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Posted: 4/11/2009 5:48:52 PM | For those who actually reading this thread because they want to learn something. Here is what 6 meals a day do for me.
Eeating 6 --8 meals a day helps me
1. with not cheating since i always have something in my stomach , my blood sugar levels do not drop and i dont crave junk food. One of 7 meals that i have in aday is right after workout which is protein shake with carbs. Since we lose vitamins, minirals and our muscle fibers break down from hard workout , our body needs to replanish itself asap! Since protein powder digest rapidly its idieal to have it right after workout (thats one of 7 meals that one has , so if you ate 3 meals a day plus shake right after workout thats 4 meals not 3).
2. I can get enough protein carbs and fats for recovery and for next days workout. ON like that JOKE OF POST THAT JUMBO 564 POSTED. THERE IS no way one would get same results from eating 2 meals compared to 6 or more. i eat about 350- 400 protein a day so 55 to 60 grams of protein per meal for 7meals or so . I could never eat 4000 of clean calories in just 2 meals so 7 or so meals is perfect for me.
3. Keeps me stronger in the gym and my muscles are fuller.
4. If i feel hungry then i have hand full of nuts or add little bit of calories to my meals. Remember we did not gain weight by eating clean food we gained weight by having junk food. so dont be scared to eat extra clean fo0d.
5. For that girl who said that she ate 1200 calories in a day. I hope that you did not start your diet with 1200 calories aday. You have to slowly lower your calories so your body can get used to it and adjust. i start out eating 5000 calories day and every two weeks i go down by 200-300 calories. one should never ever automaticly start with lowest amount of calories as possible. It will shock your body and in result you will be weak, cranky, and drop muscle. if your were eating 1700 calories before your diet then you would be droping weight for couple of weeks if you went down to 1600 calories then after your body adopts then you go down little bit again but if you simply go down to 1200 then what are you going to do once your body adopts? you can only drop your calories so low. if you working out and doing cardio and burning off about 700 calories from workout and cardio that means it leaves you with 500 calories for your body to function on. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2009 5:53:18 PM | catjandbj- buddy you are not even in my league. im done with you! lol icant believe i was even arguing with someone like you. if it was in the gym i would just laugh and walk away from someone like you. Sad thing is that next year while my dumb butt gained 5 extra pounds of muscles and while im dieting and losing bodyfat on weekly basis for my contest YOU STILL WILL LOOK THE SAME WITH NO PROGRESS WHAT SO EVER RUNNING YOUR BIG DUMB MOUTH WITH NOTHING TO SHOW BUT YOUR STUDY!!!!!!!!!
Sad truth is that in person people eat up information from me and guys like me and then come back few months later thanking us for sharing something with them that anywhere else they would have to pay for that information. I DOUBT ANYTHING LIKE THAT HAPPENS TO YOU.
Forget about having big muscles. where are your pictures even being in shape with at least 4 pack. I realize that not everyone has genetics to grow big muscles, but everyone (BESIDES SOMEONE WITH MEDICAL ISSUES) CAN BE IN DECENT SHAPE REGARDLES OF GENETICS. WITH SUCH GREAT NUTRITION INFORMATION THAT YOU CLAIM YOU HAVE THEN YOU SHOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM LOSING WEIGHT AND BEING IN GOOOD SHAPE AND IF YOU DOING IT CORRECTLY THEN YOU SHOULD BE THEIR IN 12 -15 WEEKS UNLIKE IN YOUR CASE 10 YEARS LATER AND STILL THE SAME.
THATS HOW YOU KNOW BULLS#TER FROM SOMEONE WHO IS FOR REAL. GUY WHO IS FULL OF SMOKE YEAR LATER WILL STILL BE THE SAME WHILE SOMEONE LIKE ME WILL HAVE AMAZING TRANSFORMATION IN MATTER OF WEEKS. AND ITS MOSTLY ALL DO TO BECAUSE I KNEW WHAT I WAS DOING AND YOU DID NOT!!!!!!
