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Posted: 9/24/2009 10:52:31 PM | Wyan^^^^,
Thanks for bringing info to me and us here about this loaded gun.
I'll pitch in;
http://www.davidicke.com/content/blogcategory/30/82/ > If you don't already know this guy have the joy of getting to know what his 20 year research says
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/09/24/VERY-Important-Vaccine-Question.aspx > Open minded and well researched as well
http://www.fluscam.com/HOME.html > Dr. Len Horowitz been on the trail for a long time
http://www.prisonplanet.com/section/featured-stories > Alex Jones, gruff and harsh site but hugely informative
http://www.infowars.com/ > same speaker as above
http://www.projectcamelot.org/ > tons of resources just on this main page alone
These individuals' intentions are to inform us people of the world so that if we chose we can see what's going on from a lesser reported vantage point. The rest is up to us or is that needless to say. They are promoting freedom, dis-entanglement from servitude and behind-the-scene secrecy, enslavement, corruption. As well as the path of solution in the case of Icke and camelot that I heard from their own words/writings.
BTW upon visiting the local "health board" I was met with the expected rosy song and dance that taking the vaccine is like tiptoeing through the tulips. Upon my request the rep will call me back with the board's perspective on the Jane Burgermeister's website.
..........The rest is up to us. Enjoy! The rest is up to us.......The rest.... | |
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Posted: 9/25/2009 4:48:15 PM | some perspective: so far in my life, I have survived-
the fuel embargo of the seventies
banking crisis in the 80's
the cold war
possibility we in USA would be nuke bombed by Russia or Iran
the 'harmonic convergence'
the meteor that was supposed to hit earth and wipe us all out
the S and L scandal
the bird flu
and all the doomsday prophets on the streetcorner
despite my success at survival, I AM paying attention however to what the CDC and NIH and FDA, FEMA and NSA and media WANT us to believe (no sheeple here!) and WHY it's so important to them to influence my mind and also following the money-always a good place to start! | |
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Posted: 9/25/2009 4:53:50 PM | | Miilion year: I have read or watched all of your links as well-we are onto the same informed trail. I concur and recommend all of them-have posted some myself too. Sometimes I do wish tho that good old Alex was a bit more NPR and less Geraldo Rivera in his reporting manner, bc what he has to say is so important and I wouldn't want anyone to discount him for his style! | |
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Posted: 9/25/2009 6:00:48 PM | I'm surprised these links being provided are not getting comments from our regular science forum posters. You conspiracy buffs are taking over and conversation is being halted as a result. At least try to find some peer-reviewed material or at a minimum, info from a reputable news source.
I mean, really, no one is trying to cull the world population...and, believe me, there is NO Canadian conspiracy to get rid of the Americans so that we and the rest of the UN can take you over.
I must say, I am getting a little tired of those of you who post links and then make inferences to being on the enlightened trail.
Swine flu, it's possibility for mutation, and whether to get a flu shot are rather serious topics for discussion; it would be nice to actually discuss it, though, rather than reading the doctrines being posted here. | |
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Posted: 9/27/2009 11:26:57 AM | Ummm....
These individuals' intentions are to inform us people of the world so that if we chose we can see what's going on from a lesser reported vantage point.
Actually, I checked out a few of those links and, you know what I found? Storefronts. Hmmm...
There are several almost sure-fire ways to make money in this society...
Appeal to greed.
Appeal to vanity.
Appeal to fear.
Ah, PT Barnum would be so proud of them. | |
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Posted: 9/28/2009 7:23:00 PM | Hi Nova ScotiaLass, I know you have been keeping up on the swine flu thread in the science/philosophy category as well, and have surely been privy to links posted there in major newspapers, as well as a couple fabulously incontrovertible links posted by earthpuppy from objective MD's who had nothing offered for sale on their sites. In fact, if you remember, one of the links against the efficacy of the vaccine was an in depth medical treatise by a Dr. who is a consultant to drug companies themselves-hard to get much better than that for objectivity. So there you will find what you arwe looking for  | |
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Posted: 9/28/2009 7:50:20 PM |
I have survived-
the fuel embargo of the seventies
banking crisis in the 80's
the cold war
possibility we in USA would be nuke bombed by Russia or Iran
the 'harmonic convergence'
the meteor that was supposed to hit earth and wipe us all out
the S and L scandal
the bird flu
and all the doomsday prophets on the streetcorner
Let's not forget acid rain, Y2K, GWB, Limbaugh, Ann Coulter and Glen Beck. If we can survive that, we'll get past the swine flu as well.  | |
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| Swine flu the biggest threat EVER.....to what though?? Find out!
Posted: 10/5/2009 1:38:44 PM | Direlight,
Famine , contaminated drinking water etc... I wouldn't discount the enormity of a contribution there.
