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 dancecard

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We should ALL admire George Bush
Posted: 9/24/2009 9:39:40 PM
Why do you think Health Care is Obama's Main Focus right now?


Many will say ~ why not jobs!!! Jobs now! It was as recent as last December it was perceived that the condition of our economy was fundamentally sound. ~ So from then to now ~ perception has changed a lot. ~ There again, I use the word perception ! Many today perceive Obama wrong in focusing on health care ~ but there again that's just someone's perception.

This "question you ask " has been addresses many times, many must not agree or just are not getting it.

So here we go ~ one more time.

Just like the oil industry that is huge and demands a large portion of Americans income

so is and does health care.

Bright minds are hard at work now, in the planning stages of the distribution and production of "all" electrical power creation. Power has little value if you can't get it where it needed. They speak of a unified grid management system that will connect most all of North America. Wind generation is most effective where there is an abundance of wind but the demand for power could well be somewhere else. Solar? the same way. Nuclear? no different. Hydro? same issue.

T Bone Pickens along with many other progressive thinker are thinking years ahead and what will be needed in the future . Today we have started prepare for this need. At present, this ambitious project requires lawyers, scientists, design engineers, surveyors, etc. ~ So, many jobs have yet to be created in this effort and it will require sometime before this does happen, but it will.

Also, this will slow our dependency of foreign crude oil and slow the flow of US dollars leaving the country. It's something that must be done and the sooner the better for the sake of a stronger nation of free people.

Until this major project kick into effect , there are other things we can do to address both current and future needs of the nation.

Getting old less efficient cars off the road. Give people incentives to buy new ones with new auto rebates , Detroit and Tennessee auto workers stays employed and we buy less foreign crude and the American people save cash.

Bail-outs was like bad dose of medicine , we didn't want to do it but unemployment would have hurt us worse. Unemployed people pay "little" income taxes. If we don't have a strong banking system, business grinds to a halt.

To grow and build personal wealth or as a nation requires us to spend less then we make.
And when I say "WE" I mean "us" working, tax paying Americans. Things that we "must" have should fit inside our ability to buy them. If a gallon of gasoline cost us $7.00 per gallon we could not afford to buy it, unless we can somehow adjust for it. Higher wages? Live closer to work, carpool, etc. ~ So an adjustment would be required for the disparity. Down size , move in with the folks, quit eating so often. Get three jobs.

While perhaps you and I might not require or even thinking about the cost of health care at this point and time in "our" lives, many others do. People will offer us that the cost of health care is and has been for some 15 years on a stead climb, some say, 5 times the rate increase of wages for most American. It is just another expense that is seen as being out of control and becoming more and ever more out of the buying power of more Americans . At some point in time, you too will reguire health care. Maybe not today ~ or even this year~ but your day will surly come.

This disparity of wages and the cost of health care is what's being discussed and why Obama's administration addresses it now.

For it too ~ is a huge industry like the oil industry, having many parts and can suck us dry to the point to where we really work for them.

There is a lot of side issue in play but that's the focus of this administrations effort with health care reform.

~ from now on ~ I'm just going to copy and paste this ~ if any one else wish to explain the young mans question better the I, I'd be most pleased and grateful.

Dance
 etourdi77

Joined: 7/7/2009
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Posted: 9/24/2009 11:28:40 PM
"Why do you think Health Care is Obama's Main Focus right now?"
1. Because Obamas ego drives his agenda, he wants to be the President who brought about Health Care Reform, while he his Pary has the majority he has to get it done before 2010 just in case....
2. Because his "Stimulus" Plan is failing and Health Care reform distracts the masses.
3. Because he is Foreign policy is a Joke and Health care reform distracts the masses.
4. Because he is turning his back on many of our allies and Health care reform distracts the masses.
5. Because Unemployment is rising everyday and he has no idea what the heck he is doing when it comes to the Economy and Health care reform distracts the masses.

