| H1N1 has mutated. We're screwed now!
Posted: 11/1/2009 7:10:25 AM | This if for the OP that asked on the mutation process.
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grippe_A_(H1N1)_de_2009
Scroll down, there is a chart that shoes the whole mutation process.
It is in French though. I went to the English version and it does not show this chart.
I will attempt translation.
There is the Eurasion swine flu.
H1N1 (swine flu)
H3H2 (human flu)
Bird flu
The human flu and the bird flu muted together.
It became the north american flu. (H3H2 and H1H2)
Then the northern american flu muted with the swine flu H1N1.
Then this flu bug then muted with the Eurasian swine flu.
It is now the H1N1 of 2009.
The visual chart shows it much more clearly.
The virus is more and more aggressive in trying to stay alive.
Some say it is man made. (The farming of thousands of animals confined in small spaces is not healthy and apparently this is one of the possible causes of the beginning of it all. ex: the super swine farms and the super chicken farms. Where the chicken farms are concerened... ---Chicken are kept in small cages and their sole purpose is to lay eggs and they have no room to roam. I know of a chicken farmer. He has 40 thousand birds all in cages stacked one on top of the other, almost 10 feet high. They lose their feathers and many die daily. Those chicken farms are horrible. I could not stay in this chicken barn. Anyway... It is all legal.)
PS: For those that will have a look at the chart...
Souche porcine = the swine source
Souche aviaire = the bird source
Souche humaine = the human source | |
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| H1N1 has mutated. We're screwed now!
Posted: 11/1/2009 7:37:08 AM |
I have suspicions that the H1N1 flu is just a scare tactic, meant to take away attention from something else. I heard on the news that this season’s strain of the H1N1 virus is no more harmful than the regular seasonal flu virus. If you are not in a high-risk group, your body should be able to fight it off.
I beleive your right, sort of. I'm just getting over having H1N1. Although it has been the worst flu I've ever had (just very draining with a fever and a heavy chest), all I needed was plenty of rest and fluids... and some over the counter meds. After a week of suffering I'm beginning to see the light and I'm finally able to climb stairs without having to rest half way.
I can see how a young child, an elderly person or someone with medical issues may have a b1tch of a time with this flu... but for someone like myself who has a good immune system, it wasn't as bad as the media makes it out to be.
The one thing the doctors told me is NOT to come to the hospital! I went when I started to feel pain breathing, I waited 6 hours inthe emergency room and then they diagnosed me with H1N1. They basically told me that if I hear of anyone else with flu symptoms to stay home and not go anywhere. Drink lots, rest lots and if it gets so bad that you think you need to see a doctor, then, and only then, come to the hospital. Otherwise, if your just feeling a bit achy, why go to a place where the H1N1 is most prominent and your sure to catch it?
My friend works retail and can't believe the amount of people out and about coughing and hacking and blowing thier noses. Where I live, most schools are only half full and most stores are running on skeleton crews because everyone is home with the flu, or is living with someone with the flu.
If you have symptoms, or live with someone who has the flu, do us all a favor and stay home! Thanks. | |
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| H1N1 has mutated. We're screwed now!
Posted: 11/1/2009 8:18:42 AM |
it wasn't as bad as the media makes it out to be
Everybody loves to beat up on the media. However, having worked in newsgathering, you're only as good as your sources and this is an evolving situation.
In 1918, it was the able-bodied that got hit hardest, in many ways because they were the ones most out and mingling. And there have been indications that this flu has been worse than the seasonal flu. | |
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| H1N1 has mutated. We're screwed now!
Posted: 11/1/2009 8:26:12 AM |
it wasn't as bad as the media makes it out to be
I'm assuming you're aware that two people affected with the same flu strain will not have the exact same symptoms. There are people who have died from flus that we have all had in the past, and there are people who have died from H1N1. Conversely, I'm sure there are people who had fewer symptoms from H1N1 then you did. It is never accurate to draw sweeping conclusions from a single case.
Consider the family of a person who died from H1N1. Consider how loony your statement would seem. Consider how inaccurate it is.
While I'm certainly not impressed with the panic that seems to have ensued on this thread, one case (yours or anyone else's) tells us nothing. | |
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| H1N1 has mutated. We're screwed now!
