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Posted: 10/29/2009 2:58:28 PM |
Um...swine flu = cabbage patch doll...yup, I can see that connection
Right from the cabbage patch doll marketing ploy
another pat on the back for the PR guy.
you cant see nothing I fear
obviously you have an agenda sg
now I have one too...
ignore your posts from now on
your getting like a broken record...blah ..blah..blah
oh and stop with all the labels as frogo does..ad hom...etc.
you fondle yourself with him in mind as well ?
find your own niche in life ..if you can that is
dont bother responding sg...
just go away or at least ignore me as I will you.
anyways its been a busy day
and I havent had a chance to get caught up on anything yet..
Anyone know if there is any word as to when
they expect this virus to start slowing down at all ?
weeks ...months ? | |
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| H1N1 has mutated. We're screwed now!
Posted: 10/29/2009 6:15:19 PM | A subset question we chose to ignore, is how does the perceived "need" to inoculate, against this particular virus, work in the long term as far as human resiliency over the short term.
These viruses mutate every season. We have also mutated every season, with our immune systems adjusting thus far. As seen with the over prescriptions of anti-biotics in the last 80 year experiment, the bugs mutate faster than our science can keep up. Yes, we have had temporary successes in controlling polio, malaria and other afflictions, but these are fleeting successes as far as we know. The unknown issue of how we can best survive these evolutionary assaults on our species, has something to do with how we panic or adapt. Right now we are in panic. The short term gain of keeping a few million from perishing, may be paid in full when the population as a whole is wiped out from drug resistence due to over-prescriptions of vaccines.
Corporations that control our media, our medicines and perceptions, are now protected from totally screwing us over. There are thousands of cases where previously "safe cures" have been pulled from the shelves. The debate as it is, has more to do with having actual truth, vs. panic compliance. I prefer statistics to prove my fears wrong, vs. stats that prove people dubious. We've been screwed so many times by so many "safe" things, that it is hard to succumb to peer pressure and government assurances.
What does not kill you, makes you stronger. Famous last words, but perhaps a warning to the species to buck up and evolve faster than the Meek Who Shall Inherit the Earth...the little things...viral and microbial. | |
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| H1N1 has mutated. We're screwed now!
Posted: 10/29/2009 6:16:05 PM | A subset question we chose to ignore, is how does the perceived "need" to inoculate, against this particular virus, work in the long term as far as human resiliency over the short term.
These viruses mutate every season. We have also mutated every season, with our immune systems adjusting thus far. As seen with the over prescriptions of anti-biotics in the last 80 year experiment, the bugs mutate faster than our science can keep up. Yes, we have had temporary successes in controlling polio, malaria and other afflictions, but these are fleeting successes as far as we know. The unknown issue of how we can best survive these evolutionary assaults on our species, has something to do with how we panic or adapt. Right now we are in panic. The short term gain of keeping a few million from perishing, may be paid in full when the population as a whole is wiped out from drug resistence due to over-prescriptions of vaccines.
Corporations that control our media, our medicines and perceptions, are now protected from totally screwing us over. There are thousands of cases where previously "safe cures" have been pulled from the shelves. The debate as it is, has more to do with having actual truth, vs. panic compliance. I prefer statistics to prove my fears wrong, vs. stats that prove people dubious. We've been screwed so many times by so many "safe" things, that it is hard to succumb to peer pressure and government assurances.
What does not kill you, makes you stronger. Famous last words, but perhaps a warning to the species to buck up and evolve faster than the Meek Who Shall Inherit the Earth...the little things...viral and microbial. | |
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Posted: 10/29/2009 6:29:35 PM | | Well Americans are screwed. Canadians have the vaccine. I know in some states they are giving the nasal spray because they ran out of vaccine. Funny that always seems to happen in the states. Probably rich people buying it all up to sell it for profit. | |
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Posted: 10/29/2009 9:47:27 PM | When I see the line ups outside the hospitals and clinics on the news.
I have to wonder how long its going to be,
before that line is full of the sick and dieing .
With a health care system buckled at its knees already and hosplitals at capacity
this could be a winter like we have never had to endure .
I hope people grab a few extra things next time you go shopping in case you get sick
extra meds
extra food | |
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Posted: 10/29/2009 10:09:13 PM | I find it interesting that only a few months ago, the medical "experts" were saying that those who got the flu shot last year are at a higher risk of geting H1N1.
I will not get this flu shot, and have not received any flu shot all my life, and I am a very healthy person. I do not run to the doctor for a sniffle.
