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Posted: 4/27/2009 2:22:02 PM | The gravity of this cannot be underestimated. The only reason SARS didnt spread further is due to the diligence of the BC CDC. You seem to make alot of jokes about it here, this reminds me of Nero fiddling while Rome burned. SARS killed alot of people before it was contained.
The Swine flu is on the verge of becoming a world wide pandemic. If its not controlled quickly, you could well find yourself suffering from it. This is most likely a mutated version of the swine virus which has virulence in humans. 4000 Canadians die of regular influenza each year. This could easily double that number. Its all a big fat joke until you are the one infected.
Handwashing is your biggest defence. And trips to Mexico, only an idiot would do that now. | |
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Posted: 4/27/2009 2:55:13 PM | Don't forget making out with a pig.
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Porking one | |
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Posted: 4/27/2009 2:58:37 PM | | Hmmmmm..... I guess that is one way to stimulate province economy! Make vcation spots toxic so we have to stay home!!! Might have to send the french to investigate just how bad it is!!! | |
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Posted: 4/27/2009 6:25:12 PM | With the swine flu now categorized at level 4 I decided to play it safe.
When I greeted a new client this afternoon for a meeting I said I didn't mean to be rude but wasn't going to shake hand due to concerns of the swine flu. I felt good about remembering to do that.
When he left after an hour-long meeting he proffered his hand, which I promptly shook.
Habits of good courtesy are hard to break.  | |
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Xavery
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Joined: 4/22/2007
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| Swine Flu Outbreak
Posted: 4/27/2009 9:25:21 PM | In any case.... it's one thing to observe that humanity is probably setting itself up for a calamitous population decline. It's quite another to cheer it on by saying things like "we need to lose people." This grinds my gears, and I did actually pause to think why, since on the surface it looks like a simple harsh but practical observation. Then I read on and it becomes clear ...
I am not the only one who suggested that the world is overpopulated and that nature needs to reestablish a balance.
What balance? There has never in history or pre-history been a balance to re-establish. The earth didn't even manage to stay stable when it was covered with glaciers and the only life forms were bacteria.
Actually, it is probably an underststatement to say that we need to lose a few people. Several million would be more accurate and I do not say this because I am cruel or that I do not value human life, I say this because people are suffering and people are forced to go with out food and basic things necessary to survival. SO, either there is some gross misallocation of money, food and healthcare or the world is too crowded.
I have also heard we have enough food to feed everyone. You tell me if this is correct. I will tell you it is not right to let people suffer and let them live him at the edge of death's door without food or clean drinking water.
I have never had a serious infection so my body has not ever had to wipe-out bacteria with a fever. However, if I did, my temperature would probably increase and the bacteria would be wiped out.
The world is basically being raped by humankind at this time. I suppose I could post this in the truth section. Not all people are destroying the planet, but people with power need to make changes.
I dont think it should be me that should grind any one gears. If you want to feel angry, be angry about the quality of life some people are forced to endure.
So, if there needs to be a pandemic and it happens that I should be one of the victims, so be it, because the way I see it is this planet needs to lose several million people. I would be very happy to be wrong about this . . . convince me that we can feed everyone and that that the population is not increasing to rapidly. | |
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Posted: 4/27/2009 11:28:20 PM | >>>Actually, it is probably an underststatement to say that we need to lose a few people.
>>>Several million would be more accurate and I do not say this because I am cruel or
>>>that I do not value human life, I say this because people are suffering and people are
>>>forced to go with out food and basic things necessary to survival. SO, either there is
>>> some gross misallocation of money, food and healthcare or the world is too
>>>crowded.
Given the fact that 100, 250, 500, 1000, 1500, and 2000+ years ago there were gross inequality and injustice when the overall human population was much smaller, I would argue that it is economic inequality (resulting from the inability of humans to seriously consider the future result of present [in[action) that is the problem.
You could remove seventy-five percent of the human population on Earth, and if the current selfish, wasteful, and exploitative economic ideals continued, there would still be inequality amongst humans.
