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Posted: 3/2/2009 4:47:54 PM | mchurch...you kinda remind me of someone else who used to be on this site.........
nowserving..... and what was his other nic......dunno cause as soon as I called him out, he disappeared.....now you wouldn't be the same person would you? | |
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| CAN A woman TEACH A boy how to be a MAN!
Posted: 3/2/2009 6:22:58 PM |
mchurch...you kinda remind me of someone else who used to be on this site.........
nowserving..... and what was his other nic......dunno cause as soon as I called him out, he disappeared.....now you wouldn't be the same person would you?
No... was not me... I've had this one for a little while now.... but this is the first one I've had.... Now I'm wondering, am I being complimented, or insulted by reminding you of someone else, or just neutral...? | |
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Posted: 3/2/2009 6:27:58 PM |
Not to poke holes at you, but if YOU were happy, healthy, funny, etc, you wouldn't be so lamely trolling around the single parents forum trying to prove a point you know absolutely nothing about.
And THAT is the truth.
Well, I am happy...
I am healthy...
I have been told I'm funny, even by some of the other people in the forums...
I am also a parent....
I have also lived with 2 women in the past who were raising kids... so my involvement in raising other people's kids amounts to 5 kids( 2 small ones, and 3 teens ) + my own... how about you?
Or are you just lamely trolling the single parents forum trying to prove a point you know nothing about....? | |
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Posted: 3/2/2009 6:39:18 PM |
Not to poke holes in your kids, they may indeed be happy, healthy, funny, etc... etc.... well adjusted, kids....
But in many cases, the parents cannot perceive of how their kids are....
I've known a few women who thought their kids were angels when in fact they were the opposite....
One of my friends thinks her daughter is SO smart and so adult and so well adjusted...
Meanwhile the daughter has issues over her mom and dad, does drugs, she cuts herself, and dropped out of high school....
Mr. Church (how ironic that is the name you gave yourself), you are a psycho. | |
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| CAN A woman TEACH A boy how to be a MAN!
Posted: 3/2/2009 8:27:26 PM | m church, I was just curious because your posting style is similar to another former poster.
Regardless, you did make a valid point. Often there are parents who do not know their children as well as they think they do. My mom who was a school teacher for 30 years (elementary) would be a rich woman if she had a dollar for every time a parent said "My child wouldn't do that/say that".....which is why I listen carefully to what teachers, coaches, any other people have to say about my child. | |
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Posted: 3/2/2009 9:09:59 PM |
Regardless, you did make a valid point. Often there are parents who do not know their children as well as they think they do.
It's not only not knowing, but sometimes it's either they turn a blind eye to it, or they just simply refuse to believe there could be anything wrong with their child....
I was about 20 the first time I realised that some mothers can't 'see' the problems in their children. A friend's friend, had a young daughter.... The daughter was almost old enough for school.... yet she spoke gibberish to everyone... In actual fact if you listened carefully, you could make out words, but they were very garbled... almost like a slurred monotone.... Her mother refused to acknowledge there was a speech disorder.... It wasn't until the little girl went to school that the issue got forced and the mother had to accept it... | |
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Posted: 3/2/2009 9:13:22 PM | You know, it's funny, all the women who say they can make a boy to be a MAN...
Yet, all of them would run the other way, if they met a man who was a "Mamma's boy..." | |
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Posted: 3/3/2009 12:11:21 AM | A real fight is usually 30-60 seconds of sheer fcuking violence, blood spraying, eyes gouged, lips torn, teeth shattered and maybe a broken wrist..., your arm won't work anymore because he shattered your collar bone.... your kneecap hanging loose from the ripped cartilege with screaming, mind numbing pain, and you realise you lost, before you knew the fight had started....~m_church ~ msg #347
You know, it's funny, all the women who say they can make a boy to be a MAN...
Yet, all of them would run the other way, if they met a man who was a "Mamma's boy..." ~m_church ~
on 3/3/2009
^^^^Ya know m_church..I don't find any of your posts very funny. In fact, I find most of them quite disturbing!
In fact you are the best "worst case" type of example that I, as a single Mom would use to teach my boys on what NOT to become.
The theory coming from men seems to be that if a single mother is alone in raising a son, he is some how emasculated by that experience.
I would argue that if there is no father or male figure around that can demonstrate respect towards women...then single mothers are better off teaching their sons how to behave responsibly and appropriately.
The men who are considered Mamma's boys these days are the same men who have been used to their mother's coddling them and attending to their every need. How a mamma's boy treats women is no different than how his Father treated his mother. Children learn by example.
Really you and other guys who think women can't raise a boy into manhood should be thanking a few of the single mother's who are doing their best so their sons don't repeat "the sins of their father"...Raising a child alone is often not a choice but sometimes a harsh reality.
In case you haven't figured it out, the majority of loving and caring Mom's have one common goal in mind when raising a son. That would be to instill a sense of responsibility for their actions instead of granting them the sense of entitlement..that perhaps a "Mamma's boy" might feel.
