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Posted: 4/17/2009 8:58:35 PM |
Short memories are endemic in the human population. And some have shorter memories than most.
I did look at Moraima's "expert" on vaccination, Caroline O'Driscoll. It turns out she was talking about RE-vaccination of pet DOGS for things like rabies or parvo. Yes, it sounds like revaccination may not be needed....for dogs. To suggest that humans forego vaccination against known deadly diseases on the possiblity that re-vaccination may not be necessary is not only specious but totally unproven. If you need a culprit for increasing incidences of autism and other disorders in the human population, there are far more likely candidates than pharmaceuticals, to wit : does ANYONE know what the synergistic effects are for the massive inclusion in our diets of Red Dye #5 (or whatever), or the cumulative effects of the countless preservatives and flavor enhancers that form a major portion of our (and our children's) diet? I submit that the list of possible culprits for the increase in the rate of Autism is much, much broader than vaccination programs. Especially given that such vaccinations have had a profound positive effect on the state of human health throughout the world.
Want to keep your children or grandchildren safe from the risk of Autism or many other ills? Watch what you feed them. Boil your water (overwhelming evidence now indicates that prescription drugs residues of every variety have now entered our munincipal water supplies). Too much trouble to read the ingredient labels on the food you and your children eat? Maybe it is, but don't whine when Junior or Janie contracts Autism.
My daughter was diagnosed with ADHD in the late seventies. The medicos wanted to put her on Ritalin to control her hyperactivity. I was deeply suspicious of that protocol because it frequenty led to "chemically lobotomized" children, and we chose instead to drastically alter the whole family's diet. We completely cut out processed foods with sugars, food colorings, artificial flavorings or preservatives. We successfully controlled her ADHD with hard work and careful shopping. Rather than take potshots at vaccination programs which are proven to drastically cut the incidence of infectious disease in the human population, look carefully at the chemical stew you are feeding your family.
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Posted: 4/17/2009 9:32:55 PM | Greetings:
Ah, the good ol' days. My son is occassionally beside himself at the thought that our first TV was B&W and maybe 19" across. Rabbit ears to boot. Would wonder if the world had come to an end if there was no computer(s) or gameboy. The thought of driving from Miami, FL to upstate NY in the middle of summer in a station-wagon (station wagon???!) without a/c, a gameboy, or an mp3 player might give the boy a stroke. 1500 miles without a break, once or twice a year, gives me the willies now!
Bicycling from our house in SW Miami out to the power plant cooling canal to the east to go fishing! Getting hit so hard by a car (my fault) on one of those expeditions that I was knocked out of at least one of my shoes (Son says it explains a lot). No helmets back then, son wears one now, so do I.
Dad making elderberry wine one fall.
Typing up flyers on an old manual typewriter to advertise a fledgling lawn care business in my early teens.
Coming face to face with my first, and only, diamondback rattler. Dad, while not convinced that was what I saw, says the snake was as scared as I was. I'm still not convinced. Just know that the palmetto field across the road was never as friendly a place again.
Tree-forts!
Getting sunburnt so bad I had blisters on my back - twice! Idiot.
Out the door after breakfast, back before dinner.
Shoplifting. Stole a pack of rubber bands from the corner market, still feel dirty.
No Worries. I wonder when that ended? First Love? Or sometime there after?
Then we grew up and stuff happened. things changed. Or I did.
CynthiaM, thanks for that reminder that even the good ol' days were not always so golden. Your posts evoke the image of a person made stronger by that trauma? I worry, not so much anymore, about son and that kind of situation happening. Googling the state DBs and I find we have (had) a molester down the street in a new neighborhood. gone are the days.
cell phones - a bane and a boon. Too many times I see parents yakking away on their cell and little timmy or tina is sitting there looking bored out the window. I want so much to get in their face and tell (yell at) them they are wasting the best chances to talk with their children by yakking with someone who isn't even there!
Cell phones! saved our bacon one time driving in the middle of nowhere when just showing we had one was deterent enough to get an a@@ to leave us alone on the highway.
My breadmaker! I can prep my Zojirushi at night and have fresh bread awaiting me in the AM. Almost had me convinced to buy their latest and greatest rice cooker so that I can have fresh grits waiting me for breakfast along with my warm bread (then I realized that grits need stirring to be perfect and that idea died a sudden death - my wallet sighed a bit of relief as well.)