Its interesting how few see the correlation between unemployment and the lack of Health Care insurance, seems suspicious to me that Obama is concentrating more on pushing Health Care reform than he is on lowering Unemployment. I guess that falls right into the philosophy of his administration a Good crisis shouldn't be wasted.....
 hard starboard

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Posted: 9/25/2009 3:41:22 AM
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 hard starboard

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Posted: 9/25/2009 3:56:20 AM

^^In all seriousness, I think you're either misunderstanding the information presented to you (out in the world, I don't mean on PoF) or you're just choosing to make up random opinions which are contrary to facts that are easily obtainable.

What are you saying, that I should stop watching CNN?
Ever since Rather left, you just can't find good information that you can trust anymore. Are you implying that information presented on PoF is more factual?
 dancecard

Joined: 3/19/2006
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Posted: 9/25/2009 6:37:36 AM
The factual truth is ~ Your question is flawed.

>>"Why do you think Health Care is Obama's Main Focus right now?"<<

Obama has set this into play and he is permitting it to be chewed on by congress and later by the senate. It appears to be "their" main focus not his.

Obama has moved on , with other matters of state. Business of Washington has never been a "one man show" ~

Yesterday it became clear knowledge to the world community with hard evidence that Iran has been engaging in Nuclear military application. Threating balance of power in the region and being disingenuous with their intentions.

This has all world leader attention today.

As for Dan Rather, I never cared for the man personally, he was an aggorant and crass man. He was rough on people he considered underlings . But he served a function. You are not required to love biting watch dogs , you just need to know your dog. This applies to all of our investigative commentary reporters.

I listen to all of them, read their books ~ I offer to you ~you only need to know your dog. Liking or agreeing does not enter into it.

It's that acorn of truth that you are looking for. So learn their bark!

Even Glenn Beck! as insane as he seems to be ~ can offer you some insight.

The louder some bark the better I like it.

But we are getting off topic here.

Feel find to admire George Bush if you wish, for there is honor among thieves. Even a baby monster has a mother that love "it" dearly.

~~ if you've got the mind for it ~ can understand the information presented~ the figure show us we are slowing down this "job loss" cycle we have been going through since the 4th quarter of 2008.

For release 10:00 a.m. (EDT) Friday, September 18, 2009 USDL-09-1126

Technical information:
Employment: (202) 691-6559 * sminfo@bls.gov * www.bls.gov/sae
Unemployment: (202) 691-6392 * lausinfo@bls.gov * www.bls.gov/lau

Media contact: (202) 691-5902 PressOffice@bls.gov


REGIONAL AND STATE EMPLOYMENT AND UNEMPLOYMENT -- AUGUST 2009


Regional and state unemployment rates were generally little changed in
August. Twenty-seven states and the District of Columbia reported over-
the-month unemployment rate increases, 16 states registered rate decreases,
and 7 states had no rate change, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics re-
ported today. Over the year, jobless rates increased in all 50 states and
the District of Columbia. The national unemployment rate rose to 9.7 per-
cent in August, up 0.3 percentage point from July and 3.5 points from
August 2008.

In August, nonfarm payroll employment decreased in 42 states and the
District of Columbia and increased in 8 states. The largest over-the-
month decrease in the level of employment occurred in Texas (-62,200),
followed by Michigan (-42,900), Georgia (-35,000), and Ohio (-30,100).
Hawaii and Michigan experienced the largest over-the-month percentage
decreases in employment (-1.1 percent each), followed by Georgia and
Mississippi (-0.9 percent each), North Dakota (-0.8 percent), and
Alabama (-0.7 percent). The largest over-the-month increases in employ-
ment occurred in North Carolina (+7,000), Montana (+5,100), and West
Virginia (+2,800). Montana (+1.2 percent) experienced the largest over-
the-month percentage increase in employment, followed by West Virginia
(+0.4 percent) and North Carolina (+0.2 percent). Over the year, nonfarm
employment decreased in 49 states and increased in North Dakota and the
District of Columbia. The largest over-the-year percentage decreases oc-
curred in Michigan (-7.9 percent), Arizona (-7.4 percent), Nevada (-6.5
percent), and Georgia and Indiana (-6.0 percent each). The District of
Columbia (+0.3 percent) and North Dakota (+0.2 percent) reported the only
over-the-year percentage increases.

