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| Do you do drugs???
Posted: 4/15/2009 7:04:25 AM | I have the utmost respect and admiration for those with the "My opinion is the correct one; and anyone who disagrees is decidedly full of shit" approach to thread debate which is so prevalent throughout these forums... Seriously...
And though not original by any means, some have the ability to carry this demeanor to new heights; bordering - in some instances - on art...
And if you're here for dating; then I would imagine your mailboxes to be literally bursting at the seams with overtures from those of the opposite sex who find this quality so attractive and endearing...
If I wasn't just here for the forums; I'd be fvcking envious...
The law is ignorance...
I am an outlaw; not a criminal... | |
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Posted: 4/15/2009 8:49:51 AM | Well I've noticed you posted since I asked the question. Obviously I created a dilema for you because all you've done is continue your rantings and ravings because you can't answer it. So I will repeat myself.
Msg 16
My opinion would not be so harsh if one of these blazers or "recreational" users could just give me one good reason why they use it.
Give us one good reason to drink? | |
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Posted: 4/15/2009 10:06:26 AM |
What do we have here? Another dope head who answered NO in the drug section. Another liar, another insecure moron, another sorry excuse for a person.
Always living in denial. Poor souls.
I put no for 'Do you do drugs?' because I don't do drugs. Unless you count the tums I took this morning for my heartburn. I just happen to disagree with you view on drugs. Like I posted before with regards to your actual question (which doesn't seem to be the point of this thread) you can want people to think a certain way all you want, but it's never going to happen. To make your life easier, just tell people right away before you go on a date your views, cause unfortunately humans have free will and opinions, and won't conform to your style of thinking no matter how hard you will it.
hazzare ,,,, You bring up the subject of respect ....
From what I have read in this thread, You have no respect for others and openly condemn others for exercising THEIR rights to freedom of Choice and religion.
Kinda like the pot calling the kettle black isn't it?
If you want to be treated with respect , show respect to others.!!!!!
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Posted: 4/15/2009 11:46:47 AM | Hey there Nebula,
I didn't realize hippies liked posing admirably in front of Confederate flags. Dumb ass.
Bipolar Intense,
There is no "good" reason to drink, but it is legal. End of story. Whenever I ask someone why they do weed and what the effect is they almost always say "It helps me relax and calm down." That is not a good reason. People drink for that same reason, yet that is considered a major problem...therefore smoking weed to relax is a shit reason. Perhaps those people may want to look at the source of that stress in the first place before resorting to substance abuse to escape. Idiots.
To the Outlaw guy,
You must think you're real bad ass. Enjoy it while it lasts. There is law and one day it will crush your life and I only wish I was there to witness it. | |
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Posted: 4/15/2009 12:20:42 PM | Actually it is only legal to a point. It has many restrictions on where and how much and where. You are not allowed to show up at work in your system , you're not allowed to drive and a bartender can be sent to jail for over serving an individual or minor. But you keep on trying to look smart.
And if you want to work in high paying jobs out west it is just as frowned upon as weed and you will be pee screened once or twice a month to keep the job.
Also it more apt to cause damage to your system and can be addicting.
Stick to your own topic please or do non pot smokers minds tend to wander or just yours? | |
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Posted: 4/15/2009 12:30:26 PM | Ah, well - quite the contrary... But I'm confident in the belief that I've seen and been through shit that you've never even dreamed of; taking your youth into consideration...
Still - I admire your spunk, and there's no denying that your attitude coincides with that of some remarkable and infamous predecessors...
The conspirators involved in the plot to kill Hitler were hung on meat hooks to endure a slow and agonizing death, and the whole gruesome affair was filmed...
