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 GGarbo

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Posted: 7/29/2009 12:00:08 AM
I'm stuck at home while being tested for it :(

I feel like I have a mild head cold with fatigue but decided to go to the doc because I got sick a few days after being on international flights in Europe as the numbers doubled. I was fully expecting to hear I had a mild head cold so could go to work but instead found out I'm like 1/3 of the cases.

I have no headache, no fever, and no muscle/joint pain. I just have a head cold and feel kind of crappy. I've definitely been sicker and have worked. I was miserable and rather unproductive, but I did work.

The big difference I noticed was how I was treated at the doctors. I was immediately ushered into a private room and given a mask. Even after touching my health card the receptionist was sanitizing herself. I felt like Typhoid Mary before I was even examined.

I could probably go to work with a mask on because I haven't been positively tested but am thinking that would make my co-workers so uncomfortable due to the media hype that its best I stay home. Even just walking through the mall to get to the car with a mask on I could feel people staring and wondering.

I have never had a head cold treated so seriously. I'm chalking it up to that I was traveling when I got sick and a lot of the media hype is revolving around travelers. I have no problem with precautions just the unnecessary fear associated. There are precautions you should take when your sick but people don't need to fear me anymore than they would with any other flu... ESPECIALLY since I haven't even been diagnosed yet.

I'm sure by the time my results come in, rumour will have me with one foot in the grave.
 Scints

Joined: 6/11/2009
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Posted: 7/29/2009 1:20:24 AM
I agree with the others who said Swine flu in itself is not as dangerous as seasonal flu which kills 36,000 people a year.
However, I am concerned about a hybrid forming when we already have resident swine flu injected into our bodies, and come into contact with seasonal flu, or worse, the return of Avian flu.

Here is a recent article which may be of interest before you consider taking the H1N1 vaccine:


This article was taken from Natural News. Link below or read the whole article here.
http://www.naturalnews.com/026717_swine_flu_flu_vaccine_swine_flu_vaccine.html

Let's not beat around the bush on this issue: The swine flu vaccines now being prepared for mass injection into infants, children, teens and adults have never been tested and won't be tested before the injections begin. In Europe, where flu vaccines are typically tested on hundreds (or thousands) of people before being unleashed on the masses, the European Medicines Agency is allowing companies to skip the testing process entirely.

And yet, amazingly, people are lining up to take the vaccine, absent any safety testing whatsoever. When the National Institutes of Health in the U.S. announced a swine flu vaccine trial beginning in early August, it was inundated with phone calls and emails from people desperate to play the role of human guinea pigs. The power of fear to herd sheeple into vaccine injections is simply amazing...

Back in Europe, of course, everybody gets to be a guinea pig since no testing will be done on the vaccine at all. Even worse, the European vaccines will be using adjuvants -- chemicals used to multiply the potency of the active ingredients in vaccines.

Notably, there is absolutely no safety data on the use of adjuvants in infants and expectant mothers -- the two groups being most aggressively targeted by the swine flu vaccine pushers. The leads us to the disturbing conclusion that the swine flu vaccine could be a modern medical disaster. It's untested and un-tried. Its ingredients are potentially quite dangerous, and the adjuvants being used in the European vaccines are suspected of causing neurological disorders.
Paralyzed by vaccines
I probably don't need to remind you that in 1976, a failed swine flu vaccine caused irreparable damage to the nervous systems of hundreds of people, paralyzing many. Medical doctors gave the problem a name, of course, to make it sound like they knew what they were talking about: Guillain-Barre syndrome. (Notably, they never called it "Toxic Vaccine Syndrome" because that would be too informative.)

But the fact remains that doctors never knew how the vaccines caused these severe problems, and if the same event played out today, all the doctors and vaccine pushers would undoubtedly deny any link between the vaccines and paralysis altogether. (That's what's happening today with the debate over vaccines and autism: Complete denial.)

In fact, there are a whole lot of things you'll never be told by health authorities about the upcoming swine flu vaccine. For your amusement, I've written down the ten most obvious ones and published them below.
Ten things you're not supposed to know about the swine flu vaccine
(At least, not by anyone in authority...)

#1 - The vaccine production was "rushed" and the vaccine has never been tested on humans. Do you like to play guinea pig for Big Pharma? If so, line up for your swine flu vaccine this fall...