I rarely get the flu. I can't even remember the last time I have gotten the flu.
I believe in building up our immune system in our bodies.
These flu shots do not allow for this.
I believe these immunizations weaken the natural immunities in our bodies.
That is how I read what the experts were saying about who were at more risk at getting H1N1 now.
This was immediately hushed very quickly.
Then there was talk about the unhealthy components of the vaccination.
Now, that seems to be hushed up as well.
Now, they are pushing for people to get this vaccination. Why such a frenzy?
As has already been noted, every year people die from flu systems. We don't have a high rate of death here in North America, but death does happen.
I would find it interesting to know the stats of how many have died each year ... I mean real substantiated stats.
It will be interesting to see the side-effects of this vaccine ...... remember the vacine can only address the flu strains that are known. It cannot address any new flu strains that will continue to occur all the time.
Many people get H1N1, as many people get flus.
The question is how many die from it?
At our school, we have 2 students now who apparently have H1N1.
They are at home, and still alive.
They want anyone who has any flu systems to stay home, so to reduce the chance of others getting it. This is wise, especially if it is such a strong flu strain.
IMHO, this is wiser than getting the flu shot.
I do feel that the flu shot may be good for people who are stressing their bodies or have weaker immune systems now, such as the Olympic athletes, pregnant women, very young children, seniors, and unhealthy people, since their immune systems are not very strong.
Then you will take the risk of any side-effects of the vacination.
But, healthy people should be trying to battle flus by building up their immune system. | |
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| H1N1 has mutated. We're screwed now!
Posted: 10/30/2009 12:04:38 AM |
Well Americans are screwed. Canadians have the vaccine.
actually WE... Canadians are screwed too!
catch the news tonight?... we are almost out of the vaccine and this is only 4 days into the national immunization.
yup...apparently health officials are saying that Canada will run out of vaccines by next week.
seems that the company in Canada manufacturing the vaccines had to shut down production to produce the modified vaccines for pregnant women.
Production of the regular H1N1 vaccine will start up production again at some point...the delay might take us sometime into December.
ya....we are screwed! I have kids.... and it is scary as hell. I want them vaccinated. | |
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Posted: 10/30/2009 2:41:32 AM | Those of us thinking of getting the vaccine think again. This vaccine is nothing more than a money making product that also pushes plans to cull some of the population. The same people who engineered swine flu are the ones offering the the vaccine. If you do your research you will find loads of doctors and scientists who are completely refusing to get the vaccine but offering it to everyone else.
The vaccine contains something called Thimerosal which 50% mercury. Mercury is a poisonous heavy metal that is a known neuro toxin. the levels in these vaccines are 25 000 times higher than what is reccomended as safe in food and water by the FDA. The levels are very high and can easily cause autism in children, GBS in adults and many other neurological damages. There has already been a few paralyzed people from the vaccine and 5 deaths form it in Europe.
Don't be a sheep and get the vaccine because the media told you to... please..
Wake up to what is going on here and educate yourself before you do anything.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e32EJ2oCikQ
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| H1N1 has mutated. We're screwed now!
Posted: 10/30/2009 5:11:51 AM |
When I see the line ups outside the hospitals and clinics on the news.
I have to wonder how long its going to be,
before that line is full of the sick and dieing .
With a health care system buckled at its knees already and hosplitals at capacity
this could be a winter like we have never had to endure .
I hope people grab a few extra things next time you go shopping in case you get sick
extra meds
extra food
This is the sort of thing that encourages panic. There is no need. No need at all. | |
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| H1N1 has mutated. We're screwed now!
Posted: 10/30/2009 5:12:27 AM |
When I see the line ups outside the hospitals and clinics on the news.
I have to wonder how long its going to be,
before that line is full of the sick and dieing .
With a health care system buckled at its knees already and hosplitals at capacity
this could be a winter like we have never had to endure .
