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| Can a White person be African American?
Posted: 5/19/2009 3:07:21 PM |
In general a question like this does nothing more than attempt to create an issue where there is none. Isn't there enough angst based on race without doing that?
Generally, I completely agree. But I do think it's ridiculous that this guy got crap for stating something that was factually true. If I were him, I'd just continue to refer to myself as whatever I wanted and let everybody else deal with it. If they're okay with it, great. If not, whine about it to somebody who cares.
What if everyone was just a brain?
What would humans find to single out, classify and pre-judge then?
As impossible as it might sound, I'm sure someone will find something to gripe about...
"Oh, your lobes are small - you must be stupid."
"Wow - check out the convolutions on THAT one!"
"Is it just me or is THAT one over there a little pinker than the rest of us?"
"Fück skin color
Everybody's blue
Then what would all these bigots do?
Instead of your tone
They'd hate your size
That's why I must poke out all of their eyes"
- Violent J. of the Insane Clown Posse | |
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| Can a White person be African American?
Posted: 5/19/2009 5:29:27 PM |
If aliens had the ability and means to go anywhere in the universe they wanted, why in the heck would they choose to come here??
Monical's Pizza! | |
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| Can a White person be African American?
Posted: 5/19/2009 5:43:03 PM | "African-American" is the latest "politically correct" term to avoid using the word "Negro," which is Latin for "Black." Some dark-complexioned ethnic people whose ancestry includes the native aboriginal peoples of sub-Saharan Africa, being not actually black, but rather light-to-medium-to-dark brown, object to the use of the adjective "Black" to describe their ethnicity or race, but also object to the descriptives "colored," "Afro," or "Negro" (which AFAIK is still a clinical anthropological term).
The blackest individual I've ever met was an ethnic Greek guy who owns a pizza shop in Lexington, Kentucky. I don't think he cares what you call him as long as you pay for the pizza. | |
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| Can a White person be African American?
Posted: 5/19/2009 6:00:25 PM | My family is French by way of France, Canada, America--Louisiana, California. Irish by way of Ireland, America--Colorado and Tennessee. English by way of England, America--North Carolina.
How the Dickens do I get all that on my Cencus form or driver's license? Can you imagine the size of my birth certificate.
PS. Beau is correct with his anthropological information
(I used the term that changed out to **** the word used was the same as the author of Oliver. What does a guy named Richard who uses the nickname do? ) | |
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| Can a White person be African American?
Posted: 5/19/2009 10:52:57 PM | I had the "Richard" problem in a chat room once; somebody asked "Who was Mary Tyler Moore's husband in that '60s sitcom?" and I fell for it- got booted out.
Tried using Richard instead of- you know-
and got booted out again.
Long story short- it wasn't the diminutive of Richard, it was his last name, the part after the "van" that got me booted... | |
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| Can a White person be African American?
Posted: 5/19/2009 11:30:58 PM | Why does everyone love labels? Can't we just use black or white when describing someone?
Maybe I should be offended when someone calls me white? I'm not REALLY white; if I stand against my walls or hold a piece of paper against my skin, I stand out like a sore thumb. Ah...Maybe I should be considered off-white, beige, or slightly cream colored with a hint of red and yellow? Maybe I should call everybody that doesn't define me as "Irish-American" a flaming racist @sshole?!
Labels in general and being P.C. piss me off. A woman can't be fat, she has to be a B.B.W.. A lot of guys on here find they need to label themselves "nice"; like everyone besides them is a douche. The ONLY good label is "Princess"! At least when you see that in a profile, you know to expect a high-maintenance ****!
I feel SO much better after venting!  | |
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| Can a White person be African American?
Posted: 5/20/2009 5:48:28 AM |
Why does everyone love labels? Can't we just use black or white when describing someone?
One day...Long ago-
"Come here Toby"...No, my name Kunta Kintay.
"Come here Boy"...my nane is Kunta Kintay
"Nigra, get over here"... Kintay, Kunta Kintay...