To add to your comment re; the foremost killers on earth my observation at this point in my life which may change entirely or simply get honed in time is that belief is definitely up the ladder of cause of death. Direct and indirect.
Living life moment to moment (which is all there is to live really just one moment then another then another one...), belief by belief, a moment dealt with by the use of beliefs, then another moment dealt with by the use of beliefs and on and on. If we were to not use beliefs in those moments but rather just be and let the light, love, endless supply of everything, endless generosity that uses our em-BODY-ment for us we would not bring about the status quo of what is our collective experience today.
Wow did I just write that? ha It's unfathomable and scary to think, well how would I live then, how would I experience myself without all these accoutrements that I think are the only way it is.
So far that's where I'm at. Its kinda neat finding spurts of detachment from old ways that bind me to this almighty construct that pain and suffering need to exist. I recognize that's the current status quo but the fact that I'm exercising some freewill means I can change that status quo to one that serves me and those around me for a higher humanity-wide greatness, for want of a word.
So kudos to you Direlight for prompting me to verbalize this stuff and also to you nsLass for causing me to step back upon reading your response to my post which I've read and extend a thank you for. | |
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Posted: 10/7/2009 8:04:02 PM | Washington state reversing their own policy on Mercury Thimerosal for Swine flu vax
here is the government website: www.doh.wa.gov/Publicat/2009_news/09-154.htm
and I quote from above gov't website: (italics mine):
"As a PRECAUTION, Washington state law limits the amount of MERCURY that can be in vaccines for PREGNANT WOMEN AND CHILDREN UNDER 3. The Secretary of Health can SUSPEND THE LAW when there is a shortage of vaccine"
So, mercury, which has known to be dangerous since the 1930's is now ALLOWABLE
for the purpose of selling more vaccines-
Note that the H1N1 vax will NOT be covered under the National vaccine injury compensation program. If you or your kids are injured, you are on your own | |
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Posted: 10/7/2009 8:33:36 PM | for all those of you who think vaccines are sacrosanct and entirely safe, read this article interviewing a doctor who worked for drug co's designing the vaccine-moral of the story? Don't believe the hype about how/why we all need ANY vacine!
www.express.co.uk/posts/view/131817/Jab-as-deadly-as-the-cancer-#
Thank you Dr Diane for trying to save lives with the truth! | |
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Posted: 10/7/2009 9:05:37 PM | | isdime, by calling me "a complete joke" you have just labeled yourself. I personally know 4 people who were SEVERELY injured by vaccines, and that is DEFINITELY, NO LAUGHING MATTER, neither is the fact that the CDC now says that one out of every 91 kids is autistic (was previously 1/150)Of the people I know, one now has myaesthenia gravis, 2 have MS, and one has autism. All from recieving a vaccine. If you weren't so called to hide from the truth, you might venture to read Gary Matsumoto's book, Vaccine A, on the anthrax vaccine causing gulf war syndrome, due partly to Squalene, which will also be in the Swine flu vaccine as an adjuvant | |
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Posted: 10/7/2009 10:22:53 PM | | The h1n1 vaccine is a ripoff! Glaxxo Smith Kline is making a fortune off it, so we know what the motivation behind it is. The best way to ward off flu (any flu) is probably large doses of vitamin D3. Leastways, that's what seems to work for me. I've never gotten a flu shot and have no intention of getting this one. | |
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Posted: 10/7/2009 11:22:47 PM | | Then why did the government pay those vaccine injured victims (the parents for one of them) through the Nat'l Vaccine injury compensation program? Why is there a database called VAERS replete with thousands of serious vaccine injuries and death? Do you not know the work of any of the docs on the cutting edge of researching this issue of vaccines? If you say that you do, Whose work have you read? Do you also not know that in accepting payouts injured accept both a gag order as well as agree to not go after the drug companies? | |
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Posted: 10/7/2009 11:41:40 PM | | I would check out articles by Bonnie Dunbar, Byron Hyde, Mark Geier, those who have had the fortitude to investigate-check why France found a significant enough correlation w/ MS to reduce engerix B. Check the Danish study of over 500,000 kids ON VACCINES/INCIDENCE OF AUTISM. Or, if you don't care, do nothing-keep vaccinating your patients ignore Natalie's death reported yesterday in England 2 HOURS after recieving gardasil. Maybe knowing the truth would conflict with your stock portfolio in pharma stocks? I feel for ya, I know you being in NY would LOSE your job for refusing the vax, and you have to find a way to make peace with that glaring fact. I feel for all the Dr's and the enormous pressure you are under by drug co's to keep your mouths shut about adverse reactions, and the toxicity of adjuvants like squalene and Thimerosal. I know what lengths co's like Merck have gone to to make sure you don't question vaccines. I know what the CDC has done to avoid getting caught on Thimerosal (though they got caught). I know that the ANA and the AMA have sent most of you memos, assuring you that vaccines are safe. I know that if you even consider that they could be not telling you the truth, it would totally rock your world and all you thought you could believe in, because maybe you got involved in medicine with the intent of helping people, and how could big daddy betray you as you were doing that?. I don't expect many Docs to stand up for the truth under the circumstances, but the ones who stand up for the truth and for their patients and keep the vow to 'do no harm' have my utmost respect. | |
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Posted: 10/8/2009 12:12:43 AM | check why France found a significant enough correlation w/ MS to reduce engerix B.