Regional Unemployment (Seasonally Adjusted)

In August, the West reported the highest regional jobless rate, 10.6 percent,
followed by the Midwest, 10.0 percent. The Northeast recorded the lowest rate,
9.0 percent, and was the only region with a statistically significant over-
the-month rate change (+0.3 percentage point). All four regions experienced
significant unemployment rate increases from August 2008, the largest of
which was in the West (+4.1 percentage points). (See table 1.)

Among the nine geographic divisions, the Pacific and East North Central had
the highest unemployment rates in August, 11.6 and 11.1 percent, respectively.
The Pacific rate was the highest in its series. (All region, division, and
state series begin in 1976.) The divisions registering the lowest jobless
rates were the West North Central, 7.5 percent, and West South Central, 7.8
percent. The Middle Atlantic and Pacific were the only divisions to experi-
ence statistically significant over-the-month unemployment rate changes (+0.4
and +0.3 percentage point, respectively). All nine divisions had significant
over-the-year rate increases, with the largest change occurring in the Pacific
(+4.5 percentage points). Two other divisions also experienced increases of
4.0 percentage points or more--the East North Central and East South Central
(+4.2 percentage points each).

State Unemployment (Seasonally Adjusted)

Fourteen states and the District of Columbia reported jobless rates of at
least 10.0 percent in August. Michigan continued to have the highest unem-
ployment rate among the states, 15.2 percent. Nevada recorded the next high-
est rate, 13.2 percent, followed by Rhode Island, 12.8 percent, and Cali-
fornia and Oregon, 12.2 percent each. The rates in California, Nevada, and
Rhode Island set new series highs. North Dakota again registered the lowest
jobless rate, 4.3 percent in August, followed by South Dakota, 4.9 percent,
and Nebraska, 5.0 percent. In total, 27 states posted jobless rates signifi-
cantly lower than the U.S. figure of 9.7 percent, 11 states and the District
of Columbia had measurably higher rates, and 12 states had rates that were
not appreciably different from that of the nation. (See tables A and 3.)

Six states reported statistically significant over-the-month unemployment
rate increases in August. New Mexico experienced the largest of these (+0.5
percentage point), followed by New Jersey, New York, and Oregon (+0.4 point
each) and California and Iowa (+0.3 point each). The District of Columbia
also recorded a significant rate increase (+0.5 percentage point). Four
states had measurable rate decreases over the month--Indiana (-0.7 percent-
age point), Colorado (-0.5 point), and Kansas and Virginia (-0.4 point each).
The remaining 40 states registered August rates that were not measurably dif-
ferent from those of a month earlier, though some had changes that were at
least as large numerically as the significant changes.

In August, Michigan reported the largest unemployment rate increase over the
year (+6.6 percentage points). Three other states had rate changes of more
than 5.0 percentage points: Nevada (+6.2 points), Oregon (+5.7 points), and
Alabama (+5.2 points). All states and the District of Columbia recorded sta-
tistically significant increases in their jobless rates from August 2008, with
the smallest increase occurring in North Dakota (+1.0 percentage point).
(See table B.)

Nonfarm Payroll Employment (Seasonally Adjusted)

Between July and August 2009, 16 states experienced statistically significant
changes in employment. Fifteen states recorded statistically significant over-
the-month decreases led by Texas (-62,200), Michigan (-42,900), Georgia (-35,000),
and Ohio (-30,100). The only statistically significant increase occurred in Mon-
tana (+5,100). (See tables C and 5.)

Over the year, 45 states experienced statistically significant changes in em-
ployment, all of which were decreases. The largest statistically significant
job losses occurred in California (-741,000), Florida (-372,700), Michigan
(-329,900), Illinois (-306,100), Texas (-296,300), Ohio (-272,000), Georgia
(-244,400), and North Carolina (-214,000). The smallest statistically signifi-
cant decreases in employment occurred in Wyoming (-11,800) and Vermont (-12,000).
(See table D.)

