| | Does our society celebrate violence more than sex?Page 2 of 2 (1, 2) | Of course one could argue that sex...real passionate sex is a form of violence anyway....oooops, did I just reveal the real Pedro Sanchez? I feel umm a bit of an outsider from the throng of sensitive 'love makers' out here....I put on "Lovin' You" by Minnie Riperton (La la la la la la la... do do do do do) for the sensitive new age blokes out there who go with the softly, softly approach...not that I am dissing it...but it ain't me babe. | |
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| Does our society celebrate violence more than sex?
Posted: 4/28/2009 4:15:19 PM |
Why do we glorify violence more than sex?
Very deep Freudian question Pedro.
Errr.....I believe that “instinct” has a major role in the question. Let’s say that the instinct that is unashamedly displayed in, “The violence exhibited in the Tribal or Ethnic Scenario”.
Violence has always shadowed mankind. It’s embedded in our genes and goes back; I don’t know how many generations, to the primordial soup of the beginning I guess.
Instinct for me is defined as a natural behaviour biologically implanted in our cerebral cortex that neurologically takes over and controls our physical reactions to preserve the self.
It functions independently of conscious prompts in any given circumstance. Perhaps a more correctly stated sentence would be that it reacts a hundred times faster than conscious thought. I believe the term used by the intelligentsia for this is “blind instinct”. Violence and sexual behaviour form two of those basic instincts. Mankind will always instinctively react to or instigate violence (or flight), according to perceived prompts from another party or situation and we glorify that violent reaction in the tribal sense as one family seeking the comfort afforded by "group safet". That “group” safety or belonging is publicly proclaimed loudly to all to bolster the tribes self-confidence and pride. This is manifested in the old ever present “US” versus “THEM” syndrome.......or is that divide?
Fear is also a natural instinct intimately tied to tribal or defensive violence and in contemporary times this is frequently witnessed as the fear of one tribe for the other unknown tribe. Anyone in this category is usually easily cajoled by fear-mongers or spin-doctors.
Sex.....now sex is when we humans are at our most vulnerable. It’s during the act of coitus that we are at our most naked, most exposed and most primitive. Not ever before or after, but only during does this most unguarded of postural circumstances occur. A Jykle and Hyde thing. I dunno.......as a single man I can’t comment on what a married or long standing couple experience as I have no basis for comment.
There’s a tendency mid-flow during the act to propel the couple back to their most submissive primal roles as the pleasure enwraps dominating all regard. I guess that the most fulfilling, most intimate, most engrossing and satisfying is probably sex that is forbidden. There are many forms of sex that could be considered forbidden; adultery can be viewed in society as one, interracial another. Perhaps it’s a taboo subject as there are many circumstances where it is “forbidden” but we all participate with indifference to society’s rules and our own conscience?
(compiled by a bloke without degrees in diagnosing neurotic and psychopathic humans)
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| Does our society celebrate violence more than sex?
Posted: 4/29/2009 12:59:21 AM | :
Actually apples are native to the Tien Shan Mountains in Kyrgyzstan,
Thanks for that info....always knew I know two part of eff all....love to learn new things. Though one wonders what Northern Europeans ate before Asia INVADED...lol. Surely Blackberries, strawberries...they grow in the Swiss Alps as well. But hey ho...maybe that's why Europeans took so long to develop civilisations....lack of vitimin c. And Rye? was the main grain for centuries also spelt. Just questions not devil's advocate.
Violence has always shadowed mankind. It’s embedded in our genes and goes back
Think I said much the same thing,
Actually reason for today's post cos am trying to stay off this cyber lark....Was reading about John Lennon and Yoko Ono in the Readers Digest at an xray dept cos we went skating this weekend (two kids down with one broken, three to go har har). So May 26th to June 2nd 1969 they held a "bed in" at the Queen Elizabeth Hotel in Montreal, Canada. I do not remember much but even an 8 year old heard about it and if I had had the vernacular I would have said "How COOL". Twas a brilliant idea and the general reaction by the "normal people" was in much the same vein as it is today....they were violently opposed to it. The operative word being violent....IDIOTS. Suggest we hold a 'bed in' at some swanky hotel and call the press....what would their reaction be now. Think we need to use some of the younger pof members cos no point in double grossing everyone else out. | |
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pedro!
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| Does our society celebrate violence more than sex?
Posted: 4/29/2009 11:11:03 PM | | ^^^^Yes, reactionaries are always given airtime and column inches when they are on tune. Our mass media has always been run with those that share vested interests with the rich and powerful. | |
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pedro!