#2 - Swine flu vaccines contain dangerous adjuvants that cause an inflammatory response in the body. This is why they are suspected of causing autism and other neurological disorders.

#3 - The swine flu vaccine could actually increase your risk of death from swine flu by altering (or suppressing) your immune system response. There is zero evidence that even seasonal flu shots offer any meaningful protection for people who take the jabs. Vaccines are the snake oil of modern medicine.

#4 - Doctors still don't know why the 1976 swine flu vaccines paralyzed so many people. And that means they really have no clue whether the upcoming vaccine might cause the same devastating side effects. (And they're not testing it, either...)

#5 - Even if the swine flu vaccine kills you, the drug companies aren't responsible. The U.S. government has granted drug companies complete immunity against vaccine product liability. Thanks to that blanket immunity, drug companies have no incentive to make safe vaccines, because they only get paid based on quantity, not safety (zero liability).

#6 - No swine flu vaccine works as well as vitamin D to protect you from influenza. That's an inconvenient scientific fact that the U.S. government, the FDA and Big Pharma hope the people never realize.

#7 - Even if the swine flu vaccine actually works, mathematically speaking if everyone else around you gets the vaccine, you don't need one! (Because it can't spread through the population you hang with.) So even if you believe in the vaccine, all you need to do is encourage your friends to go get vaccinated...

#8 - Drug companies are making billions of dollars from the production of swine flu vaccines. That money comes out of your pocket -- even if you don't get the jab -- because it's all paid by the taxpayers.

#9 - When people start dying in larger numbers from the swine flu, rest assured that many of them will be the very people who got the swine flu vaccine. Doctors will explain this away with their typical Big Pharma logic: "The number saved is far greater than the number lost." Of course, the number "saved" is entirely fictional... imaginary... and exists only in their own warped heads.

#10 - The swine flu vaccine centers that will crop up all over the world in the coming months aren't completely useless: They will provide an easy way to identify large groups of really stupid people. (Too bad there isn't some sort of blue dye that we could tag 'em with for future reference...)


The 60 minutes video from the previous swine flu (which was also a trial run) resulted in over 4,000 people having neurological diseases from the vaccine.
 novascotialass

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Posted: 7/29/2009 6:03:51 AM
I tend to believe the government is trying to protect the public, not hide info. I pulled this off the Net. It's an interview with a Canadian infectious-disease expert. His answers about the vaccine are quite open. Still, even after reading this, I still haven't made up my mind on what I'll do
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20090724/vaccine_faq_090725/20090725?hub=Health


How safe is the vaccine expected to be?
The companies making H1N1 flu vaccine have been making seasonal flu vaccines for years and have good track records of safety. But they are unlikely to undertake the necessary, complicated safety studies themselves, and will likely work alongside government bodies that will fund the work.

Vaccine experts will test various doses of the H1N1 vaccine to see how large a dose is needed for protection and how many doses. They will also test whether people with egg allergies can be offered the pandemic flu vaccine. They might also test whether an adjuvant affects the vaccine's effectiveness and safety, and how the vaccine affects someone who has already had H1N1 infection.

The adult testing process has already started in some parts of the world and is due to start in the U.S. in mid-August. The process would likely take about six weeks. If early information from those trials suggests the vaccines are safe, similar trials in healthy children aged six months to 17 years would begin next.

Large-scale, long-term tests of safety won't be feasible if the vaccine is to be administered promptly. Therefore, Health Canada has said it will work with other world health agencies to monitor the safety and effectiveness of the vaccine in post-market surveillance, and "to ensure the timely communication of any potential adverse events following immunization."

Many remember the rare neurological events that followed the hastily prepared, swine-derived flu vaccine in 1976. The World Health Organization's flu chief, Keiji Fukuda, has said there must be no doubt over the safety of swine flu vaccines before they are given to the public.

How effective will the vaccine be?
It's expected the pandemic flu vaccine will be as effective as seasonal flu vaccine, which is to say not 100 per cent.

In years when the strains of the flu virus in the seasonal vaccine have been a good match for the dominant strains circulating in the community, the vaccine has been shown to reduce chances of infection by 70 to 90 per cent in healthy adults. The vaccine may be somewhat less effective in elderly persons and very young children. Fortunately, the elderly are not targeted to receive the vaccine because of their pre-existing immunity.

