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Posted: 5/11/2009 7:19:38 AM | | Browngreeneyes, you are correct about these other shows but the question that arises is why should they depict women as being "hot" and "exceedingly intelligent" rather than JUST exceeding intelligent? Can't a woman merely be presented on these shows as an exceedingly smart and effective person on par with the unattractive, fat bald headed male scientist, lawyer, doctor or whatever? And this is the point I am emphasizing because even when women are presented on these shows as intellectuals and professionals it is rarely without emphasizing their being "hot" thereby negating their relevance as equals with men resulting in their being perceived as sexual objects. | |
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Posted: 5/11/2009 7:28:07 AM | I agree to a point OP.. but even on these shows the men are mostly hot too unless they're in a leading position ie the boss...
I guess it's just to attract viewers and if we are intelligent people, shouldn't we recognise that this is the formula that is used by producers to attract ratings? | |
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Posted: 5/11/2009 7:29:41 AM | OP: TV shows make caricatures out of everyone, not just women. And LOL at you wasting your time watching that garbage. 95% of television is pure crap these days, and those with any grasp on reality do not rate people in real life according to TV characters.
So what does this imply regarding the capability of many of today's women being able to enter into and sustaining meaningful relationships with men? IMO, not a good prognosis!
It doesn't imply anything. You need to look for a guy who has better things to do with his time than to veg in front of the TV set. There are plenty of guys who don't formulate our opinions of women through the prism of reality-show characters. | |
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Posted: 5/11/2009 7:30:47 AM | | Iconoclast I also agree that this is a problem within our culture. HOWEVER, it appears that many women do not oppose TV shows and films that fail to present women as being on par with men in their respective roles BUT generally with the implication of being a sexual object or bimbo! | |
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Posted: 5/11/2009 7:38:26 AM | | Briwneyes, as I am certain you are aware the standards for attractiveness of men and women in our culture are quite different. Generally if a man holds a high level professional position, has occupational, personal or financial power, he is not required to be a "pretty boy", to have a thick head of dark hair, blue eyes and a six pack of abs. However, the expectation for women is that even if they are professionals and very competent, attractiveness and super sexuality are still the hallmark of being a woman and many women continue to abide by these societal expectations as well. | |
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Posted: 5/11/2009 7:50:50 AM | spitfire, I don't believe that it is solely a matter of men formulating their opinions of women through the prism of reality-show characters. However it is also a matter of these shows reinforcing many mens' personal experiences with a number of women whose behavior and actions reflect these shows' less than positive characterizations of women.
I also don't believe that these shows are so innocuous or irrelevant in terms of their impacting on certain individuals' psyches and consequently on their relationships. The messages that continue to emanate from these shows regarding women may influence perceptions and beliefs, just as news commentary and other modes of media communication are intended to persuade and influence others' viewpoints. | |
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Posted: 5/11/2009 8:01:06 AM | Television is escapism. Drama is different from documentary programming. Many are fascinated by looking through a lens that is unfamiliar to them. People ambling along doing their day-to-day work is not part of the formula that creates escapism programming. If the viewership wanted real life representation---there are loads documentary references to choose from.
Drama and escapism blends reality with titillation. Sex sells. Packaging sells in life and in TV. Women who are hot, brainy and outspoken are often assumed to get 'a pass' in life. These shows explore that concept.
