| Swine flu the biggest threat EVER
Posted: 10/13/2009 8:11:36 PM | I have to admit, I'm a bit mystified. So, for years, people have been getting vaccines for measles, mumps, rubella, polio, small pox, and a plethora of other deadly diseases. Some of these diseases now no longer exists.
Along comes a new, particularly worrisome flu that develops into pandemic and now, all of a sudden, the big bad conspiracy clicks on? Are you kidding me? So who started it? The Masons? The Illuminati? the Salvation Army?
Ah...it all makes sense to me now. There is no such thing as "disease." It's all Mason Illuminati Salvationists. Everything we thought was a disease was actually those jerks in one of their sneaky, underhanded plans to take over the world.
Now that I know this, I guess it means I'll never be sick again! I'm free! I'm FREE!!! | |
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| Swine flu the biggest threat EVER
Posted: 10/13/2009 8:22:12 PM | ^The Salvation Army's Research and Development branch has been working around the clock for years ! Don't you know !? They've been developing high-lethality aerosol contagions for years and spreading their poisons through strategically positioned and benign (even inviting-looking !) distributors in malls at Christmas time.
Don't be fooled ! That's not Santa , that is an agent of a sinister cabal bent on world domination ! Next time they ask you for a donation , don't be shy...donate your fist right into their WMD-deploying , hoping-for-a-cataclysm , conspiracy-of-evil face ! And take their little ball of money too. | |
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| Swine flu the biggest threat EVER
Posted: 10/14/2009 9:01:55 AM | here's an article presenting views of Physicians and agencies both FOR and against the vaccine and their conclusions as to why they hold the positions that they do. Physicians quoted are in Europe, Canada and the US. This is a good one for this thread as there are clearly posters on 2 sides of the fence, and the article presents Docs on both sides of the issue.
www.theatlantic.com/doc/2009 | |
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Posted: 10/14/2009 3:33:11 PM | | Looked like it might be a reasonably unbiased starting point...but I got a dead link as well. It doesn't actually look like a link to anything, more like a folder of some sort or a third party abbreviated link. | |
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| Swine flu the biggest threat EVER
Posted: 10/14/2009 4:27:05 PM | Try this link instead- I found the article after a bit of pecking around.
Take a good look NS lass and Froggo
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200911/brownlee-h1n1
It basically concludes FLU vaccination isn't perfect but its not a killer and more research is required. It brings up some individuals but not any large medical bodies. It makes a case on the cost and effectiveness of flu vaccination as well.
The article is relatively new and the findings could use some peer review. I want to research some more myself. | |
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Posted: 10/14/2009 7:09:08 PM | On further review- nice piece of writing, but definitely bias. Jeanne Lenzer, the main writer alludes that the medical "establishment" is just stating the party line, the new vaccine is still unproven, talks about the limitation of Tamiflu, quotes a few contrary opinions from folks they proclaim as the foremost experts, goes on and on about the uncertainties, lack of absolute definitive studies and proclaims vaccination for flu as poor method for disease prevention.
this is the conclusion reached at the end of the article-
"All of which leaves open the question of what people should do when faced with a decision about whether to get themselves and their families vaccinated. There is little immediate danger from getting a seasonal flu shot, aside from a sore arm and mild flu-like symptoms. The safety of the swine flu vaccine remains to be seen. In the absence of better evidence, vaccines and antivirals must be viewed as only partial and uncertain defenses against the flu. And they may be mere talismans. By being afraid to do the proper studies now, we may be condemning ourselves to using treatments based on illusion and faith rather than sound science."
This is a strawman argument.The article talks at length about the weakness of Tamiflu, which is not a vaccine therefore somewhat irrelevant and generally lacks any solid evidence of its own to refute anything.
It does make on good point from a conversation of a doctor to a patient
" The tourist, on learning that he might be infected with a potentially lethal disease, looks down at his feet and confesses that he is much more worried about another illness: swine flu. Newman smiles patiently. “It would be nice if you had swine flu,” he says. “Compared to bacterial meningitis, swine flu is safe.”
The whole swine flu pandemic has created a lot of hysteria, as the OP stated. We've all gotten a little off track with the vaccine debate but it fun to "discuss" anyway. | |
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| Swine flu the biggest threat EVER
Posted: 10/15/2009 12:19:06 PM | Another bad result possibly caused by mercury poisoning. Poor woman.
http://www.wusa9.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=92345&catid=158 | |
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| Swine flu the biggest threat EVER
Posted: 10/15/2009 8:15:29 PM | As my sociologist teacher said, "I can end the swine flu! I could cure it in the matter of a couple weeks!"
...Isolate everyone for a couple weeks and it'll be gone for good!  | |
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| Swine flu the biggest threat EVER
Posted: 10/16/2009 3:15:52 PM | 43 children dead from H1N1 so far this year and we are just getting started.
Normal flu takes 50 per year..