It should be noted that it takes about two weeks after vaccination for antibodies to develop in the body and provide protection, so a recipient is still at risk for infection in the two weeks after a shot.

It remains to be seen whether "booster" flu shots will be needed with this pandemic flu strain. This H1N1 strain may also begin to drift over time, such that a slightly different version of vaccine will be needed in the future. Or, H1N1 may "die out" as the main cause of flu after a few more seasons, and future years may not justify the need for an H1N1 vaccine.
 Scints

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Posted: 7/29/2009 6:16:15 AM

The companies making H1N1 flu vaccine have been making seasonal flu vaccines for years and have good track records of safety.


Sorry, novascotialass, but that's not the truth. The fact is that Baxter (the leading company making theH1N1 vaccination is the same company who accidentally sent live Avian flu in their seasonal flu vaccines to 18 different companies by "accident". Whether or not it was an accident, they have admited it did indeed happen. This could have caused the death of many people.


http://socioecohistory.wordpress.com/2009/07/09/bioweapons-dangerous-vaccines-and-threats-of-a-global-pandemic/
The contaminated product, “a mix of H3N2 seasonal flu viruses and unlabelled H5N1 (Avian Flu) viruses, was supplied to an Austrian research company….Avir Green Hills Biotechnology.” It then “sent portions of it to sub-contractors in the Czech Republic, Slovenia and Germany.”

The problem was discovered when The Czech Republic company discovered that ferrets innoculated with the product died. “Ferrets shouldn’t die from exposure to human H3N2 flu viruses.” Public health authorities called it a “serious error” that showed “the H5N1 virus in the product was live.” But Baxter “has been parsimonious about the amount of information it has released about the event.” Christopher Bona, the company’s global bioscience communications director, did confirm that the material was a “live….experimental virus” made at the Orth-Donau research laboratory.
 novascotialass

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Posted: 7/29/2009 7:08:54 AM
Don't forget that what I posted was from an interview of a Canadian expert being interviewed for Canadians. In the same interview he states "GlaxoSmithKline is the vaccine manufacturer under contract by the government of Canada to supply the country with a pandemic influenza vaccine", not Baxter.

Receiving a flu vaccine is a personal decision and there are risks with receiving it and with not receiving it. People need to know both and to decide according to their own personal beliefs and circumstances. Of course the increased risk due to human error in manufacturing a vaccine should also be considered and weighed into the equation, but that wouldn`t be what would sway my decision, since the incidence of that is still quite small.
 Scints

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Posted: 7/29/2009 7:35:38 AM
nova, in case you think it's different in Canada, here's a quote from a Canadian site with similar thoughts

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/stop-baxter-international-from-developing-the-h1n1-vaccine
Baxter International is a drug company that has been at the center of three major drug contamination scandals, one of them occured only a few months ago in February of this year:

1. Live avian flu was found in flu vaccines intended for human use:
http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2009/02/27/8560781.html

2. They sent out Heparin that did not even contain the main ingredient, but instead contained a chemically similar compound:
http://www.nowpublic.com/health/heparin-blood-thinner-baxter-partially-contaminated-fda-announced

3. And in the 1980's the FDA banned Baxter from using certain blood products known to contain HIV and AIDS. So what did they do? They sold them to foreign countries with no warning about what they contained:
http://www.businessweek.com/archives/1996/b3466083.arc.htm

Two instances is a trend, but three is a pattern. All of these contaminations were carried out with prior knowledge and were therefore malicious acts.

Still, the WHO selected Baxter to create the H1N1 vaccine just two months after live avian flu was found in vaccines intended for human use. As well, it has been revealed that due to the fact it was made in a Biohazard safety level 3 facility, these two substances, a live deadly virus and a flu vaccine, could never come into contact accidentally.
which also shows the incident was anything but small.

