| We should ALL admire George Bush
Posted: 10/7/2009 6:27:29 PM | My God, you'll never get it because you refuse to think.
The two parties are meaningless. The Dems are just as much to blame for the economic mess as the GOP, and I could write a book on it.
Do you guys not read?
Why don't you pick up some of the books written by economists?
NOTHING has changed. You have the very same guys in control of the money.
No doubt Bush was incompetent. No argument there.
But Obama is doing all the same things, because it's the same regime in control of the Fed and the Treasury.
Bernanke instead of Greenspan.
Geithner instead of Paulson.
Look, you guys, do you know what a Keynesian is?
I'm talking about thing that are beyond partisanship, and all you talk is left versus right.
Yes, Bush was a royal fu**up. We got it.
What is Obama doing differently? The answer is nothing, and I am not happy to say this. I had some hopes initially that he might come in and clean things up. Those hopes are gone now. It's not gonna happen.
The system doesn't WORK.
Special interests run the show. Follow the money. My God, there are a million websites that deal with the stuff I'm talking about. And there are tons of books as well. I'm not cynical because it's fun, I'm cynical because of what I know to be true.
You can rant about the other "side" all day long, knock yourselves out. What good does it do? | |
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| We should ALL admire George Bush
Posted: 10/7/2009 8:31:31 PM | | George Bush is the kind of guy I'd like to have a beer with, but not the kind of guy I wanted running my country. | |
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| We should ALL admire George Bush
Posted: 10/7/2009 9:35:23 PM | Oh well... If anyone had been dumb enough to to erect a larger-than-life bronze statue of King George in their public square- something akin to the cheap likeness of Saddam Hussein hovering over Baghdad...
Well, I gotta tell ya... Our boys used some heavy ordnance to pull that puppy down...
But I could waltz into your redneck burg with two old Chevy pick-ups and a few feet of chain...
And drag that Bush fvcker to the ground before you could wink... | |
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| We should ALL admire George Bush
Posted: 10/7/2009 11:14:23 PM | MSG 176....
\\You can rant about the other "side" all day long, knock yourselves out. What good does it do? \\ 
Aww... you're spoiling my source of entertainment... 
Don't shatter their illusions and confuse them with the reality of economics...  | |
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| We should ALL admire George Bush
Posted: 10/8/2009 10:37:11 AM | | How come Democrats do not vote as much as Republicans do during elections? and how come Republicans are better at verbally attacking Democrats than the other way around? Because in 2004, Bush attacked Kerry by saying he was unpatriotic for being against the Vietnam War, which Kerry served in, meanwhile Bush and Cheney did not even fight in Vietnam, they were avoiding the draft. | |
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| We should ALL admire George Bush
Posted: 10/8/2009 5:09:16 PM | Kerry and Gore came from the same privilege as lil Bush, but served with honor in their time in Vietnam. Lil Bush hid in Alabama, doing his drugs, and used his family connections to avoid being in harm's way. Kerry had a quote about not avoiding duty at the time in essence saying, that if he did not serve, someone else would have to.
Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz and the PNAC crowd were Chickenhawks, aka Yellow Elephants, who love war when they don't have to deal with the real consequences of it, but through connections got to avoid it personally. I agree that these people need to be brought to justice for war crimes and crimes against democracy and humanity. There is no way to justify these Chickenhawk crimes against the Iraqis, human decency, or democracy. To claim otherwise is suspect, if not complicit. | |
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| We should ALL admire George Bush
Posted: 10/8/2009 5:35:24 PM | | 1 million + dead in Iraq (soldiers and innocent people) in a War that had little to do with weapons of mass destruction and more to do with oil and you think Bush is a rolemodel?? Hmmm......... (holds tongue) | |
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| We should ALL admire George Bush
Posted: 10/8/2009 6:21:01 PM | Earth,
You make a very strong point in that Bush and the neocons had never seen war close up.
For them the idea was think tank perfection; but in reality, a think tank experiment gone wrong. | |
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| We should ALL admire George Bush
Posted: 10/8/2009 7:35:05 PM | The ultimate death toll from lil Bush and the Chickenhawk NeoCons might easily surpass the most egregious despots and Hitlers/Stalins of the past when the final toll is taken.