Those are the latest numbers from cnn . | |
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| Swine flu the biggest threat EVER
Posted: 10/16/2009 4:07:42 PM |
43 children dead from H1N1 so far this year and we are just getting started.
Normal flu takes 50 per year..
Now that is laughable., try 36,000
Frm the CDC web site.
How many people die from seasonal flu each year in the United States?
The number of seasonal influenza-associated (i.e., seasonal flu-related) deaths varies from year to year because flu seasons often fluctuate in length and severity. CDC estimated that about 36,000 people died of seasonal flu-related causes each year...
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/us_flu-related_deaths.htm
Those are the latest numbers from cnn .
CNN - It's not news, its infotainment.
You are correct, the media fear tactics are just getting started. | |
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| Swine flu the biggest threat EVER
Posted: 10/16/2009 4:30:16 PM |
Now that is laughable., try 36,000
I think they were refering to the amount of child deaths ' this far' into the flu season..
not a' total amount' of people infected by the time its run its course...
please read the post again..
they were talking about the number of children that have died SO FAR.
was the # reported of 43 child deaths wrong ?...Perhaps you heard otherwise.
Is there a MSM that reports more actual facts then cnn ...please dont say fox news ..
Exactly who is it that we are to believe these days , in regards to factual reports ? | |
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| Swine flu the biggest threat EVER
Posted: 10/16/2009 4:30:16 PM |
Another bad result possibly caused by mercury poisoning. Poor woman.
Note the words "possibly" and "believe." A long way from definitive, don't you think?
I believe it's possible her illness was caused by magic fairies. About as plausible. | |
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| Swine flu the biggest threat EVER
Posted: 10/16/2009 4:44:44 PM | An average of 114,000 people are hospitalized for flu-related complications yearly, and 36,000 Americans die each year from complications of flu. (Source: CDC)
They do not die from the flu but from complications such as bacterial pneumonia and there is a vaccine for pneumonia. | |
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| Swine flu the biggest threat EVER
Posted: 10/16/2009 4:51:08 PM |
was the # reported of 43 child deaths wrong ?...Perhaps you heard otherwise.
Is there a MSM that reports more actual facts then cnn ...please dont say fox news ..
Exactly who is it that we are to believe these days , in regards to factual reports ?
Sorry did not break out the kids numbers.
As the majority of those 36,000 deaths per year are older people.
The regular flu kills between 46 and 88 children a year, according to Centers for Disease Control and Prevention data.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/10/09/health/main5374851.shtml?tag=cbsnewsLeadStoriesAreaMain;cbsnewsLeadStoriesSecondary
Most sites are now saying the numbers are closer to 86 kids already dead.
This is just what happens when you screw with mother nature.
She is just thinning the heard.
Each generations immune systems are weaker than previous as our pair bonding patterns have changed.
As now most natural body scents are masked, mother natures system of pairing couples with dissimilar immune systems goes out the window and pair bonding is left up to chance. | |
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| Swine flu the biggest threat EVER
Posted: 10/16/2009 5:56:24 PM | JBIII
That's kind of a neat hypothesis but it would be difficult to prove given all the other measures that have reduced flu deaths significantly and the year to year variation in mortality.
I have read the stuff on complementary immune systems, sense of smell and mating. Let me add a further complication. They say the women on birth control pills also have their sense of smell and mating choices impaired by the hormones in those pills because they are not ovulating. What kind of choices against nature could this lead to - probably in the long term- and how would we sort it out due to all the variables mate selection involves?
Could make for some really interesting research. This kind of speculation is more fun than the other stuff here really.
Question to the crowd- so children are dying of swine flu now- do we- rush the vaccine into circulation or hold off because it is "unproven"? That's a tough moral dilemma right there isn't it? The kind many in health care face all the time. What is the right solution? or the optimal one? | |
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| Swine flu the biggest threat EVER
Posted: 10/16/2009 6:02:42 PM | according to cnn 86 children have died , 43 of those in the US and 11 of those 43 happened this week alone. From what I understood , we normally dont have deaths this early in the flu season .
Granted the normal flu kills about 36000 a year , but those are mostly adults with other health issues. H1N1 seems to be targeting more younger victims....and these numbers are alarming to say the least. | |
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| Swine flu the biggest threat EVER
Posted: 10/16/2009 6:22:47 PM |
it's possible her illness was caused by magic fairies. About as plausible. Hardly
Tricky thing about using words like "possible" and "believe" to try and draw correlations. Anything is possible. And I can believe anything is responsible. Don't like fairies? How about demons? Or did we miss that point? Something a little more likely is a preexisting neurological condition. Funny thing. ALS doesn't hit it's victims at the same time. Shall we start blaming that on the flu shot too? | |
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| Swine flu the biggest threat EVER
Posted: 11/8/2009 6:10:29 AM |
Arguing the absurd gets you nowhere.
And just how far out of your way will you go to miss a point, I wonder? | |
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