| Should AHC cover sex changes?
Posted: 4/16/2009 7:16:29 PM | My comments were meant to compare with what they are taking away.
and a few examples of those kind of women would be the drug and alcohol addicted
This is 2009, have they not heard of birth control? There are many couples that would adopt these children, I know people that have done this. So if they aren't meant to carry children and be a mother then they should take responsibility for the consequences . It's too easy to have someone else take the responsibility for something they haven't done. Some of these women use abortions as their birth control, its time to revamp our health care coverage. | |
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| Should AHC cover sex changes?
Posted: 4/16/2009 7:16:44 PM | ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The comment was made as a joke trubble, don't get your hillbilly haines in a knot.
And don't get me started on who exactly recieves unequal treatment in this country. If all genders were created equal, women would not be dying of heart-related illness at an alarming rate compared to men. Surgeons don't operate as frequently on women as they do men for any kind of condition. That is a fact. Also, women don't get treated for their pain like men do. They are made to suffer longer because most (men) physicians stupidly believe that women have a higher pain tolerance than men (which they don't). That is also a fact.
And so what would you do if your girlfriend and you had an unwanted pregnancy? Expect her to take 9 months out of her life and hand it over to you afterwards?
It's not a puppy. The problem is that most men won't step up and be a man and take financial responsibility for their children, born or unborn. | |
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| Should AHC cover sex changes?
Posted: 4/16/2009 7:23:53 PM | I just mean to point out that you really have no idea what you're talking about. Ten seconds on wikipedia, that's all I ask....
"However some individuals have combinations of chromosomes, hormones, and genitalia that do not follow the traditional definitions of "men" and "women". In addition, genitalia vary greatly or individuals may have more than one type of genitalia, and other bodily attributes related to a person's sex (body shape, facial hair, high or deep voice, etc.) may or may not coincide with the social category, as woman or man. Recent research suggests that as many as one in every hundred individuals may have some intersex characteristic.[5] Because of this reality, we are all located on a continuum of biological sex, and gender as well."
So in reality, "chromosomes and associated other things" aren't as simple as xx and xy. This is just the tip of a very large iceberg of things you don't know about this. My opinion, small as it may be, is that you should leave the judgment of medically necessary to someone else.
They used to send gay people to retraining asylums back in the day when electroshock therapy was a good cure for bewilderment. | |
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| Should AHC cover sex changes?
Posted: 4/16/2009 7:25:40 PM |
I can't argue that health care should be tops however I beg to differ that Alberta has the buildings and the beds available. From someone who spent a lot of time in and out of the hospital recently, I can tell you this is simply not the case.
I was seriously ill not that long ago. They left me in emergency for a day and a half, saying they didn't have a bed for me. Nurses are assigned to care for a certain amount of patients and this is usually adhered to. The finally got me into a bed and as I started to get better I took walks around the hospital ward. There were so many rooms empty and I inquired about it because these beds were empty when I needed a room. The nurse told me they didn't have enough nurses to allow those beds to be used. There was a complete floor that was empty, now that's ridiculous. Our health care is broken. | |
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| Should AHC cover sex changes?
Posted: 4/16/2009 7:26:25 PM |
To add insult to injury you have to explain your attempt at sarcasm, thereby demonstrating that you somehow feel superior to those of us who don't agree with your opinion. If you truly had a healthy self-esteem you wouldn't rely on such tactics to try and make a point; you would have some logic to back it up and be able to communicate that without becoming sarcastic.
ok, and you're calling me narrow minded?? I'm simply using the same reasoning you are. Mental illness is mental illness is it not?? If one wants to cut off his d!ck or another wants a butt lift, what diff does it make if they're having mental issues over it?
But if you think that makes me feel 'superior', fill your boots!
And there you go with the self esteem crap again.... look, drop it ok? you don't know me, I don't know you... you have no idea where my self esteem is, just as I have no idea if you're really as anal as you come across, so how about we stop with the petty insults and get back to the topic at hand ok?
You have an opinion, I have an opinion... last time I checked, that was allowed in the free world... right? You can go on and on about my sarcasm, but you're really not much different. At least I can admit when I'm being sarcastic.
Oh... one more thing.... trubble... I think I luvvvv you! Well said.  | |
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| Should AHC cover sex changes?
Posted: 4/16/2009 7:26:40 PM | My only thoughts on this issue are. The Alberta government will be challenged in court with this and it will cost FAR more than the $700,000 it currently spends on average per year.