Baxter was the comapany who got the patent for H1N1 a year before the outbreak, and they are responsible for producing it. This is the one the current companies have based their production on. They also sell it along with the 5 other companies you mentioned, and I only wonder why they were not included in the list when it's listed just about everywhere else.

http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2009/07/17/baxter-scientists-who-patented-baxters-h1n1-swine-flu-vaccine-in-august-2008-have-shares-in-baxter-and-stand-to-profit-directly-from-recommending-baxter-h1n1-flu-jab-to-who/
Baxter, the vaccine company found to have contaminated 72 kilos of vaccine material with live bird flu virus supplied by WHO in Austria in February 2009, so nearly triggering a pandemic, has announced an increase of 7.9 per cent in second quarter profits and is looking forward to a boost in earnings from the H1N1 flu jab, which has been mandated by WHO in response to the “swine flu” pandemic, reports WSJ and CLG.
It was Baxter executives, along with their counterparts in Novartis, GSK and Sanofi, who participated in the vaccine advisory group meeting of WHO on July 7th that recommended H1N1 vaccines for the world’s population.
These H1N1 vaccines were developed by Baxter scientists based in Austria who also have shares in Baxter, and so stand to make a direct profit from the demand created by WHO’s instructions to governments to vaccinate all their populations against the H1N1.



http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14430
Baxter can take no more H1N1 flu vaccine orders 16 Jul 2009 While at least 50 governments have placed orders or are negotiating with drug companies for supplies of flu vaccine against the [their] fast spreading H1N1 strain, the lone U.S.-based maker has already taken on as much as it can handle. Baxter International Inc said on Thursday it has taken orders from five countries, including Britain, Ireland and New Zealand, for a total of 80 million doses of H1N1 vaccine and will not take any more.


I'm glad to see you're looking into both sides before you decide what to do as I have done. Personally I wouldn't believe everything the government says when there is money to be made.
 Twister239

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Posted: 8/1/2009 3:53:25 PM
Well here we go...
Greece is the first county to do forced vacinnes

from Reuters


"We decided that the entire population, all citizens and residents, without any exception, will be vaccinated against the flu," Health Minister Dimitris Avramopoulos said after a ministerial meeting.

http://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-SwineFlu/idUSTRE56U3VV20090731

wonder what happens to those that say NO ?
 paliminolady

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Posted: 8/2/2009 2:02:13 AM
I do believe they will try t0 force us to get the H1N1 vaccination, our chilren will be sent home from school if we refuse it to be given to them .If this flu is no more of a threat to us than the common cold, then why is there so much hype about getting the vaccination,I too wonder if this is to be a form of population control, I'm fearfull enough about the possibilty that I won't allow my children to get the vaccine nor will I!!!
 desertrhino

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Posted: 8/2/2009 2:18:55 AM
I do believe they will try t0 force us to get the H1N1 vaccination, our chilren will be sent home from school if we refuse it to be given to them .If this flu is no more of a threat to us than the common cold, then why is there so much hype about getting the vaccination,I too wonder if this is to be a form of population control, I'm fearfull enough about the possibilty that I won't allow my children to get the vaccine nor will I!!!


And there we have the true cost of these paranoid conspiracy theories. Our children will not be protected when protection is available, because one of the paranoid delusions being spread as truth is that this is some sort of magic sterility drug. Sigh. I'm glad you all are willing to pay that price with your kids. Unfortunately, those who are refusing immunizations are exposing the rest of our kids to more disease risk.

Read this and educate yourself: http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=516

srsly.

Just a little snippet to whet your appetite for knowledge:


Good thing that doesn’t describe anyone in this country. Who would be nuts enough to think that we give too may vaccines too soon? Certainly no MD. That’s a path down which lies huge epidemics with horrific morbidity and mortality.

The old USSR went from 3,000 diphtheria cases to 50,000 cases in 5 years as vaccination rates fell from almost universal coverage to 69% (7). Diphtheria was not controlled until vaccination rates were pushed back into the low 90’s using the old schedule.
 Scints

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Posted: 8/2/2009 2:53:36 AM

I'm glad you all are willing to pay that price with your kids.

I'm afraid it works both ways here. Are you willing to use your kids as guinea pigs when the risks of dying from swine flu are small?
Remember it has not been tested on humans, and if you look back at the 60 minutes link you can see how bad the last swine flu vaccination affected people.

If you believe that the vaccine will protect your children then why are you worried about exposing your kids to more disease risk if we don't take the vaccine?

And I read your article. It does not say anywhere that the vaccine will save us from Swine flu. Because it cannot. Even if it worked in the short term, flu viruses mutate.

It is a money making programme, not necessary and is a bigger risk than the Virus.
 Earthpuppy

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Posted: 8/2/2009 6:49:28 AM
The flu vaccine industry relies on "educated" guesses as to which strains are to be incorporated into the vaccines to combat this year's flu mutation. They are often wrong. My father got sicker from a vaccine than he ever did from a flu virus, fearing for his life from the side effects.

