| The bimbo-ization of women and its effects on relationships
Posted: 5/10/2009 6:55:34 AM |
Oh please... Don't compare poor parenting of children with with adult behavior. Who's fault is it if your kid believes that an imaginary coyote can actually order bombs from the Acme Explosives Company,have them delivered via courier within minutes and actually use them?
WHAT ?? Are you saying that my dehydrated boulders aren't ever coming ? | |
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| The bimbo-ization of women and its effects on relationships
Posted: 5/10/2009 6:56:57 AM | So......... Rap videos have long portrayed black people as gang banging, hustling, balling, idiots who care for nothing more than banging white women and hustling older white people from their goodies, and THEY AREN'T LIKE THAT
Aside from me. (WATCH YOUR WHITE WIMMENS!)
And I've often asked, "Are the few idiots who make our race look bad as idiotic as the larger majority of idiots who judges us all based on those select few?"
Nope. You should be mad at yourself for even knowing those reality T.V. show titles....
Bride who? Jesus.
So, I don't blame the show for the demise of the "respectable woman"
I blame the people dumb enough to assume that they represent all women in the first place.
Stop watching that garbage, it rots your brains!
(Except Cheaters™ Flavor of Love™, Flavor of love 2™I love New York™, I love New York 2™ Rock of love™ Rock of love 2™ Rock of love 3™, I love money™, Meet the Kardashians™ Maury Polvich "You are the Father"™, and Ricky Lake™)
Comfort123
Yourcuteguy1, you are correct. Men and many women do make fun of these buffoons. However such buffoons do exist in real life and are reinforced by these shows to perpetuate such behavior and attitudes.
Ummm these buffoons do exist? Jesus man. People are all people. those "buffoons" become as so because of the environment they are nurtured in. what makes you think you are any better? No matter how "intelligent" you assume yourself to be, their is always someone better. So by your logic, YOU ARE A BUFFOON BY COMPARISON
And I've no doubt if one of those hot buffoon girls gave you the time of day you would be all over them.
Arabianangel
Ehem...But But but....you don't like them white!
I am simply trying to do to the white woman, what the white man has been doing to my people for the past 600 years......F them.
Seriously though, as an extremely well read savant, (A very humble modest one.) It is very seldom that I watch television. Not because I am "BETTER" than anyone, because I prefer to read, and my imagination can outdo Hollywood any day. I get so irritated when I hear someone act as if a person who watches t.v. or the shows that don't require thought, is less than it's counter part. We are humans...we are meant to think, to laugh, to cry.All media serves its purpose.
As far as the influencing of children. Parent's should pay attention to what their children freaking watch! They use the Tv as a baby sitter without putting ANYTHING in context for the child. But now it is Marilyn Manson's fault Columbine happened.
And Paris Hilton's fault that little girls at scool call your 13year old daughter a slut.
WHAT ?? Are you saying that my dehydrated boulders aren't ever coming ?
Nope
On the "Disabled children parent dating" thread, we need weird parts for a time machine we are building. I called ACME All they had was a large supply of:
Extenze™ - For all natural male enhancement
I was all like "Dude, I am black."
Then the person on the phone asked me for my fax number, and I complied. then he faxed me a Job application.
I was offended.
I asked, "So what, are you saying black people don't work, or do you want me to promote Extenze™ as if I needed in the first place, and it worked on me?"
The coyote said "Both." So ya I start Monday.
Sincerely,
~APE
p.s.
Divagreen
I hustle you out of your goodies.....mmmmmmm goodies.
p.p.s
apainlessend, thanks for proving my point! wink:
In fact your example of rap videos stereotyping black people with all sorts of negative characteristics thereby inaccurately influencing the way others perceive many black people, is exactly the same process that occurs in the minds of many regarding the depiction of women on TV shows as bimbos!
Ya, but I was DISAGREEING with you. (Umm so had you bothered reading my post.....) As for the "Some comedy is low brow."
Sheesh, it takes ALL KINDS! I enjoy FRAZIER as much as I do THE THREE STOOGES!!!! It seems as if we are never going to evolve as a people if we keep such pseudo elitist attitude. No matter how good you think you are, there is always someone better smarter, and with a bigger di*k.
His name is Apainlessend.
^See, not low brow, not too elitist, but still humorous. (Yet true.)
I believe you just want people to agree with you. Otherwise you should prove me wrong.
