Mom has been raising the kids by herself for so many years now, it is common. It should not be common to raise our kids alone. We didn't have them alone; we didn't asexually reproduce thease kids. Dads need to step up to the plate their dad's didn't

Let me turn the question around.. Why do so many POF forum women ALLEGE abuse, versus the true statistics culled by the REAL.. could it be they dont want to take responsibility for their bad life-choices?

Let me turn the question around.. Why do so many POF forum women ALLEGE abuse, versus the true statistics culled by the REAL.. could it be they dont want to take responsibility for their bad life-choices?

ME as a normal man

NO ONE can abuse you more than once.. unless you allow it.

In 1994, Dr. Eugene J. Kanin of Purdue University investigated the incidences, in one small unidentified urban community, of false rape allegations made to the police between 1978 and 1987. Dr. Kanin asserts that "unlike those in many larger jurisdictions, this police department had the resources to "seriously record and pursue to closure all rape complaints, regardless of their merits". He further states each investigation "always involves a serious offer to polygraph the complainants and the suspects." and "the complainant must admit that no rape had occurred. She is the sole agent who can say that the rape charge is false." The falseness of the allegations was not decided by the police, Dr. Kanin, nor upon physical or testimonial evidence. The number of false rape allegations concluded in the studied period was 45; this was 41% of the 109 total complaints filed in this period. In Dr. Kanin's research, the complainants who made false allegations did so (by their own statements during recantation) for one or some combination of three major reasons:

providing an alibi. Dr. Kanin's report describes a woman who got into a bar fight and, fearing that this might prevent her from regaining custody of her children, filed a rape complaint to account for her injuries.
a means of gaining revenge. Dr. Kanin's report describes an 18 year old woman who engages in consensual sex with a boarder staying at her house. After he refuses to continue their relationship she accuses him of rape.
a platform for seeking attention/sympathy. Dr. Kanin's report describes a woman who becomes attracted to her therapist and in an attempt to elicit sympathy from him fabricates a story of rape and is subsequently pressured by him to report it to the police. Dr. Kanin also looked at the police records of two large mid western state universities and found that, of the 64 rape accusations, 32 (50%) were eventually recanted. Unlike the city police in the other study, the university police did not use polygraph examinations and the investigations were all performed by female officers. This figure also forms a lower estimate of the total number of false accusations reported to the police during this period and it is similarly possible that there were false accusations that were never recanted and resulted in convictions. However Kanin warns against reading too much into his results: "Certainly our intent is not to suggest that the 41 percent incidence found here be extrapolated to other populations, particularly in light of our ignorance regarding the structural variables."[13]

That women want to be treated as equals?

The politically-correct aim for 'equality' between 'men' and 'women' is not achievable.

It is absolutely impossible.

It will never be found.

It will never be discovered.

It will never happen.

The search for 'equality' between 'men' and 'women' is fueling a never-ending war between 'men' and 'women'.

The more aggressive and energetic is this nonsensical search for 'equality' between 'men' and 'women' , the more aggressive and energetic will be the war (i.e. the hostility) between 'men and 'women'.

To try to highlight this, notice that there is no 'equitable' solution even to this very simple question ...

Question: Should 'women' have more votes than 'men'?

For those who think, Yes, (because there are more women voters than men voters) then it follows that they also believe that those in a minority should have less of a say in what affects them.

They believe that the largest group (women) should have the greatest power.

As such, 'equality' between 'men' and 'women' is already lost.

For those who think, No, (because this would be unfair on 'men') then it follows that they also believe that those in the majority should have less of a say in what affects them.

They believe that the individual vote of a woman should be worth less than that of a man.

As such, 'equality' between 'men' and 'women' is already lost.

And if you really cannot see why it is not possible to find an 'equitable' solution even to the relatively simple question of whether or not 'women' should have more votes than 'men', and, hence, you also cannot see why it is even more impossible to find an 'equitable' solution to much more complex questions, then, quite frankly, the world would be much better off if you spent some more of your time reading and thinking, and rather less of it talking or writing!

The search for 'equality' between 'men' and 'women' is like a dog chasing its own tail. It will always be out of reach. And the very act of chasing it is costing us a great deal and causing tremendous damage to us.

The solution that we need to seek is not 'equality' - because it will never be found.

NEVER!

The best that can be hoped for is that people are happy with what is happening.

For example, if I had to answer the question, "Should 'women' have more votes than 'men'?" I would say, Yes (because there are more women voters than men voters).

But I would not be saying Yes in order to achieve 'equality'. I would be saying Yes because, currently, it seems to be the better option - for the sake of peace, if nothing else.

And this, in fact, is what all this nonsense about 'equality' between 'men' and 'women' should really boil down to.

If men and women are equally happy with whatever is the issue of concern, then, if you like, some version of 'equality' has been achieved.

But the state of people's happiness actually depends to a very large extent on the propaganda that envelops them.

If the propaganda tells them that they are badly off then their happiness levels will fall and their aggression levels will rise. If the propaganda tells them that they are doing well then their happiness levels will rise and their aggression levels will fall.

And so if people want 'men' and 'women' to be happy about each other then they need - amongst other things - to do their best to destroy all those forces that seek 'equality' between 'men' and 'women' - because these forces will, in practice, forever be creating hostility between 'men' and 'women' while in pursuit of an impossible goal!