I see alot of cuck and bull about men saying they want to teach their sons respect for women...if you don't feel it and don't demonstrate that respect for women, than most of you can't teach it. | |
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Posted: 3/3/2009 4:52:40 AM | m church, now you went a bit too far with me....because once again, you are blaming women (something you do quite a bit of not only on this thread but on others as well) for every ill in society. As Lizbeth pointed out, the definition of Momma's boy as you implied is dead wrong. Her definition is bang on.
No woman wants to assume a mothering role to a grown man....a man who cannot cook for himself, clean up after himself, do laundry or worse, a man who can do all these things but expects the woman to do them in addition to working just as many hours as he does.
Personal responsibility and accountability are often qualities that are lacking in some people, both male and female. So many people I meet love to point and blame others for everything that goes awry in their lives rather than consider that they may have to assume some of the responsibility for their lives. Momma's boys are like that but most of the momma's boys that I know were raised in a home with both a Mom AND a Dad.
Perhaps in those two parent homes, they learned what they lived. Mom was the ONLY one doing the parenting and Mom was responsible for everything while Dad sat on his arse watching sports or reading the paper, intervening only when nagged enough by Mom to step up to the plate. These sons didn't have a strong parental relationship with their Dad but sure learned how to be a man by watching how he was the "King of the Castle" and Mom was his servant. Mom was used to being subserviant to males and didn't teach her sons that they needed to be self-reliant. Of course, you will blame only the Mom in that scenario and not the Dad, right? Dad in that scenario is blameless right? | |
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Posted: 3/3/2009 1:41:11 PM |
Regardless, you did make a valid point. Often there are parents who do not know their children as well as they think they do. My mom who was a school teacher for 30 years (elementary) would be a rich woman if she had a dollar for every time a parent said "My child wouldn't do that/say that".....which is why I listen carefully to what teachers, coaches, any other people have to say about my child.
I'm the first one to admit my kids are wrong when they have done something wrong. And there are plenty of parents that dont have a clue about what their kids do, or think, or feel. But that's not true in my case. I am one to always play devils advocate, but I refuse to engage in converstions with folks who make false accusations in response to MY posts. I will not defend myself against false allegations. Generally speaking, I can engage in converstations about this stuff, but I will NOT give posters a pat on the back for talking so blatently and ignorantly. In fact, I wont even talk to them. Their thinking is so far out in left field that it's a waste of energy. I'll save that for the want to be mediators on here.
And when posters want to point fingers and say horrible things based on assumptions, well I have a problem with that. To take a comment that I made about "having happy, well adjusted kids" and twist it into "yea, for all you know, they are cutting themselves" is bullsh*t and quite frankly, it's a bit PSYCHO.
I happened to have several conversations with my teenager today, I talked with his principal, guidance counselor, and all of his teachers, including music, PE, SS, LA, Science and Math. I also had conversations with them last week as well. Not to mention the students that circled around me today to divulge information. Kids are like information central, if they are comfortable with an adult, they will tell them anything. And if they dont tell me, they tell another parent, who tells me.
So, nice try to the people on here who want to take a positive and turn it into a negative, but it didnt work. Not on me anyway. | |
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| CAN A woman TEACH A boy how to be a MAN!
Posted: 3/3/2009 1:47:29 PM | | Well, this is my opinion on this. I have 2 small sons and a pos ex that ran off to Baltimore when we split.(We live in Louisiana). I don't know what teaching a boy how to be a man is. I do know this.........I can teach them how to be responsible adults, I can teach them to respect, I can teach them how to do things the right way and tell them and guide them away from the wrong way. I can also show them what love is because that is what I give them everyday. I have enough love to give them that even though he is not here and they won't miss anything. Sure, there will be points in their lives where they will want him because every child wants a mom and dad but there will be no point where they will need him because he can teach them something I can't. I have every fundamental base covered that will guide them to be mature,responsible adults. So, I don't know what your definition of a man is..................but I know that I can raise my sons properly without the help of their father. | |
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| CAN A woman TEACH A boy how to be a MAN!
Posted: 3/3/2009 2:07:15 PM | So glad that the PoFF stalwarts didn't disappoint. But, I have to ask:
What took all y'all so long to descend into the name-calling? Why did it take almost 20 pages of pretending to want to seriously address such an issue, when it's painfully obvious that you've all been bursting to sling names at each other?
Arlo | |
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| CAN A woman TEACH A boy how to be a MAN!
Posted: 3/3/2009 2:12:34 PM | Why do some of you really care what m church has to say? He's raises some really valid points... which many of you would rather take as insults than constructive criticism, and he's said some things that, I'm assuming, are said to get a rise out of you. For all you know he's hear yanking all of your chains and laughing his butt off as you resort to name calling as a comeback. I'd say the expression "stop feeding the trolls" could apply to most of you here.
There's all this need for the single moms here to come out and defend themselves with some sort of vengance (to someone you don't even know), and then in the next breath say that they're good moms and don't care what other people think. Make up your mind. | |
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| CAN A woman TEACH A boy how to be a MAN!
