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Posted: 6/14/2009 8:12:57 PM | Lakers win....Who cares?  | |
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Posted: 6/14/2009 8:13:20 PM | Jack, L.A. clearly won this series, but I think you are forgetting about a ref named Tim Donaghy. Remember him? He was the NBA ref who fixed games? Now I'm not saying every ref in the NBA is corrupt, or that there aren't some decent refs in the NBA, but thanks to Tim Donaghy no matter how badly another team gets outplayed you will always hear cries that the fix is in, by fans of the team that lost
David Stern has always faced allegations of pressuring refs to make favorable calls for superstars and favoring big market teams. So now every NBA conspiracy theorist has an ace in the hole with the Tim Donaghy scandal.
I don't believe every NBA game has been fixed, but I'm not naive enough to believe that Donaghy was just an isolated incident either of "one rouge ref," as Stern called him..... | |
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Posted: 6/14/2009 9:34:51 PM | Andrew, I understand... But the problem with that is, he was an individual who rigged games he called, to win bets... it wasn't for any one team. He didn't have a team in the fight... only his greed. It didn't make the game crooked, only he was crooked. And yes there can be more bad or crooked refs... in the NBA or anything else. But as individuals, it would be too difficult for an organized NBA sanctioned illegal officiating ring.
Look at the 5th foul on Howard tonight, (that was taken away and given to Lewis) he clearly fouled Kobe on that, was someone else in the area... yes, but he was the one that jumped on Kobe's back as Kobe passed him in the lane... but they gave they foul to someone else.... because he had four and five would get him out of the game, which it did, because even Van Gundy knew he fouled Kobe.
But does it matter? sure if your the Lakers and it's a close game you want to get him fouled out, but the fact that the league wants to try and keep the best players in the game isn't a big bad thing, I don't think they have gotten carried away.
Now Andrew, I know you have played some ball, so you know, it's like driving... we speed a lot... but hope we don't get caught, but when we do we complain... the same with basketball. It depends on how close the refs call the game, they could probable call a foul on every possession... where as they might just let them play and call nothing.
There will always be fouls called and there will always be one side that agrees with the call, and the other that didn't.
I just don't find it right when fans want to try and take away a win from a team by saying it's because of the officials. Or better yet those who believe that the only reason the Lakers won this Championship, was because the officials were in the tank for them.
It's just not accurate.
I will say I was hoping for one more game, but glad LA won... and especially for Kobe,,, and the rest of the players. | |
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Posted: 6/14/2009 10:11:54 PM | SOOOO happy the Lakers have reclaimed their status as Champions! No surprise that Kobe was named MVP, but in my eyes, Fish was the life saver, especially in game 4. He (along with Horry when he was a Laker) is always the go-to-guy when the Lakers are down and in desperate need of some 3's. He is such a hustler and such a solid player...the real deal.
I know Pau is stellar, but man, does he need help on his free throws as well as a more consistant hook. He is no Kareem, but he pulled his weight this series.
Finally, I can't believe the fines against Phil for his comments about the refs in game 4. So stupid. Seriously, some of those calls were so completley faux I was left screaming at the TV! Since when is it a crime to speak your mind against unfair calls?! Oh well. We are living in a tough economic climate, so whatever it takes to earn a buck, right?
GO LAKERS, GO!  | |
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Posted: 6/14/2009 11:45:29 PM | Jack, yeah I agree that a mass cabal of refs to fix NBA games is ludicrous. But all it takes is one crooked ref to affect the outcome of a game, not a cabal. Tim Donaghy was able to affect the outcome of many games he officiated, and while he didn't care who won, just as long as he covered his bets, I assure you the fans of the playoff games he was involved in cared.
I don't blame people who question whether the NBA is fixed. I'm a Suns fan and I question every playoff game Donaghy reffed in which the Suns were involved. And forget what I said above, Donaghy was so crooked who knows if he did or didn't have a team in the fight, as you say. I just highly doubt he was "one rouge ref" is my main point.
I'm sure he will write a book, and while I won't buy it and give any money to this crook and liar, it still might be interesting. | |
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| NBA Playoffs...Laker Fan
Posted: 6/15/2009 1:45:56 AM | Andrew, I'm actually a Nash fan... and a Cardinals fan, can't wait until Matt Leinart improves enough to take over for Warner, who you have to admire. And yes... I'm a Big SC football fan.