They bring the grit of the job up against the tension of being sexy or hot. If the goal of programming is to sell advertising; then maintaining tension and interest over time is the goal of a series in order to bring in associated revenues. Loyalty (viewership) is invested in these characters as we want to understand and escape into their worlds for a while. We don't have to be forensic scientists to be interested...we are interested from the perspective of how does this 'hot' women maintain respect? How does this 'hot' women do the job? Does she have to work harder because she's hot? Probably. In real life, lot's of attractive women in senior/very responsible/male oriented positions have to work exceedingly hard to disprove assumptions that they got the job because of how they looked. It's true for some, but I would suspect not for most. | |
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Posted: 5/11/2009 8:08:11 AM |
I also don't believe that these shows are so innocuous or irrelevant in terms of their impacting on certain individuals' psyches and consequently on their relationships. The messages that continue to emanate from these shows regarding women may influence perceptions and beliefs, just as news commentary and other modes of media communication are intended to persuade and influence others' viewpoints. I wonder which shows lead someone to selectively filter the view of media stereotypes to fit the view that media stereotypes lead someone to selectively filter their view of those. Or is it magazine articles, or textbooks for women's studies classes? Whatever it is, men are to blame and not only men generally but especially the bald fat unattractive ones who insist that women with brains also be hot. I wish I was immune to the shows that make me feel bad about not being immune to the shows that make me feel bad about how bad I feel about not being immune to them. I wish I had a bimbo to make it all better. | |
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Posted: 5/11/2009 8:10:01 AM | Just like the news reports all the bad stuff because it is more stimulating than the good....
Doesn't mean that in the day to day the majority of people shoot each other, rob banks, behead their children and are involved in horrendous auto accidents....
Being specific, the reality show "I Love Money"..probably the worst example of humanity on TV....shows a plethera of bimbo's of both sexes duking it out for money.
I know people who won't miss one episode. Now, if that show's lineup of characters were Bob the Builder, Lena the librarian, Plain Jane the Student, Perry the Peanut seller and a variety of other much less than attractive day to day individuals.....big Bertha the lunch lady...no one would watch.
People want to be entertained. It would be entertaining to see Big Bertha knock Bob the Builder out with one of her big tits during the relay or accidentally fall on him crushing his tibia.....but it wouldn't be sexually stimulating to most.
So, I add, sexuality to the mix. Now we have a desire for entertainment mixed with sexuality and a for some the bloodier or more bizarre the better and viola' you have most of our media entertainment.
And you know, I like to think that as a woman I can be anything I want to be. One day or week I can be a "bimbo" and know exactly what I'm doing and it suits me fine. The next day or week or month...I can be a hard assed bitch and I enjoy it and it suits me just fine. Again, I can be a nurturing, pie baking, sewing curtains and nesting Little House on the Prairie woman and I like it and it suits me just fine,,,,,,the next I'm creating new floor plans for a greenhouse in the shape of a 2 L coke bottle or creating a poem or a painting or a story....that's me too. It is very stupid to assume or to put people in a category...we are fearfully and wonderfully made.
We as a population are bored, worked to death, taxed to death, stressed to the max, with the reaper at the door or lurking around every corner.....no wonder we want something to take us out of our (meaning the majority) mundane lives.
Personally, I watch Animal Planet (at least the action is real), The History Channel (where some of the action is real and some of it factual...), National Geographic, some movies, Style, some HBO and Showtime series and the News (some factual, some truth to it...) and that's it. | |
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Posted: 5/11/2009 8:21:30 AM |
Throw away your t.v.? Yeah......that's the answer. Cut off the limb. Why can people simply be selective about what they..watch?
Umm...that's what I thought I said, that people could choose to be selective of what they watch - I never said that shutting off or throwing their TV away was the only solution or even a better or desired solution, just that it was one more solution; as quoted below:
My solution? Shut or throw away your TV, or at the very least, be very selective of the programs you do watch.
-Look down on people who utilize television as an escape from the mundane, thus giving you a right to rant on how the general populace is in possession of such a lilliputian amount of intellect that they all believe reality t.v. (Though you conveniently ignore the fact that before you can open your big orifice, you would have to FIRST WATCH ALL OF THESE PROGRAMS COMPLETELY BEFORE YOU COULD PASS JUDGMENT!) thus proving your superiority in your own mind?
-The mindset of a person willing to condemn a person to idiocy over the programming they enjoy, is the same pseudo intelligent, elitist, arrogant, pompous B.S that a person who seems to think they are superior because they eat as certain restaurants, or read specific authors.
And just in case any of those remarks are aimed in my direction - nowhere in my posts did I ever claim to be superior or looking down on anyone because I don't watch TV - not saying you accused me of such but I'm just sayin'.
I used to be a big TV watcher by the way, but for some reason, I just got bored of it - I just prefer to have my radio on - TV, for the most part, now bores the hell out of me.
