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Posted: 9/6/2009 6:10:31 AM | "Squalene is produced in the liver and is distributed through the bloodstream, and is used by our bodies in the creation of cholesterol, steroids, and vitamin D. That the author of this letter is unaware of this basic fact (I learned this in my first physiology course), sort of sheds doubt on the credibility of their medical advice.
Also, the adjunct in the Anthrax vaccine was aluminum hydroxide.....not squalene."
Squalene was in the anthrax vaccinations.
http://www.chiroweb.com/mpacms/dc/article.php?id=31995
And most likely in the new flu conconctions. Big money is involved and people are being played. I would much rather take my chances on the flu than the "cure". | |
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Posted: 9/6/2009 7:38:21 AM | Now that north america is about to start to have to deal with this pandemic
I see that bill 2028 has been passed in senate and awaiting approval
this crap is even more scary then the flu itself
It deals with an act relitive to pandemic and disaster preparations
It strips people of their human rights .
http://www.mass.gov/legis/bills/senate/186/st02/st02028.htm | |
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Posted: 9/6/2009 8:05:06 AM |
Squalene was in the anthrax vaccinations
True, although I said that it wasn't the adjunct, not that it wasn't present in trace amounts.
"We don't know whether those lots were administered to the troops," Bacon continued, "but the important thing is that it was not added. If it's in there, it's in there as a naturally occurring substance ... but it's not something that's been added to the vaccine that we give our troops." (from your link)
The amount of squalene discovered, was about the amount that would enter your blood stream if you got a small cut and a little of your own skin oil leaked into your body. While i'm not disputing that there is a small possibility that squalene could be the culprit, were that the case, this particular auto-immune disease would be much more common in the general population. Basically, if something in the vaccines is causing the disease......it's probably not the squalene.
If you feel that you shouldn't take the vaccine, i'm not trying to convince you that you should. I'm just trying to help you, and others, demonstrate the same skepticism of 'Pamela' ,and other hucksters of alternative medicine, that you are showing towards the vaccine. | |
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Posted: 9/6/2009 8:13:22 AM |
"Squalene is produced in the liver and is distributed through the bloodstream, and is used by our bodies in the creation of cholesterol, steroids, and vitamin D. That the author of this letter is unaware of this basic fact (I learned this in my first physiology course), sort of sheds doubt on the credibility of their medical advice.
Also, the adjunct in the Anthrax vaccine was aluminum hydroxide.....not squalene." Squalene was in the anthrax vaccinations. http://www.chiroweb.com/mpacms/dc/article.php?id=31995 And most likely in the new flu conconctions. Big money is involved and people are being played. I would much rather take my chances on the flu than the "cure".
You should read this:
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=851
As the author of this article points out, much MORE money is to be made by just treating hospitalized flu victims (among many, many other quite valid and RATIONAL (read: not emotional scare tactic) arguments and explanations). Also, I note you didn't bother to address settleforthis' comments about the ubiquitous distribution of squalene in the human body. Just saying, is all. | |
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Posted: 9/6/2009 9:29:20 AM | Using adjuvants like squalene, "turbo-charge" the bodies immune response, bypassing it's natural immune response. It's still experimental to do such things to the body and the long term consequences are still being determined. Yes, our bodies do produce squalene as part of the natural immune response, but unnaturally turbo-charging that immune response in certain segments of our population is a gamble on their health.
Of the Veterans suffering from GWS, one common denominator was the exposure to the anthrax vaccine. GWS was just as prevalent in the non-deployed as those who served in-country. I know a couple of people suffering from GWS and they are suffering. I see others at the VA clinic.
I prefer the precautionary principle since my father was made deathly ill by the one and only flu vaccine he received.
Beyond the squalene question, there are the other additives; the mercury, aluminum, ethylene glycol, formaldehyde, phenol, other antibiotics along with the killed or live viruses that have been attenuated.
After being lied to about Agent Orange, DU, the anthrax vaccines, and hundreds of other formerly "safe" products, I will remain skeptical and err on the side of safety. | |
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Posted: 9/6/2009 12:07:32 PM | | There are two confirmed cases of swine flu in my office. One on one of my teams. I did get the beginnings of a cold, with scratchy throat and a lot of sneezing one afternoon. When I got home I dropped half a pipette of oil of oregano (a potent antimicrobial) down my throat and again in each nostril. Killed it instantly although it was most unpleasant - but not as unpleasant as a cold or flu. | |
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Posted: 9/6/2009 6:28:59 PM | | I definitely wouldn't be first in line to get any vaccine of it personally, but at the same time they say that for average non-immuno-compromised people getting this really isn't all THAT much worse than regular flu. Sure you'll feel really lousy for awhile, but they say Tamiflu for instance really helps, or else just rest & time. I mean it's not like being found HIV-positive or something. | |
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Posted: 9/6/2009 10:01:38 PM | Vaccines are bits of weakened genetic material introduced to our bodies to help out immune systems deal with a real functioning virus. This is one small step from actually being infected and has been proven to save countless lives from an infection. The additives used are in small amounts that are easily absorbed by our bodies.
