| The bimbo-ization of women and its effects on relationships
Posted: 5/12/2009 7:29:55 AM | I totally agree with you. Most T.V. shows are produced and written by men so men display their fantasies and prejudices regarding women on television. And unfortunately the awareness level of most women is non existant regarding what is happening to women in this society concerning how they are portrayed.
It is no different than if african-americans were all portrayed on television as mindless nitwits. The only difference is that african-americans are sensitized and hyper aware of any slurs against them and will raise heck if there are any portrayals of them on television as bimbos. | |
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| The bimbo-ization of women and its effects on relationships
Posted: 5/12/2009 7:38:27 AM | 'Boston Legal' has strong, independent, intelligent female characters.
'CSI', ditto.
'NCIS', ditto.
'Bones', ditto.
'Saving Grace', ditto.
'The Closer', ditto.
'Law and Order', ditto.
'Medium', ditto.
'In Plain Sight', ditto.
Children's programs also have female characters who are strong and compassionate--Dora, springs to mind--and those on Sesame Street.
If one looks for 'Bimbos', one will see them. If one looks for intelligent, strong, capable women, one will find them. | |
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| The bimbo-ization of women and its effects on relationships
Posted: 5/12/2009 9:00:25 AM | Florence Balcombe, quote:"I am always afraid to make a post for fear of some imbecile with remedial abilities, yelling loudly, and accomplishing nothing, which is what this comfort person has done".
Comfort: I hate to disturb you during your angry rant but for someone who assumes to have such incredible amounts of insight and perspicacity into my alleged nefarious motives for initiating this thread, without even once inquiring as to its basis, the fact that you are engaging in hostile and hominem attacks against that person does not exactly speak well of you either! No one pressured you to participate in this thread, you did so on your own volition and you obviously could have ignored it but instead you chose to vent. In addition there are other posters who have provided some very significant points, thoughts and insights regarding the topic of this thread that although may not meet your opinionated standards and expectations perhaps met theirs.
So if you don't like what you read does not imply that this thread should be closed because of your ego-centric demands that dictates that you know best. Sorry, it does not work that way. In fact there are numerous threads on this site that I felt were totally absurd and provocative BUT I did not respond, did not engage in name calling (ie, imbecile, etc) as you did, but merely moved on. It is really as simple and straighforward as that. | |
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| The bimbo-ization of women and its effects on relationships
Posted: 5/12/2009 9:01:45 AM |
More and more TV shows are portraying women as bimbos, lacking any depth but merely superficial impersonal sexual objects who are inordinately self-centered, entitled, demanding, contemptuous and completely oblivious to the feelings and needs of others!
You say this as if it's something new......
Been going on for years! | |
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| The bimbo-ization of women and its effects on relationships
Posted: 5/12/2009 9:16:19 AM |
Whether it be the Cougar, She's Got the Looks, Bridezilla, Tough Love and a host of other programs...
The OP is referring to nothing but reality shows to prove his point. I don't think that necessarily reflects a "bimbo-ization" of women, but a general dumbing down of our culture, not to mention people's desperate desire to get on TV and/or become "famous" (Octomom anyone?), and how low they will sink to accomplish it. Most people watch those shows for the same reason they can't turn away from watching a train wreck; I can boil down all the laughs from the silliness without wasting more than a half hour by watching The Soup. Anyone who actually sees these types of people as role models is almost as ridiculous and pathetic as the knuckleheads they are watching on the boob tube, and obviously not someone to be taken seriously. | |
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| The bimbo-ization of women and its effects on relationships
Posted: 5/12/2009 9:34:15 AM | Browneyes: QUOTE- "Two things have been noted repeatedly on this thread but you are not interested in opinions just promoting your narrow paradigm for social problems that are so vast they are not remotively related to televsicion programming or the characters depicted in fearture films".
Comfort: A number of interesting observations have emerged from a review of a number of posts in this thread, but the most glaring is when one makes erroneous assumptions, as you do in your above assertion, without any substantive basis! In fact I am interested in learning what others have to say about this topic because obviously there are myriad other factors that play a role in the issue being discussed and I am receptive to your feedback and thoughts as well as from others.
