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 sabbycat149

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how is the universe expanding?
Posted: 5/7/2009 10:29:24 AM
^^^^^^^ Or known as the Breath of Brama were the universe expands,is static, then collapses,is static and expands again over and over.Functioning like a wave form.
 Gwendolyn2009

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how is the universe expanding?
Posted: 5/7/2009 10:35:23 AM
^^^^

Exactly. If infinity exists, the universe will reform itself an infinite number of time.
 farceur

Joined: 5/3/2009
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how is the universe expanding?
Posted: 5/7/2009 6:34:35 PM
The universe is expanding by more things happening. The more things that happen, the bigger it gets. Each thing that happens increases the size of the universe by the amount of that thing happening. Before anything happened, there was no universe. Then, one thing led to another and now all kinds of things have happened since, are happening and will continue to happen. To know how things happen at all is another question. But this is how the universe expands. There needs to be someplace for things to happen. And just to add to how freaky it is, when something remains as it is, that counts as something else that is happening. You can see there needs to be a lot of expansion to accommodate all the happenings. If less things ever happen, the universe will shrink accordingly.
 Gwendolyn2009

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how is the universe expanding?
Posted: 5/7/2009 8:24:21 PM

Before anything happened, there was no universe.


Wait, wait, wait . . . before anything was happening? I don't buy into a time before something was happening.
 chrono1985

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Posted: 5/8/2009 3:35:38 AM

The universe is expanding by more things happening. The more things that happen, the bigger it gets. Each thing that happens increases the size of the universe by the amount of that thing happening. Before anything happened, there was no universe. Then, one thing led to another and now all kinds of things have happened since, are happening and will continue to happen. To know how things happen at all is another question. But this is how the universe expands. There needs to be someplace for things to happen. And just to add to how freaky it is, when something remains as it is, that counts as something else that is happening. You can see there needs to be a lot of expansion to accommodate all the happenings. If less things ever happen, the universe will shrink accordingly.


This is such a beautiful way to put it and the reason why Douglas Adams chose 42 to be the answer to life, the universe, and everything. Imagine 42, now image 2 didn't exist, now the 4 didn't exist, keep moving like that. It's what the whole you perform an action but you also didn't at the same time, you can start with something as simple as 1 + 1 = 2 and form a completely never ending cycle of expansion through such a system. There does come a point where it reaches, for lack of better understanding, what I heard it called in a popular anime: "The Limit of Questions", or as we may better understand it "The End of the Universe" or "The Sum of Knowledge"; I'm sure everyone's heard or came up with at least one incarnation of it, seems to be ingrained in our very being.
 abelian

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how is the universe expanding?
Posted: 5/10/2009 10:26:03 PM

If the big bang theory is correct, the universe has expanded many times, reaching its "potential" and then imploding. Maybe there are many universes out there, exploding, expanding, imploding on a regular basis.


The evidence indicates there is nowhere near enough matter to close the universe. The only real question is whether the universe will expand asymtotically or whether it will expand rapidly enough to end in the ``big rip'' as it's called. The evididence points toward the latter. The problem is that you are trying to think that the concept of time and ``now'' means anything beyond the universe. It doesn't.
 abelian

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Posted: 5/10/2009 10:35:31 PM
You are awrae the most powerful microscopes can see atoms right? There have been pictures of atoms in various recent scientific journals.

I am aware that there are computer reconstructions of data obtained from atomic force microscopes, but you certainly cannot ``see'' an atom in the ordinary meaning of the word ``see.'' The shortest wavelength of visible light is around 4000 A. An atom is much smaller.


You probably mean that the nucleus of an atom is just a theory.

No, I mean the atom is a theory. Do you actually have a photograph of an electron in an orbital. No. That would be rather difficult, since the electron is known to have an upper limit on its radius of less than 10^-17 meters.

This is because we can't actually see the nucleus of the atom as it is completely enshrouded in an electron cloud. However we know it exists because energy passed through that electron cloud mostly passes through. However there is a small point in the center where it is bounced back.

I'm a nuclear physicist and I spent years doing just that and writing papers about it.
 abelian

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Posted: 5/10/2009 10:39:41 PM

I don't believe math allows one to just pluck out and move values across that big old = sign.


Huh? Why not? That's simple algebra:

A + B = C
A + B - A = C - A
B = C - A
 Vancer

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Posted: 5/11/2009 12:19:01 AM
Huh? Why not? That's simple algebra:

A + B = C
A + B - A = C - A
B = C - A


Do my communication skills suck that bad.
I guess I need to think harder on how I should word something.

I should have just posted an example like you did.
Thanks for helping to show what I was trying to say.
I'm not even sure anymore that what I meant back there, was really relevant to what I was responding to anyway.
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