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| triumphing despite the odds...would the means affect you having a relationship?
Posted: 5/9/2009 8:49:45 AM |
This depends so much on situational ethics... If I met someone who sold off his integrity for money, I'd think less of him. IF, on the other hand, he pushed his own ethics aside ...putting himself second for the betterment of his children, I'd think MORE highly of him.<
Situational ethics? That is variation my dear. There will never be consistency when situational ethics are applied. There is not one qualified judge in existence nor is society as a whole able to apply situational ethics to every random situation consisting of a multitude of unmeasurable variables.
They are simply the preferences or rules by which an individual governs themselves. Your example is great. Calling it "ethics" is a little off.
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| triumphing despite the odds...would the means affect you having a relationship?
Posted: 5/9/2009 10:55:42 AM | I have been in her shoes and overcame adversity post divorce to owning my home and assets with no-one's help. And...not by being a stripper....or using sex. I used my brains and willingness to learn marketable skills in the business world.
Lol...I guess to some people sex and it's various levels belong there, too.
Now..rule of thumb according to human behaviourists, anthropologists, and such...
Women USE sex to get love. Men USE love to get sex. You see the argument on here ad nauseum. It's very real and alive.
She USED sex (not maybe or maybe not the actual act...but the notion of sex nevertheless) to get where she wanted in life. Men pay lots of money for this. It is an established fact.
Now...If a man came to me and said I have a boat, a nice home, 2 fancy cars et al....but I got it doing ...well...being a LOVE SLAVE to an older woman, or...I was a gigolo...or whatever a man does to keep a woman paying for him...I would certainly look at him sideways. Especially if he says that he did it because it was what he wanted and he exploited women's desires and fantasies to get it.
Hmmmm....ack!
So...in this case....reverse the motives and gender.
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| triumphing despite the odds...would the means affect you having a relationship?
Posted: 5/9/2009 11:01:27 AM |
And out of the ashes comes the triumphant! But at what cost?
That's the $64,000 question isn't it? At what cost?
The way this story plays out will be tempting to many young women who have already made the rather poor choice of ignoring what higher education and a career might offer them in order to be loved and have babies but I would like to color in some of the transparency if I may.
When I was a young woman, I became pregnant after being molested. I refused to perpetuate one violation with another when my family insisted that I abort my baby and spurned by them, I left school and went waitressing, housekeeping... doing anything (as long as it was legal) to keep the roof over our heads. Those first years were so very hard. In my early 20's, I was still earning minimum wages and struggling when I met a young woman who was literally rolling in the bucks. She had a rather high-powered friend who would see to it that I "never knew another moment's hardship" she said and I have to admit, that sounded pretty damn good to me. But the price was to sacrifice my inherent modesty, my ability to keep my body a special place for my soul to live in and my right to say "no" to someone I didn't particularly care for. I barely slept for almost 2 months while I wrestled with that decision while struggling to pay bills and juggle the never-ending expenses. I was soooo tempted and I used the same rationalizations about how people would have no right to judge me unless they'd walked in my shoes to try to persuade myself to let go of the barriers my spirit kept setting up against saying "yes".
It was a hard choice. The woman I became close friends with had a beautiful car, an amazing wardrobe full of rich, elegant clothes, got her hair done professionally on a regular basis, travelled extensively and never once, had to decide whether or not to pay the utility bill or the rent. She also felt that no one had the right to judge her for how she went about receiving all those things she dreamed of having. She never saved a penny convinced that she was entitled to have everything she wanted right then and there and in her mind, there was always more...
When the night came that we were to meet with her "friend", it was a strangely peaceful me that gave him a firm and resounding "no". Right up until that moment, my angel on one shoulder and devil on the other had been quarreling. I didn't even know that I was going to turn down his offer until I did... All I knew was that it felt "right"...
Because of the decision I made that night, I had to develop my strengths in other areas. I had to learn self-discipline, financial restraint, how to deal with not having everything I wanted, patience, endurance and how to value the truly precious moments in life. Would I have done so if I'd said "yes" that night? I don't think so.
I had no way of knowing back then that my life was going to be one of needing to have my self-respect and integrity many times along the way... far worse than I would ever need a fancy car or a big house. I had no way of knowing that in teaching my own daughters to treat their bodies with respect, I would need the ring of truth beneath my words in order to be credible. And I didn't know that at the end of the road, I would need to be able to face the gal in the mirror to be able to say with some measure of pride, "I sold my skills, my thoughts, my hands and my creativity but I never sold ME!"
