| Before there was Formula...there was Milk!
Posted: 4/14/2009 2:07:29 PM | | Used to be that 99% of the time it was possible to receive good medical care in hosptials. Today you might just pick up flesh eating disease or any of many other infections during your stay. | |
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| Before there was Formula...there was Milk!
Posted: 4/14/2009 9:31:16 PM |
Edit: can someone message me about why my effort to bold didn't work. smiles
Instead of typing the entire word "bold" inside the brackets, use only the letter "b." | |
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| Before there was Formula...there was Milk!
Posted: 4/14/2009 10:57:30 PM | I count myself lucky as one of the last of the generations who played in streets and actually knows how to play tug of war or hide and seek.
This new generation coming up... They're raising a generation of pansies and weaklings.
Kids who are overprotected and coddled.
There will be a price for that one day.
Yes, Monsanto is an evil empire. I do not buy anything from them (nor from most food factories). | |
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| Before there was Formula...there was Milk!
Posted: 4/15/2009 9:22:16 PM | | oh the good old days! My brother and I would ride our bikes into town , it was at least a 3 mile round trip just for some blow pops! do they still make those? Now it isn't safe to let your kids out in the yard alone muchless letting them ride around on country roads where someone could snatch them. We played outside and made up our own games with our imagination ,now you can't get a kid outside unless you dangle their gameboy or whatever is popular these days in front of their noses! Koolaid with real sugar! well, everything had real sugar! Getting spankings from our parents when we deserved them, now you could get sent off to prison if you try to teach your child how to behave. Those spankings taught us what not to do and we learned not to break the rules because consequenses would follow. We had no rights as children but the kids today rule the parents, I see it everywhere and it makes me sick. My mother fed us rice cereal at 2 weeks and we slept through the night, I also did this with my kids, it didnt hurt them. My pediatrician recommended waiting a year to feed my babys anything but formula! We also didnt go to the doctor and get antibiotics everytime we coughed or scraped our knees. A little bactine did the trick! | |
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| Before there was Formula...there was Milk!
Posted: 4/15/2009 10:34:40 PM | Koolaid with real sugar!....yes! And wasn't it fun to stick your wet finger in a pack, and eat it that way till it was gone!
"My mother fed us rice cereal at 2 weeks and we slept through the night"
Same here...and I fed that to my kids also. They are fine fine fine! | |
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| Before there was Formula...there was Milk!
Posted: 4/16/2009 7:49:45 AM |
Study the subject and pasturization is the reason cows milk causes lactos issues.
Please post the link to any scientic study that supports this idea...I cant find any.
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Here is some information it is not offred as proof of anything or disproof, but it is put out by the National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases.
http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/lactoseintolerance/ | |
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| Before there was Formula...there was Milk!
Posted: 4/16/2009 8:31:49 AM | Most talking about foods, meds so forth. I'll add with some of my own.
Grew up in the country. We use to bale the small square bales now everyone bales the Big rounds. Use to stack the hay by hand in the loft 100 degrees out underneath that tin roof. And there use to be crews of kids going around helping out.
Rode a 2 wheel bike then a Motorcycle and survived without a broken bone. Now all the rage is for 4 wheelers.
Helped paint the barns with Lead Based Paint. Always wondered why I would get those terrible headaches.
Use to milk the cow and carry the milk bucket up to grandma's house where she pasturized the Milk. Just hated all that cream on top especially in the springtime.
Going to the Doctor's Office the Visit cost $15- $ 20. He had a team of 3-4 other doctors in the office. He had 1 then later 2 Nurses doing the paperwork. Yet he was still one of the richest men in town. | |
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| Before there was Formula...there was Milk!
Posted: 4/16/2009 8:57:46 AM | "Please post the link to any scientic study that supports this idea...I cant find any."
Sorry but I didn't read this online but in the class room. | |
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| Before there was Formula...there was Milk!
Posted: 4/16/2009 1:39:20 PM | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^...........................
Evolution?