As far as the refs.... Still, like I said I understand. But I don't think you can worry about that and think it's happening. Because it can be an umpire , or an NFL official... I mean the list is endless who can be crooked and ruin a game or series.
I'm not trying to be naive... just know that it would be better to not think it's happening and then find out it did, and be bummed at that moment... than go through life being bummed that you think all of the officials are crooked... or could be.
But thats just me. | |
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Posted: 6/15/2009 3:53:19 AM | Laker fans cause havoc and 25 are arrested clashing with police
http://www.optimum.net/Sports/AP/Article?articleId=572525&categoryId=39 | |
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Posted: 6/15/2009 4:48:39 AM | Laker fans cause havoc and 25 are arrested clashing with police
Child's play compared to soccer fans world wide. The newest thing in soccer is fire and flares. When a ref blows a call the fans set the seats on fire and sholf flares at the offending team. How nice! Yes soccer fans kill each other! | |
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Posted: 6/15/2009 5:13:10 AM | I don't think the Magic will ever recouperate from game 4 up by 5 points playing at home have the ball with 50 seconds to play in the game and still lose.
At least the games were closer than the series indicated. | |
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Posted: 6/15/2009 5:21:50 AM | The Cav's will try and pick up Shaq to keep from losing Lebron James next year.
The 2008-2009 Orlando Magic team is snake biten. | |
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Posted: 6/15/2009 7:47:12 AM | | Will Jackson and Ariza be back with the Lakers ,and does anyone here think the MVP was awarded to the wrong player? | |
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Posted: 6/15/2009 10:04:16 AM | If your asking if Kobe should have won MVP or not for this Championship series... it's a no brainer.
But yes, did he have help, a lot of help... Ariza, Odom, Gasol and Fisher,... all had a lot to offer and probably did things that eventually you could point a finger at certain plays that won certain games... Like Fish's 3's in game four as well as Ariza's 13 points in the 3rd. Odom and Gasol as well... but even Bynum showed up in the finals, did he out play Howard? NO but he played well enough along with Gasol to keep Howard from taking over the series.
It's like I say, It takes a team effort, it takes that 2nd and 3rd best player on the team to step up, it takes that x factor like an Odom, and it takes a bench, not to blow it while the starters rest.
Kobe got his points, he took over the games but he also kept everyone involved and is truly the team leader and was the MVP of the playoffs. I actually think all of the Lakers showed up in the finals...
So did the Magic... they are tough in the paint, and can shoot lights out around that 3 point line. They just weren't quit there yet. If Cleveland gets a player like Shaq or a guard like Chris Paul to help Lebron... it will be Orlando, Cleveland and Boston going hard at it again next year in the east.
And believe me, if Houston gets everyone healthy and have Yao, McGrady and Artest, Houston, Portland, Denver and LA will be all tough in the west. | |
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Posted: 6/15/2009 10:23:06 AM | "I feel a big monkey off my back"
"I just wont have to answer those stupid questions anymore"
quotes from Kobe Bryant...
This proves what I have said all along. Kobe wanted to win without Shaq, it was killing him.
anyway,
Lakers knew how to win, vet players like fish stepped up when needed...
I hate the lakers, I hate Kobe Bryant, but all I can do is tip my cap...congrats...
My Nuggets will give you a run for your money next year.... | |
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Posted: 6/15/2009 11:00:05 AM | Jack,I know Kobe deserves lot of the credit but my vote definitely goes to Ariza. Ariza stole the ball in the first two games that actually won both games for the Lakers. Then he stepped up in games 3 and 4 playing defense and scoring. I think Ariza was so overlooked and all eyes were on Kobe because of the issue he couldn't win without Shaq. I never have believed Shaq was Mr Basketball. If a team has Phil Jackson coaching they will win. Jackson knows talent so well ,and the thing most miss that Jackson doesn't miss is he can apply his game plan and instill it in a manner everyone accepts it and play to their potential and some above it.
I don't believe Chris Paul will sign with Cleveland. The Hornets have clearly said Chris Paul belongs and they intend to resign him. Of course, the big question remains ;Will he resign or join a team that's very young. I know this may be a bit far feteched but it's possible he could sign with a team like Oklahoma or it's possible a team like Houston.