Posted: 3/3/2009 2:19:32 PM |
So glad that the PoFF stalwarts didn't disappoint.
So you admit that is what you are looking for on here.
And talk about turning a mountain into a mole hill.
And while I am at it,,,,, Men Suck, I'm becoming a Lesbian. | |
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Posted: 3/3/2009 2:59:23 PM |  footballmom, you are not! Funny, women can say that but you would never hear a man saying he will turn gay but alas that is another thread.
The beauty of the forums is that people are entitled to their opinions and to have those which are different from others. The disadvantage is that people can often become offended by what is written. Sigh....another day in the POF pond.
Mental note to self - stop feeding trolls..... | |
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Posted: 3/3/2009 3:50:16 PM |
To take a comment that I made about "having happy, well adjusted kids" and twist it into "yea, for all you know, they are cutting themselves" is bullsh*t and quite frankly, it's a bit PSYCHO.
In actual fact, the total of my post was:
Not to poke holes in your kids, they may indeed be happy, healthy, funny, etc... etc.... well adjusted, kids....
But in many cases, the parents cannot perceive of how their kids are....
I've known a few women who thought their kids were angels when in fact they were the opposite....
One of my friends thinks her daughter is SO smart and so adult and so well adjusted...
Meanwhile the daughter has issues over her mom and dad, does drugs, she cuts herself, and dropped out of high school....
I did say your kids, they may indeed be happy, healthy, funny, etc... etc.... well adjusted, kids....
I did NOT say it was your kid(s) who was into cutting...
Was there any negative reference to your kids having ANY issues? NO!
And I honestly don't doubt your kids are well adjusted, as I said before...
I was merely trying to show that SOME mothers can't see their own kids issues....
So, nice try to the people on here who want to take a positive and turn it into a negative, but it didnt work. Not on me anyway.
That about sums up what you did with my post doesn't it?
And notice? I didn't resort to name calling.... | |
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Posted: 3/3/2009 4:00:12 PM |
and he's said some things that, I'm assuming, are said to get a rise out of you. For all you know he's hear yanking all of your chains and laughing his butt off as you resort to name calling as a comeback. I'd say the expression "stop feeding the trolls" could apply to most of you here.
Actually, I don't post to get a rise out of anyone... (Well, maybe once in awhile...) and a lot of my posts are meant to be funny... (particularly when I do my 'lists' of things...)....or sarcastic or cynical... However, for the most part, I post things to make people see what they would prefer not to see... I hold no animosity towards people, nor do I feel I'm a 'troll' - Hell, I don't even like going under bridges at the best of times.... What I post, I post because of what I have seen, encountered, experienced etc...
Generally, I don't insult people, nor do I appreciate it when people insult me or what I post... I have as much right to say what I feel as the next person.... I also don't post with the objective of getting people mad enough to throw insults... A few times, people have complained I've offended them, and those times I have usually apologised... or at least, reworded my postings a little better afterwards...
Anyway, this is just my view of what I post.... I just wanted to make it clear how I see it.... | |
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Posted: 3/3/2009 5:10:58 PM |
I hold no animosity towards people, nor do I feel I'm a 'troll' - Hell, I don't even like going under bridges at the best of times....
I should have been more clear... I didn't mean that you were the troll. Oh, and trolls only like goats... so I've read. | |
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Posted: 3/4/2009 4:26:56 PM | (Arlo) So glad that the PoFF stalwarts didn't disappoint.
(footballmom77) So you admit that is what you are looking for on here.
[SGT. SCHULTZ VOICE /]
I KNOW NOH-ZEENG!!!
Arlo
And while I am at it,,,,, Men Suck, I'm becoming a Lesbian.
We do???
(itsallinthesoul) The beauty of the forums is that people are entitled to their opinions and to have those which are different from others. The disadvantage is that people can often become offended by what is written. Sigh....another day in the POF pond.
And, that's also the chief DISadvantage of free and easy access to the Internet: any old fool can hold forth with his/her opinion; and, often, any old fool does.
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Posted: 3/5/2009 11:49:13 AM | I guess, the proof is in the pudding!
When thousands of women raise boys on their own and the young gentlemen turn out to be docters and lawyers, and are just the nicest men. Not having a man to teach them how do disrespect women or teach them bad behaviour, males raised by their mothers often have great loving realtionships with their mates and excellent relationships with their friends and are very socially adept.
And the flip side of the coin... thousands of men raise fabulous daughters, who become just as socially well adjusted as their male counterparts.
Sorry, but your argument just does not hold water. | |
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Posted: 3/5/2009 11:59:45 AM | The proof is in the pudding!
With thousands of women raising fabulous kids who turn out to be doctors and lawyers or even gardeners or heaven forbid a President... well, how could he possibly have learned to become a man if he was raised by a woman... LOL.
Your argument just does not hold water.
So, with that PROOF... I will absolutely have to agree that a woman can teach a boy to become a man (perhaps even better than a man). | |
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