That would make for DNA changes. Immunizations aren't comprised of DNA altering material. All an immunization is.. is a minute case of a particular disease.. to strengthen ones "immune system" to better fight off a particular disease.. should any of us come in contact with that particular disease. It doesn't alter the DNA by completely stopping one from ever getting the disease the immunization is for. Those diseases still very much exist today and we all come into contact with most of them sooner or later.. and more often than we realize.
To say that an immunization.. a minute form of disease that is infectious/contageous.. is somehow the "cause" of altering the DNA strands.. and therefore.. causing a few different diseases and/or a few different afflictions.. would compromise alllll people that get immunized. Not just some.
Now.. to say that the diseases have mutated.. we'd all be vulnerable.. and therefore inflicted at some point in time with the new mutation/strain of the disease. New immunizations would have to be given us to help combat the mutated disease/s.
However.. if the second generation of people are coming into contact with.. possibly by ingestion.. some DNA altering materials/chemicals.. since the time immunizations began.. and therefore those materials/chemicals are the "cause" of our third generation DNA mutations.. and possibly the immunizations strengthen the mutated DNA strand.. and therefore strengthen these diseases and afflictions.. I could see how evolution may play a role. The "cause" would be whatever materials/chemicals.. we were ingesting.. and not actually the immunizations themselves though. We'd still just need better medical technological advancements. Not to thoroughly stop all immunizations from continuing.
So.. let's not get too carried away with something that has been proven to work.. such as immunizations. Since it's common knowledge that they do work.. I would like proof.. that they are the "cause" of these dieases and afflictions. Let's not allow the same old infectious/contageous diseases and afflictions become the plagues of the new millenium.. as has been the case in the past.. history does repeat itself.. and when people don't understand a disease or affliction.. fear sets in.. and.. well.. we know what happens then. People have a tendency to put an all out STOP.. on what they fear. Public outcries of blame.. without.. knowledge of the facts. Individuals are extremely smart.. but the public on a whole.. not so smart.
As I stated before.. as of last year.. tuberculosis is on a comeback.. once again.. in the US.
Here are some known facts about TB;
"The incidence of tuberculosis of the lungs, **the *white plague* that formerly affected millions of people,** declined from the 1950s until 1984; sanatoriums were closed and routine screening was abandoned in the United States. Then, between 1984 and 1992, the incidence increased by 20%, chiefly because of immigration from countries where it is common and because of AIDS, which leaves people particularly vulnerable to the disease. Renewed efforts at control and advances in treatment have been rewarded with incidence declines each year, amounting to a total decline of 31% from 1992 to 1998.
Worldwide the outlook has been far less encouraging. In 1993 the World Health Organization declared TB a global health emergency. Approximately one third of the world's population is infected, and an estimated 1.6 million die each year. The vast majority of new cases occur in sub-Saharan Africa. Spread of TB is especially rapid in areas with poor public health services and crowded living conditions. In homeless shelters and prisons, crowded conditions and inadequate treatment often go together. Areas where living conditions are disrupted by wars, famine, and natural disasters also are heavily affected.
Especially alarming has been the spread of drug-resistant strains of TB. By the late 1990s scientific experts and international health officials warned that drug-resistant strains were spreading faster than had been anticipated. Bacteria can survive and become drug resistant in patients whose treatment is not properly monitored and seen to completion. Multidrug resistant TB strains are resistant to two or more of the commonly prescribed first-line drugs, while extreme drug resistant strains are also resistant to three or classes of the more toxic second-line drugs. Some believe that unless major new treatment strategies are initiated in source countries, drug-resistant TB will eventually become epidemic even in areas with good control programs, such as Europe and America."
I don't beleive there is one person that hasn't heard the term.. "consumption" aka TB.. and that is why immunizations are so very.. very important.JMO of course. | |
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| Before there was Formula...there was Milk!
Posted: 4/16/2009 1:52:29 PM | I never mentioned DNA must have missed who did.
Guess you haven't googled Cathine O"Driscole and read any of her articles. If you were hear Red you could read from my library on the subject.
The immune system doesn't almost (most of the time) recognize what has been injected, and it can mutate within the body and cause disease in later years, if not immediately.