But if my granddaughter wants to watch TV in the living room instead of in her room as "per usual", she's more than welcome to and so I am MORE THAN aware of what (most) of those shows are about - you don't have to sit down and watch or follow a full episode to know that most of them are crap - hearing and catching the odd glimpse here and there is enough trust me.
And I admit that when she has CSI on, I have a hard time taking my eyes away from the screen so it's not like I can't enjoy watching some TV, it's just that I enjoy doing other things more - nothing more, nothing less.
Anyway, the bottom line for me is that I'm much more worried about people who seem to think that TV represents or imitates real life and/or real people than I am of what's on TV and the bimbo-ring of women OR men in the media.
Also, I'm getting a little tired of hearing people whine and complain about how the media/TV is ruining society/our children/men/women and blah blah blah - not only is it a fallacy but I find it laughable that the whine usually comes from those people who watch TV the most - are they not able to switch channels or shut their TV off???
Lastly, I find it ironic that some people are doing the very thing they bemoan about - they would like us all to agree to their way of thinking which is exactly what they claim to be against. I don't need anyone to tell me what or how to think thank you.
I'm perfectly able to think and discern for myself what's real or not and when I need "enlightenment", I'll ask for it, although I can guarantee that it won't be from someone who seems to think that society/people/ children are violent because of the violent cartoons on TV. But that's me - to each their own.
JMO
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Posted: 5/11/2009 8:58:53 AM | | TV is pure entertainment when it comes to these type of shows. It's much like rubber-necking past an auto accident or a fire. You're not involved in it, it's out of the ordinary in your day to day life. If anyone takes stock in the reality (and I use that term loosely) "bimbo" type shows and wants to emulate the behaviour, they're going to be that way regardless of what they see on a TV strictly because they don't have the sense in the first place to not follow the hollow-headed lead. Why other people watch, who wouldn't emulate it, is somewhat like watching a magic show. With magic, it's "how did they do that". With these vacuous peopled shows it's "how did they get that way and I'm sure glad I'm not that idiotic". As far as the sitcoms, etc. that portray women as bimbos and someone wanting to emulate what they see, the same thing applies - they're none too bright individuals in the first place if they figure being a bimbo is something to aspire to and would be their own bimbo without the influence of TV - they'd get their influences elsewhere. It's good for a laugh or a shake of the head. To follow the examples in any of the shows, it's more a case of stupid is as stupid does. | |
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Posted: 5/11/2009 12:04:22 PM | comfort:
<div class="quote">...this is a relationship forum that contains many disparate opinions and worldviews NOT one requiring absolute proof or the scientific method to justify one's perceptions and opinions! However based on your holding me to your exulted standard...
You're not presenting your opinion in in an effort to induce rational conversation, you're creating a soap box from which to pontificate. You tried to ask Jim for proof to back up what he clearly indicated was anecdotal evidence when you've offered nothing but your opinion to support your position. If you're going to make an assertion and then defend it by attacking opinions that diverge from your own, you probably DO need to supply something other than your opinion or else you just look combative and petty.
<div class="quote">...based on my observations which does not require the implementation of the "scientific method" or having the "burden of proof" on my shoulders because it obviously reflects my perceptions...
If these are simply your observations then I assume we're only talking about the women in your family and in your social circle that are being bimbified? That seems like a mighty small segment of the population for any kind of statistical analysis so lets just assume you started this thread with a personal opinion that seems to be massively in the minority. So let me see if I understand your current position, YOU perceive that women are bimbo's based upon the survival of reality TV? This is the correlation you're drawing? Many women are unfit to maintain long term relationships because someone is watching reality shows on cable? Seems like a wee bit of a stretch to me ;)
<div class="quote">...the actual reason for my starting this thread was to express misogynist sentiments. Well using the scientific method you are requiring from me ), the "burden of proof "is on YOU...
My opinion as to why you made this thread obviously requires no proof, I simply stated that this is how it appears. Why is it you feel you are entitled to an opinion and no one else is? Why are you so defensive?
<div class="quote">...your anger and hostility...