So please, make your points because some are very valid but keep in mind that you are negating your position by prefacing your feedback with your editoralizing about the presumed negative intentions of another poster because it does not strengthen your case and it definitely does not describe my motives! | |
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| The bimbo-ization of women and its effects on relationships
Posted: 5/12/2009 9:40:19 AM | | happily ever after, yes it is true that it is a dumbing down of the culture BUT that is one of the hallmarks of a bimbo; dumb and out-of-touch! I also agree that these shows are ludicrous BUT they are obviously watched by tens of millions of people so cannot be summarily be dismissed as not being of any significance or not having any impact, especially on younger audiences, because I believe it either influences or reinforces images that are deemed attractive and the norm in our society potentially resulting in others attempting to emulating these "icons". | |
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| The bimbo-ization of women and its effects on relationships
Posted: 5/12/2009 9:43:38 AM | | wild heart, yes it is true that this has been going on for years BUT the number of these programs has increased exponentiously on many TV networks,with tens of millions of viewers, a phenomena that did not exist years ago. | |
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Posted: 5/12/2009 9:59:04 AM |
BUT the number of these programs has increased exponentiously on many TV networks,with tens of millions of viewers, a phenomena that did not exist years ago.
The reason for this was addressed by another poster earlier in the thread. These types of shows are inexpensive to produce. << That is the bottom line.
The following adds to the mix:
* The increase in specialty (cable) television has meant there is a huge increase in the need for content 24/7. Coupled with...
* Falling audiences on conventional tv
* A reduction in the number of hours per week audiences view TV (among other factors, the internet has eroded some hours)
* Fragmentation of audiences across many channels (fewer people watching each program) which means less potential revenue for the networks (they can only charge based on how many people watch the show) which means less $$ to produce programming.
* A rise in the cost of advertising causes advertisers to consider other more cost efficient and effective means to reach an audience (because of fragmentation, each spot costs more but reaches fewer people; therefore the cost to advertise increases).
And the cycle goes on... | |
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| The bimbo-ization of women and its effects on relationships
Posted: 5/12/2009 10:10:44 AM | ItsMargo, very relevant points.
As an addendum to this list is the strong possiblity that such TV shows and films reflect what is actually occuring in our culture and society at large, thereby reflecting these values as well as inordinate levels of ego-centrism and narcissistic preoccupation that is pervasive. Otherwise these shows would not be achieving the high level of viewer audiences and ratings that they do. BTW, although not mentioned in your post but in another, this bimbo-ization process is not solely focused on women but includes men as well. | |
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Posted: 5/12/2009 10:18:24 AM |
"Two things have been noted repeatedly on this thread but you are not interested in opinions just promoting your narrow paradigm for social problems that are so vast they are not remotively related to televsicion programming or the characters depicted in fearture films"
Interesting that you not only managed to quote me in a manner that makes it appear that you are quoting Browneyes and also somehow manage to insert mis-spellings into the post, hmmm.
And yup, I am making erroneous observations when you argue with every cogent response that differs from yours, i.e. people that have indicated that the number of people that are really influenced by or have problems in their relationships as a result of watching negative stereotypes of women is relatively small if not minute. I would also add that if someone experiences this he would only have himself to blame for seeking out vapid eye candy.
I don't need to strengthen my case, you do so every time you post.
As an addendum to this list is the strong possiblity that such TV shows and films reflect what is actually occuring in our culture and society at large, thereby reflecting these values as well as inordinate levels of ego-centrism and narcissistic preoccupation that is pervasive. Otherwise these shows would not be achieving the high level of viewer audiences and ratings that they do. BTW, although not mentioned in your post but in another, this bimbo-ization process is not solely focused on women but includes men as well.
People watch the shows because they are entertaining, not because they believe that the b.s. they see on Jerry Springer is "real" life. Why do people respond more readily to a thread with a poorly thought-out premise when they leave threads alone that actually require more than minimal thought? Because as others have noted time and time again, we are intrigued by the train or car wreck and cannot seem to stop looking.
