| Respect for spiritual and religious beliefs
Posted: 7/1/2005 10:41:45 PM | It was you that agreed. I just wonder what is it that allows you to believe, that others are attacking other religious beliefs
In these forums, seeing scripture is pretty darn common, lets just say it doesn't shock me when I see it anymore. In another thread however I felt it was necessary to lay a few of my own beliefs out to be read, I more or less just wanted to show that I have my own system of beliefs I guess. The conversation is a strange one so I wont go into it here. After all the scripture I've seen and read on these forums, although the post was a little venomous, but the Idea that we all are Christian, and if Im not in church I must be outside worshiping satan is pretty offencive. It cracks me up because its so obvious no one took the time to read them, no one took the time to see that I wasn't evil, no to do that would be to admit the Christian God isn't the only way.
Another thing that makes me chuckle is the way that phrase is looked at by Christians. "The Christian God isn't the only way" That phrase will get a persons head bit off around here faster than anything, it's like if you say it, then they say "Shhhhhhh, don't say that out loud what's wrong with you" They see it as an attack on their religion, if someone points out for me that the Lord n Lady aren't the only way, I just look at them and no, their not, there are MANY paths to "Spirit" Not Christians though they jam those fingers in their ears and walk off saying LA LA LAAA I cant hear you.
I think allot of the Christians here do it just because their afraid the other belief may be just as valid as theirs, I think the divine show themselves in the form that we best understand, hence my God and Goddess, your shepard God, Allah, all of them, but that's just my opinion. | |
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| Respect for spiritual and religious beliefs
Posted: 7/1/2005 11:26:17 PM | Nice points, As you said the Scripture of the Bible may come across a little venomous, just remember the Scripture was written so long ago and we can see there has been no real change from what happened so long ago. I do agree they could be a bit harsh, but it is written in the Bible after all.
I took a quick peak at what you were writting then, I just cannot agree with you and God's but that is how you come to see things, Maybe.....ah you'll know.....
Christian God...hummm
Christian is to be like Christ, Christ God....no,............. more like Christ is God.
Christ corrected the ways of man's sinful nature allowing us to be able to be forgiven, all those "bad" (which is not His way) things God did in the past was for us to know what was sin and what it meant to sin against God. It was more of wars against the evil man got led to believe was ok by the deceiver...Satan.
I think it was there for us to know and see that God really does Love everyone of us and really cares to allow us to sin a bit and still come to Him. One just needs to understand that he does know us and he wants us to understand him, once we do he'll accept us, and not allow such troubles to come to us.
The only way now I know what your refferring too, ok that seems to fall in the Christian catorization, yes, but if you do not wish to be there , it Seems to me God makes things Quite a bit harder, the Jewish have to adhere to all ten commandments and alot of rituals. Then there are the new age, just because I think they want to see God's ways but saw that this other Christian religion turned them so against the ways out they strut to impose their way. Which in a way may bring hem to where they wish to go but to be accepted, well you know the answer from the man himself.
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| Respect for spiritual and religious beliefs
Posted: 7/2/2005 1:15:28 AM | Anytime sweetie 
And for the record, I wasnt saying that ya'lls "scripture" was venomous, I was saying that post I made was a little mean, but that was because he called me a liar, sometimes the scripture can come off venomous yes but for every "nasty" sounding one, there seems to be 3 very beautifull verses to make up for it.
My husband converted from a Southern Baptist, and he never REALLY gave it up, as I would never ask something like that of anyone, many of his spells use Christian arch angels and things of that sort, it really is a beautifull religion.
However, all the bickering that you see in these threads sometimes I'm reminded of the little boys down the street, upon finding out our religion there mother forbade them to "play with the little pagan boy" (my son Cody) They were all crushed by this, but now these children have seemed to make a game of tormenting my son for his beleifs. These beleifs that these children have were not their before they told their mother what religion Cody was, no it was taught to them, hate is a learned behaivour.
anyway I just thought that might be pretty on topic. | |
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| Respect for spiritual and religious beliefs
Posted: 7/2/2005 1:41:00 AM | | Hey cutie, I'm really sorry about your child being discriminated against. That is so sad. It seems to be that any child that stands out in any way gets the boom lowered on him or her. I think that the some kids are just looking for a reason to tear others down hoping that this will lift their poor self-esteem somehow. The demon in others in sometimes the demon in me. I'm sorry if I have said anything that causes you to feel disrespected. | |
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Posted: 7/2/2005 9:55:07 AM | Thank you Enchantress, I do try to extend the love of my Lord or Spiritual Mentor just as I believe you try to extend the love of your higher power or Spirit. You are such a lovely being and I truly hope all your days and nights are filled with your precious Goddess's love. Happy Fourth of July weekend! | |
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| Respect for spiritual and religious beliefs
Posted: 7/2/2005 10:22:07 AM | It is also easy to give in to one's mind and selfish emotion. Poor Cody has suffered from that (I believe) their senses on selfish emotion and or pride perhaps. But you know things may change, if they come to grow and learn if they listen to the right teacher..:)
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| Respect for spiritual and religious beliefs
Posted: 7/2/2005 10:32:12 AM | | I don't think Christ ever called Himself as teacher and I don't think we should either out of respect. He did say, when asked about who He is, at his trial, "I am that I am", I believe. Dei Gratia do you know where that scripture is off hand? I have to go for now, but I'll check back later. I hope you have a wonderful Fouth of July Weekend, my friend. Your brother in Christ, Tim | |
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| Respect for spiritual and religious beliefs
Posted: 7/2/2005 10:32:20 AM | Oh correct teachers being either God or Jesus as son of Man.
