| Respect for spiritual and religious beliefs
Posted: 7/4/2005 10:49:01 AM | I did know what you ment the first time, just figured I would get it before someone else did,
And I agree, obvioulsy if you look at religions around the world things are *borrowed* from all of them.
I do believe that we all originally started with the same base religion, and as people explored and took their beliefs with them, new languages were formed, and the historys being passed by word of mouth got changed, just enough to eventually make a difference, in what names we called our Gods.
Also believing in reincarnation, I feel we are drawn to what we believed in previous lives, and for some it takes a little longer to get there then others. | |
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| Respect for spiritual and religious beliefs
Posted: 7/4/2005 1:05:28 PM | Well said seriousfunnylady. I am with you 100%.
The difficulty lies when we try to maintain respect while trying to "help" those we see as being oppressed, taken advantage of. Is it a lack of respect or charity when someone tries to convince a women that wearing a veil is wrong, or that her husband shouldn't have more than one wife (think Mormon and yes I know they don't do that anymore), or that celebrating a child's birthday is necessary and said child must be given another person's blood during an operation (Jehovah's Witness) or ...or...or.... | |
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| Respect for spiritual and religious beliefs
Posted: 7/4/2005 1:30:48 PM | If one does not abide in the teachings of his ways there what good is of you?
Yeah sure Mormon was against God's ways they altered the text as has, Catholics, etc.
But if you do your will and not the will of God then you are"asking for trouble"
But that's what is written.
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| Respect for spiritual and religious beliefs
Posted: 7/4/2005 1:44:29 PM | Again if you rely solely on the religion you may get decieved see the word God's holy Words watch and see how they come alive.
It will happen as did everything in the past has, as to the Holy Scriptures.
Religion does help, but for you as a person you need to know your purpose of God's will for you.
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| Respect for spiritual and religious beliefs
Posted: 7/4/2005 1:48:25 PM |
Yeah sure Mormon was against God's ways they altered the text as has, Catholics, etc
well there you go, casting judgements. I am in no way a religious man, but a spiritual one. I was, in fact, raised in a Mormon family and the moral and family values that are taught are probably the best. You can't find decensy like that anymore. I'm sure God will not frown on that. Yes, they do have their own book, but they DO also teach from the Bible. I do not agree with them on every level, but they do preach to the same God as the Christians, Catholics, Babtists, etc. The overall picture is what is important. They lead good lives and they don't preach hate. That, in Gods eyes, I'm sure is the most important.
I, myself, am not apart of organized religion because I believe that as long as I live a good life and I'm overall good to my fellow man, God will take me in.
I will allow you your beliefs as long as you allow me mine. I am, in no way, any less of man for this. | |
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| Respect for spiritual and religious beliefs
Posted: 7/4/2005 2:01:22 PM | I believe in a Higher Power and feel everyone has a right to call their Higher Power what they want, be it He, She, It, or Them. I have talked with Muslims about their beliefs and can understand where they are coming from even if I do not agree with it. I have talked to Pagans and have found much of their belief system goes with what I have always believed. I have talked to Catholics andcan understand why they feel as they do. I do not claim to follow just one religion, since I had to figurre it all out on my own as I grew and learned.
When challenged on my beliefs I just use examples of when the Higher Power was in control of my life and how it turned out. I have impressed Pastors, Ministers and Pegan Priest with my faith and belief system. It works for me and I see no reason to tell other people their belief system is wrong if it works for them. | |
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| Respect for spiritual and religious beliefs
Posted: 7/4/2005 2:05:54 PM | It is not a belief it is a known fact....
His name is Bringham Young, a president of the church of Jesus Christ of the latter day saints.
Quote from "journal of discourses"
When our father adam came into the Garden of Eden, He came into it with celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him.
He helped to make and organize this world. He is Micheal, the archangel, the ancient of days! About whom holy men have written and spoken - He (Adam) is our father and our God, and the the oonly God with whom we have to do.
END Quote
This is known as blasphemy, he shot down the Bible. It is an old technique. Remember this...satan is the author of all false teachings.