It's been noted that Uncle Adolf enjoyed watching it over and over again... | |
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Posted: 4/15/2009 12:38:43 PM | | I'm confident I've seen and been through shit that you've never dreamed...unless of course you spent 7 months in a war torn country that has terrorists plotting to kill you each and every day. No matter though...I came out on top. Please enlighten me on your wisdom kind sir. I would be thrilled to learn how you disobey the law and burden society. | |
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Posted: 4/15/2009 12:42:46 PM | http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/stories/2003/12/22/whyIsMarijuanaIllegal.html
For your own sake just read this page and then tell me that it was done and made illegal for the right reasons. | |
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Posted: 4/15/2009 12:53:35 PM | | The author of that article is Pete Guither. A brief preliminary inquiry shows he is a fine arts and theatre officianado with radical affiliations. His only expertise with marijuana is most likely using it in irresponsible quantities. This is not a scholarly source, there are no citations, and the arguments presented are noticably one sided. I do not accept this as any sort of fact. | |
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Posted: 4/15/2009 1:00:45 PM | Funny ain't it?... Seems people aren't happy and want to shoot at us no matter where we go to spread peace and freedom these days...
Vietnam... Two tours... And the dope was mighty fine...
Edit: The above post seems to bear out that you're capable of arguing a point without peppering it with vitriolic nonsense.... And even if I don't agree; Bravo... | |
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Posted: 4/15/2009 1:14:14 PM | | My respects to you for your service. One thing in common...although I wasn't too thrilled with the dope comment...especially when your buddies are depending on you to be sharp...but that's an argument for another day. | |
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Posted: 4/15/2009 2:20:54 PM | 10) MARIJUANA USE HAS NO EFFECT ON MORTALITY:
A massive study of California HMO members funded by the National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA) found marijuana use caused no significant increase in mortality. Tobacco use was associated with increased risk of death. Sidney, S et al. Marijuana Use and Mortality. American Journal of Public Health. Vol. 87 No. 4, April 1997. p. 585-590. Sept. 2002.
9) HEAVY MARIJUANA USE AS A YOUNG ADULT WON'T RUIN YOUR LIFE:
Veterans Affairs scientists looked at whether heavy marijuana use as a young adult caused long-term problems later, studying identical twins in which one twin had been a heavy marijuana user for a year or longer but had stopped at least one month before the study, while the second twin had used marijuana no more than five times ever. Marijuana use had no significant impact on physical or mental health care utilization, health-related quality of life, or current socio-demographic characteristics. Eisen SE et al. Does Marijuana Use Have Residual Adverse Effects on Self-Reported Health Measures, Socio-Demographics or Quality of Life? A Monozygotic Co-Twin Control Study in Men. Addiction. Vol. 97 No. 9. p.1083-1086. Sept. 1997
8) THE "GATEWAY EFFECT" MAY BE A MIRAGE:
Marijuana is often called a "gateway drug" by supporters of prohibition, who point to statistical "associations" indicating that persons who use marijuana are more likely to eventually try hard drugs than those who never use marijuana - implying that marijuana use somehow causes hard drug use. But a model developed by RAND Corp. researcher Andrew Morral demonstrates that these associations can be explained "without requiring a gateway effect." More likely, this federally funded study suggests, some people simply have an underlying propensity to try drugs, and start with what's most readily available. Morral AR, McCaffrey D and Paddock S. Reassessing the Marijuana Gateway Effect. Addiction. December 2002. p. 1493-1504.
7) PROHIBITION DOESN'T WORK (PART I):
The White House had the National Research Council examine the data being gathered about drug use and the effects of U.S. drug policies. NRC concluded, "the nation possesses little information about the effectiveness of current drug policy, especially of drug law enforcement." And what data exist show "little apparent relationship between severity of sanctions prescribed for drug use and prevalence or frequency of use." In other words, there is no proof that prohibition - the cornerstone of U.S. drug policy for a century - reduces drug use. National Research Council. Informing America's Policy on Illegal Drugs: What We Don't Know Keeps Hurting Us. National Academy Press, 2001. p. 193.