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Posted: 4/11/2009 6:06:16 PM | | This whole thread is out of hand now. I will be bigger man and say no more. I apologize for personal attacks. Things got out of hand. Im moving on to the next topic. NO hard feelings! | |
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Posted: 4/11/2009 6:47:22 PM | Ironman,
Ever hear the phrase, "You can lead a horse to water..."?
How many times do people have to post that we take issue with your assertion that frequent meals changes metabolism? That's the issue. Your diatribes nonwithstanding, you still refuse to address THAT SPECIFIC ISSUE WITH PEER REVIEWED SCIENTIFIC STUDIES!!
I never said consuming 4000 calories in 2 meals is the same as consuming 4000 calories in 5 or 6 meals. Get it? What I said is that one's metabolism doesn't change regardless if they consume 4000 calories in 2 meals or 6 meals.
In all seriousness, you should stick to your promise not to post anymore in this thread. A person who finds himself in a hole should not keep digging. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2009 7:26:22 PM | Geezus!
I have to come up for air from reading a portion of this! I'm just curious and just asking since I read this before a few times from different places, that muscle burns fat. I dont want to be the next Olympian...I'm just looking to firm up a few things. I'm learning as I go and dont want to get too deep into it. I just want to pick up a few bits of info as I go along depending on my "journey" so to speak.
I'm also Vegetarian. I'll do fish and dairy but no eggs. I'm slowly moving towards Vegan. It just works for me. Due to certain health issues, Vegan/Raw is working for me.
I'll just post this question for this specific answer please and if anyone has any info on Veggie Muscle Fitness, I'd greatly appreciate it.
Does Muscle Burn Fat?
Thanks to all that read this.  | |
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Posted: 4/11/2009 9:32:21 PM | *I don't eat processed foods! I eat stuff like cottage cheese. It's not processed. It comes right outta the cow that way, I'm sure of it. The hard part is getting the cow to squat over that little plastic cc tub, but it's worth it, to be natural like me*
That is why you look like****y?...u are not looking very attractive!!!! | |
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Posted: 4/11/2009 9:38:54 PM | I just honestly wonder if the whole population has become retarded, or just ignorant. the POINT is not that eating 4000 calories is 2 meals vs 6 is "the same". Like ive said a couple pages back that not 1 person has refuted yet, is that eating protein more often helps keep the amount of amino acids in your system strong, which prevents your body from dissolving muscle tissue to get them, which improves metabolism.
Of course there's no difference in eating calories in 2 meals vs 6 other than stupidity. The point is your body doesnt store amino acids in the same way that it store carbohydrates. This leads weightlifters to eat every 3 hours to keep their levels of amino acids high and not having their body dissolving muscle tissue because they have been starved which decreases your metabolism.
let me break this down:
More muscle mass improves BMR
Muscles are dissolved by your body when there are no amino acids present in the system
amino acids last approximently 3 hours inside the human body
muscle tissue uses calories even at rest, increasing your metabolism.
And before i see another ignorant asking me to cite my sources:
Burn the fat - Feed the muscle - tom venuto
Various books by Chris acceto
How about people cite their sources against 1st rather than demanding other post their's for; it's innocent until proven guilty on this contenant. | |
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Posted: 4/12/2009 2:39:14 AM | Wow, how did we get to this point I have no idea but eating 4000cals in 2 meals is not same as eating it 6 servings. Why? Because your body only process 20-30 grams of protein in one sitting rest will have to stored as fat. Now the normal protein intake is 2g/kg lean body weight. So for a 200 lbs person that is roughly 200g of protein. Best way to get that required protein is to divide it up to smaller portions based on the bodies process requirements. Everyone with me so far?
With respect to athletic needs, the work of Lemon, Tarnopolsky and colleagues has given some indication that athletes do require more protein (Lemon et al 1981, Tarnopolsky et al 1988, Tarmonpolsky et al 1992, Lemon et al 1997). This classic research indicates that during intensive training, strength and endurance athletes may need somewhere between 1.4 - 2.0 g of protein per kg of body mass to maintain nitrogen balance.
