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Posted: 5/12/2009 8:26:04 AM | Don't mistake the name of the video as being biased, this is less bout Obama, but more of a history lesson that may open your eyes to to the power brokers. As a former security specialist I have seen these meeting take place at a place north of San Fran called Bohemian Grove. the video is about 2 hours long but well worth the watch and very educational where the banking industry is concerned.
Secret Society power brokers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw&feature=related
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.
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Posted: 5/12/2009 10:01:48 AM |
I believe you F. What do you think of this "theory"? (Which is actually an eye witness account of sorts).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nD7dbkkBIA&NR=1
CNN On Bilderberg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6I3sqpRtKUA
Election Law Fraud (real people and real events are often behind the "conspiracies").
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq8aopATYyw&feature=related
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Posted: 5/13/2009 4:36:59 AM | this guy does a pretty good job at summing it up as far as illuminati and theorists making a living on so called exposing truths when they are doing nothing more than misguiding the masses with half-truths and misinformation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9xGYWsCaPo | |
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Posted: 5/13/2009 6:12:12 AM | There is a little truth in every conspiracy. Do I think they are Illuminati or such, don't know, are there real power brokers pulling strings in the world, yes. I spent a few years working in High end security for allot of governments and industrialist. These Star chamber meetings do take place around the world, and there are some real OLD money power brokers who are pulling strings. Whatever Alex Jones is I just like the way he delivered the video and summed it up.
Does anybody here really not think that most world leaders are just shills for the real power. | |
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Posted: 5/13/2009 9:31:23 AM | Alex Jones, may be over the top, and he seems to think everything is a conspiracy, but if you buy into everything he says, your crazy, if you don't believe anything he says, your foolish. He even says in his video, don't believe him, check it out. He threw a lot of things out there, things that others are saying, so he is only getting people to open their eyes... and think a little.
There is something going on, whether it is the Illuminati? Bilderburg? or someone else? strings are being pulled. The extent and by whom is the question.
I actually would like to know more about this RFID Chip... There is absolutely no one putting one of those in me.
The North American Union... and Amero currency replacing the dollar?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuBo4E77ZXo&NR=1 | |
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Posted: 5/13/2009 9:45:48 AM | | i think part of the problem is that we dont understand how they work. we want a name to give them. illuminati, freemasons, bilderberg, skull n bones, etc. i think the real key figures are not the leadership of any of these, although im sure many of them are affiliated with these groups. we actually gave the bilderberg group the name. they are a bunch of leaders and people of power from all over the world and they have no name. we called them bilderberg becasue the name of a hotel we seen them at. i dont think the morgans, rockerfellers, rothschild families go around calling themselves any of these titles, yet they are the ones with more power than anyone else. the world's banking community has more power than any patriarch, monarch, dictatorship, democracy, etc. its the reason why big oil and big tobacco can get away with half of the shit they do. | |
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Posted: 5/18/2009 12:34:43 AM | Well, If Bilderburg named themselves, or were named by someone else, it doesn't matter I suppose... It only shines a light on what might be a secret group... (Bankers, and who ever "morgans, rockerfellers, rothschild"). It could be a complete conspiracy theory.... and nothing about it.
But something seems out of the ordinary, and worth keeping an open mind and an eye out for things to come.
Personally I'm more interested in seeing if any or all are tied together... and if they are?.. from when? The Illuminati definitely infiltrated the Free Masons in France back in 1777, and George Washington spoke about the Illuminati. The Free Masons are said to be formed from the Templars, or at least as the Templars were destroyed on that Friday the 13th.... they then joined the Masons. And Masons are mentioned from coming from Egypt, and even have been involved in building Solomon's Temple... There are a lot of rumors. It would be interesting to see if there was one ideology behind this, or just different branches... fracturing off? | |
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Posted: 7/2/2009 12:08:50 PM | Jack,
Please forgive that this has nothing to do with your posting.