Posted: 11/1/2009 11:13:50 AM | | It is because the H1N1 is being detected in healthy adults and older children with no underlying heath problems that the concern is from, influenza usually infects the very young, old and those with compromised immune systems. Have some medications in the house, I stock up before cold/flu season begins, have groceries in the house and some cash on hand, this is so you are not going out in the public/stores/banks and spreading it around, a good suggestion from another poster. The other problem we are seeing in Canada, is a secondary infection of the lungs from bacterial Pneumonia causing fluid buildup and inpairing lung function after the virus compromises the immune system. The H1N1 is a nasty bug but panic doesn't help anyone, be responsible stay home if symptoms arise, go to the hospital if breathing is difficult and laboured, but I still think the flu shot is still better for the ones at the highest risk, but that is for individuals to decide for themselves. | |
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| H1N1 has mutated. We're screwed now!
Posted: 11/1/2009 12:27:06 PM |
In 1918, it was the able-bodied that got hit hardest, in many ways because they were the ones most out and mingling. And there have been indications that this flu has been worse than the seasonal flu.
Well, it was the able-bodied who are thought to have caused the rapid spread of the 1917-1919 virus. After all, there was a war on with hundreds of thousands of troops being moved in and out of battle theaters constantly. But that's not the reason they got hit the hardest. Based upon the symtpoms and effects of that flu, it's more commonly believed to have been the "cytokine storm" effect produced by their own bodies that killed them. Some described the symptoms as similar to hemorrhagic fevers...bleeding from eyes, ears, pustules formed on the skin - all a result of over-reaction from their own immune systems. Interestingly, there are strong reasons to believe the "1918 Spanish Flu" originally mutated in Kansas, just as I believe the "2009 Mexican Flu" may originally have mutated in Washington State before making it down Mexico (not surprising, actually - a common commute for some).
Those systems are not yet fully developed in the very young, and are waning in the very old. Based on the government's very own "statistics" of death caused by the Mexican H1N1 Swine Flu strain versus annual flu, considering death as being "worse" than severe or milder illness, it has NOT been worse than annual flu.
What do you base this claim upon?
Annasthasia:
Great info! And just to let you know, regarding letting nature take it's course in thinning out the "herd", you are far from alone in that feeling and for a variety of reasons. The less-healthy will harbor diseases that the healthier would eliminate and the sickly then become the walking laboratories that allow otherwise common varieties of diseases to mutate into deadlier forms. Then they pass that on to the unprotected healthy, and drop dead. Whereas if they had simply dropped dead earlier (or at least taken all their medication the way they were instructed), the new form would never have evolved.
Look at all the antibiotic-resistant diseases coming up from Mexico and along our Southern borders today. As illegals migrate across the country and even into Canada, these deadlier strains of disease follow along with them. Diseases we though we had eradicated in the 20th century are now back with a vengeance and the population has little to no immunity fro any of those either. | |
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| H1N1 has mutated. We're screwed now!
Posted: 11/1/2009 2:50:52 PM |
Consider the family of a person who died from H1N1. Consider how loony your statement would seem. Consider how inaccurate it is.
Oh for gods sakes. People die all the time, from everything. Anywhere from 2000 to 8000 people die annually from the "regular" flu in Canada. Does this mean that the media and everyone should run outside waving thier arms telling people the world is about to end because people have died from teh flu??
Um, nope.
And my statement's not loony... cause compared to cancer, AIDS and other deadly illnesses, it's really not that bad.
The H1N1 could be bad. I didn't say it wasn't. It was the worst I had ever felt... but as a healthy person, I didn't die. And neither did the other people I know who had it. Go ahead and beleive it's equivelent to the plague... run the streets and cause panic! Cause that's the American way.
Hm, remember SARS and all that wide spread panic... whatever did happen to that anyways?  | |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 4:01:41 PM | Well I wouldn't go as far as saying Elderberry is Kryptonite but it is the best immune booster I have seen.
There is a product called "Sambucol" that is made from elderberry syrup . I believe this may shorten and sometimes even stop viruses. I have been using this for about 2 years now .
I have not tried oil of oregano but I will have to look into it.
I took a course in herbalogy from someone that seemed to have their stuff together.
They told me that the secret to halting and recognizing a virus is to recognize when you first get that chill, and then eat something hot & spicy and raise your core temp a little which kicks in your immune system faster.
I do not have any scientific evidence that this works, but I like to drink hot and sour soup when I am getting sick. | |
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| H1N1 has mutated. We're screwed now!
Posted: 11/4/2009 7:48:04 AM |
Oh for gods sakes. People die all the time, from everything. Anywhere from 2000 to 8000 people die annually from the "regular" flu in Canada. Does this mean that the media and everyone should run outside waving thier arms telling people the world is about to end because people have died from teh flu??
Of course not, hooked. You're taking my statement completely out of context. As you will see in my post that you quoted from, I said the exact same thing (about people dying from other kinds of flus and others having fewer symptoms than you... etc.) When I referenced the family of a person who died, I was specifically addressing the fact that absolutely no conclusion can be drawn from one person's experience (since you implied in your post, before editing it, that the media was over-reacting because you hadn't gotten that sick from H1N1.)