After 50 lashes to the back..." come here Toby", ...yes master...
Oh, how we love lablels | |
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| Can a White person be African American?
Posted: 5/20/2009 2:22:41 PM | gleeleebee,
The special rights are: affirmative action, grants drawn specifically for black people, hate crime laws drawn specifically to protect minorities, the right to raise money and promote specifically the promotion and colored poeple aso called the NAACP. Other special rights are the right to have a lower grade point average than other races and still attend the same college, but that falls uner affirmative action.
Gleeleebee, you tell me how any white man should feel he is obligated to recieve any of these special benefits drawn up and created for black people. | |
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| Can a White person be African American?
Posted: 5/20/2009 4:00:22 PM |
The special rights are: affirmative action, grants drawn specifically for black people, hate crime laws drawn specifically to protect minorities, the right to raise money and promote specifically the promotion and colored poeple aso called the NAACP. Other special rights are the right to have a lower grade point average than other races and still attend the same college, but that falls uner affirmative action.
What happened to equal rights? I thought that is what the Civil Rights movement was all about. So now, it is not enough to have the same rights, it is about having superior rights?
Other special rights are the right to have a lower grade point average than other races and still attend the same college,
Yes, by all means lets continue to lower our standards while the world raises theirs! This will help us to better compete in the world economy. Let us lower the value of a college degree.
ibakeapie4you2eat, I am confused. Your profile lists you as Caucasian, yet your promote a very black oriented view point. Are you lying on your profile or just that liberal? | |
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| Can a White person be African American?
Posted: 5/20/2009 5:15:10 PM | Regarding lowering standards, the dumbing down of America continues. In the no child left behind, the requirements in classes have been dropped, heaven forbid any child not pass. A child is assessed and if they don't pass standard requirements, the requirements are lowered. People can only meet your expectations if they know what they are. Lowering standards encourages the lazy to become lazy--that is across the board--not targeting anyone group. Employers don't lower the standards, they kick your backside out if you don't meet the requirements.
Equal rights across the board, equal requirements across the board and no labels which give or deny special treatment. I don't care what you call your self, just don't call anyone else a name. | |
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| Can a White person be African American?
Posted: 5/20/2009 6:00:15 PM |
The special rights are: affirmative action, grants drawn specifically for black people, hate crime laws drawn specifically to protect minorities, the right to raise money and promote specifically the promotion and colored poeple aso called the NAACP. Other special rights are the right to have a lower grade point average than other races and still attend the same college, but that falls uner affirmative action.
Oh, dear...
There are grants for everyone: left-handed, red-headed step-children of Welsh fishermen--Deaf, Blind, name-an-ethnicity-religion-sexual indentification--all God's children got grants, got grants.
'Hate Crime' laws are not specific to Black citizens--they cover anyone who is a victim.
The NAACP has White members--White folks lent a hand in the foundation of the NAACP.
As for Affirmative Action, women of all colors also benefit. ALL colors--that includes 'White' women. | |
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| Can a White person be African American?
Posted: 5/21/2009 12:29:47 AM | an economist friend of mine, who i met at the university and used as a subcontractor for my policy contracts back when i was working, became an advisor in dc and then dean of a business college. after that, he was recruited for a very high position within an "african american" college in the south. he was quite amused in that he accepted a "caucasian" from africa as a minority into the college and rocked quite a number of boats. he did have to move back east after a bit, as the cultural differences between south and northeast were too much for him to bear and clearly the senses of humor were not aligned. i feel that a lot, being in CA and from NYC. often people just don't "get" my jokes here! 
at any rate i have a double qualifer in weighing in on this thread, as my kids are half african american (aka "black") and peruvian --with british, indigenous, african and spanish birth grandparents and russian adoptive grandparents. add afro cuban if you want to add in my grandbaby. my grandfather escaped from siberia to south africa as a jew in flight from a prison camp. he couldn't bear what he saw in south africa and thus, eventually migrating to nyc, "moi" was born eventually.