LOL, you're slipping into the realm of logical fallacy now. Why would I be angry? I don't know you, I just found your position and repeated circular arguments trying to justify the original position amazingly disingenuous and apparently loaded with the residue of some personal past emotional distress.
Look at your post number 11. You present two "arguments" based solely upon your opinion. Those are "claims" that have no substance. You are infact no longer expressing an opinion but making an argument which puts the onus on you to substantiate your claims or admit you're just pulling them out of the ether.
Post 13, another unsubstatiated argument, post 18 is just a mess, you're attributing "covert wishes" to many women, and arguing because women don't care one way or another about the absurdity of a lot of TV that somehow they're admitting they truly long to be bimbified. By Post 31 you've slipped into a condemnation of Parenting (the soap box is multifaceted apparently). 36 makes no point at all, just distracts from the discussion, in post 42 you call B-list reality tv shows significant. Are you implying that they're having an impact on society...? are you for real?
It goes on an on, one logical fallacy after another, in every subsequent post you just keep spouting your rhetoric which appears to be either an expression of anger or attention seeking behavior.
Bottom line:
That's how it looks to me, your mileage may vary. | |
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Posted: 5/11/2009 12:25:36 PM |
(Msg 6) My solution? Shut or throw away your TV, or at the very least, be very selective of the programs you do watch.
I wouldn't advise throwing the TV away. Imagine, if you will, your POF date showing up Friday night with chips, a case of beer and a porno video. It gets a bit uncomfortable trying to hold on to the lap top while viewing the movie.
I'm just sayin'...... | |
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Posted: 5/11/2009 12:47:22 PM | ^ Eww Dave...then I would know that I've had a serious brain fart - I don't drink beer (and don't care much to have it around me) and I'm not into porn (amongst other things, that too bores the hell out of me) - the chips are okay though;) 
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Posted: 5/11/2009 12:51:56 PM |
The messages that continue to emanate from these shows regarding women may influence perceptions and beliefs, just as news commentary and other modes of media communication are intended to persuade and influence others' viewpoints.
Comfort: I think you are posting just to see yourself in print on here. Your original questions have already been answered on the thread. 1)Many people watch little or no TV, so there are significant numbers of dating partners to be found among them. One can't be influenced by TV if one doesn't even watch it. 2) Many people who watch TV are very selective concerning what they watch. There are TV viewers who only watch C-SPAN, the Discovery Channel, etc. Stations like that are not known for caricaturing people, so those stations aren't creating the notions you're suggesting. 3) Some viewers watch trash on TV; but are independent enough in their thinking that the shows don't shape their opinions of people.
Successful daters on here learn how to screen people well. There are an unlimited number of ways to screen people in order to minimize the risk of meeting someone who holds gender-based notions one dislikes. Screening fellow daters effectively is the answer, not whining that there is some universal hold that bad TV has over relationships. That is not a demonstrable claim. Ultimately, the responsibility rests with each of us for dating. That responsibility does not reside with TV producers, screenwriters, and actors. | |
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Posted: 5/11/2009 1:23:25 PM | ****BREAKING NEWS****
(Reporter speaks into microphone) T.V. is for entertainment! Any attempt to apply audio-visual experience with a box, to actual experiential life, will more than likely not work out! Do not apply television to actual life!!!!
Think of all of the t.v. we are missing by posting in this forum...oh...and the dates... | |
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Posted: 5/11/2009 3:39:49 PM | Fun in the sun, I can visualize you on a date insisting that the poor woman provide evidence for every statement she makes which is not in accord with your beliefs and placing the "burden of proof" on her to susbstantiate her position. Is this what you mean by fun in the sun, that she will be asked to leave your car on the highway and walk home in the blazing sun when she is unable to use the 'scientific method" to prove her point? (LMAO)
In fact you continue to insist that I use the "scientific method" (I am laughing my arse off-you are a pip) to substantiate my opinions and that the "burden of proof" is on me (this guy is a wannabe attorney:roll) as if we are engaging in a argument within the context of a scholarly debate. I have discussed the issue relating to Jim in my previous post and stand by these statements and don't intend to reinforce your obsessive proclivity to engage in a repetitious discussion of this matter!