For instance, most of us have an enzyme made to contend with mercury which naturally exists in our environment. It will absorb it and transport it safely out of our body. These vaccines are the closest thing to letting our bodies immune system deal with the foreign contaminants that we have available.
Using false reports to explain a fear of needles is a poor justification to not get immunized. If you want to use anecdotal stories such as
I prefer the precautionary principle since my father was made deathly ill by the one and only flu vaccine he received.
I will say I have received 30 vaccine injections and maybe one made me slightly ill and have not had a major episode in 20 years. So I will promote immunization to limit the spread of disease.
If everything man made is truly bad- please- get rid of your car and don't harp on something that has been proven to save thousands of lives. | |
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Posted: 9/7/2009 4:12:51 AM | We're not talking about the efficacy of vaccinations generally. We're talking about a rushed, untried vaccine the ingredients of which are known to be tied to neurological damage. This coming from the government that gave you the Iraq war. The government gave you thalidamide. The last flu jab that came out in the 70's caused more damage than it fixed. Big pharma demanded and got federal tort immunity in exchange for getting a quickie vaccine out there that STILL hasn't been used in human clinical trials as far as I know.
So if you're dead from the neck down (or worse) as a side effect, whether safe from the flu or not would be kind of irrelevant wouldn't it? Either way, you wouldn't be able to make them pay for it. The government lied to the public about the health hazards around ground zero. Firemen with destroyed lungs aren't too happy about being lied to...again. Soldiers were probably never told of the consequences of using DU. Their deformed babies are a tribute to yet more government lies. You want the jab because you believe? Good luck. Do I trust my government? In my dreams. | |
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Posted: 9/7/2009 7:57:16 AM | The profits are pouring in, safety guidelines are being "streamlined", the panic has been manufactured and promoted at the highest levels, and legal protections are in place for the profiteers.
http://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-SwineFlu/idUSTRE56M44W20090723
One of the many disturding aspects...introducing insect cells into vaccines?
"The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has been more conservative, but she said the pandemic could speed adoption of adjuvants and new cell-based vaccine technologies, like one used by Baxter, which has not yet won FDA approval.
Protein Sciences Corp and Novavax Inc make vaccines using insect cells, a faster method than the conventional chicken egg technology."
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"CHICAGO (Reuters) - The effects of swine flu are already showing up in higher profits for makers of vaccines and antiviral drugs as the first pandemic of the 21st century makes its way onto corporate bottom lines.
Vaccine and flu drug orders lifted drugmaker GlaxoSmithKline to a better-than expected quarterly profit, the company said on Wednesday. Sales of the antiviral drug Relenza jumped nearly 2,000 percent compared to a year ago as governments stocked up to fight the pandemic. Glaxo predicts flu vaccine sales will spur second-half strength.
Gilead Sciences Inc said on Tuesday second quarter royalty and contract revenue rose 29 percent to nearly $79 million, a figure that largely reflects royalty revenue from Roche Holding AG's sales of the Tamiflu flu drug.
Roche said on Thursday Tamiflu sales rose 200 percent in the first half of the year and that it will expand capacity for the drug by the start of 2010.
Analysts say this may only be the beginning of the swine flu windfall, which could bring drugmakers billions. Here's how the pandemic will affect companies in the coming months.
BIGGER PROFITS FOR MAKERS OF VACCINES, ANTIVIRALS
The most obvious implications of the swine flu pandemic are growing orders for new H1N1 vaccines and antiviral drugs.
"They will have an increasing number of governments asking them to provide antivirals to manage this pandemic," Hedwig Kresse, an infectious diseases analyst at Datamonitor in London, said in a telephone interview.
At least 50 governments have placed orders or are negotiating with drug companies for doses of the vaccine to fight the fast-spreading new strain of H1N1 influenza. The United States has set aside more than $1 billion for vaccine.
Baxter International Inc said last week it has taken orders from five countries for 80 million doses, and can take no more. "I think at some point capacity will become an issue," Kresse said." | |
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Posted: 9/8/2009 10:31:49 AM | Well here we are the first day of school for millions of kids.
I really dont see the schools remaining open once flu season arrives
In fact I think they should have postponed school a few months
to see exactly what it is they are dealing with here first.
It appears little is still being said about any preparedness plans
no more information out there about this then there was 6 months ago.
Then again ..its kinda hard to have a public health crises
if everyone is prepared , protected and know what to do.
slow movement on getting the vaccine out and creating fear in regards to it
is a good way to create a public emergency and impliment such acts as Bill 2028
I dont think all this hype, misinformation and stumbling
to produce a safe vaccine is by accident. | |
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Posted: 9/8/2009 5:29:28 PM | Really odd. We cannot trust Obama, nor Dems/Libruls/ Commies in general, public health care options, etc,. but are required to lay our full trust and faith in corporations that profit from paranoia, untried snake oil, and big Gov'ment agencies assigned to do Commie protection on us little folks.