As usual, Margo makes exceedingly cogent points that should also include that watching television only changes one's thoughts and behaviors if one allows and wants it to. | |
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| The bimbo-ization of women and its effects on relationships
Posted: 5/12/2009 10:22:16 AM |
As an addendum to this list is the strong possiblity that such TV shows and films reflect what is actually occuring in our culture and society at large, thereby reflecting these values as well as inordinate levels of ego-centrism and narcissistic preoccupation that is pervasive.
^^^I think I already mentioned similarly in my first post on pg 2. | |
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| The bimbo-ization of women and its effects on relationships
Posted: 5/12/2009 10:26:41 AM |
As an addendum to this list is the strong possiblity that such TV shows and films reflect what is actually occuring in our culture and society at large, thereby reflecting these values as well as inordinate levels of ego-centrism and narcissistic preoccupation that is pervasive.
^^^I think I already mentioned similarly in my first post on pg 2.
As did I in Post 52.
People like these shows because while the character is usually overblown, there is a grain of truth in them. American humor has always been able to look at the idiosyncrasies of life through humor of this sort. The Cave Man probably did a lot more for male/female relationships than the Mars/Venus b.s. There are people that are like this just as there are people like those portrayed on The Cosby Show. The fact that some people buy into the scenario depicted by the shows is an illustration of ignorance and while it may be influenced by the shows, it was not created by them.
You can't even acknowledge when people are agreeing with you. | |
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| The bimbo-ization of women and its effects on relationships
Posted: 5/12/2009 11:35:18 AM | packagedealX3, it is more interesting that you once again made an assumption that I intentionally attributed the quote to Browneyes, which was an error, and then assume that I "...somehow manage to insert mis-spellings into into the post, hmm".
This hyper-vigilance and misperception of my motives is exactly what you did in your previous post as well. Instead of accusing me you could have asked me and I would have readily admitted my mistake and apologized but instead you came to an erroneous conclusion. Is it because you don't like the fact that I broached the issue of bimbos and feel that it resonates something that you are uncomfortable with?  . Just a rhetorical question. | |
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Posted: 5/12/2009 11:46:18 AM | Florence Balcomgbe YES, please do so. In short you are claiming that in EVERY POST where someone has disagreed with me, meaning ALL posts of this nature. Please quote each and every one of them to substantiate your assertion that I called them angry and accused them of ranting. I look forward to reviewing EVERY post in question that you provide to support your contention.
In the meantime, in addition to derailing this thread further why not consider adding your own thoughts about the subject in question other than to continue an ongoing flame war. Remember you are not being pressured to participate in this thread but are doing so because you wish to so, so try to add a positive dimension to this thread rather than fuel it with venom that you are accusing me of doing. | |
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Posted: 5/12/2009 11:50:04 AM | Color me stupid, but since you apparently do not know how to use the quote function, you have repeatedly throughout the thread attributed others' and your comments with things such as
Browneyes: QUOTE
Comfort123: Blah, blah
OP, whether you inaccurately attributed the post or not I was little concerned with your motives for posting it the way you did, merely observing the significant likelihood that the way you chose to display it would produce some ambiguity on the part of the reader, although they could go to post 127 and see the original post sans the mis-spellings (ergo my presumption that somehow in the translation you hit a few keys here and there). And btw, I also presumed that the original text was either accidentally altered or you typed it yourself instead of highlighting and copying it and didn't bother to check for typos. It seems to me that you are the one who wishes to read into things and is hypersensitive to anything anyone says.
As another poster noted, what you perceive as somehow hostile; the allegation has been leveled at anyone that has a thought you perceive as differing from yours. Mind you I am saying perceive because you are apparently incapable of recognizing that a good number of posts have noted that we find these things entertaining because they are a distorted reflection of situations that continue to exist in society. So yeah, I must have some kind of emotional problem that I am soooo glued to the thread and must respond in alarmingly emotion-laden rhetoric.