BTW, Of course you are not angry and hostile as you assume and that it is the women in MY family who are being bimbified! FYI, this and your previous post is reeking with hostility and combativeness in spite of your denial as evidenced by your consistent confrontational and inquistional style in lieu of engaging in a discussion regarding an area of disagreement with another poster. As I stated above you have significantly derailed this discussion with your pseudo- "scientific method" and "burden of proof" veneer , which does not apply to you or Jim, while your actual intent is to express your anger towards a poster with whom you diagree! .
In addition, speaking about logical fallacies, you then engage in mind reading, a cognitive distortion, whereby instead of requesting clarification to understand my rationale for presenting this topic you ASSUME that you know exactly what I am attempting to demonstrate which misrepresents my position entirely! Just another example of how you relate to others by drawing premature and erroneous conclusions to undermine their position. Poor, poor, lady who is unfortunate to cross swords with you!
Unfortunately (for you) you don't stop but continue to reveal your limitations when you state that I am slipping into the realm of logical fallacy because I mentioned that you were angry and defensive! It is not a logical fallacy my defensive psuedo-scholarly friend who is attempting to project a image of pseudo-objectivity, but an observation! In fact your defense that you don't know me so why would you be angry is pure poppycock. You are clearly angry and combative. Who else would spend such an inordinate amount of their time and energy scrutinizing previous posts in order to attack another poster? An understanding, compassionate and compromising individual rolleyes: ?
What is truly evident from your confrontational and obsessive attempt to negate my thread is the impact I had on you as "scientifically evidenced" by your obsessive review of a number of my posts and your obsessive need to prove that you are correct. In fact IMHO the only issue that you have proved in your obsessive ranting is that the ladies would be wise to exercise caution in dating you because all hell will break out if they dare say anything which you perceive as being antithetical to your beliefs or opinions. : | |
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Posted: 5/11/2009 3:59:47 PM | I think we are missing the point here.
TV is TV...so....who cares what we watch or how much we watch...that's not the point of this thread.
It's the bimbo-ization of women theme that is the point.
If POF forum writers are not at all interested in what's new in the zoo in attraction...maybe they are the same as wives/husbands who have been married fifteen years and don't care about attraction factor either within the marriage.
I am single and I like to keep up with what's attractive out there. I dress to please myself and I like to dress to show my sensuality. I know that I am no bimbo, but I love to have blonde hair sometimes for a change....and wear a miniskirt once in awhile... | |
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Posted: 5/11/2009 4:07:06 PM | Wait...people still watch T.V.?
As in, pay to watch advertising beamed at them?
Advertising, that is, ccasionally interpersed with drivel so bad any randomly selected "college" student could write better, once armed with a laptop and a fifth of lemon gin?
The notion of actually being influenced by anything shown on "T.V." is so far beyond ludicrous that we need William Shatner to help us Boldly Go Where No Man (with Sense) has Gone Before we have a hope of really understanding it. | |
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Posted: 5/11/2009 4:34:21 PM | Since when is this new? People have wanted to watch both sexy women and people make A$$es and idiots out of themselves since even before TV began, doesn't really sound "new".... Of course TV shows need sexy women dressed provacatively /scantily and acting same, otherwise all tv shows would need to have a worthwhile plot and be otherwise interesting, bouncing boobs are simplier more cost effective and less likely to be copyrighted than good scripts are  | |
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Posted: 5/11/2009 8:38:05 PM | LOL, you say you don't want to be repeititve and yet you use the word obsessive in an absurdly redundant manner. Just because you use the same word 3 times in one sentence doesn't make it so, it just makes you appear to be ranting. I'm not insisting anything, I simply pointed out you were making arguments that you present as "factual" and as such a reasonably intelligent person would see the need to support his position. When you presnet your opinion as if it's a fact you're no longer discussing, you're making an argument to prove your case.
Your entire post to me is an attack on me in an effort to discredit my position (the ad hominem fallacy at work). You're also pretty hypocritical since you're doing exactly what you're accusing me of doing.