They only served to make terrorism worse in the world, alienating and empowering people who now despise our Empire more than ever. For every drone attack on a village or wedding party, thousands more "terrorists" are created. The Afghan strategy is another Vietnam, where we will have to allow untold numbers to die before we admit that there is no way to win against people willing to die and kill for their autonomy from an aggressor.
In Iraq, millions will suffer from PTSD for the rest of their lives. Millions more will be dealing with the toxic effects of DU poisoning for generations. Among our troops so carelessly and needlessly tossed into harm's way, hundreds of thousands will also suffer from DU poisoning for generations to come. Hundreds of thousands will be dealing with PTSD for the remainder of their troubled lives. Their families, friends and co-workers will be dealing with the violence, substance abuse, and depression that will tear families apart, lead to homelessness and suicides.
ChickenBush and his cohorts could not care less for the victims of their plans to de-stabilize the middle east for fun and profits and Prophets. While ChickenBush was controlled in great part by the PNAC Chickenhawks, he was also delusional enough to believe that this was the Christian/Zionist role he had to play to bring on the end times, which, in a self full-fillng prophesy, may ultimately lead to the global "nucular" conflagration and their end times.
As Bush told Chirac, "This confrontation is willed by God, who wants to use this conflict to erase his people's enemies before a New Age begins". Bush admitted that he was on "a mission from God" from his fundie handlers who convinced him thusly.
We had a certifiably insane person, with dry drunk fingers on the nuke buttons, manipulating the world stage for other crazy fundies, and only time will tell if the final fuse was lit during that time. Things are destabilized in the middle east to the extent that the genie may never be put back into the bottle after these lunatics, drunk on power, mucked about with impunity...so far. They must be tried. | |
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| We should ALL admire George Bush
Posted: 10/9/2009 6:00:05 AM | He wasn't being advised by fundies. He was advised by neocons who many years before had decided that regime changes and imposed democracy would protect Israel in the long run.
Bush was a patsy, a guy in way over his head, a crappy "C" student, a bungler, a loser....everything that he touched in life turned to sh**, including the USA. | |
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| We should ALL admire George Bush
Posted: 10/9/2009 6:45:53 AM | \\The ultimate death toll from lil Bush and the Chickenhawk NeoCons might easily surpass the most egregious despots and Hitlers/Stalins of the past when the final toll is taken.\\
www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRV8uje4Zto | |
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| We should ALL admire George Bush
Posted: 10/9/2009 6:55:05 AM |
He wasn't being advised by fundies. He was advised by neocons who many years before had decided that regime changes and imposed democracy would protect Israel in the long run.
Bush was a patsy, a guy in way over his head, a crappy "C" student, a bungler, a loser....everything that he touched in life turned to sh**, including the USA.
 Protecting Israel's long-term security was , IMO (as we discussed in an earlier deleted thread), a secondary or tertiary motive in all of it (more of a philosophical or theoretical backdrop to it, IMO), but nonetheless he did certainly fall heavily under the sway of the (now as we know obviously dangerous ) "neo-con" beliefs and theories, along with the sway of those more realpolitik Machiavellian-types like VP Cheney (who were interested in it more for the domination of future oil resources, a strong "base" presence in the region now that Saudi Arabia was going to be scrapped as a base, and personal financial gain; Halliburton to give just one example). But those last two sentences of your above post....spot-on man. Those are just the facts. | |
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| We should ALL admire George Bush
Posted: 10/9/2009 9:18:42 AM | I haven't seen so many bush haters gathered since Elton Johns last soiree!
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Are you the cowboy from the village people? j/k j/k.
Did George Bush's war record ever properly turn up?
wasn there some controversy about it? | |
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| We should ALL admire George Bush
Posted: 10/9/2009 12:21:12 PM | "He wasn't being advised by fundies. He was advised by neocons who many years before had decided that regime changes and imposed democracy would protect Israel in the long run."