Looking back over a life that continued to be far-more challenging than it had to be, I can only say that I am so glad I made that decision. Most of life's challenges were ones where the survival of my children and myself were largely dependent on my own strength and knowledge that I could get through anything without sacrificing that very special part of me that I think is my "spirit". Even though, many times, I ended up laughing through my tears, I was always still inside of the body I'd been given to wear and I think now, I would have lost that if I'd chosen to turn myself into an "object".
I may not be rich or even moderately wealthy in the conventional sense but I own me in the fullest sense of the word. I can say that I've truly walked the walk... I didn't know back then that it would matter to be able to say that but I know it now. All the money and nice things in the world cannot buy our self-respect and integrity.
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Posted: 5/9/2009 11:09:34 AM | Personally, I’d rather work multiple jobs and rent a grungy apartment, than pull myself up by a G-String. Hell, I’d rather be a busker, street performer or panhandle than to degrade myself by stripping. Thousands of women (I am one of them), have raised their children without support and we didn’t have to sell our bodies to do it. This woman has been “pole vaulting” for almost three years, and it doesn’t look like she has any plans on quitting. If I were her, I’d be taking that “deposit” and going back to school, so that when the ravages of time and gravity take their toll, I will no longer be relying on my “bare necessities of life” to see me through. After all, no man will fling and nickel and tap his feet to see wrinkled and sagging “bare necessities”.
So I guess my question is, does it really matter, when we hear a story about triumph against all the odds, exactly how one arrives at their personal triumph? (Assuming it's not by illegal means, that is). Or...would it make you respect one less, for having done *anything* to manage to surpass the odds that were thrown at them?
I would consider dating someone who AT ONE TIME had to resort to doing something disrespectful in order to survive. However, the woman in the context of this post has gone beyond doing what she “HAD to do” in order to survive, and is STILL ACTIVELY enjoying a career as a “stripper”. IMO, if a woman is so desperate that she has to cheapen herself in order to survive, then it should be an INTERIM way to get through the rough patch, and not her MAGNUM OPUS. Different strokes, different folks, I guess; but don’t expect me to give Lily St. Cyr a standing ovation for her glorious “triumph” as a “take-it-all-off” artist. IMO, gyrating in the buff is the lazy way out; a short and disrespecting copout route to a big paycheck. Where are the “atta boys” and accolades for those of us who did it the hard way (i.e., survived via blood, sweat, tears AND dignity)? Pffffft. | |
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| triumphing despite the odds...would the means affect you having a relationship?
Posted: 5/9/2009 11:21:40 AM |
would the means affect you having a relationship?
So are you asking if the ends justify the means? If that is the case, then I'd have to answer with a resounding no. If you're asking if I'd get involved with someone with a backstory like this, I'd have to know the women better, and what her dreams and aspirations are, to make that call. She's gotten used to making pretty good cash money by shaking her money maker; is she willing to eventually go back to a more typical job that will pay a lot less? I've known dancers before, including plenty that were nice girls working their way thru college and so on. But that life tends to make people hard and jaded as hell. I'm not going to question anyone's right to earn a living and provide for their family, as long as she is not hurting others to do so, nor am I going to weigh in with some sort of moral judgment because this girl used whatever assets she had available to feed and clothe her children. But to call it a triumph goes a little too far. OK, so she's out of debt and has put some money down on a home, but where does she go from here? She's still presumably a young woman with 2 little girls to raise, and other than wiggling what she's got, what sort of skill sets does she have? I don't have any issues with women that choose to be dancers to put food on the table in a pinch, but not everyone is cut out for it, and its by definition not something you can do for a long time. I'd consider her story a triumph when she gets some education and a more productive, satisfying job that will provide for the long term future for her and her girls. | |
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| triumphing despite the odds...would the means affect you having a relationship?
Posted: 5/9/2009 12:17:44 PM | Sheesh at all of the judgemental folk, so sure that every stripper must... What, compromise their dignity, sell their souls, whatever?
Do strippers have to deal with disreputable characters? Sure. Would you date someone who has tended bar, or taught at a rough highschool? How about a corrections officer?