God said to break even the smallest of rules how can one trust anyone that does.
Some of these sects seem to recieve new divine revelation every ten minutes.
If you read the Holy Scriptures and are aware why would you still be there?
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| Respect for spiritual and religious beliefs
Posted: 7/4/2005 2:23:04 PM |
If you read the Holy Scriptures and are aware why would you still be there?
I'm not there anymore. I don't live my life based on scripture. I live my life based on descency. They may not be right in how they teach, I don't care. I look at a persons character and the way they treat others. That is all.
I think people make things more compicated than they really need to be. Satan wants hate. Satan wants us to destroy each other. Doesn't it make sense then to just treat others with respect. Mormons may have odd teachings, but it's the descency we have to look at. Overall, they are good people regardless of their gospel.
Again, I will allow them to have their gospel. It's not hurting me. I just don't need it to be good person. | |
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| Respect for spiritual and religious beliefs
Posted: 7/4/2005 5:24:50 PM | Dei,
In most of your response I see you as one of the major people *casting stones* at different religions, you like to mention them by name i.e. mormon's catholics. You profess no church affiliation but go by the word of the bible.
You make statements or hints about the fires of hell or eternal damnation.
I get so disappointed to see that you seem to have no tolerance for those around you.
Let me quote some of YOUR bible to you. Read it then maybe the next time you type, you will do it with a little more gentleness and tact.
Let him who is without sin cast the first stone
According to the Gospel of John, the Pharisees, in an attempt to discredit Jesus, brought a woman charged with adultery before him. Then they reminded Jesus that adultery was punishable by stoning under Mosaic law and challenged him to judge the woman so that they might then accuse him of disobeying the law. Jesus thought for a moment and then replied, “He that is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone at her.” The people crowded around him were so touched by their own consciences that they departed. When Jesus found himself alone with the woman, he asked her who were her accusers. She replied, “No man, lord.” Jesus then said, “Neither do I condemn thee: go and sin no more.” | |
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| Respect for spiritual and religious beliefs
Posted: 7/4/2005 5:35:46 PM | funny I do not even know how to throw...
For I just refer as to what was taught to me from the Bible.
The Bible shows how evil people could be from the ways that satan is revealed in the Bible.
so who really throws stones?
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| Respect for spiritual and religious beliefs
Posted: 7/4/2005 6:00:04 PM | In all honesty, NO, I do not respect certain beliefs. Reason being, I find them to be anti-God, (or what God would want), and going against the meaning of human life and love. For instance, the islamic religions, preach how we are all the infidels, "the great satan"...this is hogwash..I'm sorry.
I have respect for people who follow all the denominations of christianity, EXCEPT when they start bashing other people's beliefs and condemming everyone to hell.
I have the most respect for nature religions because they are the only ones who do not condemn others. They do not believe in a hell as fire n brimstone, so they don't feel they have to co-erse others into thier beliefs.
I think respect is given to any religion that does not practice hate, eternal damnation, and bribery/blackmail. (give to the church or your damned kinda thing) | |
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| Respect for spiritual and religious beliefs
Posted: 7/4/2005 7:49:04 PM | | Who really cares about respecting a "religion?" I think the sad thing on these threads is the lack of respect for other PEOPLE who have different beliefs. The high and mighty routine does nothing but discredit the one on the horse, if you ask me. "Do as I say, not as I do" is pretty weak, in my opinion. | |
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| Respect for spiritual and religious beliefs
Posted: 7/4/2005 9:48:58 PM | /me checks mouth... yes, there is room for another foot.
Several points, if I may.
First... It is an unfortunate but very real part of Chritianity that those who are "Christians" are obligated by the "Great commision" to go and spread the word. Well, that is part is not unfortunate. The unfortunate part is that very few have ever been taught how to do that while still being respectful of other's beliefs, even if they do not agree with them. As a result, you have a great many "well meaning" people going out and not only trashing the beliefs of others, but sowing a great deal of anger, resentment, distrust, and upset.
