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Posted: 4/8/2009 6:02:29 PM |
Incest includes any blood members of a family including second and third cousins. I have not bothered to look up the statistics, but it would be difficult to imagine the perils of inbreeding between fairly distant cousins would be much higher than those between random matches.
I haven't looked up the laws of every state, but I doubt many prohibit marriages between 2nd and 3rd cousins.
Perhaps the poster is a tad confused. No where did I write that statement didn't make sense to me.
My apologies then. I thought you were playing devils' advocate, and didn't really believe that polyamorous and incestous marriages should be allowed. Since you don't see any problems with such marriages I will explain the differences which make them qualitatively different from gay and traditional hetero marriage
Incest - in close relations, it should (and usually is) forbidden due to the higher probability of genetic issues. WRT where there is little to no such danger, it should be (and usually is) allowed. That's why Rudy Giuliani was able to marry his cousin.
polyamory - multiple spouses present difficult and complex legal issues surrounding the disposition and control of property and the custody and care of children, if any. | |
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Posted: 4/8/2009 6:54:01 PM | Ah yes, I remember back more than 8 years ago when living in Vermont (for 40 yrs BTW) and this occurred:
"Vermont Gov. Howard Dean signed the most sweeping same-sex partnership law in the United States, effective July 1, 2000. He called it a "courageous and powerful statement" about his state."
Some people even started calling it "The Queen Mountain State" (vs. Green Mountain State)!
We Vermonters were not surprised in the least when it was signed into law this week. We simply wondered "What took so long?" XV | |
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Posted: 4/9/2009 6:14:41 AM |
When gay marriages results in inbreeding,
Not to be stupid but...............??
Last time I looked if you put two men on an island and left them alone for any length of time.......children will not happen.Same for two women on that same island[but pay per view would make a fortune]...no kids.If you can't "breed" to begin with.....how do you get "inbreeding"? | |
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Posted: 4/9/2009 1:32:51 PM | boxer,
It was an exercise in Sarcasm. LMFAO.
Mmaulueg,
Were you in the Service? Have you ever taken an oath to uphold the Consitution? Have you ever actually read any of it let alone the 14th Ammendment? Have you ever researched what actually might make sarcasm persuasive? LOL.
As to the "will of the people": In the end does that matter? We have plenty of instances in this country where the rights of the individual trump those of the majority. That's why Ammendment 2 was thrown out here in Colorado long ago. Even so given the actions of Mr. Jeffords I'd be very suprised if any Vermont Legislator would try and circumvent the will of the majority of their constituents.
As to polygamy: I'd be OK with it as long as there were a minimum age requirement and as long as anyone engaged in the pursuit of such a union is made fully aware they don't have to live by the "laws" of an isolated compound they may never have strayed very far from if at all. Maybe everyone should have to see a video demonstrating all the civilized options to the union they plan on undertaking? Polygamy has a poor historical record with excessive numbers of unwilling, underage brides. I don't think the real substance of the homosexual community is going to come out and demand the right to marry children. NAMBLA is of course something that's only purpose is fermenting irrational and utterly unsubstanitated fear.
We have no freedom if it is selectively applied. I anticipate the dominoes to start falling big time. | |
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Posted: 4/9/2009 2:38:39 PM | Regarding message 30
I was throwing in some sarcasm, as I had pointed out. Its funny to see that many people whom fight and support for gay marriage also view people who are into incest or polygamy as sickos. That's a total double standard. They become the very hypocrites they claim to battle.
I'm happy that sarcasm can be persuasive. It gets people to think.
I was in the Army Reserve for 6 years as a Black hawk helicopter mechanic and did take a oath to uphold the Constitution when I joined.
So doublecabin, it sounds like you have read the Constitution. Thats great! So do you pay income taxes each year?
You do understand that by filling a w-2 that you are volunteering to give up your 5th amendment rights.
Do you agree with that? | |
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Posted: 4/9/2009 4:08:41 PM |
Its funny to see that many people whom fight and support for gay marriage also view people who are into incest or polygamy as sickos. That's a total double standard. They become the very hypocrites they claim to battle.
You are comparing apples with oranges.
Supporting two unrelated, consenting adults in their desire to marry is a far cry from supporting polygamy and incest.
I continue to be amazed at those people who bring incest and polygamy into a discussion of same-sex marriage, as the issues are totally different.
Seriously, how does one compare incest with same-sex marriage? | |
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Posted: 4/9/2009 4:14:35 PM |
It was an exercise in Sarcasm. LMFAO.
Ok I guess........just not a good one.
Seriously, how does one compare incest with same-sex marriage?
Surely some families in[fill in the blank,VI,AR,WV,you see the trend]might disagree.Brotherly and Sisterly love surely will be making use of these laws as well!! | |
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Posted: 4/9/2009 10:50:22 PM | | I don't know, but don't think that gay marriage is legal where I live: Austria. It is a government that is very much influenced by the Catholic church, so probably it's not legal. However, gay relationships and gay rights are more accepted here than in the States, possibly because of the influence of the EU. In any case, many gay relationships, living together relationships, last longer than many heterosexual marriages. Where I work, there are 3 people that I know of for certain who are in long term, living together relationships with a gay partner. These people have been living with the SO for years and years. It makes no sense to deny them the same rights as heterosexual couples. No sense at all. Their unions are as valid, based on their level of committment and love, as any heterosexual union. | |
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