU CHEAT ON YOUR MEALS AND DONT EAT RIGHT, NO AMOUNT OF CLEN, DNP, T3 , WINSTROW , WILL GET YOUR BUTT INTO SHAPE!!!! DO YOU REALIZE THAT EVERY SINGLE GUY ON THAT STAGE IS PRETTY MUCH ON THE SAME STUFF, AND YOU CAN CLEARLY TELL WHO DID THEIR HOMEWORK AND WHO DID NOT!!!!
I talk to so many funny guys like you, where they think t3, clen and all that crap is what helps bodybuilders get into amazing shape. So they always down play them by saying oh i would look like that if i was on so much stuff. But guess what happens once they do??! they quickly realize that drugs were not magic people, they quickly realize how wrong they were. but you wanna know what their next excuse is?? their next excuse is " oh they must take a lot more then i do". They simple cant admit that those guys have amazing genetics and they know what they are doing nutrition wise. Reason they take clen, t3, and other stuff is not just to be in shape but to be 2-3 percent shredded!!!!!! They need to take that stuff to go above and beyond lean level. Getting cut for them is no problem. When they start out dieting for a show they look cut and big, but getting shredded with 2 percent body fat is whole different story. Naturally their body will not let them do that, so that's why they need chemicals to achieve that.
Lots of people can get lean but to stay big without losing lot of muscle requires a lot more knowledge about nutrition.
No amount of drugs without proper genetics and knowledge of nutrition will turn person into a pro. Other wise every single gym rat would be pro bodybuilder. So many of them take juice but they barely look like they workout. Wise is that? according to you guys juice is magic pill.
Oh and before usay that every bodybuilder is on juice, IM NATURAL AND THERE ARE ALOT OF NATURAL BODYBUILDING FEDERATIONS OUT THEIR AS WELL!!! EVERY SPORT HAS DUG ISSUES OR DONT YOU WATCH BASEBALL ANYMORE WITH ALL THOSE STEROIDS SCANDALS.
Its a damn shame when someone like you if had possibility to talk to pro bodybuilder (someone who lives and breaths the sport) you would discredit him by saying "oh he is on juice" what does he know. WOW!!!!
Losers and jealous people only say that steroids got them where they are at now. People say that when they wish it was them in their shoes. It usually comes from people who were not even good enough to win local - state show!!!! or to be even good enough to be on high school sports team. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2009 4:48:04 PM | So lets sum it up, shall we?
"There is study after study proving me right. But I refuse to post them."
"Yeah, well those studies don't prove anything, cause Chad Nichols agrees with me. And it's common knowledge that meal frequency increases metabolic rate. But I refuse to post any evidence."
"I refuse to discuss this anymore, cause you don't agree with my argument, that I refuse to support with evidence, save the assertion that fitness models and bodybuilders are awesome."
"You're stupid; my constant hunger is obvious proof that my metabolism is increased."
And the doozy: "Because you disagree with this, you must also think that diet is unimportant in regards to obtaining a lean muscular physique."
I actually feel that my IQ has dropped from reading your responses. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2009 4:58:28 PM | im not coming back to this thread again. if 3 of you have question then email me. I will be waiting for email with link regarding this topic from real bodybuilding board. I won state teen shows, local shows and state show as adult and next year doing nationals show, i am not going to fetch information for 3 of you just like NBA player would not run for rule book to prove me wrong. If you dont like what i say then go ask other nutritionists and bodybulders but dont tell me to fetch info for you.
3 of you can either post this topic and prove me wrong among my equals who are bodybuilders or 3 of you can continue patting each other on the back talking about how dumb of a bodybuilder I am and how you 3 know more then world class nutritionists. Im betting 3 of you will chose number two!
I just dont understand one thing. Forget about proving me wrong. If 3 of you are so know legible about fitness and 3 of you want to continue learning regarding fitness. Then wouldn't bodybuilding board be place to join?! so you can discuss fitness info with people who been doing it since they were kids. There are alot of people on those boards besides pro bodybuilders and nutritionists, there are doctors their, personal trainers their, some UFC fighters, there are little bit of everyone their.
Im not here to push my ways on anyone. Information i shared with you literally comes from nutritionists who do famous people diets and i have read that info even before i met and talked with them. I dont talk about anything unless 1. i heard it from credible sources, not one source but multiple sources 2. I experimented on my own body .
JUMBO 564 I DONT EVEN WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU PERIOD!!! YOU MAKE ME SICK WITH YOUR 4000 CALORIES IN 2 MEALS STATMENT!!!!!!! YOU ARE NOT WORTH MY TIME! | |
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Posted: 4/11/2009 5:01:22 PM | Im done arguing here. here is the link for chad nichols website where best of the best guys hang out and answer questions from guys like you
http://musclemayhem.com/forums/
please let me know what your screen name their so we can discuss this topic among people who do this for a living.