Do strippers "take the easy way out"? Hmm... Is it really that easy? I suppose it depends. If it's something she's really gifted/good at, she may find the job comes relatively easy to her. So would you date a pro baseball player, pulp novel writer or a star singer? A TV talkshow host, who got the job partly because they are attractive? Would you automatically be less interested in the guy who got a $40 million pro basketball contract right out of highschool than the career minor-league ballplayer?
How about someone who had married a wealthy person when they were young and never started a career? Would you automatically rule them out because they had taken the easy way? If they were set for life from a divorce settlement, would you see that as a game-breaker?
I'm not big on the notion that someone is a better person because they struggle through life. How they handle the struggles and successes defines their worth much better imo. Sure getting things handed to them will making some people entitled. Struggling will make some people jaded. If I find someone interesting, I'll take the time to find that stuff out.
If she worked as a stripper and is a great person, nice! If she scrubbed toilets and is a great person, nice! Some people are somewhat defined by their job, but I wouldn't assume that going in. | |
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| triumphing despite the odds...would the means affect you having a relationship?
Posted: 5/9/2009 12:49:58 PM |
does it really matter...exactly how one arrives at their personal triumph?
Yes. What a person does in life matters. It affects who they are. The longer a person spends doing something the more it affects their personality. Thereby becoming more difficult to change.
would it make you respect one less, for having done *anything* to manage to surpass the odds that were thrown at them?
Depends on the circumstances. If "the odds that were thrown at them" are simply consequences of their own stupidity, then I would not increase my respect for someone when they continue making stupid decisions. I wouldn't lower my level of respect though.
I would respect someone more if the "odds that were thrown at them" were in no way directly related to their previous choices in their life and they managed to improve their circumstances.
I would respect someone less if the "odds that were thrown at them" were in no way directly related to their previous choices in their life, and they didn't do anything about it. Or made worse, or more stupid than they are capable of, decisions.
Would you start a relationship with them?
I would not start a relationship with someone that would do "anything" to improve their life. It would mean they have no moral standards. So more than likely they would run from most adversity in their life. Or look for others to define a standard for them, until it wasn't working, then move on to something more compatible to facilitating the change they are hoping for. | |
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Posted: 5/9/2009 1:33:53 PM |
Lol...I guess to some people sex and it's various levels belong there, too. Stripping is a level of sex? So that would mean that modeling would also be in that scope as well according to your determination of what constitutes the sex industry huh?
Now...If a man came to me and said I have a boat, a nice home, 2 fancy cars et al....but I got it doing ...well...being a LOVE SLAVE to an older woman, or...I was a gigolo...or whatever a man does to keep a woman paying for him...I would certainly look at him sideways. Especially if he says that he did it because it was what he wanted and he exploited women's desires and fantasies to get it. You’re kidding right?
Gads… at first I was thinking that you were stretching things a bit with the sex industry thing, but that statement confirms that you equate stripping to sex… and that is going out on the proverbial limb and sawing the thing off from the original tree…
Just what colour is the sky in your world? 
And I didn't know that at the end of the road, I would need to be able to face the gal in the mirror to be able to say with some measure of pride, "I sold my skills, my thoughts, my hands and my creativity but I never sold ME!" I sell me every day… and not for a second am I ashamed of it nor does it make me less of a person… and each of us sells ourselves to our respective jobs, or if we are self-employed, to our clients…
The woman the OP is talking about is just doing it in a different fashion… entertainment. No different than the actors or actresses that have some nudity in their films…
I’m curious if those that are opposed to the woman becoming a stripper have ever gone to a club or bar and watched the ladies entertaining the masses? I’ve seen many strippers perform and they range everywhere from raunchy to exotically breathe taking… and many of these women that are of the higher caliber of stripper would seem more conservative than most of the people on this forum that speak of sex so casually…
Personally… from the strippers I’ve known and many of the thoughts and opinions posted on these forums, I’d be in better company with the strippers… they’re less hypocritical. | |
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Posted: 5/9/2009 1:51:20 PM | You'd be surprised how a lot of strippers actually work around the system just to avoid getting out of doing the more unseemly things that is attached to the job description. I used to be friends with quite a few girls who danced and in a lot of these places you HAVE to give at least one private dance per night for the house. My one friend in particular, Paige would ask me to private dance just because the other guy down the end of the bar was creeping her out. So we'd go back to the private room and we'd actually just sit there and bs for 3 minutes, or make farm animal noises or I'd be up on the dance poll showing what I got!