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| The bimbo-ization of women and its effects on relationships
Posted: 5/10/2009 7:03:22 AM | | Chill Pill, I agree! Unfortunately dignity and solid parenting is not very common in our current society and many children are being raised without regard to the feelings or needs of others BUT on their own narcississtic self-fulfillment. | |
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| The bimbo-ization of women and its effects on relationships
Posted: 5/10/2009 7:10:04 AM | apainlessend, thanks for proving my point! wink:
In fact your example of rap videos stereotyping black people with all sorts of negative characteristics thereby inaccurately influencing the way others perceive many black people, is exactly the same process that occurs in the minds of many regarding the depiction of women on TV shows as bimbos! | |
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| The bimbo-ization of women and its effects on relationships
Posted: 5/10/2009 7:13:01 AM | Comedy is about misbehavior, mores and manners.
Bimbos and buffoons are welcome.
It does not present us with what is desirable but with what is egregious.
Most television is comedy and pretty low comedy at that. | |
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| The bimbo-ization of women and its effects on relationships
Posted: 5/10/2009 7:21:26 AM | "Comfort123".....................just read your profile and interested to see you're a man...........
So,my question to you is ,Do you believe (most) women are like "this" ??
And,why is it bothering you......??
I stand by my original Post in that i just laugh at these shows and the men i know dont take it,or the women seriously,either...
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| The bimbo-ization of women and its effects on relationships
Posted: 5/10/2009 7:24:59 AM | | It boils down to how an individual defines their reality. OP, you are stating the obvious. Are you having trouble getting these type of women to subscribe to your reality? If so, you're beating a dead horse. | |
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| The bimbo-ization of women and its effects on relationships
Posted: 5/10/2009 7:26:33 AM | Jim978, you asked a relevant question where the evidence is that supports my perceptions BUT then state "Most of the people I know that watch those sorts of programs do so to mock the people. They aren't interested in following their lead. They are laughing at them". So where is your evidence that corroborates that your perception is accurately generalized to the demographic populations that watch these programs thereby proving that mine is errroneous?
In addition, although children are obviously more impressionable and vulnerable to the content of TV programming, adults are obviously also influenced as can be perceived by the major impact rock groups andTV and film stars have on many individuals' personal and political views and on pop cultural trends. | |
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| The bimbo-ization of women and its effects on relationships
Posted: 5/10/2009 7:26:56 AM | I see no such fascination. Shallow expectations, shallow thinking, and an even more shallow value system are rapidly debasing our culture. Shows like these are developed because their production costs are low compared to what it takes to put out quality programming. The business model supports the rapid rise of their ilk. If there is an outcry to be heard, it's being swallowed up by the sheer fact that there are far more out there for which a steady diet from the smorgasbord of people-behaving-badly TV is programming of choice--they're addicted.
A lot of things are coming together here that bring us to an idea that we are a society that is quickly becoming morally if not intellectually bankrupt; the bimbo-ization of women is just one part of what could seem to many as a devolutionary mix; as it ties in with several other rampant and damaging societal themes already at play and gaining more than a foothold nod into the next generation.
Question the following: a preoccupation with self-indulgence and self-entitlement at all costs; the sense that relationships are disposable there's always something better somewhere; the myopic valuation of youth often juxtaposed with the resistance in acknowledging age; the crazy idolization of celebrity and the even crazier idea that everyone has this potential within them (if only someone would see it...); the befuddling idea that one can get anywhere in life without working for it; and finally, the idea that critical thinking is passé and that anything, anything at all requiring some thoughtful expenditure should always be trivialized, reduced and streamlined in order to fit our lives and not our capacity.
I do sense that there is a negative ‘bleed’ from these new realities and how they fit into current relationship expectations/ideals. I also see these changes more readily in younger people. Values are changing. For those in transition or with feet in straddling the two realities, it could get a little difficult out there in trying to find someone that resonates they way you need them to. One thing is for certain with all this in play, quality relationships aren’t likely to be any easier to enter into or sustain for either sex.
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Jim978
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| The bimbo-ization of women and its effects on relationships
Posted: 5/10/2009 7:32:39 AM |
Jim978, you asked a relevant question where the evidence is that supports my perceptions BUT then state "Most of the people I know that watch those sorts of programs do so to mock the people. They aren't interested in following their lead. They are laughing at them". So where is your evidence that corroborates that your perception is accurately generalized to the demographic populations that watch these programs thereby proving that mine is errroneous?
I didn't make a statement concerning anything correlated to the general population at all. I was pretty clear that my statement was related to "Most of the people I know...". Would you like their names/numbers so you can verify my statement?
YOU are the only person trying to make generalized statements about the overall population. | |
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Posted: 5/10/2009 7:32:50 AM |
(Msg 11) We can not summarily discount these shows as not having any influence just as violent oriented cartoons negatively impact on young childrens' behavior.