I am pretty 'puter literate, but for the life of me I can't find out how to even post here. I have a technical question about turning a photo around. But no where do I see a button that allows me to post a technical question. Obviously I'm new to posting on a forum on POF.
Thanks for your help...
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Posted: 7/5/2009 3:13:57 PM | | What you guys are talking about with secret societies reminds me of a book I have that traces back the roots of Nazism. The author goes into how the Knights Templar, Rosicrucians, Cabalists, and a lot of other influences figured into all the "German culture" movements that started up in the late 1800's. Vienna became a sort of hotbed for all these ideas, and that seems to be where Hitler started picking them up from various magazines and books. Some of the flyers advertising the meetings of these groups still exist, and the book describes them. It's kind of interesting to see where they held them, what sorts of activities the programs featured, how many people were there, and so on. | |
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Posted: 7/5/2009 6:47:05 PM | Jack... "The Orthodox Church from the beginning, even before the Council of Nicea was already killing in the name of God, already naming those as heretics who didn't follow their law to the end. "
Source please? This is contrary to what I have believed for a long time about Christianity before and after Nicea .... with a little research I find that the Edict of Diocletian has non-Catholics confiscating various writings believed to be inspired (not yet referred to as a Bible and no real agreement or official position on what is and isn't inspired) in 303. This is followed by Constatine ordering the killing of those who do not comply and adopt what he feels is unity. ( http://www.bible.ca/b-canon-diocletians-destruction-constantines-production-scripture.htm )
When it is suggested that Christ had sibilings I always wonder where they were when he was 12 and his parents think the other has him and they have to go back and find him in the temple. No siblings are ever mentioned. Having siblings would have provided wonderful opportunities to role-model for us how to be siblings.
If you really want to know what is validated so far in the Bible, go to the anthropologists. They use the various versions of the Bible (especially really old versions that were not corrupted over time) to study the times of Moses and earlier. | |
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Posted: 7/5/2009 6:53:10 PM | I am the ken "skull n bones,"
Are you referring to the group that, among others, Bush belonged to? Doesn't this group relate to a college / university organization ... a fraternal group ... that it is more and more common that the weathy and influential in the USA belong to?
I have never seen that group tied to the other groups mentioned before. However, sociologically, it is not uncommon in history that sons of the powerful of society form alliances during their educational periods and act in alliance thereafter. | |
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Posted: 7/5/2009 8:27:34 PM | cncgandolf... Your right, Christians, wether Orthodox or Gnostic or any other type were fighting among each other, and the Pagans were fighting the Christians... and I'm sure the Jewish followers were in there somewhere as well.
But it was the Counsel of Nicea where Constantine took charge and made them come to terms, where it was the Orthodox who won out and Gnostics were from that time forward Heretics. And the Gnostic writings were sought out and destroyed. (at least attempted to destroy them... some where hidden.) It was also around this time when the Orthodox Christians came up with the Trinity... Not all Christians believed in that, they still don't... But the Orthodox has had such a long run in controlling what is orthodox.. or heretic... Today most Christians believe if you don't believe in the Trinity... Your not Christian. But I believe Christ was the son of God... When he says he and the Father are One... It is meaning One in Purpose. But...this is only my opinion. It was the Nicene Creed that started that, and it was altered in a few Counsels through the Years. They had to figure out how to deal with the Holy Ghost, it was more gnostic in teaching.
It's like around the beginning of AD400, Agustine of Hippo came up with the this whole "born in sin" theory... Mainly based on his sexual experiences as a youth. It was a Monk by the name of Pelagius from the British Isles who taught in Rome at the same time that Men had Free Will, he was considered a Heretic by Agustine and others. Was it not that battle in Heaven where Samuel (Lucifer) wanted to rule this creation God was creating called Earth, and with a host of a third of Angels fought Emmanuel (Christ) , Michael and other Archangels. This is when God banished him from Heaven... It was because God wanted us to have this Free Will... So why was it Heretical to teach this in AD400? Because those Christians wanted a monopoly on God and Salvation, to control the masses and the wealth.
