| Unplanned Pregnancy Doesn'Have to Lead to Birth or Parenthood
Posted: 6/30/2009 11:10:27 AM |
I was saying that they cannot officially conclude that all sexually active women have had a miscarriage or chemical pregnancy because not every sexually active woman is being studied or taking pregnancy tests when her period is due.
Not every woman who is sexually active, but every woman who has had a live birth has had fertilized eggs and embryos die. | |
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| Unplanned Pregnancy Doesn'Have to Lead to Birth or Parenthood
Posted: 6/30/2009 11:28:51 AM | bosoxfaninwa says:
Actually, it is not legally murder unless the baby is born alive and then dies because of the assault.
Actually bosoxfan, you are misinformed. In some cases, the killing of UNBORN children can result in murder charges. Look at the Scott Peterson case. He killed his wife Lacie Peterson while she was 7 1/2 months pregnant with their child, Connor. Scott was charged with DOUBLE murder (1st degree murder for his wife and 2nd degree murder for their unborn child) Yes, it can legally happen... and Scott is currently on death row.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laci_Peterson | |
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| Unplanned Pregnancy Doesn'Have to Lead to Birth or Parenthood
Posted: 6/30/2009 11:35:48 AM |
easy for man to say ! lol well i did not want an abortion and it wasnt 4 me beside i love my son to death !
The intent of the thread wasn't to force anyone to give a child up for adoption or anything, it was to have people face the fact that having and keeping a child was not an accident, but a conscious choice. | |
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| Unplanned Pregnancy Doesn'Have to Lead to Birth or Parenthood
Posted: 6/30/2009 12:44:50 PM |
honestly, its offensive that someone would refer to living beings as poptarts. especially an unborn child.
I just lost what little faith in humanity I had left.
From now on, I will not just avoid dating single mothers, but avoid them altogether in case stupidity and lack of a sense of humor is contagious. | |
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Posted: 6/30/2009 12:50:51 PM |
From now on, I will not just avoid dating single mothers, but avoid them altogether in case stupidity and lack of a sense of humor is contagious.
I did try to explain that it was an analogy, but unfortunately many people do not understand what an analogy is. | |
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| Unplanned Pregnancy Doesn'Have to Lead to Birth or Parenthood
Posted: 6/30/2009 1:38:45 PM |
Actually bosoxfan, you are misinformed. In some cases, the killing of UNBORN children can result in murder charges. Look at the Scott Peterson case. He killed his wife Lacie Peterson while she was 7 1/2 months pregnant with their child, Connor. Scott was charged with DOUBLE murder (1st degree murder for his wife and 2nd degree murder for their unborn child) Yes, it can legally happen... and Scott is currently on death row.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laci_Peterson
I have not been "informed" of anything, so I do not know what I have been misinformed about. I read. Wikipedia is not a source of good information. Have you ever noticed the little "edit" link?
You are really reaching. This is not the same as abortion by assault. Also, the codes in California specifically state a fetus, in this case separate, from a human being. Also, it has to be medically considered a fetus, not an embryo or zygote.
California enacted its fetal homicide law in 1970. Penal Code ยง 187 (a) states: "Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being, or a fetus, with malice aforethought."
Subsection (3) of section 187 provides an exemption if "[t]he act was solicited, aided, abetted, or consented to by the mother of the fetus."
Scott Peterson intended to end the life of Laci Peterson, which would result in killing the unborn child, without the mother's consent or help, so it was considered murder in the second degree.
This is not the first case like this since 1970, it is just the most publicized. | |
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Posted: 6/30/2009 2:00:54 PM | astock:
In post 1062 I asked a series of questions. In 1073 you quoted those questions, but never really answered them.
You spew opinion and evade pretty well, but you don't seem to deal with facts so smoothly.
Further, when you then go on and try to make a point with something I was addressing that SOMEONE ELSE posted - you take it completely out of context. traci1963 posted that murder is legal - I pointed out why it isn't. In fact, even the laws you try to grasp at don't state that it's murder, do they?
