| The bimbo-ization of women and its effects on relationships
Posted: 5/12/2009 4:08:20 PM |
More and more TV shows are portraying women as bimbos...
Yes but those are fictional charactes in professional made TV shows. OP is talking about reality shows!
What the OP said is quoted up ^^^ there. Yes, he gave examples of 'reality' shows in his assertion, but nowhere in that assertion did he say he was specifically talking about 'reality' shows. Therefore, I posted several examples where his assertion is made moot.
Do you live in the OP's brain? How do you know what he was thinking? | |
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| The bimbo-ization of women and its effects on relationships
Posted: 5/12/2009 4:43:09 PM | I can remember one episode of 'The Apprentice', where half the candidates were successful, wealthy, self-sufficient women.
They were all wheeled-up to see Trump's multi-million dollar apartment and on his arm was his 20-something, stick-thin, ex-model girlfriend. Trump's in his '60's and the whole mantra of the show was basically 'money can buy anything', including a bimbo if you're an old rich guy.
All of these supposedly-liberated, alpha females fauned all over his girlfriend and told her how lovely she was, none of them dared mention 'the elephant in the room' for fear of being kicked-off the show.
On another episode they showed a little clip of Trump in his office with another bloke and 'closing the deal' by having Miss Universe come into the room and sit with them.
This is using pretty women as trinkets and decoration and this guy was holding this creepy behavior up as something to aspire to.
I would love to have known what all of these female candidates REALLY thought about this misogynistic behavior, he was basically rubbing their noses in it. | |
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| The bimbo-ization of women and its effects on relationships
Posted: 5/12/2009 7:03:00 PM | I scanned this thread quickly, so I don't know if anybody ever mentioned it, but I see the same thing as it pertains to guys all of the time. Perhaps not the "bimbo-fication", or the sexual idolatry, but the gender warfare is still there...
You see it in commercials where you have the doting but buffoonish husband screwing up cooking the hamburger helper to the point where she rolls here eyes and has to pick up after his mess. I used to watch the sitcom King of Queens, where the dude whas a big dolt and his wife treated him like crap. even more obvious were the episodes of Sex in the City where it was all girl power all the time and the dudes inthe show were just kind of in the way...
Unfortunately I think this is a cultural thing that has been going on in both directions for decades. Personally I think it's one of the biggest hurdles we need to get over, next to racism and the like, if we're ever going to get to the next level as a species.
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| The bimbo-ization of women and its effects on relationships
Posted: 5/12/2009 7:13:12 PM |
So what does this imply regarding the capability of many of todays women being able to enter into and sustaining meaningful relationships with men? IMO, not a good prognosis!
To be honest, OP, considering I figure shows like that are just "crap tv" anyway, and haven't actually seen any of the shows you mentioned in your O-post...it really implies nothing to me, nor does it affect my life in any way.
Don't they have shows geared towards male mimbos (to use a Seinfeld phrase, lol) as well? I'm thinking the Bachelor and that Poison guy's show that I've seen ads for...
It implies nothing, far as I'm concerned. Unless any of the women you are dating, are taking these shows as gospel and living their life trying to emulate this sort of ludicrousness.
JMO...but then, I'm a 'Dexter' fan anyway.   | |
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| The bimbo-ization of women and its effects on relationships
Posted: 5/13/2009 5:03:50 AM | Joffin, one simple question. Please show us what positive feedback you have added to this discussion other than engaging in roiling thereby doing exactly what you are accusing me of doing? We are waiting!
What is truly significant about the feedback from certain posters, as the one above who contribute nothing positive to the discussion except to use it vent their angst BUT claim that I am the center of the problem, is that they fail to perceive and acknowledge their role in initiating and perpetuating this flaming situation ! They merely project the blame on the poster who will not tolerate such antics. In spite of their lack of insight, these individuals are actually part and parcel of the core problem as to why this thread went astray. | |
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| The bimbo-ization of women and its effects on relationships
Posted: 5/13/2009 5:10:45 AM |
professionals it is rarely without emphasizing their being "hot" thereby negating their relevance as equals with men resulting in their being perceived as sexual objects.