I hope people grab a few extra things next time you go shopping in case you get sick
extra meds
extra food
This is the sort of thing that encourages panic. There is no need. No need at all. | |
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Posted: 10/30/2009 5:26:46 AM | | All I can say is the level of paranoia on this thread is hard to believe. Also the lack of scientific education in both the US and Canada. There is a "risk-benefit" ratio with everything and the protection against complications and deaths, especially for high risk groups, far outweighs the risks. People are making judgements based upon anecdotal evidence and "pseudo-science". | |
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Posted: 10/30/2009 5:59:12 AM | ^^^^ i find the level of paranoia somewhat refreshing if not outright humorous and at least, infinitely preferable to a political climate where the end so often justifies the means, or a society where every single person accepts everything from the mouth of "authority" wholesale and without question.
the ability to be skeptical is ultimately a lot more important than blind faith, even if the basis for one's skeptical line of questioning is mere "pseudo-science".
just sayin. | |
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Posted: 10/30/2009 6:02:16 AM |
There is a "risk-benefit" ratio with everything and the protection against complications and deaths, especially for high risk groups, far outweighs the risks. People are making judgements based upon anecdotal evidence and "pseudo-science".
Maybe. Maybe not. Just because you don't know anyone who suffered complications by vaccines rushed into production under government pressure, doesn't mean they don't exist. My best friend developed GBS after he got his flu shot back in the 1970s. We missed his company for 6 months before he finally told us where he went. He was too ashamed of the side of his face sagging uncontrollably to go out. Not that his left side being mostly paralyzed would have made doing so too ejoyable for him.
If the University of Tulsa Gulf War Syndrome studies were so flawed, why did the U.S. government try to counter it with three studies of its own, only to have one of their own flawed and the other seriously modified, finally finding what they claimed wasn't there? Who is practicing the real pseudo-science? The third was no more than statistical research using different criteria than the Tulsa study, in a manner obviously designed to counter it directly but without mention.
People typically won't know of any complications of this rushed vaccine for months down the road and perhaps even longer. It makes me wonder - vaccine production is a fairly straightforward process. There are only a couple of reasons that the expected 120 million doses suddenly dwindled to 26 million. The first is that the virus is slow to reproduce (meaning it is NOT highly virulent). That IS a characteristic of this virus - it takes twice as long for it to reproduce than normal flu virus. But researchers were aware of that fact at least 3-4 months ago, so it's doubtful that is the real reason. The other possibilities are that there was some flaw in early production batches, or they found something in a bunch of it before distribution that we aren't being told about, so a bunch of it had to be disposed of. Manufacturers and government agencies were promising everything would be ready to go by October - as recently as the end of August. By then production would already have been well underway. Something happened between then and now.
The most plausible explanation, as hinted by Sebelius' press conference a few days ago - is that there WERE complications with a large portion of the vaccines and so there's now a shortage of it. Astrazeneca who produces FluMist predicted this might happen with other manufacturers months before, and so pushed their production to fullest possible capacity. A few weeks back, they were given an additional order from the government for another 20 million doses. Sebelius and her crew and their bosses just aren't telling you the whole story. | |
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Posted: 10/31/2009 9:39:38 AM | http://www.suntimes.com/news/otherviews/1857334,CST-EDT-open31b.article
" Onion's Obama headline may not be so funny after all
October 31, 2009
BY ANDREW LEONARD
The first time I read the Onion report, "Obama's Declaration Of Swine Flu Emergency Prompts Pro-Swine-Flu Republican Response," I laughed (because it's darn funny), but then I cried -- because it's just not too far from the truth. Whatever Obama does, is, by GOP definition, bad. Which means satire like the Onion's cuts too close to the bone:
"Republican leaders announced Wednesday that they were officially endorsing the swine flu. 'Thousands of Americans -- hardworking ordinary Americans like you and me -- already have H1N1,' Republican National Committee chairman Michael Steele said during a press conference. 'Now Obama wants to take that away from us. Ask yourself: Do you want the federal government making these kinds of health care decisions for you and your family?' "
Ho ho ho.
But then I read about what the swine flu is doing to health-care insurer profits in Brett Chase's Portfolio blog, Heavy Doses.
"The cost of treating and preventing the flu is adding to medical claims," reports Heavy Doses, "which means health insurers are reporting lower earnings this quarter even as Washington lawmakers accuse them of having inflated profit."
Declining profits might seem, at first blush, like a bad thing for the health-care insurer industry. (Did you know, by the way, that the U.S. is the only developed country that even has a for-profit health-care insurance industry?) But maybe not. With health-care reform all but certain, perhaps it is advantageous for the health-care industry to take a profit hit, right about now.
More from Chase:
"While the flu trends are severe, they may 'conveniently' have an impact on profits for the second half of this year, Thomas Carroll, a Stifel Nicolaus analyst in Baltimore, writes in a recent note to clients. 'Influenza impacts health plan profits on an annual basis, and given reform activities, [health insurance] managements may overly emphasize the potential impact.' "
Now I'm rethinking whether the Onion's report really is satire.