6) PROHIBITION DOESN'T WORK (PART II):
DOES PROHIBITION CAUSE THE "GATEWAY EFFECT"?): U.S. and Dutch researchers, supported in part by NIDA, compared marijuana users in San Francisco, where non-medical use remains illegal, to Amsterdam, where adults may possess and purchase small amounts of marijuana from regulated businesses. Looking at such parameters as frequency and quantity of use and age at onset of use, they found no differences except one: Lifetime use of hard drugs was significantly lower in Amsterdam, with its "tolerant" marijuana policies. For example, lifetime crack cocaine use was 4.5 times higher in San Francisco than Amsterdam. Reinarman, C, Cohen, PDA, and Kaal, HL. The Limited Relevance of Drug Policy: Cannabis in Amsterdam and San Francisco. American Journal of Public Health. Vol. 94, No. 5. May 2004. p. 836-842.
5) OOPS, MARIJUANA MAY PREVENT CANCER (PART I):
Federal researchers implanted several types of cancer, including leukemia and lung cancers, in mice, then treated them with cannabinoids (unique, active components found in marijuana). THC and other cannabinoids shrank tumors and increased the mice's lifespans. Munson, AE et al. Antineoplastic Activity of Cannabinoids. Journal of the National Cancer Institute. Sept. 1975. p. 597-602.
4) OOPS, MARIJUANA MAY PREVENT CANCER, (PART II):
In a 1994 study the government tried to suppress, federal researchers gave mice and rats massive doses of THC, looking for cancers or other signs of toxicity. The rodents given THC lived longer and had fewer cancers, "in a dose-dependent manner" (i.e. the more THC they got, the fewer tumors). NTP Technical Report On The Toxicology And Carcinogenesis Studies Of 1-Trans- Delta-9-Tetrahydrocannabinol, CAS No. 1972-08-3, In F344/N Rats And B6C3F Mice, Gavage Studies. See also, "Medical Marijuana: Unpublished Federal Study Found THC-Treated Rats Lived Longer, Had Less Cancer," AIDS Treatment News no. 263, Jan. 17, 1997.
3) OOPS, MARIJUANA MAY PREVENT CANCER (PART III):
Researchers at the Kaiser-Permanente HMO, funded by NIDA, followed 65,000 patients for nearly a decade, comparing cancer rates among non-smokers, tobacco smokers, and marijuana smokers. Tobacco smokers had massively higher rates of lung cancer and other cancers. Marijuana smokers who didn't also use tobacco had no increase in risk of tobacco-related cancers or of cancer risk overall. In fact their rates of lung and most other cancers were slightly lower than non-smokers, though the difference did not reach statistical significance. Sidney, S. et al. Marijuana Use and Cancer Incidence (California, United States). Cancer Causes and Control. Vol. 8. Sept. 1997, p. 722-728.
2) OOPS, MARIJUANA MAY PREVENT CANCER (PART IV):
Donald Tashkin, a UCLA researcher whose work is funded by NIDA, did a case-control study comparing 1,200 patients with lung, head and neck cancers to a matched group with no cancer. Even the heaviest marijuana smokers had no increased risk of cancer, and had somewhat lower cancer risk than non-smokers (tobacco smokers had a 20-fold increased lung cancer risk). Tashkin D. Marijuana Use and Lung Cancer: Results of a Case-Control Study. American Thoracic Society International Conference. May 23, 2006.
1) MARIJUANA DOES HAVE MEDICAL VALUE:
In response to passage of California's medical marijuana law, the White House had the Institute of Medicine (IOM) review the data on marijuana's medical benefits and risks. The IOM concluded, "Nausea, appetite loss, pain and anxiety are all afflictions of wasting, and all can be mitigated by marijuana." While noting potential risks of smoking, the report added, "we acknowledge that there is no clear alternative for people suffering from chronic conditions that might be relieved by smoking marijuana, such as pain or AIDS wasting." The government's refusal to acknowledge this finding caused co-author John A. Benson to tell the New York Times that the government "loves to ignore our report … they would rather it never happened." Joy, JE, Watson, SJ, and Benson, JA. Marijuana and Medicine: Assessing the Science Base. National Academy Press. 1999. p. 159. See also, Harris, G. FDA Dismisses Medical Benefit From Marijuana. New York Times. Apr. 21, 2006 | |
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| Do you do drugs???