I've go the TV on now as I read your post, and an advert comes on for a woman's basketball match... titled "The hottest game on Earth" ..so yeah, I do see your point Comfort123. | |
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Posted: 5/13/2009 6:02:39 AM | Arabianangel, I saw the same advertisment as well. Another example is women's vollyball games where the focus is on their arses sticking out of their scant shorts rather than on their skills or the game itself.
Even when watching a number of news programs such as on FOX, many women anchors and commentators see nothing inappropriate or unprofessional about wearing their skirts way up their thighs which is sexually provocative! Of course if you were to ask these news reporters whether such dress is congruent with an image of professionalism on par with their male colleagues who wear suits, they may reply with something to the effect of "How dare you tell me how to dress. I am a woman and have equal rights to do what I wish". What these ladies do not understand is that their legs and arses are taking precedence over their competence and their brains, smarts and savvy in the minds of many male viewers!
Now I understand how sex sells and that the producers of these shows and sporting events understand very well that very attractive and sexy women attract large viewer audiences. Unfortunately the effect on how women are perceived is primarily as sexual objects not equals on par with men. | |
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Posted: 5/13/2009 6:36:02 AM | | Iconoclast, speaking about "dead horses." A review of your previous posts on this and other threads reveals a history of negativity and a combative edge. As mentioned to other posters who have attempted to derail this thread, if YOU feel that this thread is irrelevant, or if you believe it is a dead equine or BS than very simply don't read or respond to it because quite frankly YOUR input is negligible! | |
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Posted: 5/13/2009 6:52:27 AM | | Whenwillthiswork26, you are right on target. Many TV shows, from the most frivolous to those with a more serious tone (ie, news programs) accentuate the sexuality of women over their competence and brains. Obviously this hyper-sexual emphasis appeals to massive audiences but anyone who states that this has NO impact on the attitudes, behavior and the manner in which men and women relate to one another are not attuned to how the media wields it power of influence to sway and manipulate peoples' perceptions and belief systems. | |
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| The bimbo-ization of women and its effects on relationships
Posted: 5/13/2009 7:33:57 AM |
What these ladies do not understand is that their legs and arses are taking precedence over their competence and their brains, smarts and savvy in the minds of many male viewers!
What you don't seem to understand is that MOST people (including "ladies" which by the way can be seen as both a condescending and judgemental label) are very much aware and know exactly what the media is (and has always been) about. I find your assumption that "ladies" don't understand insulting since this "lady" understood all that you "understand" a looooong time ago WITHOUT your help.
It's your opinion only that the bimbo-ization of women seems to be getting worse - it's not a fact nor do I have to share or agree with your position. For as long as I can remember, women have ALWAYS been portrayed poorly by the media. Do you honestly believe that Marianne or Ginger were good role models for young girls/young women to have? Or that growing up seeing the hundreds of commercials that "validated" both my womanhood and my very existence by how white/soft/clean my clothes were or by how soft/smooth my hands were or by how/clean/sparkling my dishes were was not the epitome of the bimbo-ization of women???
This objectification (and/or subjectification) of women existed LONG before TV - it was in books and magazines and on billboards ads and in calenders and in pin-ups posters and before that, it was the LAW, not only of the land, but of the holy land also (haven't you ever read the bible?)
So please stop assuming that you and only you "understand" when it's clear to me that it's you who don't understand or only choose to understand what YOU want to understand.
And for the record, I would much rather that my granddaughter be exposed to the "evil and sexified bimborettes" who are on TV and in the media today than be exposed to the misogynistic one-sided agenda I was exposed to when I was a kid - at least today, BOTH men AND women are being portrayed negatively EQUALLY.
And lastly, everyone ("ladies" and children included) can learn to discern fact from fiction by learning HOW to think critically - my granddaughter is only 15 years old and she already knows how to look at any information that's presented to her ( whether it'd be through studies/stats/"the media"/books/her teachers/her friends/and yes even her own parents/grand-parents) objectively and logically and discern for *herself* what's what, therefore I can reasonably assume that most adults are (or should be) able to do the same.