The problem is not too many people. The problem is just... people. | |
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Posted: 4/27/2009 11:37:06 PM | NOPE won`t be going to Mexico in the near future and will only travel once the country is medically cleared to travel worry free.
Couple of coworkers just came back as well as some friends. Some said they r feeling a little unwell but aren`t too concerned.
I would rather travel to a country where I`m safe and getting sick isnt my cup of tea. | |
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Posted: 4/27/2009 11:40:10 PM | Here is the google map link for the virus.... 2 probable cases in Vancouver...
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&t=p&msa=0&msid=106484775090296685271.0004681a37b713f6b5950&ll=32.639375,-110.390625&spn=15.738151,25.488281&source=embed | |
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Posted: 4/28/2009 12:40:52 AM | | The swine flu virus is actually airborn and can travel from human to human. However there have been no reported cases from far distances. Only from close proximaty. There are for different vaccines that can cure H1N1 human form swine flu virus but the new strain is resistant to 2 of those. I'm not sure about the other two. If you've seen pictures of the people in Mexico you'll notice that the vast majority of them are wearing hospital type masks. | |
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Posted: 4/28/2009 7:30:08 AM | | It can't be a naturally arising virus, because for swine flu to be breaking-out as they call it, a swine would have to have that flu. There are no cases of any swines coming down with this flu. And how the heck did avian flu just happen to get mixed up with the swine? We've been waiting for this anyhow. Like SARS, this 'flu' as they call it, is a bioweapon. The globalists gave Bush Haliburton's-Iraq..and now Barack Obama --- who's name is a wordplay on Iraq-Osama (and I don't think that is any accident) will do his job for the Tamiflu profiteers. Donald Rumsfeld stands to make one hell of a lot of money off of his Tamiflu. | |
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Posted: 4/28/2009 9:15:03 AM | So we travel to dirty 'third-world' countries to save a few $ and then bring back nasty flu virus. sigh.
Noticed even Jay Leno made light of the situation last night with joke about Tamiflu. If 'challenged immune system' is involved, wouldn't ColdFX work? Remember that antibiotics won't work on viruses  , only on bacterial sources. | |
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Posted: 4/28/2009 9:26:52 AM | I just love conspiracy theories come into play, like urban legends they are so believable, aren't they?
Lets face it, if any of the nasty diseases of late, from HIV, SARS to now the recent mutation of Swine flue were purposely introduced we all can rest assured no one will ever know and if they accidentally escaped a laboratory we sure as hell won't ever know for fact.
Lets keep the thought simple here for a moment.
Amongst other things in the universe we still do not know precisely why or how the very first macromolecules we call a life form came to be.
We do know it is a rather complex chemical process.
We also know what we define as life or living is in its smallest version is a multitude of atoms forming a macro molecule and that this molecule has the ability to replicate itself.
This process involves the absorption of other molecules, some of which may be toxic while others may cause changes to the original. This evolutionary process has lead to the vast diversity of life forms we have today.
The rules have always been very basic, abundance of one substance (essentially anything that can be safely absorbed/consumed) caused the numerical increase on one life form until the resource is depleted. This cycle has been in effect since the first life began and adaptation or mutation were part of the process and applied equally however varied to all living things ranging from plants to bacteria and humans. Even human history shows we still act according to these basic rules, expansion of one group/race taking over a weaken one or absorbing one food source to the point of depletion. Just look how many life forms became extinct due to our overuse.
Epidemic disease outbreaks usually happen when one (food source) is abundance.
The human population has grown incredibly in recent history. Adding to that we also have created many chemical substances and organisms that were previously not part of the natural development. This causes mutations in other life forms which in the case of diseases may effect us adversely.
Will humans survive a disease outbreak? That depends on many things naturally if we do not consider our intervention. We are a very complex organism with many defense mechanisms, but we also have many sensitivities (weaknesses). Our numbers may dwindle as many will succumb to the disease and others will adapt to become stronger provided we can maintain out necessary nutrition input. Any weakening factor such as lack of nutrition will give a disease the upper hand. Obviously our mobility (travel) will aid in the distribution of a disease as will the way the disease is transmitted.