My computers!
The Internet!
Digital Cameras. I fell in love again with photography with my first digital camera. The freedom and ease over what I use to have to do with my old Nikon FM. Nearly 7000 images on this computer and I think there might be a handful of me - never in front, always behind. Had to find a recent pic of me for a project and the only decent one was with me and my (big) boy. Talk about a task to even find that one!
TK, now in a reminiscing mood. chatty, too, eh? | |
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Posted: 4/17/2009 9:59:52 PM |
My breadmaker! I can prep my Zojirushi at night and have fresh bread awaiting me in the AM
Me too!! The breadmaker sits on the counter so it's always ready. In fact, as I write this I'm waiting for a loaf of potato bread to finish.  | |
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Posted: 4/18/2009 5:36:07 AM | I am not a big fan of lengthy posts, so I will try to be as brief as possible.
The introduction of vaccines was re polio in the 1950. Statistically, incidence of polio had already begun to decline due to better nutrition and hygienic practices. The fact that in sharpness of decline coincided with the introduction of the vaccine “may be” “co-incidence”.
Something else that happened at the same time was the introduction of chemical based fertilizers, pesticides and preservatives. In the beginning it seemed like a good idea, because we were able to produce a greater abundance of nutritional food. In the long term, we have learned that some of these chemicals collect in our body and over time become toxic to us. Now we are leaning back toward organic farming.
Babies were originally fed mothers milk, but in an effort to increase the healthiness of babies, we first started with carnation milk and eventually moved to formula. Then in the late 70’s and early 80’s we realized that our breast milk contained valuable antibodies that aided in the development of the immune system, so many of us went back to nursing our babies with breast milk. Of course you must consider that the mother’s diet has a significant impact on how effective this practice will be.
Monsantos was originally in the business of making chemical based pesticides, and when sales declined due to the trend away from chemicals, it moved into genetic alteration of crops; thus a partnership with the medical researchers, and drug companies.
I think most of us have some understanding that antibiotics become ineffective with over use, and that our immune system does not strengthen as it becomes reliant on the antibiotics, and that the viruses mutate to be resistant to said antibiotics.
Immunization works with the analogy that we are jump starting the immune system by giving us a small dose of a disease so that our system will develop the antibodies to fight off the disease early, should we ever come in contact with the disease. However, in order to make these immunizations we are combining animal tissues and toxins such as mercury. There is some evidence to “suggest” that the tissues (kidney tissue from members of the chip family, for one) carry disease that they maybe have built up immunity to, but are new and foreign to us. There is speculation that this type of contamination during the polio immunization is responsible for the introduction of HIV. And a later vaccine (I don’t remember the particulars) could be responsible for a specific type of cancer being introduced into the human populace.
Is there conclusive proof? No. But, to say that the lack of conclusive evidence, is evidence to the contrary, is not evidence at all, but just another possibility.
My own speculation that multiple generations of immunization may be partly responsible for the decline in the effectiveness of our immune system, and the increase in autoimmune disease, is simply my own overly analytical supposition. Questions that pop to mind after having watched documentaries, and read articles on evolution and micro biology. | |
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Posted: 4/18/2009 6:08:52 AM | Most of today's immunizations are performed with dead organisms, so individuals are not subjected to live organisms and given a low risk case of the actual disease. I've seen reference in previous posts to "flesh-eating bacteria", MRSA, and other life threatening organisms that are now part of the general conversation because they've been written up with such regularity in monthly magazines and daily newspapers. Another one that is extremely serious and is getting more and more general attention is Clostridium difficile.
None of these organisms are new - the "flesh eating bacteria" is Group A strep - the cause of ordinary strep throat, MRSA is ordinary Staphylococcus aureus that has become antibiotic resistant, Clostridium difficile is an intestinal organism that takes on destructive capabilities related to the patient's antibiotic treatment. The overuse of antibiotics is responsible in a large part for the appearance of these organisms...and the blame for this doesn't fall on the drug companies - it falls on the consumer who demands treatment from their physician and the physician who writes out an unnecessary prescription. I'm not saying that drug companies aren't out for their own benefit and that they don't exist to make a profit - of course they do - but we'd be in a real fix if they weren't working to develop new and better antibiotics (or vaccines) to combat infections.