When it is suggested that Christ had sibilings I always wonder where they were when he was 12 and his parents think the other has him and they have to go back and find him in the temple. No siblings are ever mentioned. Having siblings would have provided wonderful opportunities to role-model for us how to be siblings.
Unfortunately, the Bible gives us a lot of the stories of what Jesus taught, but it doesn't give us everything about him. Actually most of it talks about his last few years, Nothing is for certain.... but it is from AD30-AD33 that they believe he was crucified. He was Baptist around AD27. He taught for around 3-6 years, some even say maybe only 2 years. A few verses mention his birth, when he was around 2 years old, going into Egypt, and then when he was 12. Nothing until later. The marriage in Cana.
We know from the Bible that Mary his mother was cousin to Elizabeth, the mother of John the Baptist, and both were together when they were both pregnant. I'm thinking John was raised by his mom knowing his cousin Jesus was the Messiah, why not? She knew immediately when Mary arrived, John kicked. John recognized his cousin as the one who was to come after him... This cousin, that may have been traveling and gaining knowledge with his Uncle Joseph of Arimathea... (This is only my theory) But he was gone for many years it seems. Who knows? Joseph travelled to Briton and other places, he traded in Tins and metal. I've read where Joseph is believed to have been an Alchemist... But again... who really knows? There are writings from Josephus and Philo of Alexandria... to name a few. One interesting person born a few years before Christ and lived until around AD 90 was Apollonius of Tyana. It's like a puzzle, you can put pieces together... but you don't know for sure if they fit... But the New Testament doesn't really tell us much about Jesus, it does give us a lot of what he taught. But there are a lot of things missing, to just exclude something because it wasn't written in the Bible.
There were other writings... but,
We don't have most of the things written about him and others in those times, because they were destroyed, if not... hidden, which some things have been found, the Dead Sea Scrolls and Gnostic Library of Nag Hammadi.
So, it isn't what is not written about him, to determine anything, only the things that have been saved, and hopefully not mistreated. Here is an article... but don't go by it... read the scriptures that are mentioned.
This first one in Matthew is a good example, 12:46 someone is telling Jesus that his Mother, and Brethren are waiting outside to see him... he continues in the next 4 verses... 12:47-50 to explain that all of those who follow him is his mother and brethren. This tells me that he knows this person is actually talking about his actual mother and brothers, but that he wanted to teach that those who follow him are also his mother and brethren. Luke 8:19 is someone else telling the same story in their words. The way they might have heard it from someone else. It's teaching a lesson.
Jesus’ brothers are mentioned in several Bible verses. Matthew 12:46, Luke 8:19, and Mark 3:31 say that Jesus’ mother and brothers came to see Him. The Bible tells us that Jesus had four brothers: James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas (Matthew 13:55). The Bible also tells us that Jesus had sisters, but they are not named or numbered (Matthew 13:56). In John 7:1-10, His brothers go on to the festival while Jesus stays behind. In Acts 1:14, His brothers and mother are described as praying with the disciples. Galatians 1:19 mentions that James was Jesus’ brother. The most natural conclusion of these passages is to interpret that Jesus had actual blood half-siblings.
Some Roman Catholics claim that these “brothers” were actually Jesus’ cousins. However, in each instance, the specific Greek word for “brother” is used. While the word can refer to other relatives, its normal and literal meaning is a physical brother. There was a Greek word for “cousin,” and it was not used. Further, if they were Jesus’ cousins, why would they so often be described as being with Mary, Jesus’ mother? There is nothing in the context of His mother and brothers coming to see Him that even hints that they were anyone other than His literal, blood-related, half-brothers.