_____________
Metropolitan Area Employment and Unemployment for August is scheduled to be
released on Wednesday, September 30, 2009, at 10:00 a.m. (EDT). Regional and
State Employment and Unemployment for September is scheduled to be released on
Wednesday, October 21, 2009, at 10:00 a.m. (EDT).

~~ It's not pretty is it? Well this administration ~ is working on a "LONG TERM" solution and not a jump thru our ass quick fix that won't last, only to please a noisy few.

It called leadership and it's always lonely at the top. I think of Linclon at this moment.

Dance
 JimmyPaige

Joined: 8/6/2009
Msg: 106
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Posted: 9/25/2009 4:01:10 PM
Health care is Obama's main focus because he wants to divert attention away from the economy, and the fact that he's done nothing to rein in Wall St.
 SaharaM

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Posted: 9/25/2009 8:46:00 PM
What a convenient thing to say.

Take a look at the timelines, though, and you will see that this is factually incorrect.
 cjhanz84

Joined: 1/15/2009
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Posted: 9/26/2009 9:06:37 PM
I agree with the statment that it proves anyone with his set of skills can become president. I mean, people like Obama are charismatic and know how to work a crowd and make great speeches. Bush's speeches made him sound like he failed elementary grammar.
 Drusurfer06

Joined: 8/11/2009
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Posted: 9/26/2009 10:55:34 PM
**** George Bush and the Republican Party!!
 Krebby2001

Joined: 6/12/2007
Msg: 110
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Posted: 9/26/2009 11:46:03 PM


Otay, have a blessed day.
 oilhauler

Joined: 4/24/2007
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Posted: 9/27/2009 1:51:04 AM
We'll the more people out of work the more they need the healthcare that they lost.
Just a thought.That might be pushing his agenda.
 Ismene2

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Posted: 9/27/2009 2:06:20 AM
I think the reason he is pushing it is simple: it was a campaign promise and he wants to get it taken care of. For the life of me, I cannot understand the American people's intense resistance to a universal health care program.
 Earthpuppy

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Posted: 9/27/2009 2:51:54 AM
"I cannot understand the American people's intense resistance to a universal health care program."
The resistance is due in great part to a concerted campaign by the Health Care Industrial Complex, to manipulate our cultural autism. Those that have access to health care are convinced that somehow having equal access will automatically mean they have less access, have to share with people they once got to look down upon and feel superior to, and it scares them. Our cultural fear of socialism is deep rooted, particularly in the old white tea bag population you see at the town halls and marches. They grew up during McCarthyism, duck and cover, and the cold war. The HCIC and their agents like Glenn Beck, consistently use Socialism and universal heath care in the same sentence to hit the trigger points of their target audience, who auto respond by jumping up and screaming. It's almost as if they are on drugs...oh wait..most are. The republican party has been the master of manipulating our cultural autism for quite some time. The I GOT MINE crowd respond readily and nastily if they have to share with the lower classes. And there is always lower classes for some. They help make sure of that.
 Ismene2

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Posted: 9/27/2009 3:01:20 AM
The republican party has been the master of manipulating our cultural autism for quite some time. The I GOT MINE crowd respond readily and nastily if they have to share with the lower classes.
The irony is that there are probably just as many lower class republicans as lower class democrats. These people, in believing the republican spin are screwing themselves as much as they are working against the democrats or liberals.
 longhairbadass

Joined: 9/24/2009
Msg: 115
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Posted: 9/27/2009 3:10:02 AM
I think I should be president. I smoked marijuana and I never exhaled.
 Earthpuppy

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Posted: 9/27/2009 3:13:53 AM
"he irony is that there are probably just as many lower class republicans as lower class democrats. These people, in believing the republican spin are screwing themselves as much as they are working against the democrats or liberals."
We have a reliable reserve of people with a lot of buttons that are easily pushed. The "Values Voters" is part of that vast reserve as they plot new hot button issues to manipulate the masses for the larger agenda. When I moved to the US south from a progressive northern state, I was mildly amused at what they called democrats down here. Once the Raygun team started going into the churches handing out hot buttons, the south dutifully shifted red, voting against their self interests on most issues but for the button that pushed them the most. Joe Bageant has a great book on how folks are manipulated to do so.."Deer Hunting with Jesus", if you wish to understand it more.