Second point... and equally unfortunate... Many Christians... and those in other religions for that matter... only really know what they are told by the person at the front of the church when they attend a "church" service. So regardless of whether what they are being told is in accordance with thier "bible" and denominational doctrine or not, they go out and do whatever it is that he was teaching. "He is the minster, after all... he is supposed to know."
Then, regardless of why what the minister taught was wrong IS wrong, you have who knows how many people doing things that should not be done. This is not due to lack of intelligence... but more to laziness, "lack of time" to check, or just lack of motivation to do the real work that needs to be done in order to know.
The next step from that is a whole lot of people see these "church going people" these horrible things, and slam the whole religion.
A very good example of this is part of what is happening over seas. DISCLAIMER: I am about to speak of a "religion" I know very little of. I apolgoze in advance for any comment I might make here that would offend any in the Muslim religions.
Many overseas have seen many "devout Muslims" do unspeakeable things in the name of thier religion. Turns out, according to many reports that I have seen, that thier religion teaches the exact opposite of what they are doing, but they are doing it anyways because they have been "taught" that this is what they should do. The majority of rest of us over here don't know diddly about thier religion, but hear only what these fanatics have to say, and condemn the religion outright, based on the observable actions of these so called devout followers of thier religion.
Another point... re Cody
Wiccan... a basic fundamental concept of all Christian religions is "love" for those around them. Christ accepted all who came to him... and attacked no one. While it is something that unfortunately is not seen as it should be, I can not imagine anyone professing to be a Christian to even try to debate that point. Therefore, it can be reasonably stated that non of the others on your street who are hassling your son are behaving remotely like the religion they claim to believe in. Unfortunately, there is nothing new with that either. However, it does give you something to work with.... when "dealing with the neighbors."
Last.. and not least...
A great many of the Christian churches have taken spiritulism out of Christianity... not by design, necessarily, but it happened anyway. This just left the rules... and rules without the inspiration from which they were generated tend to not work very well. Also unfortunate.
Just for the record... for those who who take issue with my comments... I am of the Christian persuasion... so this is not me passing judgement on all... so much as lamenting the failings of the day. | |
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| Respect for spiritual and religious beliefs
Posted: 7/10/2005 8:12:38 AM | | Quite simply, there ARE people in here attacking other "religious beliefs." They are very often passive aggressive "attacks," but they are attacks nonetheless. Why so much intolerance?! | |
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| Respect for spiritual and religious beliefs
Posted: 7/10/2005 5:36:10 PM | | I'm not so sure about that. Recent threads have attacked the authorship of the Bible, the Bibles credibilty and questioning our beliefs that Jesus was never married. Why do they want to attack us? We come in peace. | |
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| Respect for spiritual and religious beliefs
Posted: 7/10/2005 8:57:43 PM | You attack these thing's on other peoples beliefs, why shoud the attacks on your's stop, if the attacks on others wont?
I would agree however that Verm is makeing some... interesting threads, but his opinions are as valid as anyones.. | |
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| Respect for spiritual and religious beliefs
Posted: 7/10/2005 9:08:51 PM | We come in peace.
Doc R2 so what do you make of the following, Matt 10:34 :-
Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn a man against his father,a daughter against her mother,a daughter-in-law against her mother in-law, a man's enemies will be the members of his own household. Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me;and anyone who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. | |
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| Respect for spiritual and religious beliefs
Posted: 7/11/2005 3:29:13 AM |
I'm not so sure about that. Recent threads have attacked the authorship of the Bible, the Bibles credibilty and questioning our beliefs that Jesus was never married. Why do they want to attack us? We come in peace. There's a difference between questioning and attacking. Unfortunately, there seem to be a lot of christians who push their beliefs on others around here, and now it's a problem if others "question our beliefs that Jesus was never married?" There's nothing wrong with that.
I wish that all could have a reasonable conversation about a religion other than theirs. In my opinion the problem is no questioning, it's passive agressiveness. For example, in the middle of a conversation about a non-christian religion, someone will come in spouting bible verses and wishing christian "understanding" or some other such nonsense on the person. THAT's what I'm talking about. | |
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