A second Roman Catholic argument is that Jesus’ brothers and sisters were the children of Joseph from a previous marriage. An entire theory of Joseph's being significantly older than Mary, having been previously married, having multiple children, and then being widowed before marrying Mary is invented without any biblical basis. The problem with this is that the Bible does not even hint that Joseph was married or had children before he married Mary. If Joseph had at least six children before he married Mary, why are they not mentioned in Joseph and Mary’s trip to Bethlehem (Luke 2:4-7) or their trip to Egypt (Matthew 2:13-15) or their trip back to Nazareth (Matthew 2:20-23)?
There is no biblical reason to believe that these siblings are anything other than the actual children of Joseph and Mary. Those who oppose the idea that Jesus had half-brothers and half-sisters do so, not from a reading of Scripture, but from a preconceived concept of the perpetual virginity of Mary, which is itself clearly unbiblical: “But he (Joseph) had no union with her (Mary) until she gave birth to a son. And he gave Him the name Jesus” (Matthew 1:25). Jesus had half-siblings, half-brothers and half-sisters, who were the children of Joseph and Mary. That is the clear and unambiguous teaching of God’s Word. | |
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Posted: 7/5/2009 9:19:10 PM | cncgandolf, Oh, I forgot... thanks for sharing this site.... I just want to point out one thing I think about this... And we all know this is only my opinion... I'm no historian or scholar.
I believe there were a lot of scriptures in 303... But they were writings from a single person and a message, they started taking what stories they were telling verbally, and started writing them down.... Matthew was a book of it's own, along with the Gnostic writings and many others, they were written as early as the 1st Epistle of the Corinthians by Paul in around AD55, The Canon was picking and choosing which of these writings would be the word of God... the New Testament.
Yes there were popular writings in 303... But not a set of Books, sure... different groups might read a set of different books, but their wasn't (a canon) It was the exclusion of some of those writings of that time, that took Christianity and narrowed it to what became the Orthodox Church.
The Romans, Pagans, were attacking most all Christians... not just the Orthodox, and wanted to confiscate any and all Christian writings.
I'm thinking you know a lot of this already though.
Here is a part of that article from the link you put. I see he is trying to make a point that there was a well defined canon at that time, but I think it was a case of the big guy (orthodox), Winning over the little guy (Gnostics) but it wasn't that there were fewer gnostic followers, There just wasn't that many invited to the counsel, they weren't the same as the Orthodox, and didn't hold high positions in the major cities... And through the years there has been the Arian Christians, Cathars and many others... That didn't conform.
303 AD the Roman Emperor, Diocletian calls for the destruction of all the scriptures of the Christians. Obviously there must have been a set of books (a canon) so well defined and universally accepted, that even outsiders knew which books the Christians considered as scripture.
The edict of Diocletian, therefore shows that long before the first extant "canon lists" came along, a canon already existed. It also forced the Christians to meditate on the subject of which books were most sacred and inspired.
So with the solders knocking at the door and the Christian inside, as Everet puts it: "for the most part they knew what books the soldiers were looking for". (Lee Martin McDonald, James A. Sanders, Editors: The Canon Debate; Everett Ferguson, Factors Leading to the Selection and Closure of the New Testament Canon, p 317, 2002)
There must have been a well defined canon at this time.
In a most providential twist of events, Roman Emperor Constantine a few years later, enlisted the help of Eusebius, to create 50 copies in codex form, of the entire Bible. Although know one knows for sure what was in this Bible and no definite copies have been located, it proves a definite canon existed in the time period of 275 - 315 AD.
They actually didn't even allow the printing of the Bible or even the reading of it unless you were a Bishop or Priest... They wanted to maintain control... But I also believe if people read it for themselves... they will get a different message than what is being spoon fed to them.
Again... Just my opinion.... I know this is a very touchy subject with a lot of people.
But... It was this control... this choke hold the Church had... that sent people underground and created all these secret societies. If you can't openly do something in fear of losing your life... Well... It doesn't take a brain surgeon.
