| MPs expenses scandal - has it cost Labour the next general election
Posted: 5/17/2009 4:36:11 AM | | Labour didnt have a chance to begin with! Brown saying ive put an end to boom and bust! You were half right gormless brown, no boom just one big bust! Then theres we are the best prepared in the world to face the credit crunch! Oh dear gormless you really need to sort out your maths or listen to the public instead of saving the world lol. Regarding expenses gormless has lived upto his name, looking like a rabbit in headlights untill the youtube incident lmao. Tory dave will win the election and pleased hes shown leadership in the expenses row while gormless sulks. The lib dems will improve due to vince telling clegg what to say. Ukip and bnp will gain euro and local power due to protest votes and torys want people to vote ukip in the euro vote. Oh and can garentee smith wont be redditch mp next year! | |
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| MPs expenses scandal - has it cost Labour the next general election
Posted: 5/17/2009 4:57:44 AM | | manhi..its not about the amount of money they earn..but about how they have obtained it..by fiddling and theiving it..these people are supposed to be pillars of society..but they are commiting crimes the normal man in the street would be put in gaol for..and they are getting away with it..if any of us on this forum done the same as what they have been doing..we would be charged..sent to the crown court and most likley be given a custodial prison term..but these feckers seem to think cos they are mps they are above the law..its got feck all to do with jeremy paxman and what he earns... | |
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| MPs expenses scandal - has it cost Labour the next general election
Posted: 5/17/2009 5:38:01 AM | Anyone remember Neil Hamilton and his sleaze scandal?
And Martin Bell in his white suit winning the by-election when the Labour and Conservative parties withdrew their candidates...
And guess what, the Tories won at the next General Election.
So goes around, comes around, and the status quo remains.
I agree with posters above - this hasn't cost Labour the GE because every MP seems to be on the gravy train, what it has cost is this country's "democracy". GEs have in the years at least since Thatcher's first win (when I started counting) had the governing party win by polling less than the majority of the votes of those who voted.
That is going to decrease even more, I am sure. Any bets on a less-than-50% actual turn-out in the next GE? | |
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| MPs expenses scandal - has it cost Labour the next general election
Posted: 5/17/2009 9:37:43 AM |
The questions I want to ask is does anyone think Labour can make it through the next general election, or are we all gonna be voting Green. Is there anything Labour can do to pull this back.
I was under the impression it was all MP's who were guilty of this scandal?
If anything the recession will be blamed on Labour and they will lose because of this. | |
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| MPs expenses scandal - has it cost Labour the next general election
Posted: 5/17/2009 9:47:29 AM | i can not wait for labour to be out of power i voted for them to end the years of tory rule hopeing that it would get this country back to work and share the wealth etc labour have been a big disapointment and there not like the labour of old and i would never again vote for them
i was the same.working clas guy,thinking things would be so diffrent after years of tory sleaze.labour let me down big time.i wont ever vote labour again in fact the 3 main partys can poke it as far as im concerned | |
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| MPs expenses scandal - has it cost Labour the next general election
Posted: 5/17/2009 10:57:26 AM | I feel the fact that MP's tried to stop this information coming out, is outrageous. Somebody out there has whistleblown, and I think they'll get away with it (although,allegedly money was asked for), due to it being in the public interest. Although a few MP's might state, contradictally, the opposite. I'm uncomfortable with the fact that MP's expenses were probed/investigated awhile back, and the lady who did so (she was appointed, Filigree/Firkin, the name eludes me) did so quite tenaciously. Then suddenly allegations were made against her, and the speaker and various MP's said she had to go, and made it so. The allegations were never proved, and came to nothing.
This should be fully investigated, and criminal charges brought. Politics was already a mirky business, but a light has been shone, and what people have seen isn't pleasant. | |
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| MPs expenses scandal - has it cost Labour the next general election
Posted: 5/17/2009 11:01:38 AM | MPs expenses scandal - has it cost Labour the next general election
I don't understand the question... MPs from pretty much all parties have been fiddling their expense claims for many, many decades - and everyone has always knows they have been doing it prior to this whistle blowing debacle - yet it's The Labour's Party's fault?
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| MPs expenses scandal - has it cost Labour the next general election
Posted: 5/17/2009 11:30:26 AM | And when we get rid of Gordon Brown and the Labour Party
the replacement will (likely) be...
an Old Etonian aristocrat whose leadership will ensure the status quo and the survival of his self-serving cronies.
Oh yes, life will then be much improved for the working class of this country!