Time for you to put up or SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!! | |
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Posted: 4/11/2009 5:15:21 PM | I'm sorry that IQ has dropped by talking to me. Until now I have goten email after email from people thanking me with my help and that i seem like i know what im talking about. I guess I need to go back to fitness 101 to hang with experts such as yourself and 2 other yo yo's. After all you must have helped dozens after dozens of people to lose weight and gain lean muscle at the same time.
BY THE WAY DID U SING UP TO CHAD NICHOLS WEBSITE YET? IM WAITING TO DISCUSS THIS WITH YOU WITH OTHERS. LET ME KNOW YOUR SCREEN NAME. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2009 5:25:37 PM |
Time for you to put up or SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!
I already posted studies. Now its your turn.
I won't hold my breath. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2009 5:26:24 PM | catjandbj- you keep saying that i refuse to post prove and i keep telling you that i will not go fetch information for you simply because you asked for it. WHAT PART OF YOU ARE NOT IN MY LEAUGE DONT YOU UNDERSTAND? YOU ARE NOT IN MY CLASS BODYBUILDING WISE AND YOU ARE NOT IN MY CLASS NUTRITION KNOWLEDGE WISE!!!!! I am not going to go fetch information for every single moron who is going to doubt me. Just like NBA player will not go fetch information for me just because i said he does not know what he is talking about.
Like i said thats why and rest of others who fallow simple bodybuilding rules look like the way they do and thats why you look like the way you do. Getting big and lean at the same time requirres a lot more knowledge then someone eating 2 wise a day just to stay skinny with minimal muscle.
Still waiting for you to sign up to chad nichols site and im still waiting for your sample of your daily diet. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2009 5:28:46 PM | DO you want me to post that SMOKING DOES NOT CAUSE CANCER STUDY???!!!!!! YOUR STUDY MEANS NOTHING TO ME. I KNOW HAVE READ DOZENS OF STUDIES THAT SAID OTHER WISE. AND BIGGEST PROVE THAT I HAVE IS FROM MY OWN BODY AND COUNTLES OTHERS ON TOP OF THAT WORLD CLASS NUTRITIONISTS AND ATHLETES.
SO LIKE I SAID "PUT UP OR SHUT UP"
YOU HAVE NO BALLS PERIOD MY FRIEND! YOU SCARED TO GET YOUR AZZ HANDED TO YOU IN REAL BODYBUILDING BOARD. CHICKEN SH#T!!!!! | |
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Posted: 4/11/2009 5:30:55 PM | And something else for your reading pleasure:
J Neuroendocrinol. 2007 Feb;19(2):127-37.
Circadian clocks: setting time by food.
Mendoza J.
Institut des Neurosciences Cellulaires et Intégratives, Département de Neurobiologie des Rythmes UMR7168, CNRS et Université Louis Pasteur, Strasbourg, France. jmendoza@neurochem.u-strasbg.fr
In mammals, daily rhythms in behaviour and physiology are driven by a circadian timing system comprised, in a hierarchical way, of a master pacemaker in the suprachiasmatic nuclei (SCN) of the hypothalamus and of peripheral oscillators in most body cells. At the molecular level, in both the SCN and peripheral oscillators, the circadian clock mechanism is built from interconnected feedback loops in gene expression that operate in a cell-autonomous and self-sustained fashion. The SCN clock is mainly entrained by light/dark cycles. By contrast, peripheral oscillators can be strongly affected by daily feeding cycles, which have little effect on the phase of the SCN. However, when feeding schedules are coupled with a caloric restriction, behavioural and physiological circadian rhythms and gene expression in the SCN are shifted and/or entrained to meal-time. Moreover, the reward and motivational value of food can also be a potent synchroniser for the SCN clock. This suggests that energy metabolism and motivational properties of food can influence the clock mechanism of the SCN. Food-related cues may entrain clock genes of the SCN with a direct effect, or be mediated indirectly by another neural or peripheral site. In addition, there may be one or more oscillator sites that would play an integral role as a food-entrained oscillator (FEO), responsible for anticipation of meal-time. The site housing, or the network underlying, this putative FEO is still unknown. The aim of this review is to summarise our current knowledge of the central and peripheral circadian clocks and how they can be entrained by feeding at the physiological and molecular levels | |
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Posted: 4/11/2009 5:37:01 PM |
Still waiting for you to sign up to chad nichols site and im still waiting for your sample of your daily diet.
I promise I'll send them after you post them studies, Chief. | |
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