And who is to say that if you want to believe in God the way you want to (even not believe if that is your wish)... that someone else belonging to a big church... doesn't make them right... and you wrong. | |
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Posted: 7/6/2009 10:05:30 PM | Jack "Bible tells us that Jesus had four brothers: James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas (Matthew 13:55)."
My only issue with this is that we already know that Judas and Simon are not his biological brothers. Other verses include how they become apostles. I realize for many years people didn't call anyone their brother who were not their biological brother. But, once again as at that time, we do now call people our brothers who are not our biological brothers. "He ain't heavy, he's my brother"
If you follow the link I provided it has the history of the councils ... including that the trinity was the topic of the Nicea (which actually had more than 1 council in the 300's AD.
Personally? Christ is an awesome role-model for living. Since the word Christian means 'christ-like' then I am fine with anyone who is being 'christ-like' being a Christian .... and the bible thumpers whose behaviors are not christ-like are bible thumpers not Christians.
Jack "They actually didn't even allow the printing of the Bible or even the reading of it unless you were a Bishop or Priest... They wanted to maintain control... "
Ahhhhh. I grew up a Catholic being told by non-Catholics that we weren't allowed to read the Bible and were being controlled .... and it was so not true. We often read it, we were encouraged to read it. We were also encouraged to check in with someone who could explain the culture of the time of the original writing if we had some confusions. We were taught - per the Bible - that faith without question was no faith .. that we must question.
The link I provided made it quite clear ... as did several others ... that there were various writings and they had various degrees of credibility and value. It specifically speaks to the idea that people with copies would try to just give up the lesser valued/credible writings.
Few people of the time were taught to read and write. In the days of the earliest writings stories no one wrote. They were verbal stories by the storytellers that were the wandering minstrals of their time. One group telling the creation story and the other group telling the garden story. After all, how do you answer young children's questions when you don't know?
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Posted: 7/7/2009 9:02:12 AM | I think we agree on a lot of this... and I wasn't talking anytime in the present days as far as not allowing people to read the Bible. I can't think of the date off hand but probably at least a 1,000 years ago they did start publishing the Bible so the masses could read it. My point was when it was first put together as a canon in the mid to late 4th century that it took a long time before the people were able to actually read it for themselves.
And I agree with you, I don't care what church you belong to, or even if you don't practice a religion... If you believe that there is something bigger than all of us, (which I believe is God, and that he sent his son to teach us his truth), that is what is important. I believe we were given free will, and that Love is the key. Unfortunately man has made a good thing bad, by putting their own rules and expectations on what I believe Jesus came to teach us.
My only issue with this is that we already know that Judas and Simon are not his biological brothers.
If your saying Simon Peter and Judas Iscariot... yes, these were not Jesus brothers.
Judas and Simon were common names and yes in Matthew 13:55 it mentions James, Joses, Simon and Judas
But in Luke 6:14-16 Jesus calls in his disciples and names his Apostles. Simon (whom he also named Peter) and Andrew his brother, James and John (see Mark 1:19 below), Philip and Bartholomew, Matthew and Thomas, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon called Zelotes, and Judas the brother of James, and Judas Iscariot, which also was the traitor.
In John 1 39-42, we learn again Simon Peter and Andrew are brothers and the sons of Jona.
Mark 1 16 Simon and Andrew brothers again 19 James and John the sons of Zebedee (which was married to Salome, the sister of Mary) (James and John were 1st cousins to Jesus) You can put these together in the scriptures where it names the women at the crucifixion in Matthew, Mark & Luke.
Mark 1 29-30 This scriptures shows that Simon Peter was married.
So the Simon could be the Simon called Zelotes, Jesus brother Simon, I don't know... but what would be wrong with that. and the following Judas, the brother of James could be? There are James the Just, James the less. But I also remember reading there was a Judas Thaddeus, son of James, the brother of John. (the sons of Zebedee)
But why would they not say Judas or Simon... the sons of Joseph? I'm not saying they're not Jesus brothers, or that Jesus brothers wouldn't have been Apostles... they could have. But the scriptures don't prove anywhere that the Simon or Judas mentioned in Matthew 13:55 are not biological brothers to Jesus. In 13:55 it mentions he is the son of a carpenter and of Mary, and then names four brothers and it goes on to mention Jesus Sisters.