And there are a host of auto-immune diseases that are naturally occurring and cannot be blamed on chemicals, vaccines, drug companies, etc....they just happen, and the unfortunate victim may become more vulnerable to outside pathogens as well as having his own body attack itself. Some medical procedures induce reduced immunity and are done by choice...chemotherapy deliberately reduces the body's ability to protect itself so that it can hopefully destroy the cancer that is doing the greater harm.
I guess I'm trying to say that you can't have it all. We have so many great medical advances available to us and yet everyone wants to have all of this at no risk and no cost. It just isn't possible. | |
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Posted: 4/18/2009 6:22:55 AM |
I only wish the average person had this knowledge, and was afraid to challenge big business.
I think you meant to say "wasn't"
M, google Kevin Trudeau. He is challenging big business. There is some logic into why we are all toxic here on the planet. Just look at how many trees are left to oxygenate the air. See how much fossil fuel is being extrapolated from the dungeons of the earth. Look at the one statistic of all human mother's milk containing airplane fuel. We should all be just detoxifying our bodies all the time. The problem is the alarm that the truth would cause. Look at how Mr. Moore's documentaries were received - and followed up on.
Humans easily go into denial. | |
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| Before there was Formula...there was Milk!
Posted: 4/18/2009 7:37:15 AM |
The introduction of vaccines was re polio in the 1950. Statistically, incidence of polio had already begun to decline due to better nutrition and hygienic practices. The fact that in sharpness of decline coincided with the introduction of the vaccine “may be” “co-incidence”.
It is only considered as a possible co-incidence by people who refuse to look at the facts. Polio was NOT declining just prior to the introduction of the vaccine in 1955. The incidence rate in the U.S. in 1942 was 4 out of 100,000 people. In Canada in that same year it was 6 of 100,000. In 1952 the U.S. rate was 37 in 100,00 and the Canadian rate was 56 out of 100,000. The number and severity of outbreaks was skyrocketing, not declining. There are several charts available on the WWW that show the historical tracking of Polio incidences world-wide and every one of them shows increasing rates until the late 1950s after the vaccine had been released and put into wide-spread use.
Babies were originally fed mothers milk, but in an effort to increase the healthiness of babies, we first started with carnation milk and eventually moved to formula.
This is questionable re-stating of history and cause/effect relationships. Nestle Corp. introduced baby formula to the world in 1867. Carnation Evaporated Milk didn't exist until 1907. The reason Evaporated milk became the standard from the 1920s into the 1950s was more due to economics than health concerns. You could buy 12 cans of evaporated milk for the cost of one can of formula and women were entering to workforce (especially during the two World Wars) so breast-feeding was often very inconvenient. When they reformulated baby formulas in the early 1960s to include vitamins and iron - things Evaporated milk didn't have - and people had more disposable income, formula took over as the de-facto standard. | |
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Posted: 4/18/2009 8:21:05 AM | Fair enough Jim. My information on the polio vaccine may be slightly skewed by insufficient research. As a layman, I am still skeptical that vaccines do more good than harm due to the foreign tissues and other catalyst used in them. I think at this point it is productive to have people of differing views be able to choose. In years to come we will have the ability to compare results.
As for baby formula, I did have no idea it had been around that long. Thank you for setting me straight. I do remember my mother saying her choice to feed me carnation evaporated milk was based on facts that; it was unfashionable to breast feed, I am lactose intolerant and could not keep cow’s milk down, and there is more fat in carnation milk - giving the impression of healthier babies. At the same time, I have to accept the fact that science has still not figured out (not to my knowledge) how to replace the antibodies in mother’s milk that are prevalent in the early post partum days. I nursed both my children and I cannot remember when my 25 year old son last visited the doctor. My 14 year old daughter has only ever seen our doctor twice since she was 18 months old and had her last immunization. It has been many years since I have sought medical attention with the exception of several visits to monitor the mending of a broken arm sustained in a car accident a year and a half ago. I refused the pain killers offered, because it is my understanding that pain is the body’s natural defense to aid in healing. You know the old saying “it hurts when I do this… so don’t do that”.