Speaking of McGrady,I think he may have one good year left if he can start the season and remain injury free. | |
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Posted: 6/15/2009 12:11:52 PM | SKid
I'm a huge Ariza fan, as well as Odom. I think the Lakers all around have great talent, and it is Ariza stepping up and making his big plays, as well as Odom, and Fish who had disappeared for awhile, but came up big in the finals. I think the Lakers as a unit played big in the finals, they obviously fixed the complacency that they had.
But even though Ariza made huge plays and was consistent for the most part, a dozen key plays won't out weigh all of the things Kobe did to get the Lakers this Championship. And look, I know it seems I keep sticking up for Kobe, I do think he is a great player.. But I'm not a Kobe lover, I'm a Lakers fan and I know his contribution.
The Lakers might have won without Ariza... they might have won without Odom, or Fish or Gasol...
But they wouldn't have won without Kobe. He makes the plays and gets the doubles to get the other guys involved. I'm thankful that the other guys stepped up and made their plays when they needed to.
And BroncsBuff, I'm sure Denver will be tough again next year, I really like Melo, and hope for your sake Chauncy still has some good years ahead.... I'm sure he still has some gas in his tank.
That quote you're talking about... sure he's glad he has one without Shaq... Everyone keeps saying he can't win without Shaq, of course he wants to shut them up and can finally move on without all that crap. But that doesn't mean he doesn't believe personally that he was just as important to the Lakers as Shaq was winning those rings.
It's just like now... Kobe couldn't do it all alone. This is a Lakers Championship, Kobe is the MVP but he had a lot of help... Arize, Odom and Gasol... as well as the rest.
Shaq had his success because they had a Kobe... Howard would be more successful when one of their guys steps up and can be that guy. Hedo is good, Lewis is good and there are others... But once they have that other great player to play along side Howard they will be even more competitive. It worked for Boston. It's what Cleveland needs. If Shaq would be traded to Cleveland and play with Lebron... would it have to be Lebron's team or Shaq's team... It takes having more than one key player to win Championships. | |
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Posted: 6/15/2009 1:30:27 PM | The Cav's will try and pick up Shaq to keep from losing Lebron James next year.
Does The King want the big man? Imagine the Cav's winning with Shaq only to have him run his big mouth and proclaim the Cav's won it all due to the big man. Will the king share the spot light with the Shaq? | |
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| NBA Playoffs...Laker Fan
Posted: 6/15/2009 2:04:47 PM | Kobe was the MVP, but Ariza was the most impressive. I wouldn't say I'm a hardore NBA fan but I do follow it, and I knew very little of Trevor Ariza's game. He definitely showed that he is a big time player and someone who could be Kobe's Scottie Pippen.
And if Orlando is going to win a championship Howard is going to need to develop some low post moves. He was impresssive for most of the playoffs, but the Lakers showed what can happen when you rely soley on your athletic ability. He is the best center in the game, (Yao just can't stay heathly) but he will need to develop 1 or 2 go to moves, that aren't dunks, for Orlando to take that next step.
And anybody who wasn't impressed with Hedo in these playoffs wasn't following the Magic close enough. The guy can play and he played just as well, if not better than Howard in the playoffs. It will be interesting to see if continues to play like an All-Star, or only plays at the level occassionaly. | |
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Posted: 6/15/2009 4:19:35 PM | Kobe was def the MVP,, why is that a question?
Hopefully this same team stays in tact to give us another shot at a dynasty.
I see back-to-back as long as everyone is healthy and hopefully more.
Next year I want the pay back on a healhty celts. Hopefully they can rise to the occasion.
Hedo was damn impressive, that guy is lights out shooter. For their sake they better sign him.D12 had a mental breakdown, where did rashard lewis who used to kill LA go?
It will be interesting to see if hedo gets paid, or maybe goes to play with james?
Cavs/ james needs help in order to get past a healthy Celts.
I hope shaq goes to the cavs and helps them the way he helped the suns become a contender. 
Anyone hear what Van Gundy had to say?
La best in the league, and DAMN GOOD .
See you guys next year in the finals. | |
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Posted: 6/15/2009 4:35:00 PM | word up on all that sytw.....CP3 to cle? Why would you do that when Bron has the handle all the time, to throw lobs to verejo?