How was I repayed for my kindness? I'm glad you asked! After we'd come back out, she'd give a wink to the barmaid, and I'd get a few drinks complimentary.
It's a wonderful cycle if you can manage to end up being that guy, but seriously, a lot of these girls do the profession begrudgingly and not enough guys head into skin bars with a notion of cutting them a little slack or giving them any respect. | |
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Posted: 5/9/2009 4:57:37 PM | I sell me every day… and not for a second am I ashamed of it nor does it make me less of a person… and each of us sells ourselves to our respective jobs, or if we are self-employed, to our clients…
There's a pretty big difference between selling your knowledge of a process or product with your clothes on as opposed to selling yourself with your clothes off. There's no part of my sexual self being sold for a paycheque.
The woman the OP is talking about is just doing it in a different fashion… entertainment.
 In a "different" fashion??? The abusive guy who punches women in the face is just "communicating" in a different fashion too... The thief who runs out of the store with his hands full is "working" in a different fashion. The pimp who is beating on his working girls can be said to be "controlling" his stable in a "different" fashion. The gal who makes her living taking her clothes off is surely "working" in a different fashion... no doubt about that one! Some of us recognize that "different" doesn't necessarily mean right or admirable.
No different than the actors or actresses that have some nudity in their films…
Who said the actors and actors who are willing to do nude scenes are anything to be admired??
I’m curious if those that are opposed to the woman becoming a stripper have ever gone to a club or bar and watched the ladies entertaining the masses?
The last time I was in a strip bar, I was with someone who was looking for her husband. The stripper on the stage wasn't doing anything I would even remotely consider "dancing". She was lying on the floor on her side with one leg stuck up in the air sticking her finger inside herself and then sticking it in her mouth. She was surrounded by all the old pervs on gyne row and all I could think was how sad it is when any human being has to come to that point.
I’ve seen many strippers perform and they range everywhere from raunchy to exotically breathe taking… and many of these women that are of the higher caliber of stripper would seem more conservative than most of the people on this forum that speak of sex so casually…
Well... I, for one, bow to your immense knowledge and expertise in this area. Who among us can argue with someone who sells herself in her work and then spends her extracurricular time studying how to be a better sales person? That's what I call devotion to the cause. 
Personally… from the strippers I’ve known and many of the thoughts and opinions posted on these forums, I’d be in better company with the strippers… they’re less hypocritical.
Now.. now.. don't be getting upset with people who aren't willing to pretend they don't know right from wrong. Just because some people aren't willing to pretend that the everything goes crap is just a-okay does not make them hypocritical.
As Peter Wastholm so eloquently put it:
"All humans are hypocrites; the biggest hypocrite of all is the one who claims to detest hypocrisy." | |
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Posted: 5/9/2009 5:06:18 PM |
I was watching a news story last night and in one of the human interests segments, they did a segment on single mothers that were left to raise their children on their own. Not just any single mothers that is, but women that by anyone’s standards would be considered successful. Fantastic careers, beautiful homes, nice cars and personalities that were so down to earth it was hard to believe that they lived through everything that they did and weren’t bitter or jaded towards men.
One particular lady caught my attention. She had been dating the father of her twins for just over a year when it was apparent that she was pregnant and at the first sign of pregnancy, he left her… but not before he emptied her bank account, their apartment of all the furniture, and ran up huge credit card debt for her.
As a result, she lost her apartment because she just couldn't recoup monetary losses like that quickly enough, and after giving birth to two beautiful girls after many physical complications, she also lost her job.
But, the nice side to this story was, with much hard work, trial and tribulations, this lady did indeed manage to pull herself up by her bootstraps so to speak, and not only managed to survive, but thrive. Granted, this took her two and a half years overall, but triumph she did. As of the news story, she'd just put a deposit down on her own home, was employed and thriving in her current vocation, and her children are well-maintained and happy.
So, how did she get to be so successful and financially independent from being absolutely destitute? She became a stripper!
So I guess my question is, does it really matter, when we hear a story about triumph against all the odds, exactly how one arrives at their personal triumph? (Assuming it's not by illegal means, that is). Or...would it make you respect one less, for having done *anything* to manage to surpass the odds that were thrown at them?
Would you start a relationship with them?