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| Does our society celebrate violence more than sex?
Posted: 4/29/2009 11:42:06 PM | Yes, Chiny, I think it's called the 'f**k or flight response"! But seriously, you mentioned humans feeling at their most vulnerable when having sex; now don't get the idea that I spend too much time at this pursuit, but if you've ever taken a peek at two dogs going at it the male is usually looking around watching out for other hostile dogs, mid-stroke. It doesn't look much fun for either party really.
And Naamah, you alluded to Mrs. Palmer and her lovely daughters (sons if you like) and her deleterious affect on one's eye-sight. A dear friend of mine sings this original composition of hers that she wrote for AIDS Awareness week some years ago. It's well worth the click - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdPoO8VQgak | |
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| Does our society celebrate violence more than sex?
Posted: 4/30/2009 5:05:01 AM | Violence is a fairly primitive and deep-grained human behaviour which no doubt has its roots in our deep evolutionary past. The world of nature is a violent, uncertain and destructive place, and full of predators. Our ancestors were no doubt attacked by many different types of predatory animal at the time, and it is unlikely we would have survived without some ability to be aggressive and to use violence both defensively and offensively against external and internal threats.
Much the same can be said about sex. If the instinct to reproduce were not so strong, is is unlikely we would have survived. There is no doubt a fascination with sex and violence in culture because both are powerful forces and instincts that unconciously drive human behaviour.
The connection between sex and a primordial fall is not explicit in the Bible. The Bible does not say (in either the OT or NT) that sex caused the primal fall of Adam and Eve from grace. The origin of original sin in that case appears to be a concious and wilful disobedience of God's laws. Christian theologians (such as St Augustine, the primary 'architect' of a systematic theology dealing with this topic) saw not sex in itself as evil or procreation as evil (as the Bible also says God made all things, blessed them and called them 'good') but that sex has been affected by the fall through human beings having disordered desires and loves, which ideally should be properly ordered, rational and good (and hence directed towards God) but the fall has made our desires and loves to be irrational and disordered. Augustine saw things such as uncontrollable lust to be prime signs something was very wrong with the human condition and sexual urges should be always and without exception under the control of rationality and also only done in the context of love between spouses. It should be noted the position Augustine took was quite positive compared to more monastically inclined fathers of the Church (such as St Jerome) who tended to have a pathological hatred and fear of any sexual desire (and indirectly of women). | |
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Posted: 4/30/2009 11:03:24 PM | on another thread there was talk of payment aka consequences of rumpy pumpy..as opposed to making 'lurv'...personally if making 'lurv' doesn't have a healthy dose of rumpy pumpy (hmm dose...word suggests carrying more than just baby making, so free antibiotics supplied whilst reading this post) tis boring. Anyhows....SHEESH this
male chiristian god charges more than any woman I have met!!!!!!!! especially considering the primal urge is non negotiable (celibacy sucks or maybe it doesn't and that is the problem ). And the charges fluctuate from century to century, culture to culture and nay verily even in retrospect. So not only can one 'suffer' the consequences (women traditionally are supposed to take that role and even to allow demonisation of their soul in lieu of another not just themselves {do I thank Augustine? Smack Paul for being homophobic let alone greekphobic) but even after the deed, and rueing it properly....apparently we have to do it all over again after we die and we don't get to repeat the fun bit first.
Now with violence...the charge may be pain, fear, emotional devastation (worse than bad sex but only just) and or death and depending on which century, culture, who wrote the history, (so choose wisely when you die...I am choosing the 94th century cos by then even God will be dead) you will either go in the fires of hell....so much the same as a quick bonk on the side....or you will be lauded as almost saintlike.
Now looking at this....seems that violence is your best bet...if one is trying to chose the lesser sin. It's less fun on the old bod too.....so God will give a shorter sentence in lieu of previous penance.
GOT IT!!!!!!...God is SOOOO clever. He gave us free will so we had sex cos pleasure over pain usually wins and he knows we aint going to stop voluntarily so like a mathematical equation violence will eventually kill us all thus preventing henious sex and we can all go to heaven. Sod it circumnavigate the lot, become a masocistic masturbator...and bam HEAVEN
Decided I don't believe in God today...so anyone for a quick root? If you're worried and you pay me extra I will beat you up as well. | |
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| Does our society celebrate violence more than sex?