Over 90% of flu vaccines contain mercury at dangerous levels. According to a researcher in Wisconsin, "A common myth is that Thimerosal is added to vaccines in 'trace' amounts," said Mike Wagnitz, who has over 20 years experience evaluating materials for mercury and is employed as a senior chemist with the University of Wisconsin. "The concentration of mercury in a multi-dose flu vaccine vial is 50,000 parts per billion. To put this in perspective, drinking water cannot exceed 2 parts per billion of mercury, and waste is considered hazardous if it has only 200 parts per billion. Is it really safe then to inject pregnant women, newborns, and infants with levels of mercury 250 times higher than what is legally classified as hazardous waste?"

These toxic vaccines have been implicated in a number of health threats from autoimminue and neurological disorders, to autism in children, and alzeimers in adults. Washing your hands frequently is the best preventative.
 Twister239

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Posted: 8/2/2009 7:18:44 AM

And there we have the true cost of these paranoid conspiracy theories


And here we have an example of someone who believes
anything he doesnt believe is a hoax and a CT...sigh
no worries Rhino....I am sure the goverment
would consult you first before doing anything.

Lets face it...swine flu vacinnes are being prepared
for mass injection of infants , teens and adults
and its hasnt even been fully tested yet.
There is absolutely no safety data
on the use of adjuvants in infants and expectant mothers
the two groups being most aggressively targeted by the swine flu vaccine pushers.
The disturbing conclusion is that the swine flu vaccine
could be a modern medical disaster. It's untested and un-tried.
its ingredients are potentially quite dangerous, and the adjuvants being used
in the European vaccines are suspected of causing neurological disorders.

So what are YOU going to do when the goverment
makes the same claim that ALL citizens will given the vaccine
just like what was announced in Greece on friday
or how would you feel if when your child comes home from school
and said the doctors were there and gave everyone a needle ?
they dont need your permission......because its LAW
 Scints

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Posted: 8/2/2009 10:50:35 AM
earthpuppy, it was confirmed a couple of days ago that H1N1 does contain thimerosal.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/washington-post-swine-flu-vaccine-will-contain-mercury.html

And if anything were to go wrong as a result, there's sod all that can be done about it.

“Vaccine makers and federal officials will be immune from lawsuits that result from any new swine flu vaccine, under a document signed by Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius,” reported the Associated Press earlier this month.
 Soo Sussy

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Posted: 8/4/2009 2:52:09 AM
Its being forced in Greece and possibly here come October. You can bet I wont be signing up for that poison. How can anyone logicly think this is a good thing given the lack of testing and so forth?

If you put your faith in the government and these politicians and honestly think they have your best interests in mind you need to get your head out of the clouds.

I just read to today they are thinking of putting RFID chips in airline workers. Dont think you could be next?
 Page 2u

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Posted: 8/4/2009 7:33:20 AM
Had it, been there, done that—about a quarter of the neighborhood and friends had a flu this summer. No one went to the hospital no one died—was it N1H1—can’t see why not.
It’s a 6 on the scale of pandemic – but that just means a lot of people are going to get it.
 Twister239

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Posted: 8/4/2009 2:57:18 PM
but that just means a lot of people are going to get it.


It seems the WHO is sticking to its numbers
of an estimated 2 billion people expected to get sick with this flu.

http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNews/idUSTRE5734VG20090804

Then unrealated to this but still ....
China has 10,000 people in a small town
sealed off due to the pneumonic plague
they are trying to stop the spread of that as well.

http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNews/idUSTRE57208V20090803
 Earthpuppy

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Posted: 8/4/2009 5:10:30 PM
While a lot of people are getting ill, this strain seems to be relatively non-lethal for now, but for the most susceptible.

The outcry over mercury tainted shots has led to the supply of non-mercury vaccines for an extra mere $2.50 a dose fee.

For those who have a family history of adverse effects from flu vaccines, the regimen of hand washing, not rubbing eyes and noses, staying home from work when infected far longer than you feel you should, and healthy eating are the best defense.

In the "famous last words" department, I submit that allowing ourselves to go through these outbreaks, allowing our immune systems to adapt and adjust, is a far greater benefit to the overall health of the herd than submitting to modern "science" in fighting off these viruses. Most flu vaccines are mere guesswork, and pumped full of toxic substances.