Already refuted. Politicians bowed to pressure and acted WITHOUT evidence.
Check the Danish study of over 500,000 kids ON VACCINES/INCIDENCE OF AUTISM
Correlation does not equal causation. Did you know that people die every night after the sun sets? Clearly sunset is lethal. Please provide a citation which establishes a causal link.
ignore Natalie's death reported yesterday in England 2 HOURS after recieving gardasil
One death, no causal link, and millions of vaccinations. Obviously a VERY dangerous vaccine here. How many have died of *specific other causes* within the same time frame? Just because those have other causes is no reason to exclude them! The vaccine link is the same!
Maybe knowing the truth would conflict with your stock portfolio in pharma stocks? I feel for ya, I know you being in NY would LOSE your job for refusing the vax, and you have to find a way to make peace with that glaring fact. I feel for all the Dr's and the enormous pressure you are under by drug co's to keep your mouths shut about adverse reactions, and the toxicity of adjuvants like squalene and Thimerosal. I know what lengths co's like Merck have gone to to make sure you don't question vaccines. I know what the CDC has done to avoid getting caught on Thimerosal (though they got caught). I know that the ANA and the AMA have sent most of you memos, assuring you that vaccines are safe. I know that if you even consider that they could be not telling you the truth, it would totally rock your world and all you thought you could believe in, because maybe you got involved in medicine with the intent of helping people, and how could big daddy betray you as you were doing that?. I don't expect many Docs to stand up for the truth under the circumstances, but the ones who stand up for the truth and for their patients and keep the vow to 'do no harm' have my utmost respect
Wow. You realize that entire quoted passage is fallacy and conspiracy theory? Mainly argumentum ad hominem and argumentum ad metum. Where's the meat? If you're going to put so much effort into spinning webs of fallacy, it shouldn't be hard to come up with [and perhaps read and understand] some actual supporting evidence? I'm sure SOME of it actually exists, but you're doing a poor job of finding or presenting it.
Then why did the government pay those vaccine injured victims (the parents for one of them) through the Nat'l Vaccine injury compensation program?
See below. Likely a standard closure. It costs more to go through a legal process which leads to similar payout. More practical to simply pay, assume no fault or further debt, and avoid the time, stress, and expensive of legal process.
Why is there a database called VAERS replete with thousands of serious vaccine injuries and death?
Because vaccines CAN have side effects. That's not in dispute. What's questioned is the enormous and unsupported leaps such as the ones you are making. Leaps like "with thousands of serious vaccine injuries and death", which are NOT supported by the evidence. The majority of the reported side-effects; as I already cited, can not be concluded to be "serious", are certainly NOT "death", and for that matter, aren't even specifically caused by vaccines, much less by any particular vaccine component! The only criterion for reporting to VAERS is that one experience *any* symptom within a certain period of certain vaccinations! That is, it's simply the reporting of coincidences, in order to determine whether there are potential causal links to look into.
Do you not know the work of any of the docs on the cutting edge of researching this issue of vaccines? If you say that you do, Whose work have you read?
Unimportant. Cite ANY work which shows causal links for the claims you are making. Guilt by association and cum hoc ergo propter hoc do not count. Who cares who you know or do not know. It's not a popularity contest, it's a question of proof for the claims made.
Do you also not know that in accepting payouts injured accept both a gag order as well as agree to not go after the drug companies?
So? That's standard procedure in pretty much ANY settlement, including things as basic as "downsizing" of jobs without notice. We pay you now, you agree the issue is closed. No "fault" is assumed, it's simply a case of paying a suitable amount of money to avoid excessive time and paperwork for potentially the same amount of payout.