Posted: 4/30/2009 11:25:08 PM |
...so anyone for a quick root? If your worried and you pay me extra I will beat you up as well.
Err umm i'll settle for a good ol pillow fight,.....but go gentle coz i'm old.
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Posted: 5/1/2009 2:39:02 AM | ahh.. the ritualised friday night TV violence is about to start...
the good ole thugby league....
go the Cowboys!...
there isn't any good sex on TV these days.... at this hour at least...there's a doco on brigette bardot.. but she'll hardly be doing it live.... implying it for sure....pouting the max...
not like a good solid front on tackle with sideline mikes,eh?....oooooooooommpphhhh!!!!
whether it's a celebration or a lack of choice , I'm not sure....
I wonder how team sex would go on prime time TV?.... mmmmmm
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Posted: 5/1/2009 3:07:08 AM | Not sure how things were in Australia, but growing up in metro Detroit, MI, USA, TV was much tamer, music albums didn't need to have "Parental Advisory - Explicit Lyrics" tags, and most movie theaters rigidly enforced movie codes for inappropriate material for minors (teens and younger).
It was a different, more innocent time, where life lessons were more subtle. Kids weren't bludgeoned with swear words, sex, and violence 24/7.
Maybe people can debate whether the times were better or not, but they were surely less invasive. | |
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pedro!
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| Does our society celebrate violence more than sex?
Posted: 5/5/2009 6:53:58 PM | | I'm sure there's been societies that practiced team sex as a spectator sport (imagine the commentary!) or maybe it's more theatre. I wonder if the Romans at their Bacchanalias enjoyed such displays? Will porn will ever achieve the lofty heights of narrative/performance/direction of well made movies? We already have that for violent films (albeit simulated violence) . Wouldn't the Oscars be a different affair! | |
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Naamah
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| Does our society celebrate violence more than sex?
Posted: 5/5/2009 9:45:56 PM |
Wouldn't the Oscars be a different affair!
Funny you should say....the adult entertainment industry does actually have its own Oscars..the AVN Awards. The award categories are a giggle...and hearing an acceptance speech from the proud winner of Best Oral, or the Most Outrageous Sex Scene, has gotta be more interesting than watching some starlet sobbing and thanking her Mum and Jesus. | |
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| Does our society celebrate violence more than sex?
Posted: 5/5/2009 11:00:00 PM |
I'm sure there's been societies that practiced team sex as a spectator sport (imagine the commentary!)
Hmmm a certain horse race sketch performed by the delightful Peter Cook and Dudley Moore AKA Derek and Clive, springs to mind when I read this...what a pity they're no longer with us, they'd be the perfect choice to do the commentary for sextreme sports
CLIVE:
Thank you, yes, the seven runners for this first Durex Handicap over six furlongs are just beginning to load up.
That's The Poof, n'very much on his toes and beautifully turned out, he really looked a picture in the paddock. And just coming into our picture is Vagina. Vagina is one of the two fillies in the race, she's, um, very good opening speed and the overnight rain will have helped her. She likes it a bit soft underfoot. That's The Wanker, going to the stalls. A steady performer, The Wanker, but, er, he tends to be a bit one-paced. Just going in is Buttocks. And, Buttocks, a big colt, blinkered for the first time. And there's our favourite The Prick. I think he would have preferred slightly firmer going, um, and just going is the outsider of the field, the seven year old Arsehole. Arsehole, by Shit out of Bumhole, erm, he's been tailed off on his last three outings, a rather disappointing horse this. And one of the last to go is Big Tits who's, um, carrying the top weight. A steady performer but, um, I think the ten pound penalty will be a little too much for her this afternoon. She's safely in.
Oh dear, The Prick! The Prick is rearing up! He tends to get excited, a very, very excitable horse, I remember he had to be withdrawn at Lingfield. Yes, they're going to put the hood on him. They're very good, the handlers here at Newmarket. | |
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| Does our society celebrate violence more than sex?
Posted: 5/5/2009 11:51:53 PM | I think our society celebrates violence by having sex.
A Bruce Willis movie filled with fast-paced, hard-hittin' action just put you right in the mood. Or is that just me? | |
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| Does our society celebrate violence more than sex?
Posted: 5/6/2009 2:18:17 AM |
A Bruce Willis movie filled with fast-paced, hard-hittin' action just put you right in the mood. Or is that just me?
Bruce Willis? And here I was thinkin you were more of a "Fatal Attraction " type of Gurl! | |
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pedro!
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