(I'm in no way suggesting that Labour has done a good job but I have lived long enough to have experienced life under both Labour and the Conservatives. Cynicism leads me to believe that the only change that any of us will truly experience in the future will be... different names of those in power). | |
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| MPs expenses scandal - has it cost Labour the next general election
Posted: 5/17/2009 5:18:58 PM | MEP's can also earn a fortune and only pay 15 per cent tax
* After the European Elections in June 2009, British MEPs stand to get a 47% increase in their take home pay. MEPs currently earn the same as a Westminster MP, £63,291, on which they pay British income tax of 26%, leaving them £46,835 in take home pay. Three crucial changes in their pay arragements will increase their salaries sizeably: i) After June, all MEPs will move to a new, standardised salary of €91,980 - at 2008 exchange rates, that is a pay rise of 16% to £73,584. ii) At the same time, they will cease to pay British income tax and will instead pay a new, reduced EU tax of only 15%, boosting their take home pay to €78,183. At 2008 exchange rates that means their after-tax pay will increase from £46,835 to £62,546 - a 33% rise. iii) The new MEPs' salary will be paid in Euros, which have gained greatly in value against Sterling since 2008. If exchange rates stay at around €1:88p, then MEPs will gain a further increase in take-home pay to £68,801. Going from earning £46,835 in take home pay currently to £68,801 under the new arrangements is a 47 per cent rise.
* It has been calculated that due to the generosity and laxity of the MEPs' allowances, expenses and pensions system, it is possible for an MEP to personally save enough money to become a millionaire over their 5-year term. | |
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| MPs expenses scandal - has it cost Labour the next general election
Posted: 5/18/2009 12:37:01 PM | nothing is wrong with owning a second home near your first home where your family lives.
as long as the MP pays for it out of their own pocket OR the money made on it when they eventually sell it goes back into the government coffers to spend on the british tax payer who in fact paid for said house in the first place | |
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| MPs expenses scandal - has it cost Labour the next general election
Posted: 5/19/2009 1:26:12 AM | | I think there's a natural cycle to these things, even if Labour hadn't had so many scandals and problems people fancy a change after more than 10 years. What is interesting is the legacy an outgoing political party leaves behind it, in the case of the tories it saw them sidelined for over a decade and i can see Labours legacy doing the same to them, possibly even longer. | |
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| MPs expenses scandal - has it cost Labour the next general election
Posted: 5/19/2009 1:47:54 AM | I have no problem with MPs earning a nice wage. Its a big job with a lot of pressure, and at the end of the day you get what you pay for.
What I dont like is the fact that the people we are supposed to look towards or the direction the country is going to take, and to move us forward as a society, are basically on the fiddle. And not only that, but that when caught with their hand in the cookie jar, havent got the guts a lot of em, to come out and say 'its a fair cop'.
I think we need a clean slate. All dodgy expenses since the last general election paid back, any that dont pay it back sacked. And proper rules brought in so that this kind of crazy beak wetting does not continue. | |
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| MPs expenses scandal - has it cost Labour the next general election
Posted: 5/19/2009 7:55:10 AM | The only good I can see coming out of this situation is it presents an opportunity to call a general election and to get this clown Brown out of office before he does this country any more damage. Brown Gordon can still be seen advocating fiscal stimulus as the best way out of our current mess, the one he got us into in the first place to groans throughout the house..tell me Gordon, is there any concievable situation in british politics for which your remedy would NOT be borrow more money from the IMF?! As it is, our national debt has recently sailed past the ONE TRILLION mark..we are paying interest at a rate of 6%, or SIX BILLION a year which will milk our country for generations to come to the benefit of the countries who mainly finance the IMF: the Saudis & the Chinese (as if GB hasn't given the chinese enough already..a fair section of our gold reserves at the start of this parliment at a giveaway price, to prop up the economy under labour during the latest BOOM phase of world finance). OUR TINY ISLAND IS IN MORE DEBT THAN ANY OTHER COUNTRY HAS EVER BEEN IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD!!! & we didn't accrue this debt through buying arms which were needed for us to win world war 2, it was just so we could all drive around in 4x4's & get 125% mortgages we had no chance of paying. AAAGH!!! & our children (not that i have any) will be paying this off their WHOLE LIVES..
PS I'm not a tory, I have no political alliegance but you can bet yer 4x4 I'll be voting for them at the next election..it's the only realistic way to get labour out  | |
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| MPs expenses scandal - has it cost Labour the next general election
Posted: 5/19/2009 8:25:49 AM | European Parliament "The Gravey Boat"
much like a "gravey train" just much slower moving &so more time for MEPS To fill their faces pockets & swiss bank accounts
The SISO List which Gordon Brown wanted for us ???
Sign In & Sod Off List
No Mr Brown You Sign Out & Sod off | |
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| MPs expenses scandal - has it cost Labour the next general election
Posted: 5/19/2009 8:39:06 AM | GTG4e (49)
You're absolutely right when you comment on the extreme debt this country is in, as you say...
"just so we could all drive around in 4x4's and get 125% mortgages we had no chance of paying"
WE, the British people (not all but I would suggest most) were very very happy that our (illusory) standard of living was continually rising.
WE (again, not all) could buy two or three homes, the latest cars, DVD's, flat-screen TV's, the latest technological gadgetry, us and our children dressed in designer clothes..... most of which was bought on credit.