If people want to comply with the drug companies and blindly take the vaccines they are welcome to do so. You could research the subject but that would require thinking outside the box and accepting that drug companies are a business that makes money not an organization desired to improve life. Short term bandaid solutions are their speciality. | |
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| Before there was Formula...there was Milk!
Posted: 4/16/2009 1:59:30 PM | I agree with you, Moraima about the "flesh-eating" bacteria.....
Now the bigger danger is "community-acquired MRSA"......makes one afraid to touch ANYTHING AND ANYONE..... | |
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| Before there was Formula...there was Milk!
Posted: 4/16/2009 2:28:16 PM | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^.................................
Moraima..
Message #24 stated evolution as a possibility. But.. any mom that's ever gone through the process of having a child immunized (I've had three of them myself).. knows that the disease that is being immunized against.. is minutely inoculated. That is the definition of an immunization. To strengthen the immune system against getting a much worse case of the disease itself.. by injecting a minute dosage of that disease. Therefore.. the child gets a very mild case of whatever disease was injected. That IS the course of immunization. Not a mutation thereof. That would mean that the disease itself (since a very mild case of the disease is what is being inoculated) would have to be mutated from it's original form or means of passage.. before.. the child gets inoculated.
I believe Dr. Jonas Salk would think very differently about immunizations being concocted for financial gain.. by drug companies. He worked many years in a research lab trying to develope the polio vaccine. The man is considered a hero.. and to those that suffer the mildest cases of polio since those immunizations.. will atest to that title. That's not just thinking outside the box.. that is the whole box.. and every single thing outside of it.
I agree that most hospitals have not perfected an antibacterially "safe" envioronment that completely eliminates the ability to acquire MRSA. The danger of "community-acquired MRSA.. is increasing.. and very disturbingly so. JMO | |
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| Before there was Formula...there was Milk!
Posted: 4/16/2009 2:39:45 PM | | Well after reading all the horror stories in this thread I miss the good ole days when a shot of penecillin would fix just about anything you could catch. | |
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| Before there was Formula...there was Milk!
Posted: 4/16/2009 2:50:44 PM | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^...........................
"Koolaid with real sugar!....yes! And wasn't it fun to stick your wet finger in a pack, and eat it that way till it was gone!"
I have just two words to add to that.. PIXIE STIX! Ummmm... !! | |
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| Before there was Formula...there was Milk!
Posted: 4/16/2009 3:38:41 PM | | Nice theory Red. Problem is that diseases mutate constantly and you can't vaccinate for what doesn't exist yet. The drug companies are always more than one mutation behind. | |
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| Before there was Formula...there was Milk!
Posted: 4/16/2009 4:18:02 PM | How about:
We recited the Pledge Of Allegiance in school and no one complained about violating their civil rights.
We rode in the ‘way back’ in our dad’s station wagon when a drive home was longer than a half hour.
We walked down to the playground (a ½ mile away), rode our bikes into town ( 2 miles away) and we weren’t abducted by child molesters.
We went to bed when it was still ‘light outside’ and did well in school.
We didn’t dare talk back to our parents, grandparents, neighbors or teachers. We respected our elders. | |
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| Before there was Formula...there was Milk!
Posted: 4/16/2009 4:39:08 PM | My grandmother had a red 64 Impala SS convertible in which she would zoom down the bumpy country roads with me,my brother and cousins sitting on the back trunk lid with our legs dangling over the back seat. Everyone we passed just smiled and waved. No one ever said a thing about it and really, it was a bit nuts. I guess they just talked about her behind her back but no one ever made an issue of it.
What do you suppose would happen today? | |
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| Before there was Formula...there was Milk!
Posted: 4/16/2009 8:24:45 PM |
We rode in the ‘way back’ in our dad’s station wagon when a drive home was longer than a half hour.
We road in the back of a 54 Chevy truck all the time...
And our dishwasher......was us kids! That's where we learned the term, "elbow grease"! | |
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| Before there was Formula...there was Milk!
Posted: 4/16/2009 9:08:00 PM |
We recited the Pledge Of Allegiance in school and no one complained about violating their civil rights.
Go back a few more years before that and the words "under God" weren't even in the Pledge. So the older generation could say look back at the good old days to when they weren't required to pledge allegiance to a supreme being to prove they were good citizens.