Mass panic, mass production, massive profit, rapid deployment without testing over the long term, and the double standard bearers refuse to question these actions after accepting the lies of the last decade...hmmm....Goofus and Gallant are in full working mode.
http://www.salon.com/comics/tomo/2009/09/08/tomo/index.html | |
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Posted: 9/9/2009 7:49:46 PM | If I were a school kid these days I'd have been loving this. I mean, school closings and all.
Don't get me wrong, I was a good student with good grades, but i still hated being there many days. The idea of summer school doesn't exactly swirl about in a 10 year old's head. | |
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Posted: 9/12/2009 10:51:55 AM | For those unsure about this whole topic, you have amongst a myriad of investigators, researchers and presenters Jane Burgermeister as a resource. She can validate concerns one might have.
her website- theflucase.com
her being interviewed on video- www.davidicke.com/content/blogcategory/30/82/
...Towards the light... | |
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Posted: 9/12/2009 11:02:23 AM |
How is it that people are only worried about whatever the #1 news story on CNN/Yahoo is?
It's a self-sustaining feedback system. The news media these days monitors internet usage (such as Google searches) and biases their stories towards those interests. Media interest then directs even more people to the most popular topics.
Democracy in action - you get the news you want to hear, not the news you NEED to hear. | |
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Posted: 9/12/2009 11:31:38 AM | Not sure who here is knowledgeable enuf to speak to my question but if you are can you share ?
How can this flu/vaccine/mandatory inocculation business be what it is said to be?
1) Vaccines still take 6 months to be manufactured. 2) A vaccine is for one and only one strain. Not for a bunch of possible strains that might come up.
This is not my opinion, not belief pattern. 1) and 2) was said to me by a doctor who has been involved successfully in turning the tide in patients lives. For example one patient went public with him with the fact her cancer had been wiped out completely without chemo but by applying their work together. He is a friend. I consider him trustworthy.
If 1 and 2 are a fact:
How can months ahead without a strain having reared its ugly head there already be a vaccine making the news??
Something I'm not aware of?
Any knowledgeable individuals able to enlighten me on this? | |
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Posted: 9/12/2009 12:36:48 PM | Million: I went to the Web site you cited and found what you're up to/concerned about. This is an excerpt from it:
'There is evidence that an international corporate criminal syndicate, which has annexed high government office at Federal and State level, is intent on carrying out a mass genocide against the people of the United States by using an artificial (genetic) flu pandemic virus and forced vaccine program to cause mass death and injury and depopulate America in order to transfer control of the United States to the United Nations and affiliated security forces (UN troops from countries such as China, Canada, the UK and Mexico).
While I realize vaccines can draw concerns from people (especially when testing time is shorter than normal), there's a big jump to the idea that a genocide plot exists.
So, are you really looking for answers to your questions or do you feel like you already have the answer? | |
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Posted: 9/14/2009 10:23:53 AM | novascotialass^^,
Plainly yes I'm looking to read someone's answer to my question should someone be in the know.
Do I feel I already have the answer? In spite of my query whether I have one or not is besides the point. But to honor your 2 nd question no I don't feel I already have an answer.
Referring to the quote you posted from Jane Burgermeister's site I'm aware of that school of thought. Certainly is food for thought I must add. What could she, and so many other researchers and presenters who have put forth that info, be on about regarding that school of thought? lol (rhetorical question). | |
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Posted: 9/15/2009 7:31:52 PM | My Grandfather and His Father, both died from the pandemic flu virus that hit during and after,the first world war.
I hope the vaccine gets out there before the swine flu hits hard this winter. | |
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Posted: 9/24/2009 4:32:26 PM | Here's an interesting article on the potential effect of the regular flu shot on swine flu
http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2009/09/23/flu-shots-h1n1-seasonal.html
It says that it's possible that having received regular flu shots will put you at higher risk of getting swine flu. The research is preliminary and has not yet been peer reviewed so it might be a mere coincidence, but it's enough of one to get the attention of some politicians about administering the regular flu shot. What I find interesting about this is that we've been told for years that there are no chances that a flu shot will increase your chances of getting sick, yet look what was said in this article:
Researchers know that, theoretically, when people are exposed to bacteria or a virus, it can stimulate the immune system to create antibodies that facilitate the entry of another strain of the virus or disease. Dengue fever is one example, Low said.
I took the flu shot once and was incredibly ill that year, so I never got it again...this recent news is not encouraging me, but I'll keep my on it to see whether it is, in fact, a valid claim | |
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Posted: 9/24/2009 5:15:43 PM | Another interesting article, this time in a peer-reviewed journal, but not about Swine flu, but about the efficacy of the regular flu shot
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6TD4-4JN2J2P-1&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1023430245&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=61d8c550b5710de2c6ec6d2d7a1b2984
Here in Ontario our government has been offering free flu shots. Researchers did a 4-year study to see whether it had any effect on the incidence of flu in the general population. It did not. | |
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