Taking one of my sentences out of context and overreacting to is is kind of an odd choice on a forum like this where the complete posts are available.
The H1N1 could be bad. I didn't say it wasn't. It was the worst I had ever felt... but as a healthy person, I didn't die. And neither did the other people I know who had it. Go ahead and beleive it's equivelent to the plague... run the streets and cause panic! Cause that's the American way.
I'm wondering how you could POSSIBLY think I'm over-reacting to H1N1, given my posts. Oh, right... wait... you're doing the "take out of context and twist people's words" thing. I'm not sure why you'd want to try to derail a conversation like this... strange. Eh, I guess whatever meets your needs... 
ANYWHO, for those who are more interested in information instead of twisting others' words, here's the latest...http://www.cdc.gov/H1N1FLU/
... after all, isn't this more the point of the thread? | |
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| H1N1 has mutated. We're screwed now!
Posted: 11/4/2009 8:05:39 AM | My sister has contracted the H1N1 virus. She says it's like the regular flu except your body aches really bad. She says it feels like someone beat her up with a baseball bat.
Honestly I think this thing has gotten blown way out of proportion, it's not a plague that everyone is getting, and it's not going to kill off our planet. | |
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| H1N1 has mutated. We're screwed now!
Posted: 11/4/2009 12:56:21 PM | Maybe H1N1 is a conspiracy. Maybe the government released the virus into the public so they could replace us all with the alien life forms they plan on disclosing by the end of 2009/early 2010.
Quick! Grab your dollar store masks and rubber gloves lest ye be part of the epidemic too! | |
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| H1N1 has mutated. We're screwed now!
Posted: 11/4/2009 2:59:33 PM |
My sister has contracted the H1N1 virus. She says it's like the regular flu except your body aches really bad. She says it feels like someone beat her up with a baseball bat.
That's exactly how I was feeling back in June...I described it as feeling like having been beaten with a baseball bat all over. Luckily that part lasted maybe 4-5 days at most. The sluggishness lasted far longer. (Though it could have just been baseline sluggishness all along!) | |
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Posted: 11/4/2009 3:16:29 PM | ^^
Did u have pnumonia (sp?) on top of the H1N1? My sister has both, and I have heard they go hand in hand. She also has kidney disease which is in remission so she is considered high risk. I sure hope she'll be OK... | |
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| H1N1 has mutated. We're screwed now!
Posted: 11/5/2009 5:59:29 PM | It's the flu, big deal, I haven't caught the flu since I was 11, or 12 years old, I'm 42 now.
I've never taken the flu shot, and I'm not taking it now.
Why, because I've never needed it and I'm not about to run in a panic to get the shot.
It's all government paranoia, the pharamcutical companies making billions and the press jumping right on the rhetoric bandwagon of govenment propaganda and misinformation.
It's funny to watch how the Canadian Government dropped the ball big time on this one. At least we didn't cause a panic by declaring a national emergency.
It's the flu for God's sake, not an airborne Ebola virus ! | |
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Posted: 11/15/2009 6:13:04 AM | Well I have the flu, my chest feels congested, my back's sore and my head feel's a little funny and I have a dry cough. Other than that, it isn't really knocking me down much.
Over 20 years since I've had the flu, knock on wood. | |
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| H1N1 has mutated. We're screwed now!
Posted: 11/17/2009 9:23:30 PM | it's a FLU with a fancy name.... Unless you are old, very young, or have some underlying health issues, you are going to be safe. I honestly think it BAD to even get the vaccine. If you CHOOSE to, please RESEARCH what is IN the actual vaccine prior to getting it. Just eat right and take care of yourself and wash your hands.
Don't let the media scare you.... Gov't wants everyone scared.. who do you think controls the news? | |
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Posted: 11/17/2009 9:51:28 PM | Good for you George, what has the virus mutated into now? London has been quarantined? Really? You are going to need to show legitimate documentation about this.
Obama's daughter's have been given the h1n1 flu shot, and for the other poster who commented about about Mercury being in the flu shots, you are correct. In Washington State Gov. Gregoire has allowed increases in mercury, for the h1n1 flu shot, not so sure about the regular flu shot.
So I am annoyed that the feds and state government want us to recycle our c.f.l's because of the mercury, and our thermostats, because of the mercury, but yet, our governor allows mercury content to be increased.
Common sense people, wash your hands, cover your coughs and sneezes and we will be fine.If you have any questions, ask me. | |
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