Posted: 4/15/2009 2:56:28 PM | Most of this argument seems to center around marijuana, which some states have recently decriminalized- Massachusetts became the second state, I believe, decriminalizing marijuana up to an ounce during a vote that passed by a 2 to 1 ratio in 2008 (along with the abolition of greyhound racing).
Personally, I am not going to outright reject anyone for smoking up alone. It's their choice and their life. Everyone has what we perceive as flaws, nobody's perfect, and as long as they are redeemable in some way, and respectful, my friendship will encompass them. I don't need to have control over them. I only need to decide what's right for me. I have lots of friends who smoke. I do not understand the viewpoint of people who are so vindictive about people who smoke. It's nothing to lock someone up over (it's a waste of taxpayer money, hence why the above-mentioned vote passed in MA- which has often been the first to implement many things that the rest of the country has adopted, by the way).
Hazzare, I can understand why you might be upset that someone lit up in your car without asking first. It is disrespectful to assume that ANYTHING is okay to do in the presence of others when it falls outside of a culture's social etiquette. If you want to know, then ask. That is what I say. I can also understand why you see dishonesty in people selecting 'no' in the drugs field in their profiles when they are users. I see the other side too though. I think the pot heads you have cited in your first post are the irresponsible kind. There are plenty of people who are lazy and unhygienic to begin with and then take up smoking pot because it appeals to them. I don't like hanging around those kinds of people either. But this does not mean that everyone who smokes is lazy and/or stupid. Life is full of risks, and all of us choose the ones we want to take according to what we value.
By no means am I saying that marijuana is not (unofficially) a cultural norm, however- By far, most of the people I know have at least tried it (about 9 out of 10 on average) and many of them have gone on to be very successful and live a good life. Maybe it varies from place to place. I don't know. I can only go on my experience. Anyway, I don't think it's a big deal when people smoke it as long as they are contributing their fair share to society and are using it responsibly.
Despite my tolerance of marijuana smokers, I HAVE NOT, DO NOT and WILL NOT associate with anyone who does heroin or cocaine. These are drugs that are VERY harmful in a mental, spiritual, and physical way.
There are plenty of people who abuse legal prescription and other types of drugs, as has been pointed out already. Salvia is legal and it is said to be a powerful hallucinogen. Morning glory is also legal and is classified as psychedelic. How and why are they still legal? I don't know, but they are and some people choose to do them.
Regardless of what you decide to do, you should always educate yourself before doing it. Manufacturers put aspartame in lots of sugar-free foods and drinks- aspartame is a neurotoxin. Manufacturers were also putting heavy metals in vaccination needles not even two decades ago. That's right, the same government telling you marijuana is bad for you is also poisoning your children by allowing these contaminated vaccination needles, aspartame, unregulated GMOs (genetically modified foods which are NEVER tested before being sold to consumers), unsafe medications whose side effects are worse than the disease they are supposed to be treating, and other products we still don't know the effects of to be sold to consumers without ANY warning whatsoever from the companies making them. Why do you think all of these mystery epidemics are popping up everywhere? The answer is that there is no regulation and consequently, virtually no enforcement in food safety.
Hazzare, what is your opinion of the Native American tribes who used things like Peyote for ritualistic and spiritual purposes? Is it, perhaps, our culture's relationship with drugs that makes them bad? That is to say, the more popular reasons people do them? Think about it. Where do people learn to do drugs from? Other people who do drugs. In my opinion, cigarettes are a disrespectful use of tobacco, which Native Americans used, on occasion, to bring people together.