IMO whatever mutated version of the swine flue we are currently dealing with I am sure there will be a cure developed, but like with many other diseases that may take time and there will be victims. | |
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Posted: 4/28/2009 11:17:44 AM | Disease epidemics/pandemics have been around far longer than this latest and greatest conspiracy.
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/EID/vol12no01/05-1254.htm
1976 talks about the swine flu so who is it we now think created this masterpiece?
I say quit trying to point a finger and some "out there" agency and take the precautions you are advised by the health organizations trying to control and contain the spread for crying out loud.
Sheesh.....We the people are our own worst enemy..... | |
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Posted: 4/28/2009 11:30:10 AM | “Our numbers may dwindle as many will succumb to the disease and others will adapt to become stronger provided we can maintain out necessary nutrition input. Any weakening factor such as lack of nutrition will give a disease the upper hand. Obviously our mobility (travel) will aid in the distribution of a disease as will the way the disease is transmitted.”
On a much brighter note: If one of super viruses misses you there is always global warming. How long can you tread water?
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Posted: 4/28/2009 12:28:32 PM | I know a few swines but not sure if they have the flu.   | |
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Posted: 4/28/2009 12:46:09 PM |
Actually, it is probably an underststatement to say that we need to lose a few people. Several million would be more accurate and I do not say this because I am cruel or that I do not value human life, I say this because people are suffering ...
Large numbers of people should die of a horrible disease to cut down on suffering?
I have also heard we have enough food to feed everyone. You tell me if this is correct.
It is correct... at least from all that I have seen and heard in reading up on the subject and travelling through many of the poorest countries and places on the globe. Famine is always the result of either natural disaster or war (including economic war, not necessarily actually shooting). We can easily handle natural disasters nowadays, so really the only reason people starve anywhere is because of human misdeeds or mismanagement.
Anyway, Shady summarized it nicely.. it's just plain silly to think poverty is the result of overpopulation. People have been poor and starving all through history. We're probably doing better at feeding humanity now than ever.
The world is basically being raped by humankind at this time.
Tired rhetoric. Please delete and start over. This thread has more than enough hysteria in it already. 
Humanity (like all life) has been changing the shape of the planet for as long as we have existed. If you don't like the way we are changing it, that's your right and many of us will agree. If you think it's not a question of like but of whether our lifestyle is sustainable, that's something that can be debated. However... please don't cloak this in phrases like "the planet needs to lose several million people." This is not an abstract provable technical judgement, it's just a glorified indirect way of saying you figure millions of people should die because you don't like what some people are doing.
Once we've got past that, we can get on with discussing whether the notion makes any sense ... and it doesn't, at least at first glance. The set of people who would die in a disease epidemic isn't the same as the set of people who are having the most impact on the earth. Diseases will kill particularly people in the most densely-populated areas, not the places where everyone has 3 cars and home theatres, and not so much in African countrysides where people are slashing and burning the bush just to grow crops to feed themselves.
On the other hand, it certainly would change our economics and politics. It's an interesting and arguable question without a lot of facts to go on... the Black Death permanently changed Europe, for the better (in the long run), just by smashing the old feudal patterns and giving more power to ordinary people. That doesn't mean we'd be better off after a modern-day epidemic, though, and "yay bring on doomsday" rhetoric is really way off base... | |
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Xavery
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Joined: 4/22/2007
Msg: 43 | |
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Posted: 4/28/2009 1:39:01 PM | Well, the number in Vancouver is up by one and the number in Canada is up by 7. California has declared a state of emergency. I am worried about my relatives in San Diego. I have seen 2 people on in the city with face masks.
It seems to me if the population was several million people smaller, there would be more food to go around and the planet would be cleaner. | |
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Posted: 4/28/2009 1:59:46 PM |
On a much brighter note: If one of super viruses misses you there is always global warming. How long can you tread water?