So, for me and my family a holistic approach seems to be working very well. I am not saying we don’t occasionally fall victim to a cold or flu virus, but a day or two of rest, plenty of fluids, and maybe a fresh homemade batch of chicken soup, seems to do the trick. | |
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Posted: 4/18/2009 10:23:03 AM | "I did look at Moraima's "expert" on vaccination, Caroline O'Driscoll. It turns out she was talking about RE-vaccination of pet DOGS for things like rabies or parvo. "
Too bad you didn't go further looking at C. O'Driscoll's work. She is a medical translator who has travelled the world educating about how vaccines work/don't work.
The canine info sites probably come up most on google because of the current corruption in the use of canine vaccines, and the class action lawsuits taking place in most countries.
Another thing we have today that we didn't is Bird Flu, with scientist and governments warning of future pandemics. Reading the research on this subject will also shead a lot of light on the vaccine issues. | |
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Posted: 4/18/2009 12:50:06 PM | Jim, Chops, and Red:
thanks for your input on the subject of vaccinations, after some of the lunacy attributed to vaccines I thought I would offer some more insight. I do this with the realization that I won't change many, if any, minds.
It's true that most of the vaccines we are familiar with originate from weakened or dead infectious material. Or, in the case of smallpox, the original was derived from cowpox, which elicits a minor sickness in the victim but confers protection from smallpox (see E Jenner for the history of his work). The problem with using a weakened strain of the infectious agent is that even in a weakened state the IA may still be potentially potent. I believe that is the problem with the HIV vaccine. the risk of an intact virus is too great to pursue at this time. Then why not use a dead or inactive IA? Well, the tools to render an IA harmless may also, can also, render the IA immunologically impotent. For the immune system to do its job it has to be able to recognize something immunologically significant on the IA that doesn't change from generation to generation of the IA. The problem with the HIV IA is that it mutates relatively fast. The last time I studied HIV there were already 3-4, maybe 6, variants of the pathogen. Lord knows what's out there now.
What we are working on now is to use parts of the infectious agent (say a portion of the cell wall of a bacterium or virus that have no activity of their own to stimulate an immune response from the victim. For a bacterium that might be the cell wall. Since the "machinery" for disease is in the internals of the bug and are not visible to the immune system, this makes sense. For viruses one can simulate or assemble an empty virus shell, for example.
But keep in mind that all these pathogens have a three diminsional structure, as does the immune system agents that mount the final defense/offense. If you alter the shape of the particle that triggers the immune response you may not, probably will not, get a response to the actual pathogen - be it bacteria or virus.
A third tidbit that is necessary to keep in mind is that there is a minimal size necessary to elicit a response. I believe this is why chemicals don't have an immunological response themselves and why Prions also do not elicit a response - just not big enough. Which brings up an interesting angels dancing on the head of a pin discussion: back when I was almost somebody there was a long waged argument whether Prions were "living" or not. [Sort of like is/was Pluto a planet or not? I said not a planet, but I am still up in the air about Prions.]
Now as to vaccines being dangerous. In the medical establishment vaccines are, as we all know, accepted as safe and necessary. but there are exceptions. One is that due to the way some vaccines are manufactured, using eggs, some folk with egg allergies, an immune response in itself, can have moderate to severe responses. Then there is the use of Thimerisol (mercury compound) use in teh preservation of vaccines. While generally accepted as innocuous (sub-clinical dose) the use of Thimerisol is being curtailled and eliminated as much as possible for most vaccines.
the last great problem I remember with vaccines was associated with the Swine Flu epidemic (?) back in the 70's in which a measurable number of folk developed Guillain Barre symptoms following immunization (I remember because a fella my oldest sister was sweet on came down with GBS (Guillain-Barre Syndrome) back around 74-75 or so.) Now with standing that swine flu was overblown, the risks of contracting GBS were worth it.
Lets say the incidence of contracting disease A is 50% (150-200 million infections in US alone) and the chance of fatality is 0.01% of those ( say around 15,000 to 20,000 deaths; which is 1/2 to 1/3 the deaths attributed to "flu".) But the treatment by vaccination creates a negative response (lets say GBS - although not really "proved" over background noise (non-swine flu vaccination causes)) in, say, 50-100 individuals. There would be a 150-200x chance of dying from the actual disease than having a negative response (say, death) to the vaccine. Which are you going to choose? I know I'm going with the vaccine.