Anything that is powerful is dangerous, and drugs can certainly be powerful, as can firearms (but in a different way of course). If the power is in the right hands, it can be used responsibly and beneficially. If it is in the wrong hands, it can do harm and be used malevolently.
Just something to think about.
For what it's worth, Hazzare, I am a civil servant, I collect municipal taxes for my hometown. The military isn't for everyone. Thus, I found anther way to serve my country. I have, however, seven martial arts under my belt and I am still training, so if it comes down to it, I can certainly be of assistance to the military. I am also a Freemason and many of my friends are in law enforcement.
And no, I do not do "drugs," unless you count the occasional beer or mixed drink. | |
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Posted: 4/15/2009 2:56:41 PM | Bravo sir,
Now find 10 valid arguments against marijuana (which there are plenty) and we have ourselves a bonafide discussion. You don't get to pick and choose. There are two sides to everything and if you want me to take your arguments seriously then accept that marijuana isn't flawless. | |
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Posted: 4/15/2009 3:03:50 PM |
Now find 10 valid arguments against marijuana (which there are plenty) and we have ourselves a bonafide discussion. You don't get to pick and choose. There are two sides to everything and if you want me to take your arguments seriously then accept that marijuana isn't flawless. I think you've misunderstood the format of a forum discussion... it goes along the lines of...
OP makes a statement and asks opinions sometimes voicing his own opinion in the opening post.
Forumite responds with own opinion (repeat varied number of times).
OP, in response to questions/queries asked by other forumites, responds often with facts to substantiate his/her opinion/claim.
Forumites counter with their own facts to substantiate their opinion/claim.
No where in the forum process does it state that derogatory or rude verbiage should be used as a foundation of truth nor do we have to prove your point...
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Posted: 4/15/2009 3:15:04 PM | Well op, the government paid for all those results I post, they are in fact not stated to say marijauna is perfect and smoking anything can be somewhat harmful to ones lungs but let's face facts here. You are just pissed that the only date you have had in the last few years turned out to be a stoner. But you were too desparate to find out more about this girl before you rushed to meet her.
Also now that you have had to concede that you may actually be wrong about MJ you aren't man enough to admit to this forum and mostly to yourself that your opinion was told to you and wasn't based on anything of scientific or personal reference.
MJ was made illegal purely for political gain and fueled by racism. Are you a racist op?
The post with reference to how it became illegal is based on fact and if you actually got further than reading who put the report together and went to the links at the bottom of the page, you can read the transcripts of the discussion leading up to the vote.
You may also want to look into Mayor LaGuardia of New York City. He saw the federal law for what it was and conducted a five scientific study in his day that debunked the passing of the law.
Right now if we legalized pot we most likely would have to reduce our police forces because they would have too much time on their for lack of work and most likely be reduced to meter maids.
Your not in the army anymore and you should really start thinking for yourself and stop believing everything the government tells you.
Jump soldier!!! YESSIR how high!!!??????
Further more if we lagalized pot/hemp we could save a lot of trees. You those leafy things outside that provide air? But you might have a problem with tree huggers too? | |
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Posted: 4/15/2009 3:28:10 PM | Hey there harebrain,,,, I was a BIKER before I became a peaceful HIPPIE.
Before I ever smoked any Pot, I was a Violent person and probably just as much an azzhole as you are.
I kicked peoples brains in for less than what your smartazz mouth has said..
I am Native american and was born in the south where people have Manners.
Please go back to where you left your brains and find them.
Stay off the medications too.
Either that or go get some meds..
You need something more than what your on.
Treat others with respect or get your smartazz kicked off this site. It's Your call.
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Posted: 4/15/2009 4:49:38 PM |
Bravo sir,
Now find 10 valid arguments against marijuana (which there are plenty) and we have ourselves a bonafide discussion. You don't get to pick and choose. There are two sides to everything and if you want me to take your arguments seriously then accept that marijuana isn't flawless.
So are we to take it that you're beginning to understand that marijuana isn't as bad as you initially thought? | |
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| Do you do drugs???