We walked down to the playground (a ½ mile away), rode our bikes into town ( 2 miles away) and we weren’t abducted by child molesters.
Lucky for you. I was not so lucky. Was actually abducted off the street (in a nice/wealthy community) as a teenager and lucky to be alive. The gold old days were not so good everywhere. | |
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| Before there was Formula...there was Milk!
Posted: 4/17/2009 5:05:55 PM | | Cynthia... I don't believe that the pledge is meant to prove that you are a good citizen as much as it is to affirm the ideals of a nation. If a nation as a whole aspires to an ideal, then that must be taught to it's children and they need to understand it is the stated goal of a citizen to support the ideal of "with liberty and justice for all". It may seem trite , but not teaching our children that we aspire to be indivisible will eventually be the demise of our country. Placing a reference to a supreme being in the pledge was admittedly done to respond to the majority of the populace but there is no malice in it. Atheists are not persecuted in this country or denied their rights in the courts. Why would a good citizen care if it is in there if it makes his neighbors feel better and there is a true concern for the nations indivisible nature? I think everyone enjoys Thanksgiving or if they don't they should tolerate it if all are truly expected to live together in peace. May God bless us all. | |
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| Before there was Formula...there was Milk!
Posted: 4/17/2009 6:41:06 PM | ringo, I'm not going to divert the thread to debate your idea of what the purpose of the Pledge is and whether non-believers are treated differently or not.
My post was on topic - the topic being if you go back into the past, some things were more wholesome or more 'real' than today. With the Pledge it depends what time period you choose as far as wholesome/accomplishing the purpose for which it was adopted. That's all I was pointing out. | |
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| Before there was Formula...there was Milk!
Posted: 4/17/2009 7:01:08 PM | | My post was on topic as well. Before there was apathy and misunderstanding of how to maintain a national identity, there was concern and action. | |
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| Before there was Formula...there was Milk!
Posted: 4/17/2009 7:35:00 PM | | Haven't heard any confirmation of diseases the vaccines cause, only speculation and inuendo. But I do have a friend who got polio in the 50's and just missed that vaccine. He wears leg braces. So many have short memories... | |
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| Before there was Formula...there was Milk!
Posted: 4/17/2009 8:50:55 PM | Short memories are endemic in the human population. And some have shorter memories than most.
I did look at Moraima's "expert" on vaccination, Caroline O'Driscoll. It turns out she was talking about RE-vaccination of pet DOGS for things like rabies or parvo. Yes, it sounds like revaccination may not be needed....for dogs. To suggest that humans forego vaccination against known deadly diseases on the possiblity that re-vaccination may not be necessary is not only specious but totally unproven. If you need a culprit for increasing incidences of autism and other disorders in the human population, there are far more likely candidates than pharmaceuticals, to wit : does ANYONE know what the synergistic effects are for the massive inclusion in our diets of Red Dye #5 (or whatever), or the cumulative effects of the countless preservatives and flavor enhancers that form a major portion of our (and our children's) diet? I submit that the list of possible culprits for the increase in the rate of Autism is much, much broader than vaccination programs. Especially given that such vaccinations have had a profound positive effect on the state of human health throughout the world.
Want to keep your children or grandchildren safe from the risk of Autism or many other ills? Watch what you feed them. Boil your water (overwhelming evidence now indicates that prescription drugs residues of every variety have now entered our munincipal water supplies). Too much trouble to read the ingredient labels on the food you and your children eat? Maybe it is, but don't whine when Junior or Janie contracts Autism.
My daughter was diagnosed with ADHD in the late seventies. The medicos wanted to put her on Ritalin to control her hyperactivity. I was deeply suspicious of that protocol because it frequenty led to "chemically lobotomized" children, and we chose instead to drastically alter the whole family's diet. We completely cut out processed foods with sugars, food colorings, artificial flavorings or preservatives. We successfully controlled her ADHD with hard work and careful shopping. Rather than take potshots at vaccination programs which are proven to drastically cut the incidence of infectious disease in the human population, look carefully at the chemical stew you are feeding your family. | |
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