I don't care if guys want pies or chix want dix...
I just do not want my tax dollars fighting a fight that other provinces have already fought and lost.
It all seems a very petty way for the very people that vote themselves massive salary increases every year to save money.
And once again... like clockwork... OMG comes out and insults people to get "his?" point across...
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| Should AHC cover sex changes?
Posted: 4/16/2009 7:34:31 PM | lol edm fella , yah hes my personal stalker,its kinda pathetic really lol
hes so lonely he has to follow me around like an old farm dog lol
barking out petty insults , really it just demeans him tho ,i find it vaguely amusing at his use of ginormous words to sound smart and then to look so stupid by name calling
My opinion, small as it may be, is that you should leave the judgment .... and associated blather......................
i have every right to voice my opinion , and an opinion isnt a judgement, its an OPINION, even tho in your small mind you see everything anyone says as a judgement
your opinion about my opinion is irrelevant. since I answered a query on a thread. YOU however merely tried to flame and personally attack.
and furthermore. this isnt an in depth analyzation of sexual deviation, its a light q&a thread, . and your so called information isnt yours, its as you said wilkipedias, so its even more moot. so try harder to look smart next time since this time you only made yourself look lame
anyhw thats the last direct response youll get fromme , so carry on flaming away | |
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| Should AHC cover sex changes?
Posted: 4/16/2009 7:43:27 PM | I've notice that trubb... he seems to have a fixation on you...
I also like that he likes to quote or use Wikipedia.. a user generated site... I do believe that Steven Colbert once got his fans to change wiki to say that elephants were native to north America.
I prefer to use real facts to back up an argument.
But, As I said.. I would rather my tax bucks pay the $700 grand a year than spend a few million fighting it. | |
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Posted: 4/16/2009 7:46:55 PM | -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I certainly agree dusty that some women should not use abortions as a form of birth control. But all forms of birth control do have a failure rate, and I don't think that those women affected should be punished for that.
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The topic here is "Should AHC cover sex changes?"
I say if the person meets all required critieria, then yes.
Comparing transgender surgery to bigger boobs or a penis implant is like comparing pineapples to peaches. We are not talking about vanity issues here. | |
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Posted: 4/16/2009 7:51:50 PM |
Comparing transgender surgery to bigger boobs or a penis implant is like comparing pineapples to peaches. We are not talking about vanity issues.
Actually... it's more like compairing a peach to a banana... or melons to a cucumber..or coconuts to a ... nm...
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Posted: 4/16/2009 7:53:25 PM | Opinions...
"You have an opinion, I have an opinion... last time I checked, that was allowed in the free world... right?"
Yes. Everyone can have them but it doesn't mean all opinions are correct. Gender disorders are not the same as people who want a prettier nose. What it is similar to is Apotemnophilia which has to be the weirdest disorder I've ever heard of. Perfectly healthy people have an overwhelming desire to cut off one of their limbs. It's such a manic disorder that these people will go to incredible extremes to actually achieve their goal. They have been known to freeze a limb in dry ice, cut off circulation to a limb for days, go to Mexico and pay Dr. Nick to amputate for them in a hotel room, etc etc. Some people just tie a leg behind them and walk around on crutches all day. There are lots of people all around the world with this disorder and finally doctors are realizing that maybe performing the surgery is not unethical or unnecessary. Once these people get the surgery they can finally lead a normal life. All stress and mania is gone and life goes happily on. It can't yet be cured with therapy or retraining or long stays in asylums. Both men and women have this disorder. And it's also not the same as getting a nose job. | |
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| Should AHC cover sex changes?
Posted: 4/16/2009 8:10:28 PM |
"Should AHC cover sex changes?"
exactly
which makes your next comment redundant , since if they dont cover it , there will be no required criteria.
period
and i believe the majority , has made the comment that NO we dont want our tax dollars to support sex changes
your justifying mentally ill peoples genital disfigurment really is irrelevant, this thead isnt about whether trannies deserve to get their weeners lopped off , since thats not the topic.get off the soapbox
Comparing transgender surgery to bigger boobs or a penis implant is like comparing pineapples to peaches. We are not talking about vanity issues here.
no WE arent, however YOU are
if i want a giant pecker to help me haul around my damned bath towel , why the hell cant ahc pay for me to get one,i dont think its a vanity thing, itll be totally functional ,
plus maybe itll keep them nasty squirrels from trying to steal my nuts if i got a huge stick standing guard | |
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| Should AHC cover sex changes?