The Bavarian priest Sebastian Kneipp (1821-1897) who suffered from tuberculosis in his youth and bathed in the freezing cold waters of the Danube river developed the and Hydro therapeutic therapy of water treading. Since then many a believer in therapy spend their hard earned coin for wellness remedies. I suppose the somewhat questionable Hydro therapeutic therapy can be endured until death does part the participant from the therapy, on the positive side foot fungus is encouraged to find new hosts
It is correct... at least from all that I have seen and heard in reading up on the subject and travelling through many of the poorest countries and places on the globe.
Not meaning to be argumentative with you here, I agree with your reasons for famine, but that statement depends greatly on the degree of standard of living one refers to and the current population growth and keeping up sustainable resources to match.... | |
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Xavery
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Joined: 4/22/2007
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Posted: 4/29/2009 6:10:10 PM | Now the pandemic level is up to 5 out of 6. A toddler died in Texas today - first in the USA, but the toddler was visiting from Mexico. Three new cases were identified in the lower mainland. One of the people who had came down with the virus did not visit Mexico, but was in contact with someone who had been down there.
Pandemics are cyclical. The last one was very mild. The one before that was the Spanish Flu - - - I think. The Spanish Flu was huge.
Do you still think this is media hype? | |
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Posted: 4/29/2009 6:23:09 PM | Swine flu has been around since the 60s, if I recall my history lessons.
I say, there's no need to panic. Yes, some people will die but generally our knowledge of medicine, virology, etc. etc. is much more advanced than it was in the 1960s, and earlier. Just look at at the advancements we've made in fighting AIDS. No longer is it a true death sentence like it was in the 80s. Or cancer; Terry Fox, had he been alive today, wouldn't have even lost his leg, let alone his life.
I think it's silly that many people get up in arms about health issues like this. Our health authorities have a lot of experience dealing with viruses and have learned a lot even since the SARS fiasco. Swine flu is no match. It will eventually fizzle out again and something else will crop up and start making Fox news scream hysterics. | |
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Posted: 4/29/2009 7:28:20 PM |
Now the pandemic level is up to 5 out of 6.
Yep... which we can fairly translate as "we probably will be exposed to it at some point." Just hope that it follows the usual pattern of losing strength as it mutates and spreads.
I say, there's no need to panic.
Who's panicking?
People should pay basic attention to the flu news for the same reason they should pay basic attention to forest fire alerts: you never know when they might spread to your area, and there are simple precautions you can and should take to avoid trouble if that does happen. | |
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Xavery
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Joined: 4/22/2007
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Posted: 4/29/2009 7:47:59 PM | Personally, I am not panicking, but I have a feeling some people are worried. People can be funny that way. I have seen people in Vancouver wearing mouth masks. Panic will not solve the situation. It is best just to accept the precautions and go with the flow.
I hear we are overdue for a pandemic. | |
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Posted: 4/29/2009 8:17:50 PM |
In Canada, flu season usually runs
from November to April and an estimated 10-25% of Canadians
may get the flu each year. Although most recover completely, an
estimated 4,000 to 8,000 Canadians, mostly seniors, die every year
from pneumonia related to flu.
the above from Health Canada.
the flu is nothing new...but it is deadly in many cases to those with weak or underdeveloped immune systems.
my daughter got the 'flu' when she was @ 3 months old... it was a very common virus...called RSV...but it was deadly to young children and to seniors.
It is just a flu that attacts your system...if it will pass if you are strong..but if your immune system is weak it can be really bad and leave long term complications or death.
she developed childhood asthma...which has now passed... she had it bad for @ 8 years and it would be cold-induced asthma...so she got it mostly during cold and flu season..where some kids would get the flu and it would pass...hers would linger for weeks...her lungs affected.
as for the swine flu.. I suspect the cases reported are the tip of the iceberg...and with global travel...more people will be infected and spreading the bug.
I am going to keep a close eye on my lil germ mongers...and remind them to wash their hands....again! | |
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Posted: 4/29/2009 8:20:23 PM | | This version fo the swine flu is a mutation of two other diseases as well. It is resistant to 2 of the 4 drugs that have been used to treat the H1N1 human form of swine flu in the past. IT's going to get a lot worse before it gets better. | |
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