Maybe Republicans do oppose efforts to combat the swine flu. Because, perversely, no swine flu would mean higher profits for the health-care insurers, which would mean a better chance of tougher reforms getting passed.
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Posted: 10/31/2009 11:59:52 AM | ^^^^xxxDINOxxx , you expressed some very interesting ideas...
I keep having one that I know will get some posters' feathers ruffled...
For many decades, we humans have been fooling around with all kinds of medical research trying to trick mother nature.
In my country, we take great efforts to keep babies alive that maybe should not have lived. We take great efforts to keep very sick people alive that maybe should expire in comfort...
We have overpopulated the earth and the weakest among us, seem to be making the most babies. We have so disrupted and perhaps messed up our natural health systems that something sometime will give!
Anyway, I keep having this thought that maybe it is mother nature's way to cull our race. We are on top of the food chain and we have no predators to keep us from taking over the natural cycle of this planet.
So, maybe, a pandemic to a degree is a good thing?...
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Side thought: In nature, if for example, in one year the season creates an environment ideal for mice to reproduce because of the bounty of food, then, the cats will also over produce because they in turn are well fed. This cycle will keep the mice from taking over and once there is less mice, there will be less cats and they sort of keep each other in check. The strongest will reproduce, creating healthy offsprings...
The same with deer and wolves... etc...
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I know... I fully expect to have rotten tomatoes thrown at me...
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Posted: 10/31/2009 12:08:48 PM | Of course, duh, why didn't we think of that! Let's stop all this science and let nature kill us off in much higher numbers, everyone benefits in the long run as humans are wiped from the planet. So what if people grieve for the dead and those dying a horrible death, some of us might live! Yea, the final solution. Makes one wonder why humans have any brains at all, seeing how using one's brain is such a waste and all.  | |
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| H1N1 has mutated. We're screwed now!
Posted: 10/31/2009 5:32:16 PM |
you cant see nothing I fear
obviously you have an agenda sg
now I have one too...
ignore your posts from now on
your getting like a broken record...blah ..blah..blah
Oh, and what would that agenda be? Am I one of "them?" Or do I just think you're wrong?
oh and stop with all the labels as frogo does..ad hom...etc.
you fondle yourself with him in mind as well ?
find your own niche in life ..if you can that is
speaks for itself... | |
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Posted: 10/31/2009 6:54:23 PM |
oh and stop with all the labels as frogo does..ad hom...etc.
you fondle yourself with him in mind as well ?
Entirely inappropriate, and you know it. Personal attacks, weaken your refutations. If you want to prove the plausibility of your argument, stick by your convictions.
If you come in the "spirit" of debate, (please...don't read too much into "spirit"...it is a term I like to use, for collective thoughts, values and actions), detach...and nurture a willingness to learn...
That is about as PC as I get.
Stargazer, provides provocative thought... | |
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| H1N1 has mutated. We're screwed now!
Posted: 10/31/2009 7:05:36 PM | | I have suspicions that the H1N1 flu is just a scare tactic, meant to take away attention from something else. I heard on the news that this season’s strain of the H1N1 virus is no more harmful than the regular seasonal flu virus. If you are not in a high-risk group, your body should be able to fight it off. | |
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| H1N1 has mutated. We're screwed now!
Posted: 11/1/2009 12:28:12 AM |
In my country, we take great efforts to keep babies alive that maybe should not have lived. We take great efforts to keep very sick people alive that maybe should expire in comfort...
We have overpopulated the earth and the weakest among us, seem to be making the most babies. We have so disrupted and perhaps messed up our natural health systems that something sometime will give!
Anyway, I keep having this thought that maybe it is mother nature's way to cull our race. We are on top of the food chain and we have no predators to keep us from taking over the natural cycle of this planet.
So, maybe, a pandemic to a degree is a good thing?...
Well, I mean, I hate to call anything like that "good", but at the same time I do see where you're coming from basically. I have thought of things that way before myself. It's kind of .... a Malthusian line of thought, maybe? I guess. Either way it feels like a cold inhumane way to think IMO, but at the same time it makes sense to a point (which doesn't mean that I think we should stop trying to aggressively fight pandemics or help the stricken....I'm just saying.... all this from a purely "theoretical" sort of viewpoint).