The human body, while able to handle 20-30 grams of protein in one intake, cannot tolerate that on an hourly basis. Too much protein fills the blood with too many amino acids. These excess amino acids are converted into carbon dioxide, water, and ammonia. This ammonia is toxic to the body and is a primary cause of premature fatigue. While the body is equipped to handle excess ammonia by converting it to urea then filtering it through the kidneys, too much puts a burden on the kidneys.
Hence people with high protein intake are recommended to drink a lot of water. I have the links to those studies if you need it too.  | |
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Posted: 4/12/2009 2:45:55 AM | Oh and ironman one thing I want to point out, while your aspirations are winning a pro card, others might be different. I compete in Strongmen and I am not required to have a stage ready physique. All I need to do is to cut down to my weight class and I do it by manipulating my diet, no cardio. I do have the dedication. I am required to move/lift heavy sh*t. Like you, I pay my dues in a different way. I am at the gym day in, day out. So when you attack someones dedication, please be considerate.  | |
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Posted: 4/12/2009 4:59:04 AM |
Because your body only process 20-30 grams of protein in one sitting rest will have to stored as fat.
This is another "stupid health myth" that just won't die.
Please find any research that supports this claim. It just ain't there. | |
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Posted: 4/12/2009 8:21:14 AM | From Mr Venuto himself:
Thirty grams of protein per meal seems to have become one of those "nutrition rules of thumb" that has been passed around so long that it has become accepted as an "unbreakable nutrition law." Some people claim that the human body can only digest 30 grams of protein per sitting (others claim the limit is 40 grams).
There has been a lot of research done on protein needs, although not much of it has focused specifically on the maximum amount digestible per meal. There have been studies where a large bolus of protein was eaten at one time rather than in small, frequent meals, and yet positive nitrogen balance was achieved. This would suggest that the 30 grams per meal limit does not exist and that 60 grams over three meals would allow your body to utilize the majority of that 180 grams. | |
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Posted: 4/12/2009 12:49:33 PM | We actually don't need as much protein as people think. People worry too much about protein in our culture and as a result we consume too much meat.
Try a book called No More Bull written by a cattle rancher who turned into a vegan over some time. He breaks down the myths pretty well.
He makes the case that we really only need 10% of our diet to be protein which can be had easily from non-meat sources.
Also the other thing that no-one talk about is how carbs and protein mix in our body and are digested. people should think more about how foods combine in their bodies. Milk and meat together is a terrible mix. | |
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Posted: 4/12/2009 4:59:21 PM | I almost jumped on the myth 2 as the second post, glad i did not but now i can just say who i agree with wich is Ironman and a few others.
Already said is the number one post wich is nobody is built the same. I use to work out a lot ,3 hours at 4 times a day minimum and had way more muscle. At that time i can say if i only ate the so called 3 sqaures a day i would have never been able to do the workouts. If i went to the gym without a good sandwich first i would tire so quik and be distracted buy my stomach burning for food. | |
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Posted: 4/13/2009 7:17:39 AM | I’m done talking about myth # 2.
For the person who said that they are not trying to be bodybuilder/Olympian. That’s fine but the only difference between me and regular person in the gym is I eat a lot more to gain more size same would go for power lifter. Just because someone is not trying to be like bodybuilder or power lifter does not mean they still don’t need to eat enough during the day for recovery and energy. So if I ate 3 chicken breast with cup and half of brown rice, regular girl would eat one chicken breast with half cup of brown rice or cup of veggies. Same thing just less food.
Same goes for training. Person can use my training routine to be in shape without getting big all they would have to do is use lighter weight.
Body can process more then 30 grams of protein per meal. It all depends how muscle you have and how much nutrition your body needs to maintain your weight. While I would get fat eating 80 grams of protein per meal that’s what some of pro-power lifters and bodybuilders need to eat just to maintain their muscle size at low body fat.