In any case, sticking to what you originally posted - I'm dying to know how you came to the conclusions you did, and if you can answer my 4 questions. If they're just opinion, fine, no problem, just don't treat them like they're facts set in stone. | |
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Posted: 6/30/2009 2:22:31 PM | | Box, u said earlier that a child HAS TO BE BORN ALIVE to be charged for murder... now you were proven wrong, you change your answer... after the 5th month, the embryo is then called a fetus. Its like I said earlier. | |
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Posted: 6/30/2009 2:31:34 PM |
Abortion is awesome.
I do abortion for fun sometimes with coathangars and baseball bats pro-bono.
Gets the juices going in the morning - like coffee.
LOL! I throw poptarts out of my car window on the highway when I'm going 80 mph! | |
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Posted: 6/30/2009 2:40:44 PM |
Box, u said earlier that a child HAS TO BE BORN ALIVE to be charged for murder... now you were proven wrong, you change your answer... after the 5th month, the embryo is then called a fetus. Its like I said earlier.
I said that abortion by assault is not murder. You are talking about premeditated murder of a pregnant woman in the state of California. Assault* resulting in a spontaneous abortion is not considered murder.
I believe the 47th day of gestation is considered to be the first day an embryo becomes a fetus.
*Since you are unclear of how this differs from murder in the first degree, here is a legal definition:
A crime that occurs when one person tries to physically harm another in a way that makes the person under attack feel immediately threatened. Actual physical contact is not necessary; threatening gestures that would alarm any reasonable person can constitute an assault.
You also have completely missed the purpose of this debate, which is very sad. The point is that an unborn baby is not considered to be a person. Even the argument that Scott Peterson was found guilty of murder in the second degree of his unborn baby is based on that same fact. They added "fetus" to the penal code section 187 to include premeditated murder of potential life. | |
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Posted: 6/30/2009 2:42:15 PM |
LOL! I throw poptarts out of my car window on the highway when I'm going 80 mph!
I like to buy up all the boxes of poptarts from every local grocer and until they sellout on amazon.com and then incinerate them in a bonfire.
The bubbling filling inside of those cardboard shells really gets me going. | |
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Posted: 6/30/2009 2:57:39 PM |
I like to buy up all the boxes of poptarts from every local grocer and until they sellout on amazon.com and then incinerate them in a bonfire.
The bubbling filling inside of those cardboard shells really gets me going.
ROFL!! OK you win!!! You have the sickest mind when it comes to poptart torture. | |
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Posted: 6/30/2009 3:40:41 PM | I had a 7 week ultrasound and saw my daughters spinal cord, heartbeat, and little club like-hands and feet and two inch long body that resemled a little shrimp.
Could have aborted then, but she looked a lot like a person (shrimp-person anyways) to me.
I call it her first baby picture. She gives me the roll-eye and emberresment sigh and talk to the hand flip when i pull that baby shrimp with a spinal cord and heartbeat photo out to show people. | |
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Posted: 6/30/2009 6:56:14 PM |
I had a 7 week ultrasound and saw my daughters spinal cord, heartbeat, and little club like-hands and feet and two inch long body that resemled a little shrimp.
Could have aborted then, but she looked a lot like a person (shrimp-person anyways) to me.
I call it her first baby picture. She gives me the roll-eye and emberresment sigh and talk to the hand flip when i pull that baby shrimp with a spinal cord and heartbeat photo out to show people.
Wow, all I could see was a flashing light :/ | |
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Posted: 6/30/2009 7:45:32 PM |
I had a 7 week ultrasound and saw my daughters spinal cord, heartbeat, and little club like-hands and feet and two inch long body that resemled a little shrimp.
Could have aborted then, but she looked a lot like a person (shrimp-person anyways) to me.
In the 7th week of pregnancy, the embryo is about 1/5 of an inch long. | |
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