So please quit assuming that we're all dumb or unaware or brainwashed just because some of us don't agree with your position that the bimbo-ization of women is something new and/or worse today than it was in "the good old days" .... in my opinion, "my" days and "the good old days" were MUCH worse than they are today in representing women and my opinion is also based on my own personal experience(s) of having lived through some of those "good old days", not just from something I read in a book or magazine or that "the media" (or some stranger on the Internet) is trying to shove down my throat.
JMO
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| The bimbo-ization of women and its effects on relationships
Posted: 5/13/2009 7:57:01 AM | You can whine about the perceived opinions of other people (including those of the media), or you can ignore those opinions/portrayals and associate with those who also ignore detrimental notions. The choice lies with individuals to do that. Diverting responsibility for that to others is a sign of weakness. The truth is that the whiners, deep down, often believe those stereotypes themselves. That's why the portrayals bother them.
An actress who allows herself to be portrayed a certain way is doing it of her own free-will. She's not a victim of bimbo-ization---she is choosing of her own free will to be portrayed a certain way for profit. A person who chooses to watch ,or alternatively, to obsess or whine about, certain portrayals is also choosing to do that of her/his own free will. There are no victims in any part of that---only willing participants who are freely choosing how to relate with and respond to others. | |
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Posted: 5/13/2009 7:57:25 AM | Oldsoul, contrary to your modus operandi of personalizing and engaging in accusations and off- the -wall assumptions, such as your allegation that I am assuming that "...we're all dumb and unaware or brainwashed", in fact I never stated, implied or inferred that at all! What I did was merely express MY perceptions and MY opinions without any general assumptions as to women's ability to process these matters. It is your misinterpretation that is at issue here, as revealed in other threads as well, NOT what I or any other male actually stated!
In addition your global assertion that "...everyone ("ladies" and children included) can learn to discern fact from fiction by learning How to think critically...", is ludicrous! This is because not "everone" can process these issues as you cavalierly state, and using your grand daughter as an example, regardless of her level of sophistication regarding such matters, in no way reflects on the critical thinking skills of many other young women including how they perceive and integrate these messages emanating from these bimbo oriented programs.
What I do find very significant is the level of defensiveness exhibited by you in this and other threads relating to ANY issues broached by men that YOU misinterpret to imply or infer as being critical to to your gender! | |
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Posted: 5/13/2009 8:10:47 AM | | Spitfire, no one is whining but discussing an issue that pervades practically every facet of our media including entertainment, news, sporting events, etc, with significant implication for our society. Obviously your example of the actress is accurate and she is "...not a victim of bimbo-ization" but of free will. Regardless she is perceived by many of her viewing audience as being a bimbo! In addition, many young women aspire to emulate such icons as the Britney Spears and related role models resulting in their copying their style of dress and conduct. These are not isolated examples but pervasive issues that are having a major impact on our culture resulting in the so-called dumbing down of America as well as the decline of civility due to the narcissism and disregard for others that generally accompanies such bimbo antics. | |
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| The bimbo-ization of women and its effects on relationships
Posted: 5/13/2009 8:34:57 AM | | totheone who is talking about being "submissive"? It is not a matter of being submissive at all but a cultural phenomenon that I believe is having a major impact, and not necessarily a positive one, on our society. | |
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Posted: 5/13/2009 9:09:38 AM | So let's get this straight. It's the problem of the media that's causing the dumbing down of our society and causing women/girls to be bimbos? If we're going to play the blame game, let's not go after media. Go after parents for allowing their daughters and sons to be babysat by TV and to not sit down with them and teach them what self respect for one's self and respect for the opposing gender is.
I'm not for censorship and am certainly not going to say that there can't be the Britney Spears' of the world. As a matter of fact, those parents who have daughters, if they have a problem with how their daughters are dressing or acting because they are emulating someone like that, they should be the ones reinforcing the fact that's not the way to act or dress in one's every day life. The parents are responsible for buying the clothes for their children and/or providing them money to buy their own clothes as well as teaching them right from wrong in any number of ways. If those parents have no problem with their child growing up to be a bimbo, chances are they were a bimbo themselves and it's something that's been allowed to be perpetuated within the family nucleus - whatever that nucleus consists of.