race has been genetically proven a fallacy with more genetic links across "races" than within races. migration and climate changes just contributed to adjustments over time. but race is indeed a political and economic reality in the form of "institutionalized racism".
so, i teach my kids their birth and adoptive heritages from a politcal /economic viewpoint and like it or not, we are all evolving--moreso in some areas, than others! jews were the minority in russia-- but to say i am not russian descent would be a fallacy. a similar logic applies here. if you want to distinguish further, then you must identify the grandparents and their migrations, etc.
i love the cultural distinctions and contributions that different ethnicities and color (race) experiences have taught different people, over the course of history-- who are, in turn, willing to share their lessons with others and make this a better world. i'd much rather meet a white african american from south africa who applies to a mostly all "black" college, than i would a bigot. how else are we to change the heritage of bigotry that has been passed down to date? my friend felt the same way. he grew up in oakland by the way, as did his wife!
however, i'm sure many would disagree. all i can say is too bad! my religion survived mixing and matching (with fights amongst the russian, german and polish jews by the way) --and like it or not, the kids of tomorrow will be a lot "browner" versus white or black. when my kids call me white, i remind them that when i was a kid in brooklyn, you were either jewish ( a religion, further divided into ethnicities as mentioned above), italian, irish, polish, southern black, jamaican, haitian or puerto rican. white was irrelevant. even the catholic churches back then were either italian or irish and i got to visit both as the jewish kid! didn't meet a "white anglo saxon protestant" until my first date in high school! we met at the catholic school dance. just as an example......
so, things are way different now and will be way different with respect to being "black" in the future or "african american" as an ethnicity versus a color-- with some of us still "white" and some still "black" , the descriptions will be more like the color of one's eyes or hair. my kids are like the canaries that they put in the mines to see if they could breathe. so far, they are surviving. the future will be easier! | |
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| Can a White person be African American?
Posted: 8/11/2009 8:50:28 AM | I always wondered about the whole African American thing, it doesn't make sense.
In Britain you have English, Irish, Scottish, Welsh, European or Other for white people but black people are listed as black british.
Unfortunately for them in our society being British is actually viewed by some as being an outsider or even a traitor, you certainly wouldn't catch an Irishmen or a Scot calling himself British, and not many Englishmen refer to each other as British.
In recent times I've noticed a few black people refer to themselfs as English, although I've also noticed more posturing with blacks saying quotes such as "I'm British not English" as if being British is a racial group seperate from being English White.
In conversation people say "that Black bloke" or "that Asian bloke" as apposed to "that English bloke" for the White person.
Unfortunately identity has always been a big issue, especially in England. The whole am I English or am I British syndrome has been going on for ages, long before Black people even came to the Island. It all ultimately stems from the British Empire days and past wars.
In recent times with the rise of multiculturalism the whole debate has certainly gained popularity especially amoungst whites. The government and the BBC even done a White season on TV to promote and educate people about what it means to be White and English. The government are now proposing laws that would deny entry to future immigrants who did not have enough knowledge on British culture. | |
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| Can a White person be African American?
Posted: 8/11/2009 9:04:43 AM |
That's a racist statement if I've ever seen one. Sheesh.
Yeah, I would agree with you if it weren't 100% true. Being black gives a person special rights and advantages. Noone cares when a white person gets hit by a cop. Cop hits a black person? Oh, they have entire organizations just for that. There is no white NAACP. White and can't afford college? Yeah, you have options, but not NEARLY as many. Black people, or so they have said on this forum, need special programs so they can have the same chances in life as white people. I would call that pretty specially privelidged! | |
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| Can a White person be African American?
Posted: 8/11/2009 9:09:26 AM | ^^Thanks for the true colors. Now I know exactly where to file your opinions.
Your superiority is sickening. Go whine somewhere else.
One less PoFer on the forum... next? | |
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| Can a White person be African American?
Posted: 8/11/2009 9:14:17 AM | ^^Thanks for the true colors. Now I know exactly where to file your opinions.
Your superiority is sickening. Go whine somewhere else.