As for your psuedo intellectual and the rest of your pedantic ramblings in personal attack mode, you really need to take a course on reading comprehension. When I say you appear to be using this forum as a means to vent that's an opinion. You on the other hand present your opinion as clinical fact. No one here believes I'm the angry one no matter how many times you type it.
You've used at least 8 logical fallacies on this thread, denying the antecedent, begging the question, non sequitur, attribution fallacy, proof by verbosity, negative proof fallacy, argument from ignorance, and ad hominem.
As for obsessive, you've made probably close to 20 posts on this thread and I have now made 3. I won't be making any more because this thread is just about you having a platform to unload your bitter from. Perhaps you should look in the mirror when tossing out words like obsessive.
Food for thought:
You've made a lot of personal attacks here but truthfully you seem to be projecting. Look at the nature of your attacks... psuedo intellectual, wannabe lawyer, obsessive, angry, confrontational... now compare that list to your posts. | |
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Posted: 5/11/2009 8:45:10 PM | I live in LA and work in entertainment - I can tell you that most of these are not "reality" at all, they are largely actors improvising dialog and reacting to each other, they take a premise like "you be the ****y one and I'll be the nice one and then he will be the boy friend that is cheating on both of us" and they run with it, keeping in mind that conflict makes good TV. I've been at parties with actor friends where they will improvise a scene just for fun - so the comforting thing is that all these people that you can't believe are really as horrible as they seem - aren't ;-)
....of course, that doesn't mean they're necessarily THAT much better.....;-) | |
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Posted: 5/11/2009 9:00:20 PM |
Browneyes, as I am certain you are aware the standards for attractiveness of men and women in our culture are quite different. Generally if a man holds a high level professional position, has occupational, personal or financial power, he is not required to be a "pretty boy", to have a thick head of dark hair, blue eyes and a six pack of abs. However, the expectation for women is that even if they are professionals and very competent, attractiveness and super sexuality are still the hallmark of being a woman and many women continue to abide by these societal expectations as well.
Two things have been noted repeatedly on this thread but you are not interested in opinions just promoting your narrow paradigm for social problems that are so vast they are not remotely related to television programming or the characters depicted in feature films. Most women I know teach their daughters that they should not act like a bimbo to get a guy, that any guy worthy ofthem should like them the way they are, consequently if a young woman is going to emulate these types of characters, she will find someone else to model.
There are numerous older actresses that are considered very sexy by most men and yet it is because of their depth in addition to their looks because some of them are definitely not pretty in the conventional sense. I really don't think most people believe the scenarios created on Grey's Anatomy and Boston Legal are typical in terms of the amount of sex people are having, etc. So what, you think that this causes problems in relationships because women might expect their men to act like Dr. McDreamy. If anything, I would think the shows would prevent guys from thinking that the vapid eye candy is going to be anything other than dead weight, a lot of divorces could be avoided if men figured out that the helpless woman who makes him feel so much like a man is going to be a pain in the ass. Just as women need to figure out that the man who has had such a horrible life that it has damaged him isn't going to get any better under their miraculous care.
Again, if you don't believe that television is innocuous that is your opinion but the fact remains that people that are going to be easily led by these programs are going to be easily led by something else if the programming is not readily available. Most people know this type of person, the one who starts applying a self help book to every nook and cranny in their lives, quoting massive sections of the book verbatim in response to everything they encounter versus most of us, who read this type of book and take those parts that make sense to us and relegate the rest to the dustbin. I continue to hope that most Americans are capable of discerning fact from fiction, even to the extent that they actually KNOW that reality shows are b.s. | |
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Posted: 5/12/2009 6:55:26 AM | FUN IN THE SUN: "LOL, you say you don't want to be repetitive and you use the word obsessive in an absurdedly redundant mannner. Just because you use the same word 3 times in one sentence doesn't make it so, it just makes you appear to be ranting"
COMFORT: You are being defensive and manipulative in an attempt to extricate yourself from my feedback. The above statement clearly demonstrates and reinforces my points.
FUN IN THE SUN: "I'm not insisting anything". Blah, blah, blah, blah....