Posted: 4/15/2009 5:06:19 PM |
you should really start thinking for yourself and stop believing everything the government tells you. That's the nub of the problem, some people only believe what they're told and being in the military only makes the problem worse. It's not their fault, but they can do something about it. It usually starts by getting out in the real world and questioning authority to a degree. At 24 the OP is running a bit behind, but he can catch up if he wants to. That said, some people will remain in their shell of ignorance and believe only what the Government tells them. | |
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| Do you do drugs???
Posted: 4/15/2009 5:30:54 PM |
I absolutely refuse to associate with people that use marijuana because it is illegal and whether you like it or not, that makes you a criminal.
Do you refuse to associate with people who like oral sex? It's still technically against the law in something like 23 states.
Good to know YOU'RE not a criminal  | |
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| Do you do drugs???
Posted: 4/15/2009 6:29:27 PM |
There are countries outside of the Exciting States of America you know. In Canada, where I'm from, oral sex is not illegal; therefore I associate with whoever enjoys participating in that activity.
So would you refuse to associate with Americans who enjoy oral sex and live in a state where such things are still technically illegal, thus technically making them criminals?
I know all the American states and their capitals.
Making an assertion that can't be proven online (because, for all we know you could look them up and then post) does absolutely nothing to strengthen your argument or make you look "smarter." Nice try, kid 
Hillbilly.
Canuck.
Gee, see how easy that is? I sure hope you're not really trying to look clever, here. | |
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| Do you do drugs???
Posted: 4/15/2009 7:19:37 PM | How to have a good day off:
Step 1: 
Step 2: 
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Posted: 4/15/2009 7:39:16 PM | At no point did I ever make any claims that marijuana was "bad." However, it is illegal and has a social stigma attached to it. I believe I clearly stated that I supported it's medical use under certain circumstances which means I do see some benefit. However, there is no justifiable reason to be getting high just for the sake of getting high. I am equally disgusted with people that get drunk just for the sake of getting drunk. I am well aware that alcohol is as bad or worse than weed, but the simple fact is a person can have 1 drink and show no effects...conversely a person that smokes a joint will be visibly affected and/or impaired. Personally, I am disgusted by substance abuse habits on moral and health related grounds. I absolutely refuse to associate with people that use marijuana because it is illegal and whether you like it or not, that makes you a criminal. My post was clearly aimed at people that seem to think that marijuana is not considered an illegal narcotic and is socially acceptable and then answer NO in the drug section of their profile. Lying is wrong. Substance abuse is wrong.
I get your point and why it bothers you, I just don't think you should let it bother you so much. It's not that people don't think weed is illegal; they know it is, but they believe it shouldn't be, and protest it. There's a lot of stupid laws out there, which people break on a regular basis and aren't punished for, so by that right everybody is a criminal. And to be fair, some people that put 'no' for drugs do admit in their profile that they smoke weed. So make a large note in your profile that you want nothing to do with people who do that, problem solved. | |
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Posted: 4/15/2009 7:45:09 PM | Hazzareperson, a word of advice here. You might want to establish some kind of credibility with the posters before going off on a soap box. That's kind of important if you're trying to convert somebody to your way of thinking. Otherwise all you're doing is attacking them which is more likely to cause you get angry and blow a gasket than it is to get anyone to listen to you or consider your opinions.
Just a little dose of reality that you might want to take into consideration, though. The war on drugs is pointless. It's an unwinnable war. There will always be people partaking in recreational substances of their choice. Just as it didn't stop people from drinking during prohibition, you're not going to stop people from doing drugs.
So you basically have two choices here. You can either accept this and go on with your life. Or you can continue to tear your hair out and have a heart attack about it while people still continue to do drugs. | |
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Posted: 4/18/2009 9:28:56 PM |
Hypocritical that the government is allowed to take duties from alcohol and tobbaco and use that money to force its will on other countries and indulge in illegal activities of its own.  | |
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