One less PoFer on the forum... next?
Nope, I was just agreeing with everything the black people stated in that huge race thread a while back. The white race has dominated them for so long that they need programs to be equal in society according to the posters that were black in that thread. See? Even agreeing with them makes me "the bad guy". Gotta love it! Oddly, however, I have said NOTHING to indicate that I feel any race is superior or inferior, only that being black gets you special rights and privelidges, and I challenge ANYONE to prove that statement incorrect. Yet I am labled a racist by the uninformed. See how it works? Even the facts are now "racist", even when stated in an unbiased manner. Fact is fact and if you don't like it, then abolish minority scholar-ships. Get rid of NAACP, make Wel-fare racially equal, get rid of affirmative action, etc. but until those programs and others either exist for all races, or dissapear, the bottom line is that being black gives you special privelidges and rights. End of story.
As to "my superiority" and "my whining". None of that post was either. It was stating fact, and agreement with what other posters, who are black, and thus I would assume know much more than I about being black, have stated. You don't like it SaharaM, then go tell those posters what I told them, that they don't need special programs to be equal in life. But then, you wouldn't notice that post of mine, it seems you only came out of the cracks to whine at me for stating fact that you found non PC. Going to your profile and looking at your past 5 forum posts, your negative attitude and need to jump on someone over something you know nothing about is quite apparent. | |
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| Can a White person be African American?
Posted: 8/11/2009 10:30:32 AM | Messages this short, messages this short, messages this short. My point was made in a short message.
Actually the term African American probably stems from the need to qualify a person for "minority status" deep within the pages of America`s MWBE /Affirmative Action statutes.....If you fall within one of these numerous elite groups you can qualify for all sorts of federal and state goodies...........By the way it`s not only those folks from the African Continent that can take advantage of these programs.......even disabled American Veterans and yes...white women too.....Anyway....MWBE and Affirmative Action programs are here to split us apart and they have done a very good job at it.... | |
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| Can a White person be African American?
Posted: 8/11/2009 7:51:09 PM | | ^^^^Before the 21st century passes White people in America will be in the minority. The future generatiosn will then reap the benefits of Affirmative Action, BTW don't you think that disabled American Veterans deserve their rightfully earned goodies plus even more by putting their lives on the line? | |
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| Can a White person be African American?
Posted: 8/11/2009 7:56:33 PM |
^^^^Before the 21st century passes White people in America will be in the minority. The future generatiosn will then reap the benefits of Affirmative Action, BTW don't you think that disabled American Veterans deserve their rightfully earned goodies plus even more by putting their lives on the line?
See, but even though I will be the minority, I don't want any kind of hand-out, because that is not the way things should work. Yes, I think Veterans should have their benefits. They actually did something to get them. It's part of payment for their services. Being born black/yellow/whatever color that makes you a minority, should not come with a service payment. | |
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| Can a White person be African American?
Posted: 8/11/2009 7:59:39 PM |
Before the 21st century passes White people in America will be in the minority.
And you have what facts to back this up?
Your statement may have some validity of you look at it in a simply White vs. all Minorities point of view. Then certainly Whites will be outnumbered. However, looking at all races independently Whites will probably still be the majority.
You have to believe that America will correct its current immigration problem long before the country is over run. This current immigrant growth cannot, and will not, go on unchecked.
The future generatiosn will then reap the benefits of Affirmative Action
Hmm following you assertion that Whites will not be in the majority any longer. Does that then mean that they would be eligible for all of the benefits of Affirmative Action? What a concept.
Yes, I think Veterans should have their benefits. They actually did something to get them. It's part of payment for their services. Being born black/yellow/whatever color that makes you a minority, should not come with a service payment.
Brilliant! That is what i have been saying all along.
Giving special preference/treatment to someone due to their race is just as racist as denying them something because of their race.
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| Can a White person be African American?
