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Posted: 5/5/2009 11:59:28 PM |
Not only that, in transmission between people & pigs it's more likely to mutate (if I recall rightly, not a biologist myself). So killing the pigs is one way to slow the spread of it in people. It probably won't make enough difference to be anywhere near worthwhile, but it's not totally silly - again, this is still early days for a new virus strain and we don't know what might happen with it.
not that I am in anyway an expert on bacterial or virus matters, but some more commonly known facts should give all of us some reason for caution, not just in the matter of swine flue.
Aside from their abilities of mutation bacteria and virus can be difficult to kill, depending on the species. Usually bacteria are less resilient and exposure to protein destroying chemicals or heat will be sufficient (the reference temperature for pasteurizing milk is 70C minimum ) . Anyone working in medical offices will know not to wipe and spread a spill but apply disinfectant first and then wipe.
Many Viruses are much more difficult to kill as their entire make up is different in some types, which may increase their resistance.
Killing the animal (pig) is usually more successful for infectious disease control of diseases that are not transferable to other species unless human contact can be totally eliminated (as in this case). With hog farms everywhere and meat products shipped from country to country and people traveling world wide in incredible numbers containment once escape of an infectious virus has happened is much more difficult, particularly when such a virus has a high resistance level.
Anyway, it's totally not a reason to avoid eating pork.
I do agree to the extent that whatever pork is consumed should be handled with precautions and only well done cooked meat is safe.
I am not sure and haven't looked for information whether or not other means of curing (drying, smoking ) pork such as ham or sausages is adequate to kill any of the swine flue virus.
Most of the other known "bugs" in pork are relatively harmless to humans with the exception of Trichinosis, a parasitic disease common in bear meat, or home reared pigs.
(prevention:
Cooking meat products to an internal temperature of 165 °F (74 °C) for a minimum of 15 seconds. Freezing pork less than 6 inches thick for 20 days at-15 °C.)
Commercially raised pork is inspected and commercially cured meats are considered safe by the US Department of Agriculture. | |
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Posted: 5/7/2009 1:58:14 PM | Canada is basically a trichinosis free zone as we learned over 30 years ago that the parasite was caused by feeding the pigs "slop" as they have a very "permissive" gastrointestinal tract. It is safe.
Which is a nice segue into:
An alternative view on the "swine flu" because I couldn't say it any better, here is some copy and pasting. I will provide the links to the full articles quoted here:
(these are shortened, there's more information, available on the website)
© Copyright Michel Chossudovsky, Global Research, 2009
The url address of this article is: www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=13492
© Copyright F. William Engdahl, Global Research, 2009
The url address of this article is: www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=13480
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The WHO announced on May 1st that it will be dropping the designation of "swine flu". The flu will henceforth be designated A H1N1, to be known more broadly as "the Mexican Flu", intimating that the disease originated in Mexico through human to human transmission.
Swine influenza refers to "strains of influenza virus, that usually infect pigs". The terminology, therefore, is important, because if the pandemic is labelled "Mexican flu", the presumption is that Mexicans, namely humans, are the source of the disease.
The term "Swine Flu', on the contrary, suggests that the pigs, at least initially, transmit the virus to humans, and, therefore, the issue of animal health must also be addressed.
The news reports have largely focussed on the transmission from humans to humans. They have failed to address the abysmal environmental and health conditions affecting the hog population in factory farms, which are central to an understanding two fundamental processes:
a) the proliferation of the disease within the hog factory farms.
b) the process of transmission of the virus from pigs to humans.
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The media has the distinct ability of turning realities upside down. Canada's print media, radio and network TV, in chorus, point to a Mexican worker on a hog farm in Alberta, identified as being responsible for having infected 220 pigs out of a herd of 2200 in an unnamed central Alberta hog factory farm...
"Pig flu" is not a "novel" phenomenon as suggested by the media, neither is the H1N1 strain. Known and documented pigs are the original source of transmission: from pigs to humans and from humans to humans.
The official story, however, is that the Canadian pigs in the province of Alberta had been infected with swine flu by a Mexican farm worker, namely human to pig transmission. Conversely, these same officials deny the transmission from pigs to humans. The official reports are unequivocal: Canadian pigs could not have infected people working in the hog factory including the Mexican farm worker...