Could someone of virgin birth have biological siblings?
Mary was Jesus' mother... if she had other children after him... they would at least be half brother and sister.... right?
Just after this in Matthew 14:3 it talks about Herodia who was married to a Philip and it says Philip was a brother... to who? Herod? or John the Baptist? But we don't know if this is the same Philip as the Apostle, do we?
There are 3 Mary's mentioned together at the Crucifixion. Mary the mother of Jesus, Mary the mother of James and Jose and Mary Magdalene. Another common name. I believe it also mentions a Mary a cousin of Mary, and Mary the daughter of Mary.
So much information is lost... I believe we can take from the Bible it's important messages. And live the best way we can.
But It isn't a complete message, the words written anyway... heck, I believe someone added John 21 to John when they were translating it and wanted a different ending.... I also think they hid the identity on purpose of the disciple Jesus loved. But it is only a gut feeling I have.... I do know that some experts believe that chapter 21 was written by someone different then who ever wrote John.
A lot of this is really to much to get into on here... and for the record... I don't have anything against anyone, I believe we all have free will to think and believe how ever we want. And most of my thoughts are only that.... My thoughts. | |
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Posted: 7/10/2009 5:20:51 PM | I thought the DaVinci Code was a fabulous book! I have a very good friend who is a 3rd generation Mason.
I have been doing research in the history of the Catholic Church, the Borgias, the Medicis. that has been interesting.
I do believe that many things exist that we do not have scientific explanation for, but it doesn't necessarily mean that we should either believe or fear those things. there is a lot of hogwash around, psychobabble, charlatans, and ineffectual practice of organized religion and their various ridiculous offshoot sects. | |
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Posted: 7/12/2009 11:27:05 PM | I'm dropping this here, because I'm wondering really.... what is going on?
Let me just say.... I'm not sharing this from a religious point of view... personally I believe prayer is a personal thing, and you should do it how ever you feel... I feel it's something I do privately... But if they say you can Pray... But can't say Jesus because they are afraid of being sued by Atheists... Who in the heck are Atheists? Isn't it the same thing for one group to tell another what they can or can not do?
Are Christians telling Atheists that they cannot, not believe in God?
Why can't people let other people believe what ever it is they want?
Isn't America founded on this principle?
I don't see Christians, trying to force their believes on others, I actually see just the opposite happening here in America.
My question here.... Who are Atheists? If they are an organization who sues people... then they are like a religion... meaning a group who gets together. Can any Atheist out there explain this to me?
I don't like any religion or church try and force anything either... But my take is that we , our forefathers... fought for our freedom to choose any religion we want... even if it was Atheism... So isn't the fact that we are allowing Atheism to force out Christianity... exactly what we fought against?
We have the right to choose... If someone doesn't want to believe in God, this is his right.... If someone wants to believe in Buddha... This is his right.... How can they say people don't have a right to be Christian?
Who is doing this? how can they be getting away with it? Really.... who is running this Country?
The right to pray publicly "in Jesus name" is under new attack in Pennsylvania and again in California. Please let me explain to you exactly what terrible events just transpired...
The Democrat Speaker of the Pennsylvania House Keith R. McCall has just issued (and enforced) a policy which bans the name of Jesus Christ as illegal speech that may not be uttered during voluntary prayers spoken before the Pennsylvania state legislature.
Pastor Gerry Stoltzfoos of Freedom Valley Worship Center in Adams County, PA had been invited to pray the invocation at the State-House on June 30th, but McCall's office insisted on previewing and censoring a written copy of the prayer beforehand.