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there was one other little factoid I wanted to address because it intimated a causal link and that was about lactose intolerance. While there can be an environmental link between cessation of dairy consumption (social or economic reasons) lactose intolerance also has a genetic component: Those of you who can tolerate dairy (milk) in more than minimal amounts need to thank your mutation for that ability. That's right, you milk drinkers are MUTANTS. Fortunately, it is a dominant allele so having only one gene for lactase manufacture is sufficient. For those of us who,though of northern / eastern European ancestry, cannot digest lactose w/o assistance (we must do without or turn to digestive aids) we are the pure humans! I often joke that just walking down the dairy aisle is dangerous, not just for me but for those near at hand! Which made that first job on a dairy farm in western WA worthy of hazardous duty pay.
Well, that's about all I have time to drone on about. My son has had all his shots, I counsel others to maintain their shots. I get a flu shot every year (Oh, should have said something about why we get flu shots every year instead of just one - rhino virus is not just one virus, its a combination of multiple components that combine and recombine every year that express a different immunological ID which makes re-immunizatin necessary - it is not a governmental or industrial plot to subjugate us).
And folk who opt out of vaccinations are like a armour made out of scales: as long as all the scales are in place you are protected, but as you remove more and more scales you protection deteriorated. so it is with community protection: as more and more opt out of vaccination, the ability of the infectious agent to spread amongst the population increases due to more viable hosts. don't do that, community protection is protection of the individuals, and vice-versa.
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Posted: 4/18/2009 1:09:08 PM | "For the immune system to do its job it has to be able to recognize something immunologically significant " exactly and if the person already has whatever the vaccine is in their system, the body can and often will turn the unrecognize agent to be stored. That storage often reappears later as a mutated disease.
The about info on flu shots is incorrect. The flu vaccination have to be made inadvance of the flu season therefore the type of flu vaccine made is only a guess as to what the strain of flu will be. Virus mutate on an ongoing basis.
Here is something else for people to google and then not be able to accept because they must comply with what they are told main stream.
"Research shows that vaccines can cause arthritis. They can also, as a symptom of encephalitis (which is an acknowledged vaccine reaction), cause paralysis. "
"Epilepsy is another symptom of encephalitis, an acknowledged vaccine sequel. Millions of pounds have been paid out worldwide in compensation to the parents of epileptic, vaccine damaged, children. " | |
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Posted: 4/22/2009 2:46:02 PM | Very balanced answer, Don! I, too believe in a healthy balance of pharmaceuticals, and natural methods, to help the body's immune system fend off disease, or recover from illness.
I have a friend who thinks he can "cure" his glaucoma by treating it with "natural" methods....not sure what "natural" methods those are, but I know that they aren't working........ | |
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"Problem is that diseases mutate constantly and you can't vaccinate for what doesn't exist yet."
Well Moraima.. I can agree to the fact that "some" diseases mutate.. and that until they are discovered.. there can't be a vaccination for them.. as the disease needs to be controlled well enough first.. in order to make a vaccine. Vaccines are made from the disease itself.
However.. not ALL diseases have mutated. Chicken Pox is a prime example.. and not something I was ever vaccinated against.. but.. it certainly seems to be working very well.. as the caseloads of reports of children contracting and infecting others with this highly infectious and possibly fatal disease.. has reached a new low in the US. After the dispensing of the vaccine.. there was a significant drop-off of cases with this disease.
That only means that vaccinations.. are necessary.. and medical technological improvements and changes to counter those diseases.. needs to continue. Not stop by the wayside.. because there "appears" to be some anomaly of new and or different diseases our children are acquiring in epidemic proportions.. and some people seem to think.. not know.. that vaccines are the cause. I say.. find the cause.. and it may very well be due to something the parents have been exposed to environmentally.. and are extending in their DNA to their children.. and becoming more pronounced once the children are vaccinated.. and NOT the vaccinations themselves.JMO | |
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Posted: 4/22/2009 6:34:50 PM | Our the last 15 years I have watched the amount of people who are challenge the views of traditional medicine grow. While people who didn't comply were considered crazy. Today many people are opting out, and each year the percentage gets higher as people clue in. It is very satisfying to me to have been given medical info 5 or 10 years ago, and now the same info has been accepted by traditional medical organizations because they can no longer denial the accuracy.