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Posted: 10/8/2009 10:34:05 PM | | When this swine flu bullshit came out, I wondered what the hell happened to Avian flu? That one sounded a lot worse. | |
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Posted: 10/8/2009 11:18:14 PM | | I think they marketed it as Avian Water....either that or shoe polish. I must've inherited a terrific immune system because I've never had any childhood diseases...none of them. My folks didn't believe in any shots but polio. Never had a flu shot and never had the flu. I firmly believe the mind-body thing comes in here and makes it all work. I think this swine flu thing is a created hoax. I have this image of****Cheney sitting in the center of a dimly lit 12 x 12 room with no windows grinning that special "hold still and let me punch your lights out" grin on his face. He's thinking "how can we scare the shit out of the world and make money at the same time"? One simply wonders. I'm not so gullible as to believe even a small part of the information out there because the flow, the nature, the quality of information we get is so highly filtered and directed. | |
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Posted: 10/8/2009 11:22:06 PM | ..oh, I almost forgot..
Do you know that you are a complete joke?
Given the contrast between the sincerity and thoughtfulness of Wiyan's posts, yours, in comparison simply confirm the fact that you belong (or want to) to a group of so-called "scientific" minds (and I have no clue whether you are or aren't nor do I care). It's your hostile arrogance that goes along with it that make you truly sound like a horses ass. I'll be happy to day a three day break for the one too. You're the poster boy for solipsism. Go figure. Either way, you owe the lady an apology. | |
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Posted: 10/9/2009 2:17:49 AM | I know frigg all about this flu subject medically/ technically speaking nor do I care to. I'm quite satisfied with my being & striving for the light. My forte here on earth is not being in the lab environment.
For those looking to round out their info (which promotes the highest good for humanity), some links below relative to the topic at hand.
naturalnews.com/027122_swine_flu_swine_flu_vaccine_H1N1.html [Flu tech]
naturalnews.com/027149_fever_Chi_RNA.html [ Says ' Do not kill a fever, fever kills viruses'. I've never heard that. Interesting]
NaturalNews.com/023475_health_Big_Pharma_fitness.html [video very eloquently spoken re; allopathic health vs living organically since we are organic beings ]
youtube.com/watch?v=5tM8gk8C69M [ex-head, of Mercks fine purveyors of vaccines et al speaks (died 2005) ]
Mr Bluesman I commend your classiness. Thank you. I'll be number 2 in line saying Isdime you owe Wiyan the lady an apology. Unless someone hijacked your profile you're the one that wrote in your profile's profession ''healthcare''. How very healthcare and healthy and caring...
Come on Isdime, in the words of Russell Peters, be a man.
Right now your down a notch to Isnickel. Enjoy. | |
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Posted: 10/9/2009 12:06:29 PM | I'll be number 2 in line saying Isdime you owe Wiyan the lady an apology
I disagree. Call a spade a spade. Wiyan's [in particular, though not alone] arguments have been 90%+ non-rational and non-responsible from a health care perspective. Anyone who purports to be involved in health care should make a priority of dealing addressing FACTS, not presumptions, for the overall good of those in their care.
Even if we accept that some vaccine ingredients are directly responsible for serious illness or death [and that evidence is lacking], let's look at some basic facts:
Deaths from 1918 H1N1 pandemic - ~20000000-40000000
Deaths from 1957 H2N2 pandemic - ~1000000-1500000
Deaths from 1968 H3N2 pandemic - ~750000-1000000
Deaths per year from seasonal flu - ~500000
Innoculations per year for seasonal flus - many millions
Overall effectiveness of vaccine - ~75% [varies from year to year]
ALL reported deaths or ailments reported after vaccination by VAERS ~30000/year
Percentage of VAERS reports which are "mild" - 85%-90%
Number of reported ailments CAUSED by vaccination - not reported. Less than the total.
Here's a summary: vaccination itself sickens potentially thousands. Deaths and serious illnesses are exceedingly rare, and when known to be caused by the vaccine itself, it's typically non-flu vaccines for which risks are already known [eg., polio]. However, flu vaccine alone prevents deaths and hospitalizations of MILLIONS, either directly by vaccination, or by the resulting herd immunity.
You can take your pick: be one of hundreds of thousands killed by flu, or be one of a handful to die of side-effects of vaccination. Those are your only choices, and your odds are MUCH better with vaccination. The fact that many of us play the odds does nothing to devalue the choice.
Says ' Do not kill a fever, fever kills viruses'. I've never heard that. Interesting
I knew this when I was in elementary school. It really should be better known. Presented in this manner, however, it's misleading. Fever is a natural response to infection. It's an internal mechanism to cook out the infection. That process ALSO cooks your own body. It becomes a race to do more damage to the infection than to the host. That is why high fevers MUST be treated - by the time the fever is considered "high", it is now doing more damage to you than any benefit gained against the infection. You can be a healthy corpse, or sick and alive.
naturalnews.com/
I think we went over this already. You don't think this is ACTUALLY a source which reports objectively, do you? In fact, I did go over it already. It's NOT objective. The links provided are all internal, many written by the "editor", and underwritten by the products the site sells. Go back a couple pages for a more detailed review. | |
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