I don't believe that. Look back at cartoons 50 years ago. Wile E. Coyote suffered indignities too numerous to mention. Buggs Bunny and Elmer Fudd. Sylvester and the Tasmanian devil. Foghorn Leghorn doing all sorts of nasty things to the dog.
And there was Mighty Mouse and Heckle and Jeckle. Check out the violence here. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1GoR5Dnzl4&NR=1)
Clubbing ones head. Poking ones eyes. Throwing them out windows. If cartoons had any impact whatsoever the entire baby boom generation would be locked up. 
Is there any baby boomer who didn't watch Saturday morning cartoons? | |
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Posted: 5/10/2009 7:33:01 AM | | Well i have watched Bridezillas now and then and frankly i'm appalled at some of the womens behavior on that show!! they are nothing but self-centered obnoxious, selfish idiots. but how on earth do the men put up with all that crap and why do they marry them? i cannot believe someone could possibly love a person who exhibits such disgusting behavior so i have to wonder about the men too. not sure how they could be in love with a woman like that and it makes me wonder if they are that desperate and can't find someone else because i KNOW there are decent women out there, i'm one of them. hey you forgot the Housewives of OC and those other shows. they aren't much better. | |
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| The bimbo-ization of women and its effects on relationships
Posted: 5/10/2009 7:38:28 AM | | tv has been like this since the infusion of reality tv..blame the industry that doesnt want to pay for creative tv script writers. now i have to remind everyone that TV is just entertainment to cure boredome..and lets not forget its always the extreme of anything thats shown to jack up tv station ratings....its like those porno movies...most things in life DONT imitate whats on the screen, if that were true there'd be alot of people laid up in hospitals with broken wrists and other various body parts that are used passed manufacturer recommendations trying to live out porno fantasies ~sage nod~ | |
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Posted: 5/10/2009 7:42:28 AM | | Jim978, so in fact you don't have any substantive data to support your opinions or to disprove mine? Good start. In fact these TV shows, and there are many of them, are very popular and are generating hundreds of millions of dollars of income for their program sponsors and for you to merely brush them off as being irrelevant or personalizing the issue as if it is my issue, is entirely missing the significant impact that these TV shows have on many in our society. | |
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Posted: 5/10/2009 7:45:39 AM | | strawbs09, it is not a matter of my being personally bothered by these programs but a general observation that many women and men are being impacted negatively by these stereotypical images that evolve from the minds of brilliant marketers and script writers who create illusionary images of what is the ideal image of a hot woman is; a bimbo. No less, no more. | |
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Posted: 5/10/2009 7:46:10 AM | | As an aspiring himbo I must step up to defend bimbos. The media are not to blame at all, because art imitates life and life comes from sex and sex is what defines the bimbo. To be against bimbo depictions of women is to be against life itself. Whatever else a man or woman can be, they must first be reproductive, for the sake of the species. What the bimbo archetype represents is the basic ability to attract and and mate, uncluttered by anything else, which clutter is frequently at odds with life's most basic imperative. When TV celebrates raw sexuality that is undiluted by noisy ideas, it presents us with the ideal each of us should strive to copy first before adding on any further qualities and abilities. The foundation of every well rounded person is their sexuality. I don't think women are being told they can only be bimbos and nothing more, but being told that unless they are bimbos at heart, then their personality is founded on a lie that works against the survival of the species. The more that modern life demands of women the farther it pulls them from their reproductive nature, and so there exists in response a great need for women to relate as purely sexual beings, keeping in touch with what is natural and innate. Bimbo shows must be popular in an age when sex is demeaned. In time, as society progresses, men will likewise need to be helped to return to their himbo roots, getting back in touch with their sexual side, reclaiming their capacity to lust without shame. | |
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| The bimbo-ization of women and its effects on relationships
Posted: 5/10/2009 7:51:29 AM |
Jim978, so in fact you don't have any substantive data to support your opinions or to disprove mine? Good start. In fact these TV shows, and there are many of them, are very popular and are generating hundreds of millions of dollars of income for their program sponsors and for you to merely brush them off as being irrelevant or personalizing the issue as if it is my issue, is entirely missing the significant impact that these TV shows have on many in our society.
What a load of horse crap. YOU are the one making the claim that these shows have some "significant impact". When asked to provide any evidence to back your claims you turn it around and play the "prove I'm wrong" game. It's YOUR claim. YOU are the person that started this thread. I'm free to state my opinion that it's BS. The only "fact" here is that you don't have any. | |
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Posted: 5/10/2009 7:56:41 AM | OP, you made a good point about how they do the same with images of men, they do. You know, it really made me think. I, for myself am not turned on by the perfect bod, the rippling muscles, etc. Doesn`t do a thing for me and never did. The man that I would find physically attractive, well, it`s just a feeling I get. I am not really influenced by what the media says I should be attracted to. I know fiction from reality. And I know what "I" like and am attracted to.