I'm sick and tired of people who try to blame something or someone else constantly for their own lack of parenting skills. It's no different than those who complain about cartoons or video games being the cause of destructive behaviour in their children when they do wrong instead of looking to their own parenting skills. If you find society to be dumbing down, look to lazy dumbed downed parents who may be perpetuating certain things, including the fact that what is seen on TV isn't reality and it's not to be emulated but enjoyed for the entertainment value alone - generally as comic relief. As I said previously - stupid is as stupid does. | |
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Posted: 5/13/2009 9:31:02 AM | I don't have an MO and my opinions are (mostly) personalised because that's what opinions are - personal!
In one breath you state that YOU only presented your personal opinions/perceptions and in the very next breath, you vilify me and others for presenting ours. Wth?
And you never (or rarely) addressed any of the many valid points that I or any of the other posters presented to counter your arguments (or opinions) ...which leads me to reasonably assume (yes one can logically and reasonably assume aka form a judgement or come to a (most likely) conclusion) that you're not interested in having a discussion as much as in pushing your own agenda.
And no, you nor anyone (male of female) trying to berate me/my opinions won't bimborize me into silence or in agreeing with you/your opinions, even if my life depended on it.
But have fun on your podium...err...I mean on your thread. This bimbo is out for the rest of the day - the floor is all yours.
JMO
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| The bimbo-ization of women and its effects on relationships
Posted: 5/13/2009 9:31:45 AM | msg1.
Prognostic or not, its entertainment. Much like other media that portrays a sterotyped man as any thing but what the "classic" notion of what male is.
If women,(or men for that matter) devolve into "monkey see, monkey do" type homo nonsapients. Then others will gladly shape them like clay into the social tools they will become. Their mental processes being no more natural than the injection molded plastic, of their toys. And what usefull semi sentient tools they will be. ;)
The problem is not with the media, however. Its with the people whom provide no other option other than to subscribe to those "rules of opinion".
Either that, or the WWW needs to install a HAL 12k into every home, so as to do the parenting ones sperm and egg donor, is neglecting to participate in.
When one form of opinion is easily acessable from 9 to 9 24/7, other opinions which take daily personal effort to contradict are extinguished. Inevitably.
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Posted: 5/13/2009 9:32:41 AM | | chameleonf, no one is disagreeing with you! Because the media is conveying and reinforcing these bimbo images every way they can does not in any way extricate parents from serving as appropriate role models and setting structure and limits to the extent in which their children emulate these bimbo icons. | |
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Posted: 5/13/2009 9:40:35 AM |
More and more TV shows are portraying women as bimbos
Frankly, I'd say LESS and LESS when one compares it to shows of yesteryear. In fact, I think the tables have turned and more and more sitcoms target men as bimbos. Neither stance is true; it's just humour picking at the extremes. If someone bases their attitude on tv shows, it's a good sign to take a pass. | |
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Posted: 5/13/2009 9:47:28 AM | OP, apart from the show’s, woman do it to themselves. There are woman out there who accept and almost seem to want that kind of relationship. Not all men want that from a woman, as not all woman want that kind of treatment.
I think you are treated how you want and find acceptable as proper respect. If you are being treated in a way you disagree with, than say it. If that person doesn’t respect that, then walk away. IMO, woman who lack in self confidence and self respect are the ones that tend to “sexualize” themselves for negative attention. As well, if you don’t agree with what you are watching, then quite simply, don’t, I don’t, so I’m not bothered by it.
I disagree. Society/humanity was violent long before violent cartoons came on the scene. I mean seriously...!
I agree with that completely, however, technology has really made it possible for human’s to kill human’s without having as many of the emotional repercussions. I have heard of some video games being used by the military to desensitize their men/woman before going out on the field. Therefore I think that it is now easier to do more damage and kill more people because you’re not having to point a gun at someone’s head and shot them in “cold blood”. | |
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