There is reason to believe that hog factories in North America could potentially be the source of transmission. In the US since 2005, 12 reported cases of swine flu among humans were recorded, all of which were related to direct contact or proximity to pigs, according the the Centre for Disease Control (CDC). These figures do not included unreported cases.
What is the underlying causality. The fundamental question with regard to Alberta and other hog producing regions in North America is: Who is infecting whom?
Did a farm worker returning from Mexico infect the pigs?
Or did the Canadian pigs, confined to an unsanitary, polluted and confined environment, transmit the disease, initially within the 2200 herd, which then led to the infection of humans, namely people working in the hog factory in proximity of the pigs?
If this is the case, the origins and causes of the pandemic are dramatically different to those presented by the WHO and the Obama Administration. We would no longer be dealing with the "Mexican Flu", transmitted from Mexico, but with a disease which originates in North America's hog factory farms.
One would at least expect in an investigation that all the facts and causalities underlying the transmission of the virus be carefully examined. The name of the farm in central Alberta has not been released. No press interview or reports have been conducted at the farm on location. The identity of the Mexican worker who allegedly infected the pigs has not been made public. An aura of secrecy prevails: From the available information, the official story that the pigs were infected by a farm worker, who contracted the swine flu in Mexico cannot be corroborated.
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Feces is the Latin term for what most of the world terms shit, the waste product of human or animal digestion. Pigs are world champion waste producers. An average pig produces some three times in weight the amount of fecal matter that an adult person does. As GRAIN, an agricultural organization reports, ‘the rise of large-scale factory farms in North America has created the perfect breeding grounds for the emergence and spread of new highly-virulent strains of influenza.’7 The pig fecal waste product is at the center of the problem, something the CDC name change conveniently tends to obscure.
As the GRAIN study notes, because concentrated animal feeding operations tend to concentrate large numbers of animals close together, they are ideal breeding grounds for toxins and virulent pathogens. In 2003 Science magazine warned that swine flu was ‘on a new evolutionary ‘fast track’ due to the increasing size of factory farms and the widespread use of vaccines in these operations.’8 It’s the same story with bird flu, where huge industrial CAFO Factory Farms with tens of thousands of chickens breed toxic waste galore.
Smithfield Foods, the world’s biggest hog butcher and CAFO owner has an impressive track record of violations of health and safety including water safety laws.
As Jeff Tietz, in an analysis of the pig waste problem calculated, ‘the best estimates put Smithfield's total waste discharge at 26 million tons a year. That would fill four Yankee Stadiums
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Rather than order a full-scale independent investigation into the pathogen-generation in the toxic waste of Smithfield Foods’ Veracruz CAFO pig operations or other similar pig CAFOs around the world for production of deadly toxics and various possible pathogens, the CDC and increasingly the WHO seem to be more concerned with creating a climate for mass distribution of what have been documented to be dangerous, and in some cases deadly, influenza drugs such as Tamiflu.
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On April 24, the WHO issued a press release stating that ‘The Swine Influenza A/H1N1 viruses characterized in this outbreak have not been previously detected in pigs or humans. The viruses so far characterized have been sensitive to oseltamivir…’ Osteltamivir is the technical name for Tamiflu, the drug invented by Donald Rumsfeld’s Gilead Sciences and licensed to Roche Inc. The US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) issued a convenient Emergency Authorization on April 27 that allows US health officials and others to administer Tamiflu even to infants under one year of age. The FDA statement added it had decided, ‘to authorize the use of unapproved or uncleared medical products or unapproved or uncleared uses of approved or cleared medical products following a determination and declaration of emergency.’17
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With the evidence to date of the scale of the ‘confirmed’ cases of Swine Flu H1N1 variety worldwide, 985 cases of influenza A (H1N1) or Swine Flu infection, there is hardly grounds to subject the human population to drugs whose side effects have included death or severe complications and typically flu-like symptoms and, as in the case of Tamiflu, never even claim to ‘prevent or cure’ the influenza. The entire drama of the past weeks is reading more and more like a bad remake of Crichton’s Andromeda Strain
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With the reported cases in Mexico clearly dropping off at present and little sign of the feared repeat of the 1918 Spanish Flu or worse as officials were warning only days earlier, it is well beyond time to launch a full-scale worldwide health inquiry into the toxic conditions of CAFO pig and other animal Factory Farm concentrations, and to end the official coverup of what has become a colossal health danger." | |
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Posted: 5/7/2009 7:33:26 PM | thanks fore the info Quadly and raising the issues of food farming, I couldn't agree with you more.