I for one don't expect the average person to have had the experience that would bring them to be part of the holistic community. I expect people to reject that I say. That is ok. Each person has the right and responsibility for their own health care.
I myself used to be very tradition medically. It was when traditional medicine either made huge errors, or admitted that they couldn't do anything because they had no cure for me, that I had to find a cure for myself. Luckily I refused to accept the death sentence they gave me more than half my life ago. I am thrilled with what I have been blessed to learn. I will continue sharing what I have learned. If people want to turn a deaf ear, that is up to them. | |
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Posted: 4/23/2009 6:30:07 PM | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^................................................
Moraima.. encephalitis is a swelling of the brain or outer membrane thereof. Epilepsy may cause encephalitis.. or encephalitis may cause epilepsy. Vaccines have not been "proven" to cause either. Nor have vaccines been "proven" to cause arthritis. What may be "acknoweldged" by one or a few doctors as being an absolute.. are not at all "acknowledged" by the multitude.. as they have NOT necessarily encountered such problems that could be considered as "proof positive".
Tarnished Knight.. as far as the HIV IA vaccine.. I was to understand that NO vaccine for HIV was being administered as of yet. Are you stating they are now available.. even with all the risks that are involved.. or.. they aren't?
I remember the swine vaccine quite well. I personally wasn't subjected to it myself. Whether it was because I didn't qualify for it.. or whether my parents didn't feel it necessary.. or even the availability to it was not prevalant in my area.. I don't recall. I do know though.. that getting that particular form of flu.. as with most childhood diseases.. which was what I was speaking of.. is much better to get the vaccination rather than risking getting the disease itself. IMO | |
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Posted: 4/23/2009 7:13:46 PM | What we didn't have in my day were millions of kids diagnosed with ADD and ADHD. Instead, what we had were parents who were willing to BE parents and discipline their children.
I was educated in Catholic schools and while I strongly disagree with Catholic doctrine, I have great respect for how the sisters ran the classroom. A child who today would most likely be labled ADD or ADHD in my day was dealt with by the Sisters. And I might add, very effectively.
I'm not saying that these ailments don't exist; I'm sure they do in certain cases. And those need to be addressed and treated. But I firmly believe that these labels are often placed on kids who only need a good healthy dose of discipline. | |
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Posted: 4/23/2009 8:33:25 PM | "Rather than take potshots at vaccination programs which are proven to drastically cut the incidence of infectious disease in the human population, look carefully at the chemical stew you are feeding your family."
I foolishly hope that people are smart enough not to eat processed food of any kind. I certainly wouldn't feed processed food to animals - I sure won't eat it myself. Nor will I have vaccines. | |
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Posted: 4/24/2009 8:17:45 PM | Let's hope they are, Moraima, though that may be a vain hope given the sales of processed foods.
Here's a tidbit for you all to ponder while you internally debate the need for vaccination:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090425/ap_on_he_me/med_swine_flu
Personally, IF they quickly develop a vaccine, I will take it. Not so much for my own preservation, as the extreme disgust I would feel if because of my refusal to be vaccinated, I would be responsible for the deaths of others. | |
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Posted: 4/24/2009 8:52:37 PM | The swine flu is scary...doesn't look like they'd develop a vaccine quick enough though.
Best thing to do is to confine it I guess.
One High School in New York had 70 kids come down with it. | |
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Posted: 4/24/2009 9:49:37 PM |
What we didn't have in my day were millions of kids diagnosed with ADD and ADHD. Instead, what we had were parents who were willing to BE parents and discipline their children.
No, what we had were 15 year olds still in Grade 5 labelled as dummies and drop-outs before jr high school. I have a daughter who is ADHD and it is very real, my friend. Without the diagnosis, there wouldn't have been any intervention or coping skills. Re-educate yourself and read "Driven to Distraction" by Dr.Hallowell. | |
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"What we didn't have in my day were millions of kids diagnosed with ADD and ADHD. Instead, what we had were parents who were willing to BE parents and discipline their children."