And Shaq, I just got to laugh, well if you want to turn the fast break into the slow thud and cram the key where Bron likes to drive, just go right ahead...horrible desperation move and a nightmare for Howard. (see pho)
Anyway great show by the entire team, just for the hell of it, I will give the mvp to dfish for that one shot, o for 5, 0 for the season, and then booom! | |
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Posted: 6/15/2009 6:34:26 PM |
'boringest' NBA championship game ever played
Maybe to you being your Celtics were not playing
Phil Jackson won 10th championship. Big deal!!
How many couches can say that in the NBA?
Celtics are still ahead of Lakers in total NBA championships.
Wow, your sounding like a Yankee fan now, a little bragging are we?
Celtics 17 NBA Final Championships
Lakers 15 NBA Final championships | |
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Posted: 6/15/2009 9:35:18 PM |
Phil Jackson won 10th championship. Big deal!! Red Auerback won 8 championships in a row. Try that, Mr. Jackson. And how many teams Mr Jackson had to play with to get this 10 wins?
Nothing like breaking a revered record to bring the haters out.
First, who's Red Auerback, and what Little League titles did he win, lol? There WAS a coach named AUERBACH who won some NBA titles in Boston. But the question remains, could he have done it in the era of free agency, "it's all about me" attitudes and the salary cap, instead of the reserve clause era which essentially kept great players stuck on one team? Probably. The man was a great coach.
Auerbach won 9 titles in 17 seasons as coach of the Celtics (1950-67). Phil Jackson has won 10 titles in the past 19 years...but only 17 seasons (2 year sabbatical, remember?). Jackson did it with two teams (Bulls, Lakers)...which means he had to rebuild twice, not once. Don't buy that "ready made" team BS, after the first year it's all yours, and if the coach before you was any good he'd still be there. Speaking of which, everyone says Phil only coached teams with superstars, but so far he's only coached 3, maybe 4 (not sure about Pippen) Hall of Famers. Auerbach coached 9 in the same period of time...and thanks to the reserve clause they couldn't leave unless they were traded. Only 2 were.
Phil didn't win 8 in a row, but if Jordan hadn't decided to make a fool of himself on the baseball diamond, that may well have happened. Six out of eight is still impressive.
Finally is Jackson's 10th a "big deal"? I'd say so...since no one else coaching in any of the Big Four pro sports leagues has ever done it.  | |
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Posted: 6/15/2009 11:42:16 PM | | ^^^^ I couldn't have said it any better..... All I can say is.... Nice post | |
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Posted: 6/16/2009 1:19:01 AM |
but if Jordan hadn't decided to make a fool of himself on the baseball diamond, that may well have happened.
this should be reworded to say...If he hadn't got suspended, then maybe it might have happened...
Jordan was never gonna get suspended, EVER, so he decided to "play baseball"...yea sure...cough cough...just remember, Jordan gambling habits is no big secret... | |
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Posted: 6/16/2009 7:37:16 AM | | A ring in each finger is actually quite impressive....Even though, I hate the Lakers and wanted them to lose. I did like it when Jackson was with the Bulls. | |
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Posted: 6/16/2009 9:02:07 AM | Here's some more facts below....and to all you cowards, I am a laker fan, but I have no reason to hate on other teams just because they are successful, I thought Bos was a great team last year, Denver, Orl, much respect....but go ahead and choke on it, says alot about you.....keep trying to bash the Lakers organization, I have a feeling you're in for a couple more years of sustained misery.
>>>1. How many teams were in the league during the celtics 9 out of 10 run?
1956-60: 8 teams
1961-65: 9 teams
6 teams made the playoffs, with the top teams in the East and West getting a bye in the division semi-finals.
>>>3. How many other teams were actually competitive, great organizations in those days?
Other teams had talent. Some examples:
Lakers: Jerry West, Elgin Baylor, Rudy LaRusso...
Philadelphia 76ers: Wilt Chamberlain, Hal Greer, Paul Arizin, Al Attles, Chet Walker, Billy Cunningham
Cincinatti Royals: Oscar Robertson, Jerry Lucas, Wayne Embry, Happy Hairston
SF Warriors: Rick Barry, Nate Thurmond, Al Attles
NY Knicks: Willis Reed, Walt Bellamy
St. Louis Hawks: Lenny Wilkins, Bob Pettit, Bill Bridges, Cliff Hagan
Syracuse Nationals: Dolph Schayes, Hal Greer,****Barnett
Celtics deserve credit for dominating the league those years, but like everything else related, comparisons between then and now is mostly mental diarrhea. | |
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