30 grams of protein per meal myth was actually invented by some supplement companies. When they would come out with 30 gram protein bar they would do their own bogus research by saying human body cant process more then 30 grams of protein per meal so that way person will buy their 30 gram protein bar instead of 20grams or 40grams.
It’s all about progress. I don’t think anyone starts out eating 50-70 grams of protein plus carbs per meal without getting fat. Every person builds up their body slowly to reach that point depending on their goals.
Every few months I stop and make sure to check if im making progress. If I did not make progress in the past 3-4 months then I ask myself. Do I need to change my diet, do I need to look into my training, am I getting enough rest, have I been eating clean for 90 percent of the time. I stay honest with myself. Too many people fail to do that. If its been more then 6 months and you have not made any progress or very minimal progress then its time to stop and try something new. Most of all stay consistent with new routine, sometimes it takes 3-4 weeks for our body to adjust.
Since I was 14 years old. I have tried eating 3 times a day and i have tried eating up to 10-11 meals a day(waking up in midle of night for protien shakes). I have tried high volume training and I have tried low volume training. I tried working out 4 times a week and 6 times a week. I tried high carbs as much as 800 grams a day to low carbs as low as 50-0 a day. same goes for protein.
Point being, I talk and listen to people in the sport. What worked for one bodybuilder might not work for another bodybuilder. one thing that was in common with them was (Basics) such as eating enough protein or going to the gym 5 times a week. Basics always stay the same.
If i was normal guy/girl who just wanted to be in shape with defined muscles and I was looking at bodybuilders program. The only thing i would have to change is the amount of food I would eat and how heavy i would train. That’s the only difference between power lifters, bodybuilders and average fitness person . What you can also do is talk to the people in the gym that you look up to and see what they all have in common when it comes to training and eating. | |
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Posted: 4/13/2009 4:47:33 PM | The not eating 4-6 smaller meals per day thing may be right if you're not exercising, or exercising much, however I couldn't do it since I burn off, just from exercise, like anywhere between 1400-1700 calories per day exercising right now. I'd end-up stuffing my face by lunch-time. I'm totalling something like 4k calories per day (that's like from the calories you burn exercising, sleeping, sitting, etc) and only taking in about 1500 tops. It's a low in-take, but it's sufficient enough until I reach my goal.
The body needs fuel, especially if you're doing lots of jogging and other cardio exercise. Heck, even weight training you need to stack the protein up so it goes to the muscles.
Up until recently I was being stupid and not eating until dinner all day and still working out a good 2 hrs (total) cardio and not losing a damn pound. Why? Because my body was in starvation mode and it wasn't letting go of the fat. I was also consuming lots of sugar in my coffee.
Once I started eating tiny meals during the day the weights been coming off very nicely. Not huge meals, I still keep it under like 1500 calories per day. Spread out enough so the metabolism doesn't shut back down on me again. That was my problem - well that and the amount of sugar I was using in my coffee too (switched to artificial sweetener and everything's been great) I even feel better without all that sugar in me.
No I'm not giving-up my coffee though!! NEVER!
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Posted: 4/14/2009 4:51:41 AM | MikeM1968 -- ^ Right on!!! Too many people fail to realize that they gained fat by eating crap food not clean food. They don’t realize that they need to eat enough to kick start metabolism other wise their body will hold on to fat and burn muscle instead because their body is not getting enough nutrition for recovery. Also too many people don’t stay consistent enough. They give up 3-6 weeks later not realizing that it takes around 3-4 weeks for our body to start making small changes. too many people cheat almost on daily basis when switch over to 5-6 small meals a day and when they end up gaining weight they think they gained weight because of small meals not realizing that it was the extra junk food that made them gain weight.
Sometime some people freak out that even though when they look in the mirror they look slimmer but on scale they gained pound or two not realizing that they burned off fat and gained pound or two of muscle.