Thanks, for I am speaking of the People who are so opposed to Pagen beliefs.
@ Tim
No I am not aware of Jesus saying that. I think what I am trying to say is what the followers of Jesus called him "teacher".
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Posted: 7/2/2005 3:00:34 PM | The irony in what you say, Dei, is that Cody is suffering BECAUSE the other kids were influenced by those "opposed to Pagan beliefs." I think Cody will be better off if the other children are able to "grow and learn" under the guidance of "teachers" who are tolerant of different beliefs. It will certainly not get better if they continue to "grow and learn" under the guidance of those "opposed to pagan beliefs."
Or maybe there's no irony. Maybe I misunderstood you.
Wiccan, forgive us being so personal with your son. After your post and the subsequent ones, it's just easier to refer to him this way. | |
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| Respect for spiritual and religious beliefs
Posted: 7/2/2005 4:23:34 PM | Oh I don't mind Nitany, this is a fine example of where these things come from, it's like the little white boys and girls in the 60's who couldn't understand why they couldn't play with the black children they did not see color,neither the "white" child or the "black" child. and that is something adults could learn from. Diversity has always been preached against, but like racism, religious dicrimination subsides little by little each day, so to will this. I believe that with all my heart.
Ya'll are sweet, you can discuss my son, theres no harm in it, mabey we can come up with a good idea of what I can do for him.. | |
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Posted: 7/2/2005 5:02:33 PM | How can I ask them to fallow a path I only understand from Hollywood cinima? I mean I dont know how many witchcraft movies you've seen Dei but I can assure you their not overly accurate. Ever see that movie "Warlock?" That is not something I want people to think of when they think of me, searching desperatly for an evil book to use to throw down god..I mean cmon lol, When I first met my husband that is what he felt Witches were.
No, to ask this of them myself might be viewed as hypicritical, and with no more knowledge than I have on the subject I would be easily beaten in a debate on it, if I sat here Dei and argued the Bible with you, I would quickly be beaten. If we argue Paganism then the shoes on the other foot, no I think there must be something else I can do, something to bring us on equal ground... | |
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Posted: 7/2/2005 5:13:37 PM | So this is the case...they know your Pagen and your son is teased by this?
Humm what to say........why debate?....... say it, take child walk away.
Unfortunately, they will never see "equal round" wicc....... | |
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Posted: 7/2/2005 6:02:44 PM | | Yes, I suppose the damage is done for all involved, these neighbor kids have their lil minds set now, and Cody has had his first contact with religious persicution and from it he has become VERY bitter to them as well...This whole thing is just such a shame. breaks my heart, they were all so close before. I miss them too, they are sweet well behaved children. I would have liked to shelter my son from such things untill he was old enough to understand them. | |
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Posted: 7/2/2005 6:12:50 PM | Well, honestly wiccan, that one of the reasons I dont push a religion on my son. It isnt important for him to be labled that early on, and kids will take anything and pick on one another about it.
Ryu and I have some spirited debates on Evolution, God, and Jesus, but its not forcing him into my train of thought. He knows, he has plenty of time to learn, and in his words, dosnt want to make a decision untill he has years to learn first. | |
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Posted: 7/2/2005 6:22:13 PM | | Oh, I certaily dont push my beliefs on him, but he himself told them he was Pagan, which is exactly what I told him NOT to do, but then how can I preach Pagan Pride and then deney it to my son? He has his fathers fire, and his mothers passion...Not a good mix if you know what I mean... | |
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| Respect for spiritual and religious beliefs
Posted: 7/2/2005 9:26:07 PM | Hi
I respect others beliefs, even when they differ from my own, though its hard to understand sometimes, especially when you've been brought up in the church. But respecting others beliefs and understanding them are two very different things...
For the first time in my life I am just recently taking an objective look at the church, not God, but the church's doctrines. | |
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Posted: 7/2/2005 9:45:48 PM |
not God, but the church's doctrines. ..
I think that is a very good idea...doctrines of churches are often man made and squeezed out of scripture..And some, well, are borrowed from earlier religions..Research, read, relax and take your time..its not a race.. | |
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Posted: 7/4/2005 10:01:57 AM |
I think that is a very good idea...doctrines of churches are often man made and squeezed out of scripture..And some, well, are borrowed from earlier religions. And what is wrong with that? If an earlier religion contains truth, you'd be a fool not to accept it. That would be as silly as refusing to believe that 1+1 is 2 simply because your enemy said so! | |
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Posted: 7/4/2005 10:20:18 AM | Miss Music,
I have seen you pick and choose your words, trying very hard not to offend any other religion, and for that I give you a lot of credit.
I don't really have issuse nor did I take offense at this remark, but some might.
That would be as silly as refusing to believe that 1+1 is 2 simply because your enemy said so!
I will say this though, as part of the other religions I don't feel like I am an enemy to christianity, if anything I am an enemy to the strictures on not being free thinking.
I truly admire and respect the comfort that someone gets from having a true belief in their religion and enjoy being able to debate the pros and cons of what we both believe.
I just get frustrated with trying to discuss things with people that are competely closed minded (no freedom to think on their own).
So we are not the enemy, but we could be friends. | |
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Posted: 7/4/2005 10:43:16 AM | Seriouslyfunnylady - Ooops. Looks like I didn't pick my words too carefully that time!  Thanks for the heads up!
What I was trying to say is that even if someone was your enemy, it's incredibly silly to say that 1+1 is NOT 2 just because they believe it is. Given that, isn't it that much more ridiculous to refuse to believe it simply because the person who said so is from a different spiritual belief system?
(Shoot, am I explaining myself better or worse here?) | |
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