Posted: 8/11/2009 9:24:16 PM |
See, but even though I will be the minority, I don't want any kind of hand-out, because that is not the way things should work. Yes, I think Veterans should have their benefits. They actually did something to get them. It's part of payment for their services. Being born black/yellow/whatever color that makes you a minority, should not come with a service payment.
See definition:
affirmative action
n.
A policy or a program that seeks to redress past discrimination through active measures to ensure equal opportunity, as in education and employment.
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2009. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
Therefore, I agree with you. I love the James Brown song:
" I don't want nobody giving me nothing...just open up the door I'll get it myself"
I have always defined AA as "door opening programs." I do not subscribe to preferential treatment for employment or educational purposes. However, in years past, doors were closed to minorities. An example is my deceased mother. The only jobs that she was hired for before the Civil Rights movement were packaging and cleaning produce in a factory, cleaning and dusting furniture and appliances in a retail store, and cleaning private homes for White people. After the Civil Rights movement she was hired at W.T.Grants a retail establishment similar to Wal-Mart only smaller. She started out as a sales clerk in the men's underwear department she soon was promoted to assistant manager of the department. She really loved her job . She was so proud to work there , for just a few years before you never saw Blacks working in sales in any retail establishment in the downtown shopping district.
This would have never happened without Affirmative Action, obviously she was qualified all of the time, the color of her skin was the "door closed". I thank God that the" doors opened" for my generation and those that will follow!!!
As my mother would say" Black people buy underwear too, why can't black people also sell them?" | |
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| Can a White person be African American?
Posted: 8/11/2009 11:00:42 PM | Goodness me, I'm starting to remember why I stopped reading these forums...ah well, in for a penny, in for a pound as my immigrant mother (British, goodness and mercy upon us, no, English...) would say.
Re: Comment about Whites as a minority:
And you have what facts to back this up?
Demographic projections from almost any established source should do...and yes, historically, the idea of White versus Minority has assumed 50% plus one for founding father white being the bar for this.
Re: Immigration
You have to believe that America will correct its current immigration problem long before the country is over run. This current immigrant growth cannot, and will not, go on unchecked.
You'll have to readjust your thinking here. Simply put, the labour force will not grow without immigration at existing or higher levels moving forward. This is, again, established, and the economy (for purposes of growth which will need to be very high given your country's debt) will need to increase its labour force in order to increase productivity in order to grow...which means, unless American-born folks f*ck more without concern about babies...you're gonna need immigration.
Re: Affirmative Action.
Don't think of it as race as in your skin colour. Think of it as race as in something you do in track and field. The purpose of affirmative action, in many respects, is to help those of equal ability but unequal circumstance have a chance to fairly run against the field. That means...given the historic and current social challenges that those in a position of poverty face, and given that those in poverty are much more likely to be of a non-white background...give the children in those circumstances the ability to come up to the starting line with an equal chance.
To your thinking, everyone should be 'equal' at any stage of the application game, but the kid who struggled through poverty and slums and the street...worked his or her a$$ to the bone at a job to give money to his mum to pay rent, and then got a 75% average...should be ditched for someone who never had any of those challenges and got a 76% average? The idea behind affirmative action is to treat equally those who ran the race from the same starting line. Those who were lined up 20 yards back before they hit kindergarten, ought to be given some recognition of that fact. | |
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| Can a White person be African American?
Posted: 8/12/2009 2:50:25 AM |
And you have what facts to back this up?
The below site projects that the White,non Hispanic population percentage change from 2000-2050 will go from 69.4%(2000) to 50.1%(2050). At this rate it is a good chance that
the White population will fall to less than 35% by the end of the 21st century.
http://www.census.gov/population/www/projections/usinterimproj/natprojtab01a.pdf
Your statement may have some validity of you look at it in a simply White vs. all Minorities point of view. Then certainly Whites will be outnumbered. However, looking at all races independently Whites will probably still be the majority.
This is exactly how I determine it. What other way makes sense? When you do laundry,
you separate whites from colors; light and dark, but not by individual colors. If you did, you would spend half your life washing the blues, then the greens, then the reds etc.
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