Posted: 4/16/2009 8:19:39 PM |
if i want a giant pecker to help me haul around my damned bath towel , why the hell cant ahc pay for me to get one,i dont think its a vanity thing, itll be totally functional ,
plus maybe itll keep them nasty squirrels from trying to steal my nuts if i got a huge stick standing guard
Okay, that was funny  | |
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| Should AHC cover sex changes?
Posted: 4/16/2009 9:00:23 PM | Since I know someone who had to undergo a sex change operation and from speaking to this person I totally believe it is a medical condition and should be covered.
"He" went through 40 years of hell before finally having the surgery. This person was born without a sexual organ (no penis and no vagina) and the solution back then was for the parents to decide which sex to make the baby and the doctors performed surgery to make the baby a boy because they wanted a son. The boy then grew up as a boy but always felt like a girl. Teenage years came along and he didn't get a deep voice, didn't grow facial hair and simply did not have the right male hormones to do this so the solution to the doctors was to give him hormones to make him get a deep voice, grow facial hair etc. Then confusion came because then he thought maybe he was gay because he was attracted to boys. Turns out he should have been a girl all along. Next came years of sorting it all out and then years of sessions to ensure the operation is what needed to be done. Doctors came to the conclusion that he was indeed sane and gave him the surgery. "She" is now happy and married. Even got her birth certificate changed to say "female".
Oh, and she explained the surgical procedure to me and even explained how successful sex was after surgery (yes, he had sex as a man before the surgery). It turns out the penis can be formed into a vagina with a clitoris so orgasms are normal. (guess girls and boys are not that different afterall, our parts are just shaped differently but they work the same and feel the same pleasures). (sorry maybe too much information)
I have also seen a tv special about this and they followed the lives of children born this way in North America and in Europe. Europeans handled it way better. In Europe when children are born this way, they do not assign a sex until the child is older and grows into the correct sex on their own. Those people turned out way more adjusted and happy. In North America doctors demanded the parents pick a sex and hoped for the best, then forced the child to live as the chosen sex.
It's nothing like having your breasts enlarged or getting a penis extension. Perhaps if people would take the time to read up on this condition it would be more understood and people would be less judgemental.
Could it be that men who overreact to anything to do with anything other than heterosexuality or anything that involves the penis (sex changes, being gay, etc) could be a little homophobic? | |
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Posted: 4/16/2009 9:16:07 PM | Man, I love a good****joke, especially the second time around. Anyway, Gender Identity Disorder probably has something to do with genetics rather than personal choice. Here's something from the Merck Report for all you wiki-hataz,
"Theories suggest it is caused by genetic abnormalities, endocrine problems like a testosterone or estrogen imbalance in the womb, social factors like parenting or some combination of issues"
People with this disorder often can't lead normal lives, commit suicide, etc. It's not as bad as other genetic maladies like Muscular Dystrophy (I guess it might be worse if suicide is a symptom). But it's definitely a lot worse than color blindness. Maybe it's about the same as Prader Willi, or Turret's Syndrome. If you think ahc funding isn't warranted, that's fine. But it's not a chosen disorder. Apologies for bringing facts into a Q&A forum. | |
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| Should AHC cover sex changes?
Posted: 4/16/2009 9:42:08 PM | | Thanks for posting that mon cherie. I think I saw that program too. It's what I based my opinion on earlier in this thread, although I didn't go and find any info to post to back it up. (Thank you too OMG) I know I've heard of cases where babies are born without a distinct gender. Some are born with a penis AND ovaries. It happens a lot more frequently than we can imagine and parents then make a life altering decision. Many times the parents keep it to themselves and nothing is said to anyhone about it, not even the child. They are not homosexual - (which would be a lot simpler) They are the wrong sex! It must be horrendous for these children as they grow up, never feeling "right". | |
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Posted: 4/16/2009 9:49:03 PM | -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Thank you mon cherie. And I think perhaps you are correct:
Could it be that men who overreact to anything to do with anything other than heterosexuality or anything that involves the penis (sex changes, being gay, etc) could be a little homophobic?
I believe you are very correct ! Thanks again.
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Thanks OMG, it definately is not a easy problem and there are no easy solution.