I think your premise is ridiculous and really has no point which has been said over and over on this thread. Some people subscribe to attitudes that the rest of us find mind-boggling, such a you continuing to assert that posting thoughts is arguing and a sign of some deep inner issue. Anyone that would suggest I have some personal problem with the whole bimbo thing apparently is ill-equipped to read, digest and process, and/or put two cogent thoughts together. | |
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Posted: 5/12/2009 11:50:11 AM | packagedeal3x, you are on a roll and unfortunately I am not in a rolling mood. So I acknowledge your contribution to the thread and apologize for not recalling every single sentence and phrase that each poster stated prior to my mentioning it. I guess my memory is not as sharp as it used to be.
Oh by the way the more you rant and the more you attack the more you are revealing that the theme of this thread is disturbing you in spite of your protestations and denial that it is not. That is fine. Just wanted you to know that the more you attack me the more it is clear that there is an underlying basis for these attacks that transcends my comments or not using the right quotation marks. Just my opinion. | |
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Posted: 5/12/2009 11:59:51 AM | Florence Balcombe, calm down! We are not discussing the collapse of the banking system but a subject entitled bimbo. Of course you are not angry, defensive or arguing with me or even calling me names. It is all in my imagination. .
In the meantime do you have something of value to add to the thread or not? If not move on because I am certain if you started a thread and I interjected with my objections thereby derailing your thread all h-ll would let loose. Thank you and have a good day. | |
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| The bimbo-ization of women and its effects on relationships
Posted: 5/12/2009 1:03:11 PM |
'Boston Legal' has strong, independent, intelligent female characters.
'CSI', ditto.
'NCIS', ditto.
'Bones', ditto.
'Saving Grace', ditto.
'The Closer', ditto.
'Law and Order', ditto.
'Medium', ditto.
'In Plain Sight', ditto.
Yes but those are fictional charactes in professional made TV shows. OP is talking about reality shows! | |
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| The bimbo-ization of women and its effects on relationships
Posted: 5/12/2009 2:25:52 PM | There is a thread about messaging people to compliment them on a nicely written profile or something positive. I felt really good reading it because its positive.
This thread on the other hand is just getting more and more mean and personal and mr comfort123 has a lot to do with this by constantly having to defend his "positions"? which seem to be ever shifting and widening . Yes, you started this thread, but don't make your personality the center of discussion.
You constantly tell people to calm down and stop ranting, methinks its you who should. Now, try not to respond to any comments for the next dozen postings. Can you manage that? | |
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| The bimbo-ization of women and its effects on relationships
Posted: 5/12/2009 3:30:43 PM |
(Msg 103) Can't a woman merely be presented on these shows as an exceedingly smart and effective person on par with the unattractive, fat bald headed male scientist, lawyer, doctor or whatever? And this is the point I am emphasizing because even when women are presented on these shows as intellectuals and professionals it is rarely without emphasizing their being "hot" thereby negating their relevance as equals with men resulting in their being perceived as sexual objects.
Why do you feel portraying someone as sexy equals portraying them as a "sexual object"?
Since the beginning of time woman have been seen as sexy. Ten thousand years ago men didn't get together in some back room and plot to degrade women. It is natural that woman are seen as sexy and it's natural for a woman to want to be seen as sexy. There isn't anything degrading about it.
When it comes to fat, bald headed, male scientists the women are not on par with them. They would be on par with a slim, full head of hair, male scientist.  Being physically fit and attractive is an attribute and, to be frank, I find it absurd for one to feel it should be downplayed.
Is there anything we deliberately try to make less attractive? Do we want intelligent people to deliberately make mistakes. A professional hockey player to deliberately miss a goal? A professional speaker to deliberately fumble their words? Do we dress our children to deliberately make them look poor and unkempt?
Attractiveness, what appeals to the opposite sex, involves a lot more than just sex. Good skin color. White teeth. Clear eyes. These are signs of health which also happen to be things people consider sexy, whereas an ill person is seldom attractive.
Just sayin'........... | |
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