COMFORT: You are engaging in denial and rationalizations. OF COURSE you are not "insisting anything" after pressing this issue ad infinitum! Just a little hypocrisy.rolleyes:
FUN IN THE SUN: "Your entire post to me is an attack on me in an attempt to discredit my position. You're also pretty hypocritical since you're doing exactly what you're accusing me of doing."
COMFORT: "The entire post"? Another example of hyperbole, projection, more rationalizations and selective abstraction whereby you merely extrapolate what serves to reinforce your distorted position while omitting the very relevant feedback I provided regarding your manipulative and inappropriate insistance on MY use of the "scientific method", while you and every other poster are not held to the same standard. In addition, in spite of your futile attempts to extricate yourself from the situation you created YOU initiated ad hominem and inquisitional style attacks, NOT a dialogue to express your disagreement, so take responsiblity for it. 
FUN IN THE SUN: As for your pseudo intellectual and the rest of your pedantic ramblings in personal attack mode.............. . When I say you appear to be using this forum as a means to vent thats an opinion. You on the other hand present your opinion as clinical fact. No one here believes I'm the angry one no matter how many times you type it".
COMFORT: Another example of ad hominem attacks, projection and ommission of fact of what actually occurred. In your previous posts you did not merely "say you appear to be usng this forum as a means to vent, thats an opinion" BUT made direct "clinical", ad hominem attacks including calling me a Misogynist, angry and bitter with the intent to undermine my position without initially attempting to determine the basis for my initiating this thread. And you call me a hypocrite? 
BTW, when you assert that "no one here believes that you are the angry one" you obviously conducted a "scientific" survey with participants on this thread because the "burden of proof" is on you to substantiate that assertion. In fact you have no idea that "No one" believes that you are the angry one. No, you are not defensive!
FUN IN THE SUN: You've used at least 8 logical fallacies on this thread blah, blah, blah.
COMFORT: Speaking about engaging in "pediatric ranting" and sophmoric school yard antics you have committed a number of these fallacies yourself BUT feel entitled and not subjected to the same arrogant standards you set for another poster. What a joke!
FUN IN THE SUN: "As for obsessive, you've made probably close to 20 posts on this thread and I have now made three. I wont being making any more because this thread is just about you having a platform to unload your bitter from. perhaps you should look in the mirror when tossing out the word obsessive."
COMFORT: I realize that you are being hyper-defensive because the shoe fits but in fact I don't have to point out your inordinate level of obsessiveness because your statement above does it for me!
BTW, although I realize that you are desperately attempting to wiggle out of a situation YOU created by now claiming that I am obsessive for making 20 posts but my manipulative friend the majority of these posts were in response to other posters comments while yours were ONLY directed to me in an attempt to undermine my position! So the label of obsessiveness sticks and your hyper-defensive ploys to deflect this feedback is not making you look very credible.
Oh just as a reminder, you are once again engaging in "clinical" and ad hominem attacks (ie, assuming that I am unloading MY BITTERNESS). However, I do hope that you keep your promise not to post any further because the more you do the more we are able to observe your holding others to your entitled and haughty standards while you relate and say whatever you please. No my friend, this is not the way it goes in the real world where you will act and conduct your self as you please BUT cry wolf when another calls you out regarding your grossly inappropriate BS.
Fun int he sun: "YOU'VE MADE ALOT OF PERSONAL ATTACKS HERE BUT TRUTHFULLY YOU SEEM TO BE PROJECTING. LOOK AT THE NATURE OF YOUR ATTACKS...................................................".
COMFORT: I thought you said above that you were not planning to post anymore and denied being obsessive and not defensive? RIGHT! Primarily you are engaging in another "clinical" (projection) assessment of me. In addition my poor, poor, poor friend USING BOLD PRINT does not prove your points but is another indication of what appears to be obsessiveness. In fact I was merely giving you a lesson in humility by making these jocular comments, which you misintepreted as attacks, because quite frankly your initial and follow-up post were inordinately on attack mode with the intent to devalue and discredit my position without ever attempting to determine the basis for my initiating this thread. Not a good show my friend.
So ladies now this wonderful guy is all yours. You can have FUN in the sun! Any takers? | |
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