As a colleague once noted about applying toxic herbicides to the local river to control exotic invasive plants.."Telling me that I need to poison my water to control man-made problems, is like telling me I only have a headache because I have an aspirin deficiency."

I've had strains from hell, felt better, dove back into work, only to suffer from the next wave, the "deja-flu" as I called it, and survived thus far, knock on wood and head..and wooden head. People raised in the dirt and around animals, have a history of being more resilient than those raised in sterilized environs...again..knock on wood.

The super-vaccination of our troops in the oils wars has possibly led to, or contributed to, the "Gulf War Syndrome". Till we know more, much like the Agent Orange travesty of decades past, I have a difficult time trusting the Industrial Flu Complex.
 Mojo4Free

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Posted: 8/5/2009 9:00:05 AM
I can't believe the level of education in North America. Do you people know why life expectancy is no longer 35yrs? lol.

As for population 'culling', that's the exact opposite of what governments want. Sure, if we had a world government, the occasional population pruning would be a good thing. But the economies of individual countries can only grow if they have a positive population growth. Do you think we have immigration just because we're nice people and feel sorry for those who need or want a healthier place to live? Why do you think significant Emigration is a bad thing for a country to have?

If the countries of earth cooperated on everything for the good of the planet, then you'd have a reason to be suspicious.

My ex didn't want my kids to get ANY shots. But I took them anyway. When Measles and Chicken Pox ran wild in their school, my kids didn't suffer. Same thing for the flu. And it'll be the same thing for the swine flu, of which Britain has just reported over 50,000 cases in a week btw.

But if you don't get the shot, I don't care. I'll just increase my chances of getting a fatter paycheque because they'll need me more. lol.
 Scints

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Posted: 8/5/2009 10:48:55 AM
Mojo4free, I didn't really see the relevance to immigration, but if you're looking for evidence that nations meet to discuss world issues don't forget the Bilderberg group.

That aside, my concern is to do with the vaccine being untested, and looking back at previously untested vaccines, it is evident that the side-effects of such vaccines were worse than what they were supposed to be protecting people from.

I'm not sure about the culling, I wouldn't count it out, but IMO it is a money-making exercise.

There are more doctors, nurses, politicians, experts in the vaccine and micro-biology field coming forward to say they don't agree with it.

As long as we have a choice I will be happy.
 Twister239

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Posted: 8/5/2009 11:58:53 AM
Well the 21 homeless people that died in Grudziadz Poland
when given the vaccine during a 'test' of the vacinne for H1N1
would probably change thier minds and not take it
....if they had the chance again that is.
 Twilightslove

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Posted: 8/5/2009 2:01:55 PM
Homeless people die after bird flu vaccine trial in Poland
By Matthew Day in Warsaw
Last updated: 11:17 PM BST 02/07/2008

Three Polish doctors and six nurses are facing criminal prosecution after a number of homeless people died following medical trials for a vaccine to the H5N1 bird-flu virus.

http://www.whale.to/vaccine/bird56.html


I have never understood why people agree to medical trials especially vaccine trials.
 Soo Sussy

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Posted: 8/5/2009 4:23:06 PM
You couldnt pick an easier target than homeless people. Even moreso if they are drugs addicted. Those are the easiest ones to manipulate since they only care about drugs or money to buy drugs.
 nicol3y

Joined: 6/16/2009
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Posted: 8/5/2009 9:19:26 PM

How is it that people are only worried about whatever the #1 news story on CNN/Yahoo is?
It is interesting how every year, the regular (not swine) flu kills 30,000 people. The media doesn't focus on any of those deaths.
 heterotic

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Posted: 8/5/2009 9:51:40 PM


It is interesting how every year, the regular (not swine) flu kills 30,000 people. The media doesn't focus on any of those deaths.


Good point!

Rabies kills like 50,000 people a year! Where's the focus on that?
 Cyke

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Swine flu the biggest threat EVER
Posted: 8/5/2009 9:59:55 PM
Simple, the media only focuses on things that are likely to whip up panic and therefore whip up their ratings. Can't really blame them I suppose, they're just trying to earn a living and the moronic public falls for it every time. A fool and his money are soon parted...there's a sucker born every minute etc. I'm just annoyed that I have yet to come up with a scheme by which to separate those fools from their money. Somebody has to do it, might just as well be me. Maybe I'll invent a new religion...that always seems to work well.
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