But it's not a chosen disorder. Apologies for bringing facts into a Q&A forum.
Don't apologize, I at least appreciate it.
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| Should AHC cover sex changes?
Posted: 4/16/2009 11:01:00 PM | No no.. you should apologize for many reasons...
To OMG
such as insulting people...
acting superior when you are indeed inferior...
but most.. certainly... insulting posters and then trying to be cool...
you sir are an ass.
(sorry, I may have turrets) | |
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Posted: 4/17/2009 4:22:27 AM |
This person was born without a sexual organ (no penis and no vagina)
well thats a different issue. . slightly different than someone with an existing identity
Oh, and she explained the surgical procedure to me and even explained how successful sex was after surgery (yes, he had sex as a man before the surgery
so which is it. did this person have an organ or not? your story is a tad contradictive here
Perhaps if people would take the time to read up on this condition it would be more understood and people would be less judgemental.
once again , this thread isnt about transexuality and its relevance , its about us footing thre bill for cosmetic surgery | |
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| Should AHC cover sex changes?
Posted: 4/17/2009 6:08:31 AM | People can argue until they're blue in the face about the issues surrounding transgender...the point here is not whether or not the 'condition' is real.
The issue is, should taxpayers foot the bill for the surgery.
That's the only issue.
I understand perfectly all of the issues and arguments and I understand perfectly that this is a real medical condition that people are indeed born with....but.....my opinion is that gender reassignment surgery is indeed elective surgery. For lack of a better term, it is a 'cosmetic' procedure.
Those born transgender can function with the genitalia they were born with.....they are not going to die if they do not have the surgery, they can live a 'normal' life without the surgery. They can have sex, they can get married, they can have children.
They may not have chosen the condition they have, but they do choose whether or not to have the surgery. | |
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| Should AHC cover sex changes?
Posted: 4/17/2009 6:32:41 AM | Gee, after all the bickering, I almost hate to post my opinion.... but ....
I do sympathize with those who "feel they are in the wrong body" ... it can't be nice for them. But, if AHC is going to start slashing services, I can see why they would start here.... even moreso than the chiropractic services which I know many people count on to get them (physically) through the week.
Since abortions were brought into the conversation, I'd like to add that the government may be wise to fund abortions, since many of those who have it done would be the more likely ones to seek future funding for their unwanted children. Also, the poor girls/women who are victims of rape and/or incest NEED this procedure done ... affordability should not be an issue for them. But then, if a girl who is not a "victim" comes back for a second, they should have the right to tie the tubes at the same time....
The sad part is that the whole AHC could cut back in other areas ... such as not doing unnecessary autopsies, limiting doctor visits (weed out the hypochondriacs), not allowing "non-emergency" people into the emergency rooms, making more products available "over the counter" ... even some penicillin.... etc etc etc etc
Employers who require a doctor's note for their employees (even when they miss one day) create a bit of a burden on the system as well ... making people with simple flus / colds / stomach-aches go to the doctor, so AHC gets billed for every unnecessary visit.
But, back to the point ... while transgender surgeries may be "needed" for those few people, where does it fall on the list of "priorities" for the general population?
(I think Albertans are going to seriously regret allowing the government to drop the user fees ... not that we had a choice... but if they have to cut back so many services, why would they do so?? (USA "healthcare", here we come?) | |
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Posted: 4/17/2009 7:12:46 AM |
The sad part is that the whole AHC could cut back in other areas ... such as not doing unnecessary autopsies, limiting doctor visits (weed out the hypochondriacs), not allowing "non-emergency" people into the emergency rooms, making more products available "over the counter" ... even some penicillin.... etc etc etc etc
Bang on! A friend who's chronic asthmatic and has been most of his life, needs a doctor's note to get his inhaler prescription.
Like the same lass also says, look south. This is just a small step that'll offend an extreme minority so it's unlikely to meet much opposition. A small user fee lauded to weed out hypochondriacs is likely in the not too distant future too. (that'd be one I kinda support) I'm surprised to see them hit bonecrackers already though as they're likely to hear that one.
OT: I feel cases like cherie cites should be covered, but that there're higher priorities than most of the cases in question. | |
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| Should AHC cover sex changes?
Posted: 4/17/2009 5:41:46 PM | Janalta said it all...
Calling heterosexuals homophobic is just another crutch and guilt trip to lay on others simply because they differ in their opinions... | |
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