I guess I have just always assumed because men are considered the more visually stimulated sex, that they would be more influenced by the media. But I guess just like women, some are and some aren`t. Some can think independantly. I need to give guys a little more credit, and not assume the worst. Think I`ve lived in So Cal a bit too long. So many buy in to it here, I forget what the rest of the real world is like. | |
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Posted: 5/10/2009 8:00:47 AM | Well it's interesting that you are concerned (yah right) about women but what about men on TV.
It seems no matter what role they are playing (except for hapless buffoons) they mostly punch people in the face, shoot them or blow things up, drink too much and chase skirt. IRL people go to jail for assault but on TV even the good guys are aggressive all the time and they never go to jail. Even the cops assault their fellow officers regularly and it's all protrayed as just manly behavior. It's weird to me that people think this is acceptable.
Why aren't you concerned about men on tv being portrayed as people who can't solve disagreements without punching or shooting someone?
Most tv is garbage appealing to people lower or fantasy nature.
Oh and why aren't you concerned about porn.
I don't believe you are concerned about women.,. I think you are knocking on the same "men are down trodden and women are evil vacuous ****es who want to only fleece us, fuck us or send us to the gas chambers" agenda again.
If you are so concerned about the status of men, have you written to your governor or to the whitehouse. Have you started a campaign/ What have you done for positive change? how do you live your life as an example.
Or is this just another rant about a nice guy not being able to bag a hot chick. | |
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Posted: 5/10/2009 8:03:24 AM | | Jim979, not so fast my friend. Obviously I haven't investigaged to determine if there are research studies to corroborate my postion and would present such data if it exists. However by your taking such global positions dismissing my points in their entirety implies that YOU possess information/data, other than your opinion and beliefs, that supports your contention and disproves mine! In fact the only thing you continue to do is yell "horse crap" without one iota of evidence to show that I am on the wrong track. I am open to your feedback but not your insistence based on your opinions not supportive facts, that you are correct and I am not. | |
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Posted: 5/10/2009 8:05:27 AM | I agree 100% with oldsoul. This is nothing new and if you want to avoid it, chuck out the TV - borrow DVDs of the things you decide are really worth seeing. It is actually a lot better than it used to be -- there are some decent female characters in shows and films out there now.
As a kid I hated the prospect of growing up female at least partly due to the way women were portrayed. It didn't help that my dad was feeding this by telling me stuff like I'd be like the crazy woman in the village if I still wore socks instead of tights when I was a 'lady' and that ladies don't do this, that or the other. It was all about appearances. He'd have loved to have a glamorous and ladylike daughter and I was/am nearer to resembling a potato picker.
The TV seemed to me to show men having all the fun and women being objects of either ridicule if they were not attractive and lust if they were. I did not want to be a woman at all. I think it is a bit better now as there are popular shows where the female character is a person rather than an object and at times a strong person. For sure, they are usually very attractive too, but their whole value as a person does not revolve around their appearance.
Regarding reality TV -- who would choose to watch that rubbish anyway? As Margo says, it's very sad that we as a society can regard the shameful treatment of emotionally messed up people as entertainment. | |
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| The bimbo-ization of women and its effects on relationships
Posted: 5/10/2009 8:17:10 AM | | desert wildflower, unfortunately both men and women are being misled by pop cultural illusional images of the ideal attractive and sexual appealing woman and man, propagated by TV shows and films. Such images frequently impacts on the values of many as to what they find sexually appealing, such as defined six pack abs in men along with Tom Cruise facial features while women are being bombarded by bimbo-like images of such personages as the Brittney Speares, Paris Hiltons and numerous others. Unfortunately when many men and women do not perceive themselves as being as attractive as these pseudo-icons, it impacts on their self-esteem and their feelings of attractiveness to the opposite sex. | |
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| The bimbo-ization of women and its effects on relationships
Posted: 5/10/2009 8:25:18 AM | Oh noes! TV is “bimbo-izing” women and that’s ruining relationships, because women are starting to think and act bimbos!!!!
“Oh noes! Bea Arthur is punching out Ray Romano and kicking the King of Queens in his royal balls!” Queue the companion thread that proclaims TV is emasculating all men, and that’s ruining relationships, because all men want to do now is “borrow a feeling” from Kirk Van Houten and sputter one-liners out of their sphincters.
This comes as no surprise to those of us who said this would happen to society waaaay back when we first saw Uncle Milty in drag 60 years ago.
Walter’s gonna get you for this, God!  | |
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