Biggest mistake some people make is when starting diet instead of gradually lowering calories they go from eating 2100 to 1200 in one week. That’s where being cranky comes from, being tired comes from and losing strength comes from. They workout two hours a day and yet only eat 1100-1200, big no no! | |
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Posted: 4/14/2009 9:39:12 AM | Mike i have found over the years if i don't let myself have the few things such as coffee i love then i will fall off a clean eating regime much easier. I usually use sunday as a off day and have something that is off the list like a few donuts or pizza. Usually i feel like crap afterword and that holds me off for a week or two again.
The biggest myths to worry about if you want to eat right or lose weight are the GARBAGE that the producers spew such as "vitamin water" | |
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Posted: 4/15/2009 9:38:23 PM | Shane, the author has a measly M.Sc. I have a PhD and 2 masters. I say hes full of crap.
What are his credentials?
Personally I think hes a tool, making a name for himself by debunking.
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1/5 score on this post.
It would take hours to argue his inane points. I have taught physiology for over 25 years.
This Shane dude is a con man. Ignore him.
Sorry OP, your intentions are good and I enjoyed the post. This is not directed at you. Its directed at the cretin who wrote this stupid article. | |
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Posted: 4/15/2009 9:53:37 PM | The reason there are so many health myths is because its nearly impossible to do a truely objective experiment. Obviously genetics is going to be the overwhelming variable by far. Maybe you could control for genetics by using 2000 sets of identical twins..That is not only unreasonable to collect a sample of 2000 twins, but you would also have to control to get physical activity equal. If 1 twin drives to work and another walks around NYC 2 miles a day, if your only controlling for activity in the gym then your ignoring huge variables.
Ultimately, you have to be a mad scientist on your own body/genetics because no one else really can do it for you..anything beyond that may or may not have basis in reality. | |
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Posted: 4/20/2009 11:15:08 AM | | Restrict your calories True. Small meals, poss helpful., depending on eating style.However you do it calories in and out would normally be the basis of any diet. Some drugs or thyroid conditions can make it harder. | |
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Posted: 4/21/2009 8:50:29 AM | | Its really simple to lose weight and that is just burn off more calories than you put in. Also think of food as fuel. You need to fuel your body before and after exercise, be it lifting weights or running. I eat 4 or 5 meals a day and have been the same weight for the past 2 years. I don;t always eat right but the bad foods I do eat are in moderation. Sometimes your body needs those simple pleasures to keep eating right. As a runner I eat alot of carbs throught out my day to help fuel my runs for later in the day after work. I also take in protein usually after a work out or run to help rebuild my muscles. I couldn't imagine going through out the day with only eating 3 meals but that is only because my metabolism is higher and I need more fuel for my system to keep it going. But if you live a seditary life then yes 3 meals will work for you but if you live an active life where you exercise 7 days a week then your body needs fuel. If it doesn't get that fuel then it can lead to burnout or injury. | |
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Posted: 4/21/2009 9:09:20 AM | | I guess the point I was making is that even though I am not this big bodybuilder with huge muscles I still eat 4 or 5 meals a day to fuel my body and take extra protien to supplement my protein intake as my eating habits are not the best. Also I hate counting calories. | |
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Posted: 4/21/2009 9:52:29 AM | Use common sense,...something that gets lost when you're susceptible to other influences because of your ignorance...Ignorance, meaning lack of knowledge.
God made us all different, what works for you, mite not work for me.
Thirty years ago I was an International Bodybuilding Champ, what work for me then, as in diet, wouldn't work for me today. That's what keeps it interesting.
If there's one thing I've learned over all these years. Be good to yourself.
There's nothing more "healthy" than a positive attitude, a smile, and being friendly. These traits will not only make you feel better, but attracts people faster than a buff body.
Peace out, Kent | |
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Posted: 4/28/2009 11:09:06 AM | yikes.
so this guy is saying not to eat 4-6 meals a day and not to restrict your calories??
you dont want to restrict your calories because you dont want to go into starvation mode so you should eat as much as you want all day long instead of eating 4-6 calorie consistant meals a day..
"dont ever diet" LOL
makes a lot of sense
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