Here's a list of breakout sessions from this year's Value Voters button farm.
•SPEECHLESS - SILENCING THE CHRISTIANS
•THUGOCRACY - FIGHTING THE VAST LEFT WING CONSPIRACY
•DEFUNDING PLANNED PARENTHOOD
•ACTIVISM AND CONSERVATISM: FIT TO A TEA (PARTY)
•THE THREAT OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION
•OBAMACARE: RATIONING YOUR LIFE AWAY
•MARRIAGE: WHY IT'S WORTH DEFENDING AND HOW REDEFINING IT THREATENS RELIGIOUS LIBERTY
•THE NEW MASCULINITY
•WAIT NO MORE: FINDING FAMILIES FOR WAITING KIDS
•TURNING THE TIDE IN YOUR GENERATION
 TOMic bomb

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Posted: 9/27/2009 9:05:16 AM
the only thing that GW didn't do that i wish he had was seal the borders. all the rest i heartily approved.
 wudger

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Posted: 9/27/2009 12:04:35 PM


yeah that mismanaging the economy into the ground was one of the high points of his administration.



somebody else apparently had some issues with him, too.


'I very much enjoy working for' Obama, Gates says
Posted: September 27th, 2009 01:04 PM ET

From CNN Associate Producer Martina Stewart

WASHINGTON (CNN) – Defense Secretary Robert Gates, who was a prominent member of former President George W. Bush's Cabinet, told CNN that he is enjoying working for Bush's Democratic successor.

In an interview broadcast Sunday on CNN's State of the Union, Gates praised Obama’s approach to decision-making as the nation's commander-in-chief.

"He is very analytical," Gates told CNN Chief National Correspondent John King. "He is very deliberate about the way he goes through things. He wants to understand everything. He delves very deeply into these issues."

Gates, who previously worked for 27 years in the CIA under six presidents, was the first defense secretary to be asked to remain in office by a newly-elected president when Obama kept him on.

The Pentagon chief was diplomatic when comparing Obama to other former occupants of the Oval Office.

"I'm not going to get into comparing the different presidents, Gates said. “I very much enjoy working for this one."
 Krebby2001

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Posted: 9/27/2009 4:52:31 PM


And he knows how to say "nucular" right, to boot! But that's an ad hominem, lest someone point it out.
 Drusurfer06

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Posted: 9/28/2009 2:24:17 AM
Yeah, we had a lot more Republican Presidents in the Cold War than Democratic Presidents.
 RSwindol

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Posted: 9/28/2009 2:30:46 AM

Everyone hates Bush, but actually he is a role model to everyone.

It shows that anyone can become president and become successful regardless of skills, but with the right persuasive and speech skills.

I truly admire Bush, it is indeed a miracle that he stayed in office for 8 years. Obama elected president, big deal, it had to happen someday, but Bush it truly a miracle.

Don't you agree?

I agree with everything the OP except one part. Bush didn't have any speech skills.
 xxxDINOxxx

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Posted: 9/28/2009 12:10:51 PM
^^ That's true. Compared to Bush, whether reading from a teleprompter or just talking off-the-cuff in interviews or what-have-you, Obama comes off as positively professorial by contrast to the (IMO somewhat affected or adopted -- he was actually born in Conneticut) persona of the southern down-home Texan who you'd maybe like to have a shot and a beer with but who's also the "new sheriff" in town.
 Ismene2

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Posted: 9/28/2009 12:14:39 PM
Gomer Pile was more articulate than GW Bush.
 Earthpuppy

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Posted: 9/28/2009 1:06:41 PM
Gomer also had a lot more common sense and a better command of foreign policy.
 Ismene2

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Posted: 9/28/2009 1:15:39 PM

Gomer also had a lot more common sense and a better command of foreign policy.
And he could sing too.
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