"I wrote the prayer and sent it to them and they sent back a very short rejection notice," Pastor Stoltzfoos told reporters from One News Now. "So I wrote back, 'I'm curious as to why.' And they said it had an offensive word. 'Can you tell me what the word was?' And they came back and said 'Jesus.'" Stoltzfoos says he prays in Jesus' name because Jesus instructed him to do so in the Bible. In John 14, 15, and 16, Jesus said three times, "the Father will give you whatever you ask in my name." Colossians 3:17 says, "whatever you do, whether in word or deed, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus."
McCall's office then refused to allow Stoltzfoos to say the prayer before the legislature. The Democrat's staff told the pastor that Speaker McCall was afraid of lawsuit by atheist groups. | |
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Posted: 7/18/2009 5:39:39 PM | Hello JackDiamonde,
So, my questions are... How many of you believe their can be something to Secret Societies. Do you care about History?... And better yet your own history (genealogy) ? For example... Is it possible that Mary Magdalene could have continued a blood line of Christ? Can Christianity and say... Science, Astrology & Numerology coexist?
There is something to Secret Societies.
First of all the Freemasons are not a secret at all. The only secrets they have are methods of identification that stems from the killings of the Night Templars. Every thing else that has to do with the Freemasons are not really secrets at all, it's just not possible to put certain things into words.
Like for example how do you put into words the wisdom or knowledge of loving your mother or father or children. We all know this wisdom so we can all easily identify it with the word or symbol LOVE. But there is much wisdom or knowledge about the universe and even our selves that we are very ignorant about and since you can not tell people about this wisdom because you can not put it into words it is up to each person to stumble upon the knowledge by himself.
But all the knowledge and all the wisdom of all the universe and the self is and has always bin right in front of your nose, in plane sight.
We are merely blind to it.
What The true Secret Societies do, and I mean the ones behind the ones we know about is, try to lead all the horses to watter. Through pain or pleasure they try to help you to drink. and like any systems check you have to give the power of free will to see if it is Bad or good, weak or strong, Slave or free.
So when ever you see things like the "Da Vinci Code" pop up, its all folly and merely meant to get you thinking.
Nothing in this life is what it seams except the true love you feel or the hate you drag with you.
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Posted: 7/18/2009 6:39:01 PM |
What you guys are talking about with secret societies reminds me of a book I have that traces back the roots of Nazism. The author goes into how the Knights Templar, Rosicrucians, Cabalists, and a lot of other influences figured into all the "German culture" movements that started up in the late 1800's. Vienna became a sort of hotbed for all these ideas, and that seems to be where Hitler started picking them up from various magazines and books. Some of the flyers advertising the meetings of these groups still exist, and the book describes them. It's kind of interesting to see where they held them, what sorts of activities the programs featured, how many people were there, and so on.
Worse than those were the influences of Helena Blavatsky and Rudolf Steiner (who was a Rosicrucian among other things) on Hitler. Their ideas about the races (and sub-races) are what (in my view) influenced the worst parts of Hitler's psyche. Hitler slept with Blavatsky's book under his pillow while in prison. Steiner was saying Jews should abandon their "Jewish" way of thinking just after the turn of the century. These voices prepared the world for Hitler and Hitler for the world. | |
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Posted: 7/18/2009 7:03:03 PM | Hello Namredips,
These voices prepared the world for Hitler and Hitler for the world.
You see history teaches us that evil people do evil things this is absolutely not true.
What history should teach us and it does in a misguided fashion is that people who want to change the world, people who in their minds think they are of good intentions are the once responsible for the atrocities we have all witnessed.
Hitler to this day is the scape goat for all the Good citizens of Germany, France, Poland, USA, Russia that treated their fellow man of Jewish blood worse than most would treat a dog.
Hitler was not responsible for WWII. Every one was and still is today for any atrocity we have faced and the ones that will come.
Once you see that evil is nothing more than what you see when you look into a mirror, only then will things get better. Only then can a person become better.
TA!!
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