Wars, natural disasters, pandemics, etc, yes , they have "culled" the herds of us , so to speak, at various times, and continue to do so at times (look at the tsunami in south Asia just a few yrs back; there you have generally impoverished areas, yet with I believe rather high birthrates, and thus when a disaster such as that strikes the people there are so highly concentrated , and really have no effective way of dealing with it , that hundreds of thousands simply perish) . And yet our race still expands.
So the population damage done by these kinds of things can't have been enough to have seriously disturbed our numbers or our positive growth in the long run. Even including just the last century alone, and let's look at it: two world wars with enormous overall death tolls in the millions, one of which featured a roughly 50% extermination of the people belonging to one ethno-religious minority, followed by a double "WMD" use by one of the warring countries against another; various warped interpretations of a certain 19th-century politico-economic system which ultimately ruled over about 1/6th or more of the world and directly or indirectly caused the deaths of millions upon millions more; the generalized and still ongoing "third-world" hunger and poverty; several mass-killing natural disasters; influenzas and other mass-killing diseases in the earlier parts of the century; HIV / AIDS emerging large-scale during the last 20 or 25 yrs of the century.... And yet, we're still arguably "overpopulated", and our growth rate apparently continues relatively unabated.
Amazingly resilient species, obviously (also obviously probably our own -- and several other species' -- worst enemy). As it stands now, looking at the way our population has withstood and indeed grown just over the past (oftentimes horrible) century, I find it hard to believe that we will EVER be very easily eliminated or "apocalypsed" entirely out of existence as some people sometimes believe (barring of course the literal destruction of the entire planet by some sort of cosmic event). We're like roaches (and I mean that in the most backhandedly complimentary way possible  ) ; leave only a few alive anywhere....and they WILL be back, in droves... | |
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| H1N1 has mutated. We're screwed now!
Posted: 11/1/2009 5:18:57 AM | H1N1 was a George Bush top secret WMD program introduced to eliminate L-n-L wingnuts..
A very simple plan since conservatives have medical insurance cover with acces to doctors and vaccine, and would therefore survive..... | |
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| H1N1 has mutated. We're screwed now!
Posted: 11/1/2009 6:37:33 AM | abby156 : wrote "I question early reports that this influenza was not "airborne". Every influenza I have known of can be if an infected person coughs or sneezes near another person. Droplets can be airborne."
The thing about droplets is this: You cough into your hand, or your kleenex, than you grab the kleenex with your hand put it in your pocket and done right? NO
Now you have the germs on your hand then you go touch the door, on your way out of where ever you are, your hand has just transferred the virus to the door, someone else walks behind you touches the door and walla.
I am not sure there is any place to hide at this point. Keep you immune system fully charged with plenty of rest and good food, So you can fight it when if you get it.
I am not sure how the virus has mutated I have not read this but will look into it.
I will tell you from personal experience it is a nasty virus. It's not ebola though it will just make you wish you were dead. So most people will live through it, It's not time to get out the space suit.
Were talking body aches, fever and muscle rigidy ugggggg not to mention some cases of sore throats and upper respiratory.
It can lead to other complications because it is such an acute immune downer.
The transfer of the virus is very fast
Biggest risks little kids and pregnant women. | |
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| H1N1 has mutated. We're screwed now!
Posted: 11/1/2009 7:10:25 AM | This if for the OP that asked on the mutation process.
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grippe_A_(H1N1)_de_2009
Scroll down, there is a chart that shoes the whole mutation process.
It is in French though. I went to the English version and it does not show this chart.
I will attempt translation.
There is the Eurasion swine flu.
H1N1 (swine flu)
H3H2 (human flu)
Bird flu
The human flu and the bird flu muted together.
It became the north american flu. (H3H2 and H1H2)
Then the northern american flu muted with the swine flu H1N1.
Then this flu bug then muted with the Eurasian swine flu.
It is now the H1N1 of 2009.
The visual chart shows it much more clearly.
The virus is more and more aggressive in trying to stay alive.
Some say it is man made. (The farming of thousands of animals confined in small spaces is not healthy and apparently this is one of the possible causes of the beginning of it all. ex: the super swine farms and the super chicken farms. Where the chicken farms are concerened... ---Chicken are kept in small cages and their sole purpose is to lay eggs and they have no room to roam. I know of a chicken farmer. He has 40 thousand birds all in cages stacked one on top of the other, almost 10 feet high. They lose their feathers and many die daily. Those chicken farms are horrible. I could not stay in this chicken barn. Anyway... It is all legal.)
PS: For those that will have a look at the chart...
Souche porcine = the swine source
Souche aviaire = the bird source
Souche humaine = the human source | |
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