Lil Bush WAS advised by fundies as well as NeoCons who considered the fundies to be useful fools. There was much speculation that lil Bush was a Methodist in name only, that he war really more aligned to the Assemblies of God, the Joel's Army armageddon whackjobs. He was pulled by both groups, the NeoCons and his allegiances to the Assemblies dominionists. His last months' great desire to nuke Iran was both part of the Assemblies desire and the NeoCons. Fortunately many of the rats jumped off the sinking ship of Bush as his power slipped, perhaps saving the world from their desired nucular holocaust. If you look at with whom he surrounded himself, it's pretty plain to see that religion drove his agenda.
http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/index.html?s=spusa
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/9/21/145614/144 | |
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| We should ALL admire George Bush
Posted: 10/9/2009 4:08:08 PM | I'm not going to get info about Bush from the Daily Kos. C'mon. I'm not interested in partisan crap.
I prefer Richard Clark and Bob Woodward.
It wasn't the fundies who primarily influenced him, although his religion might well have played some part. In other words, the neocons were able to use him as a patsy BECAUSE of his religious beliefs which caused him to see himself as a protector of Israel, and maybe even doing "Gods' work."
Certainly any leftist organization will blame it on the fundies to take the heat off of Isreal by way of Wolfewitz, Perle, Wormser, Fieth, Rumsfeld, etc.
The fundies were not in the war rooms when the decisions were made.
I trust Clark and Woodward.
Look, I've read volumes about this stuff.
The neocons jumped ship as soon as they saw Iraq was becoming a disaster, and since that time they have backtracked and denied and played all sorts of games to pretend that they had nothing to do with it. But the trail they left behind is well marked, and they had been VERY public about their beliefs before the invasion went sour, so there is a ton of historical evidence that clearly proves that they had a HUGE influence in what went down.
C'mon! Saddam was no threat to the USA! Please!
But he was a DIRECT threat to Israel.
Why do you think that the emphasis shifted so quickly from Afghanistan to Iraq?
CLEARLY the think tank wishes came to fruition on 9/11. These plans were suggested/discussed/written about MANY years before. And yes, this is why the truthers believe what they believe. I can't go that far, because they're nuts. But go back and google what the prime minister of Israel said about 9/11 right after it happened... | |
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| We should ALL admire George Bush
Posted: 10/9/2009 11:46:56 PM | | Saddam Hussein was never a threat at all to the United States, after 9/11 we all acted like as if Saddam Hussein was the next Adolf Hitler or Joseph Stalin, eventhough he was just as brutal as they were, he was not even close to being as militarily powerful as they were. Fighting him would be like the USA is a Bear and Iraq is a Mouse. | |
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| We should ALL admire George Bush
Posted: 10/10/2009 4:28:37 AM | \\Saddam Hussein was never a threat at all to the United States\\
If that were correct, why invade to remove him from power? | |
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| We should ALL admire George Bush
Posted: 10/10/2009 5:12:45 AM | "If that were correct, why invade to remove him from power?"
Oil.
Because our former business partner Saddam was toying with trading in Euros.
Because PNAC thought we needed to take over the world.
Because the American sheeple were in dire need of bloodlust and could not find the real perps of 9/11 or too chicken to invade Saudi Arabia, where most of them came from.
Because Bush had an inferiority complex, trying to be tougher than his daddy.
Because fundie whackos got inside Bush's brain and convinced him of the delusion that he was on a mission from GOD. As the Psychopath in Chief told Chirac, "“Gog and Magog are at work in the Middle East…. The biblical prophecies are being fulfilled…. This confrontation is willed by God, who wants to use this conflict to erase his people’s enemies before a New Age begins.”
Rumsfeld and other handlers knew they were dealing with a delusional religious nutcase and used biblical scriptures on Bush in the buildup to the Iraqi massacre.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/may/18/rumsfeld-gq-iraq-bible-quotes-bush
"One of the top planners of the US war in Iraq gave President George Bush secret intelligence briefs headlined with biblical quotations, in a bid to boost his standing with the deeply religious president but one that risked sparking a conflagration in the Muslim world if the papers leaked.
In the days surrounding the March 2003 invasion of Iraq, US defence secretary Donald Rumsfeld prepared top secret briefing papers for the president adorned with triumphant images of US military personnel and adoring Iraqis, along with the quotes, according to a new article in GQ magazine.