But in all honesty when we look at the total amount of need and the mishaps inevitably occurring it is amazing not more has happened. Specially when we take a look at many farmers attitudes what they throw onto the crop to make it grow, more often smaller outfits, less educated and monitored than the larger ones. That's enough to turn any sworn vegetarian into carnivore. Of the meats poultry is probably the most toxic and even the farmed fish contains more nasty metals than is good for us. Biological contamination by virus and bacteria are just harder to cover up.
Considering population growth and more poorer nations acquiring higher standard of living and consumption I fear the matter will get much worse before we may find a better solution. Our oceans the largest natural resource is nearly depleted....
Anyway back to A (H1N1) . Is there any evidence that the virus originated from the pig or mutated in pigs or did it originate from people or another source?
BTW the statement "Canada is basically a trichinosis free zone " applies to domestic pigs.
The trichinosis worm is widely distributed across N America and quite common in wild pigs and bears. | |
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Posted: 5/16/2009 10:07:22 PM | I received the following bulletin a few days ago.
2007 - Chinese year of the Chicken - Bird Flu Pandemic devastates parts of Asia
2008 - Chinese year of the Horse - Equine Influenza decimates Australian racing
2009 - Chinese year of the Pig - Swine Flu Pandemic kills hundreds of pigs around the globe. People die too.
Has any one else noticed this?
It gets worse... next year...
2010 - Chinese year of the Cock - what could possibly go wrong? | |
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Posted: 5/16/2009 10:12:53 PM | ^^^ 
OMFGosh!!! That is hilarious. I can't wait for next year now. Guess I shouldn't make any plans to go near any c0cks until 2011. Thank God there isn't a Chinese year of the vag.  | |
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Posted: 5/18/2009 7:51:45 AM | IRONY AT ITS BEST: 190 people get the Swine Flu and everybody wants to wear a mask. 10 million people have AIDS and no one wants to wear a condom.
The media strikes fear and paranoia into our hearts about every "new outbreak", just because we don't know enough to make a valid opinion on our own. First it was the Avian Flu, now it's the Swine Flu, what's next? the Canine Flu???? | |
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Posted: 5/18/2009 3:56:21 PM | | No, I dont think we will have Canine flue until 2018 if you are following the Chinese Zodiac Calendar. In 2020, we may have to contend with plague because it will be the year of the rat, spealing of which ................ well, nevermind. Let's just say I know who you are and where you live. (Joke : ) x10) The only thing holding me back is some sort of flu and yes the symptoms are similar to H1N1 but I have been near anyone who has been to Mexico. | |
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Posted: 5/18/2009 4:42:01 PM | 
I will have to remember to stay away from roosters next year... just in case! | |
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Posted: 5/18/2009 5:37:49 PM | ^
Ya!!!
You're not gonna want to catch that "c0ck" flu
I hear that gets pretty nasty and messy!!!