Yes, WE were as guilty of greed as any politician or banker.
And in your P.S. you state that you'll vote Tory in order to get rid of Labour ...
a vote for an old Etonian Aristocrat whose aim will be to maintain the status quo and to keep his sharp-suited, wealthy friends in the luxury to which they have become accustomed (41)
First thing, let's reduce inheritence tax - that'll be of fantastic benefit to the great majority of us - not.
Oh yes, things will really be great for us working class when the Tories are in control!
P.S. I don't own a 4x4, nor do I have a 125% mortgage or have excessive debt. | |
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| MPs expenses scandal - has it cost Labour the next general election
Posted: 5/19/2009 2:01:04 PM | ..I know mate, it's a rock and a hard place situation. The thing that bothers me though is that people don't appreciate the to-fro way in which our political system works and would rather just slate the Tories cos it's fashionable to do so. I know I'm sticking my neck out when I say vote for them but at least I haven't given up on politics as many people have..it's so easy to just say "Labour good, Tory bad" & switch off from it all. In reality it's nowhere near as simple as that.
Things will be great for us when the Tories are in - not. It ain't gonna be good for anyone, the next parliment will be a poisoned chalice & whoever gets in will be unpopular because they'll have to deal with the mess left by the current administration. Just look around you - everything's closing..shops, pubs, businesses, hospitals, schools..got news for you mate things ain't so good for us working class right now! But that's nothing to what might be around the corner & under this govt, no preparations whatsoever are being made for that eventuality.
The sad irony is that because of the "illusory standard of living" that many of us have enjoyed and the fact that it will be the Tories who have to try & straighten out this mess for the good of the whole country they will get the blame for it, when you know as well as I do that it's the fault of Gordon & Tony. So the "Labour good, Tory bad" mantra will be reinforced amongst those who don't understand the harsh realities of the issue. Oh, for a sensible system & some TRUTH out there..
ps. good to see you too live within your realistic means, as I always have. Looks like we'll still be paying for the excesses of others though..lets hope it doesn't see us penniless.. | |
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| MPs expenses scandal - has it cost Labour the next general election
Posted: 5/19/2009 4:06:25 PM | Yes the expenses scandle is a major problem for this government, but it is across the board in Labour and Tory. Full details are needed and when we have them we can vote on a local basis on the MP standing.
I remember where this country was when Labour came back to power after 18 years of Tory rule. Yes it was bloody terrible at that time and we shouldn't forget that.
We know what will happen if the Tories get back in again, so if you want to experience again what they did for 18 years, then go and vote for them. Don't say you were not warned.
We know and can see what Gordon Brown and Tony Blair have done and built for the last 10 years. Look at the NHS and there's still more to be done.
We know that this GLOBAL downtown is down to the USA and nobody else. Any decent party in government would have done the same as Gordon Brown has done. I ask you what you would have wanted. Savage cuts (Torys) and even less jobs. Or invest in the future (Borrow money) long term.
We saw Gordon Brown step forward and stand up for the obvious actions of saving the banks with good ideas- Would any decent country let the banks fail (another set of problems that Gordon Brown has to sort out). Remember what the other banks and governments in Europe started to do.
Before you vote this lot out- Think about what your going to get in its place.
Just in case your wondering. I am a floating voter- There is no other way to be. | |
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| MPs expenses scandal - has it cost Labour the next general election
Posted: 7/7/2009 1:09:30 AM | has it cost labour the next election = NO
i think cameron was one of the main benefiters from the expense scandal as in he was quids in from it as well. so i don't think any party should be singled out for the entire fiascal. the day the tories get a foot hold on running this country is the day i move to iraq. | |
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| MPs expenses scandal - has it cost Labour the next general election
Posted: 10/11/2009 12:17:34 AM | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8301161.stm
"Whitehall sources have indicated "the majority" of MPs will either have to justify their claims or pay money back. "
How can a cleaner for Gordon Brown's brothers flat be justified!!!!!!!!
I wonder many more little gems are waiting to crawl out of the woodwork. | |
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| MPs expenses scandal - has it cost Labour the next general election
Posted: 10/11/2009 2:26:42 AM | I don't care. The only parties who are ever going to be in power in this country (at least for the next 40 years or more) are Labour and Conservative. They are both as bad as each other, filled with empty, hypocritical rhetoric and neither will take any REAL steps to improve the country.
They will both just do their upmost to line their own pockets at our expense. They'll just keep finding better ways to hide it. | |
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| MPs expenses scandal - has it cost Labour the next general election
Posted: 10/17/2009 4:28:53 PM | | ive never been 1 for voting the way i see it is there all in it for themselves to see what they can get out of it.its all just coming out now and as i see it they should all get done for fraud cause thats what there all doing the man on the street would get done for it so why not them they might make the laws but no 1 is above the law | |
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