Rumsfeld, said to be personally disinclined toward ostentatious displays of piety, included the quotes because he believed the religious message would appeal to Bush, whom he knew frequently to quote the Bible, journalist Robert Draper wrote."
And last and but not least, the Merican people love the idea of rose petals in the streets and other fake programming. We're gullible, ignorant, and without remorse. | |
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| We should ALL admire George Bush
Posted: 10/10/2009 6:31:55 AM | Bush laid the ground work for Obama's Nobel Prize. Compared to Bush, Obama is a Saint.
Saint George
President George W. Bush was scheduled to visit the Episcopal Church outside Washington as part of his campaign to restore his pathetic poll standings.
His image handler made a visit to the Bishop and said, "We've been getting a lot of bad publicity because of the president's position on stem cell research, the Iraq war, hurricane Katrina, and the Veterans Administration. We'll make a $100,000 contribution to your church if during your sermon you will say that the President is a saint."
The Bishop thought it over for a few moments and finally said, "The Church is desperate for funding - I'll do it."
Bush showed up for the sermon, and the Bishop began:
"I'd like to speak to you all this morning about our President who is a liar, a cheat, and a low-intelligence weasel.
He took the tragedy of September 11 and used it to frighten and manipulate the American people.
He lied about weapons of mass destruction and invaded Iraq for oil and money, causing the deaths of tens of thousands and
making the United States the most hated country on earth.
He appointed cronies to positions of power and influence, leading to widespread death and destruction during Hurricane Katrina.
He awarded contracts and tax cuts to his rich friends so that we now have more poverty in this country and a
greater gap between rich and poor than we've had since the Depression.
He has headed the most corrupt, bribe-inducing political party since Teapot Dome.
The national surplus has turned into a staggering national debt of 7.6 trillion Dollars.
Gas prices are up 85%, which the people of America cannot afford with low minimum wages, part time jobs, no health insurance, and outsourcing.
Vital research into global warming and stem cells is stopped cold because he's afraid to lose votes from religious kooks.
He is the worst example of a true Christian I've ever known, but compared to****Cheney...
George W. Bush is a saint." | |
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| We should ALL admire George Bush
Posted: 10/10/2009 6:36:28 AM | \\Because our former business partner Saddam was toying with trading in Euros\\
Well done warmer.... 
That alone was the reason, pity you didn't expand upon instead of resorting to the usual tirade of looney left rhetoric...  | |
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| We should ALL admire George Bush
Posted: 10/10/2009 6:55:37 AM | | I think that all of the Obama supporters should admire Bush. Without Bush, Obama wouldn't be President or have his neat new Nobel Prize... | |
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| We should ALL admire George Bush
Posted: 10/10/2009 7:59:27 AM | You are making up sh**.
Fundie wackos didn't "get to Bush."
Bush probably WAS a fundie wacko, but that is a major distinction.
You don't know what you're talking about.
Read "Bush At War" and "Against All Enemies."
The NEOCONS were his advisors. The neocons had been wishing for an excuse for a regime change in Iraq. There is AMPLE evidence of this,reams of solid scholarship, and unbiased journalism. There were academic papers written about removing Saddam from power to insure the safety of Israel. "Clean Break" is one of them, and Perle was a co-author. I've read the piece many times over the years. If you read Clean Break there will be no further confusion about who wanted to get rid of Saddam. It's all right there in the think tank article.
Clark says, "Then I realized with almost a sharp pain that Rumsfeld and Wolfewitz were going to take advantage of this national tragedy to promote their agenda about Iraq."
Woodward also mentions that Rumsfeld raised the question of Iraq on Sept.12th, and Wolfewitz also was committed to a policy that would make Iraq the principal target.
Go read some books instead of Wiki articles and partisan crap. Clark is credible, since he was THERE, and Woodward is known for journalistic integrity.
Shortly after 9/11, Netanyahu said that the attack was "Good," and then retracted and said that, "The attack was good for Israel/USA relations."
I don't believe that Israel had anything to do with 9/11.
I'm not a truther.
However, 9/11 fit perfectly into the desire for regime change in Iraq, and the neocons ran with it. Bush was no genius, had no sense of history, and was obviously an easy target. And his Christianity automatically made him sympathetic to Israel. | |
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