(why the F does it keep saying my message is too short? the woman above me posted even less. I'm being discriminated against!!) | |
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Posted: 5/18/2009 5:50:48 PM | http://mollyh2os.home.att.net/zodiac/rooster_lunar.html
The last year of the Rooster was in 2005 which I believe you refer to as the c$ck. Add 12 and the next year of the Rooster wont be until 2019. The Chinese Zodiac works in 12 year cycles all of this means that the Ox has been messing with someone by sending a little BS his way. Oh, well, there are always suckers who speak of c?cks which are really Roosters in the Chinese Zodiac. | |
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Posted: 9/24/2009 7:27:06 PM | | this info might help you out: www.projectcamelot.org/jane_burgermeister.html | |
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Posted: 9/24/2009 8:08:07 PM | | The second wave is here. Some people are a little freaked. Others, like myself, will take their chances. School is in session and students are coming down with H1N1. We are told that they are rushing the vaccination and that it may not be safe if they rush. Complicating factors is it said that a study shows that having the flu shot increases the odds of getting H1n1. | |
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Posted: 9/26/2009 6:39:29 PM | | In the big scheme of things maybe it is a way of population control. World needs some kind of control, eventually there will not be enough of anything for the amount of people that now habitat the somewhat doomed planet. Calling it like I see it. | |
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Posted: 9/28/2009 8:56:47 PM | Shablo5, your post is completely uninformed and preposterous. How could more people have died from H1N1
vaccine than from the disease if no such vaccine even existed at the time of your post?
If you meant from flu vaccines in general, you are still wrong. Where did you get this idea? From some mad blogger? Certainly not from any scientific source. Canada loses thousands of people to influenza every year. To an old person, their own life is still worth at least as much as that of th young around them. Each person's life is their own whole universe.
Others: Could we afford to lose a few million people? What we need to do is to NOT MAKE as many people, and a few million aren't enough to matter. There were less than a billion on the planet before 1900: in my 56 years I saw world population estimates grow from about 1.5 billion to 6.6 billion. That's doubling every 25 years. Twice or more in most people's lives.
Sure, one can be corrupt and stupid enough to screw up a world with far fewer people in it, too. But we keep learning more about how not to; alas, the population keeps outgrowing us. Malthus was ridiculed but he was right. There IS a limit to what the earth can support at any level of survival skill, and we're not keeping up.
Massive revolutions in agriculture and life-support have kept ahead of starvation - but at the cost of borrowing resources from the future. Now we know that even if we keep extracting resources at every-higher levels, we still have to deal with disposal of wastes, including climate change from CO2 disposal. We can't get out of it simply by sacrificing more and lowering living standards and improving efficiency - sustainablity means preventing runaway growth. No matter how much we manage to provide (and clean up) we can be outrun.
We now HAVE the knowledge and will and understanding to make the population of the 16th century world happy and peaceful. But we have the population of a 21st century world.
The only sacrifice that can save us is sacrificing some of the unborn children we might otherwise have. Rooting for disease to kill us brings suffering and waste without advantage.
HIV/AIDS has killed millions without even making a dent in human population growth. Why is it so successful? It's not particularly easy to transmit, and it's 100% lethal, so self-limiting of virulence isn't the answer. AIDS is a big thing because of its extremely lnog incubation period - up to ten years, usually at least two to three. And it usually doesn't kill people before reproductive age, so it can't control population effectively.
Most colds and flus are only infectious for a day to three days before symptoms are evident; H1N1 swine flu seems to be able to incubate for at least two to three days and up to a week. This makes it much harder to control outbreaks without vaccination.
SARS presented symptoms in hours to a day and a half in most cases. Intensely infectious, but relatively easy to track and isolate.
Both swine flus and human flus have been around for a long time. But their antibody profile - what we label as the H and N complexes - keep changing; new mixtures require new immunities. The increased susceptibility in younger people may be the result of resurfacing genes from very old strains that older people have had some previous exposure and immunity to. Or it may be, as is being studied, the result of an over-stong immune reaction, dubbed "immune storm."
We are still learning as we go - with the benefit of the Australian experience. Pay attention to research, particularly the most recent, and whether earlier theories are still current or being displaced or disproved.
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Posted: 9/28/2009 9:05:59 PM | awesome post edbear:
The increased susceptibility in younger people may be the result of resurfacing genes from very old strains that older people have had some previous exposure and immunity to. Or it may be, as is being studied, the result of an over-stong immune reaction, dubbed "immune storm."
The first part of that quote was easy enough to understand, but ...... the result of an over-strong immune reaction.....lost me a little. If you have time, could you clarify a little for me. I am trying to understand the link between youth and over-strong immune reaction?
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Posted: 9/29/2009 5:59:34 AM | The human immune system reacts by several methods to fight infections; some, such as fever or release of agents like cytokines which puncture cell membranes, can damage healthy cells if excessive.
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