It's a case by case basis; I could applaud and fall in love with one over comer and maybe still applaud but not fall in love with another... and I have to say I was surprised in a "Sixth Sense" style by how this one made her comeback!
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| triumphing despite the odds...would the means affect you having a relationship?
Posted: 5/9/2009 5:13:59 PM |
In a "different" fashion??? The abusive guy who punches women in the face is just "communicating" in a different fashion too... The thief who runs out of the store with his hands full is "working" in a different fashion. The pimp who is beating on his working girls can be said to be "controlling" his stable in a "different" fashion. The gal who makes her living taking her clothes off is surely "working" in a different fashion... no doubt about that one! Some of us recognize that "different" doesn't necessarily mean right or admirable. To equate these things to stripping is absolutely moronic... there simply is no lateral comparison between the various circumstances regardless of how much you wish for there to be...
Well... I, for one, bow to your immense knowledge and expertise in this area. Who among us can argue with someone who sells herself in her work and then spends her extracurricular time studying how to be a better sales person? That's what I call devotion to the cause. Hey... it's a few steps up from selling myself on a dating site straddling a chair... | |
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Posted: 5/9/2009 5:33:40 PM |
Hey... it's a few steps up from selling myself on a dating site straddling a chair...
Well.. I know that since I'm not nude in the chair, we can't be friends... *sigh*
On the other hand, isn't it just the slightest bit "hypocritical" to be on a dating site talking about how cool it is for women to sell their nudity, when you have "prefer not to say" under your own body type and the usual "headshot" instead of putting your money where your mouth is?
Pffffftttt.... Don't talk the talk if you can't walk the walk! | |
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| triumphing despite the odds...would the means affect you having a relationship?
Posted: 5/9/2009 5:35:28 PM |
However, the woman in the context of this post has gone beyond doing what she “HAD to do” in order to survive, and is STILL ACTIVELY enjoying a career as a “stripper”.
My bad, Frau. The woman in the news story isn’t still actively stripping, she’s working as an office manager now, can’t remember her exact title. She stripped for however long to get back on her feet and make ends meet, from what I gather, then as soon as she could find something that would pay her bills to the same level, she left that industry.
Interesting, if you were to leave out the fact that she became a stripper people would be applauding her overcoming adversity.
That was my take on it too, vhdc, which is part of why I started the thread.
Great comments from everyone, and so far it seems to be a mixed bag of who would or wouldn’t consider a relationship with such a person.
I do find it interesting, though, that many of the women who are saying this woman is doing something “wrong” (which is a judgment call based on their own personal ethics and morals) by using her body, or “SEX” to get what she needs or wants for herself and to help her family to the best she is able at that point in time, are also doing rather the same thing, judging by profile pictures. Actually, so do a lot of the men on dating websites, so it's not a gender-specific issue at all. Now, one might call that "marketing" in a way, since this IS a dating website but...
How is it really any different? | |
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| triumphing despite the odds...would the means affect you having a relationship?
Posted: 5/9/2009 5:52:15 PM |
I do find it interesting, though, that many of the women who are saying this woman is doing something “wrong” (which is a judgment call based on their own personal ethics and morals) by using her body, or “SEX” to get what she needs or wants for herself and to help her family to the best she is able at that point in time, are also doing rather the same thing, judging by profile pictures. Actually, so do a lot of the men on dating websites, so it's not a gender-specific issue at all. Now, one might call that "marketing" in a way, since this IS a dating website but...
So.. you're saying that there is NO difference between a woman who strips for a living and a woman who is perhaps wearing a pretty long gown in her pictures to show her feminine side? Huh?
This thread has become moronic as most of the strip threads do on here. Buh-bye!
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Posted: 5/9/2009 5:53:27 PM |
Oh My Gawd,
I cannot believe the holier than thou attitude coming from some people...mostly guys..pn this. "Nope I wouldn't date a stripper" But wait I got some money...going to the peeler club and have this stranger sit on my lap and make me cream my jeans is OK????
How about I won't date a stripper and I wouldn't waste a dime on one either?
You know there are people that find the entire sex trade immoral as a profession and a patron as well don't you? | |
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Posted: 5/9/2009 5:59:45 PM |
So.. you're saying that there is NO difference between a woman who strips for a living and a woman who is perhaps wearing a pretty long gown in her pictures to show her feminine side? Huh?