Aww.. the bad seeds.. as I believe most called children with ADD and ADHD back in the day. Willful.. or spoiled children are other terms used to describe them. Terrible shame was pinned on the whole family of those mis-diagnosed with ADD and ADHD.
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"Without the diagnosis, there wouldn't have been any intervention or coping skills."
So true!
Let's also bring autism into this one. Children with autism were mis-diagnosed as.. s l o w.. or were called just plain old.. stupid. Morons.. and so on. We now know.. as any parent with an autistic child has always known.. these children are far from stupid.. moronic.. or s l o w. Autistic.
Mis-diagnosis also led to the wrongful dispensing of prescriptions that had catastrophic outcomes on there own as well.
It also wasn't all that long ago.. lobotomies were commonplace for many and just about every form of mental illness.. and disease effecting the brain.. or "seemingly" stemming from many types of brain disorders. We've come a very long way in a rather short period of time from then.. yet.. we still have so much further to go. To stop now.. would be detrimental to all our health. Mental.. and physical.IMO
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Moraima.. NO medicine is exact or perfect. No two people are exactly the same.. and physicians aren't completely infallible. They're human beings.. willing to give their best shot.. best diagnosis.. and put forth their best efforts to "help" humanity in anyway they possibly can. After traditional medicine fails.. usually the physicians are the first ones to point the ways to more non-traditional methods of medicine.
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The Swine Flu is a constantly changing virus. The latest "pandemic" that closed the capital of Mexico.. Mexico City.. has been discovered to have genetic material consisting of pig.. bird.. and human components in a way researchers have never seen before. The virus itself.. has mutated.. again. This virus is deadly.. and research needs to continue so vaccines can be distributed to the masses as soon as possible. Hopefully.. just as every time before.. getting sick from the vaccine.. will not be as bad as getting the full dose of the virus itself.
As researchers create new and better vaccines.. we should also keep in mind.. that many of the diseases of today that are being thwarted.. would have been deadly to many of us just decades ago. There is survival of the fittest at work on a constant basis.. and diseases and viruses will also fight to continue on with their existances.. as fast as we try to thwart them. People are living longer and healthier then ever before. Diseases and viruses are now playing catch-up to our progress. Yet.. without progress.. just how many of us would be here today?JMO | |
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Posted: 4/25/2009 8:53:40 AM | "Moraima.. NO medicine is exact or perfect. No two people are exactly the same.. and physicians aren't completely infallible. They're human beings.. willing to give their best shot.. best diagnosis.. and put forth their best efforts to "help" humanity in anyway they possibly can. After traditional medicine fails.. usually the physicians are the first ones to point the ways to more non-traditional methods of medicine.
Depends where we live in Canada as to the percentage of physicians who accept non trarditional meds. I have no clue about the USA, but B.C. is the most holistic province and it drops off as you move east. There is a great deal of jealousy among many traditional doctors, who tell their patiences that holistic meds never work. Not the doctors faults. They were trained that only traditional meds work. In the Orient, diabeties is cured with three months of meds, but calls a fraud here in the west..........interesting.
Let's get serious. Tradition med is about selling drugs at a huge profit. Holistic med is about cheap and safe alternatives. Traditions med will always try to stamp out holistic med. In Canada right now, the drug companies are trying to get the government to make Vitamins like E and B prescription only............why - to make more money and put cheap alternative out of business.
Diseases like cancer will never be cured.............it is too much of a money making industry. | |
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| Before there was Formula...there was Milk!
Posted: 4/25/2009 9:24:42 AM | Hello Lil Brooker... I never disputed that the illness is real. I have a granddaughter who has it and medication has made a great difference. And I am glad that your daughter has gotten the help she needs.
My only point was that I think - and continue to believe - that the label has been greatly over used. And that there are many, many cases where children are placed on powerful drugs simply as a way of controlling behaviors that can and should be altered through more effective discipline. | |
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| Before there was Formula...there was Milk!
Posted: 4/25/2009 6:32:10 PM | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^.....................................
Well.. see that Moraima.. I live in the US.
I haven't had one doctor.. or know of any myself.. that haven't given holistic advice if traditional medicine doesn't "work".
A lot of different types of cancer are curable.. if.. diagnosed early enough.
It's that.. "catching it early enough" part.. that is still baffling to us all. | |
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