I wasn't saying anything to any specific poster here, to be honest, and my comment wasn't about nudity or lack thereof. It was that, for some to say the woman in the story is using SEX to achieve what she needs or wants and that it is a bad thing....
Then why, whether fully clothed or not...isn't it still considered a bad thing to be using sex (or a sexy image) to "sell" oneself, or promote oneself as the case may be on a dating site? Or a shirtless picture for the men, things like that. It's still displaying one's body, after all. | |
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| triumphing despite the odds...would the means affect you having a relationship?
Posted: 5/9/2009 7:52:35 PM | I don't see anything inherently wrong with being a stripper. It's only ones morals that make it palatable or not. They're not selling sex, they're selling the idea of sex.. and quite well in most cases. Most do not let their "work" persona interfere with their actual persona.
Now, on the other hand, when being a stripper IS who they are, on stage or off, and they let it direct their social interactions and activities... i.e. drug use, actual sex for money, etc., the waters become a bit more muddied.
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Posted: 5/9/2009 9:15:59 PM |
And out of the ashes comes the triumphant! But at what cost? This seems a paradox to me: I think true triumph would include rising out of the ashes through only honorable endeavors. If the cost of triumphing is essentially beg, borrow or steal...then there is no true triumph. (imo of course)
Fantastic careers, beautiful homes, nice cars: women that by anyone’s standards would be considered successful. Uhmmmm....not 'anyone's' standards. A career can be working as a vet assisstant if you love animals; and it can be a good, satisfying, wonderful career...but probably wouldn't fit your definition of 'fantastic.' But, I'd think it is fantastic if fulfills. 'Beautiful home, nice car.' I've actually never had either: that means I'm unsuccessful? I wouldn't say so, again because I'm fulfilled. So, to me, my definition of a successful person has nothing to do with the 'material world' and all to do with inner success.
Which brings up one thing that occurs to me: these women chose the men they were involved with. I cannot understand how someone who is strong and centered can love and be in a long term relationship with someone who is going to cut and run when he finds out she is pregnant. So, first off, I'm thinking these aren't such fantastic peoeple afterall, which implies to me that if we measure human success by job title or money, we end up assuming people who really aren't together are. I'm not saying the woman is responsible for ending up an unwed mother, not all on her own, of course. Any man who would desert a woman he's made pregnant is low, very low.
So, now we've got this 'fantastic woman,' only I don't thinks she so fantastic, and she survives and rises above the ashes by being a stripper. I have known a awful lot of single moms over the years, never met one who turned to stripping. Have known many who worked two or three jobs, ones who worked in menial jobs way below their abilities and education, ones who did whatever it took to take care of their kids and give their kids every opportunity, but none who turned to stripping. As others have said, this woman, imo, took the easy way out, and not the triumphant way.
Bottom line to me: there is no triumph in what this woman did. She sold her dignity to the highest bidder, imo. What happened to respecting people who behave with dignity and pride? Cleaning toilets is more admirable than stripping, imo. Triumph out of the ashes? I think this woman's dignity is in ashes. | |
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Posted: 5/9/2009 9:50:04 PM |
Now, one might call that "marketing" in a way, since this IS a dating website but...
How is it really any different?
I guess the only difference, least that I can see, is that when a man/woman uses their sex appeal on a dating site they are actually interested in meeting someone. At a strip club it is simply a job. | |
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Posted: 5/9/2009 9:53:46 PM | I love my kids with everything that I am. Although the path we take DOES matter in shaping who we ARE as human beings, there is NOTHING that i wouldn't do to make them happy and secure. I do not judge any parent that genuinely tries to make their children' s lives incredible and it sounds like she did a pretty damn good job.
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Posted: 5/9/2009 10:14:54 PM | I can agree with the above post, to a point... yes, stripping is a job which uses sex appeal as its draw, and in the end, is for money.
Having said that, and more to the point of other posts, Hollywood revolves around sex appeal to sustain its industry... and the actors and actresses use it to sell tickets to view their products. They sell the illusion of sex all the time, only they do it in a medium that isn't as tactile. They perform in various degrees of nudity to "sell" the illusion, and are paid handsomely for that performance. Are they also thought of as lowly as a stripper when, in principle, they're doing the same thing? Their paychecks suggest they aren't, and they are considered successful based on that paycheck.
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