Finally, neither men nor women need to be 'equal' to each other in order to be happy with each other.

Both men and women have to take an active role to reduce violence in our society. We need to teach people its not okay to hit people. That its not okay to verbally abuse people.

Never heard anything so silly as giving a woman two votes. Every individual that lives in a democratic society should get one vote provided that they are legal voting age.

Both men and women have to take an active role to reduce violence in our society. We need to teach people its not okay to hit people. That its not okay to verbally abuse people. There are a lot of teenagers being bullied. Well the problem starts in the home. Children learn these abusive behaviors. They learn its okay to call mommy a "beotch" or its okay to hit.

Western men die some five years earlier than women. They suffer more from nearly every medical disease and ailment that there is. And yet, far more money is spent by governments on women's health than on men's health. Men are also nowadays educationally disadvantaged significantly compared to women; with the curriculum, the teaching methods and the resources being designed to cater far more for women and girls than for men and boys. Men make up 80% of the homeless. There are more of them in social service care-homes as boys. They are many times more likely to be wrongfully arrested, wrongfully imprisoned, mugged, assaulted or murdered. They are 5 times more likely to lose their children when families break down, 4 times more likely to lose their homes, 4 times more likely to commit suicide, 20 times more likely to be killed or injured at work, 20 times more likely to be imprisoned, and, probably, more than 100 times more likely to be demeaned, denigrated and ridiculed by the mainstream media. Men also pay much more in taxes than women but receive far less in benefits from the government.

In other words, when compared to women, men are significantly disadvantaged when it comes to their health, their lifespans, their homes, their children, their education, their families, the tax burden, the law, the benefit system, and even when it comes to their own personal safety.

They are nowadays also being heavily discriminated against in the work place.

How is it possible, therefore, that women are being 'oppressed' more than men?

In what areas?

Where?

when a man shows signs of abuse... to walk away.

They have to be taught to seek help and call the authorities if needed... especially if there are children involved.

They have to be taught to seek help and call the authorities if needed... especially if there are children involved.

.....Why do you think law makers had to resort to the mandatory arrest laws?

Feminism is a political discourse aimed at equal rights and legal protection for women. It involves various movements, political and sociological theories, and philosophies, all concerned with issues of gender difference; that advocate equality for women; and that campaign for women's rights and interests
Feminist activists have campaigned for women's legal rights (rights of contract, property rights, voting rights); for women's right to bodily integrity and autonomy, for abortion rights, and for reproductive rights (including access to contraception and quality prenatal care); for protection of women and girls from domestic violence, sexual harassment and rape;[1][10][11] for workplace rights, including maternity leave and equal pay; against misogyny; and against other forms of discrimination.[12

I actually would blame the majority of the problems on capitalism which is the root of most evils. There is such a backlash against feminist its sickening because it is so misguided.

WELL I GUESS IT DEPENDS ON THE PERSON NOT THE GENDER, NOT TO TALK SMACK BUT THERE IS A LOT OF WOMEN OUT THERE THAT DON'T KNOW HOW TO TREAT A MAN.. IT GOES BOTH WAYS AND I KNOW THAT.. I THINK SOME MEN LIKE TO THINK THAT THEY HAVE IT ALL FIGURED OUT WHEN IN FACT THEY DON'T HAVE THE SLIGHTEST CLUE... SO WHEN THEY FEEL LIKE THEY ARE LOOSING CONTROL OF THE SITUATION THE ACT OUT IN A ABUSIVE WAY TO SHOW THAT THEY ARE IN THE ONE IN CONTROL ..BUT IN MY OPINION ITS A TWO WAY STREET!

Oh, and one more thing, as late as the mid-90's, too often, when a woman did call the police for help, they cheered the man on rather than aid the woman. Why do you think law makers had to resort to the mandatory arrest laws?

I attempted to leave at least a dozen times over the course of a 16 year marriage.........I had my extended family telling me that under no circumstances was I "allowed" to ever leave my husband. I was told to quit exaggerating. I was told I had made my bed, now sleep in it.

Then there's the question of where to go.......most of those 16 years I had NO FAMILY nearby, I was forbidden to have contact with co-workers outside of work, I had no friends, the only ones I was allowed to socialize with were HIS friends/co-workers and they were not willing to help. When I was finally able to leave, it was because my mom had moved to the same city to be closer to my kids and I and she lived in a controlled access apartment complex. For 5 months, my two kids, my mom, and myself lived in a small 2 bedroom apartment, the next year the four of us lived in a one bedroom house that was converted to make 3 bedrooms (the dining room became the kitchen, the living room was one bedroom and the entryway was the third bedroom)

While I was looking up information back in 2000, I came across something rather startling -- there were more animal shelters for stray dogs and cats in the US than there were shelters for women. Great choice for the women to make: stay here where the kids are fed, have a home to live in and live with the domestic violence; or take them out to live on the streets subjected to hunger, cold, drugs, and street violence....Gee I wonder what would have the more traumatic effect on the kids, hearing dad yelling at mom or watching a gang of men raping mom! Yeah, it's easy to just "walk away." NOT

The vast majority of men who suffer from an abusive female in a relationship do not lash-out. They stay quiet.

Your just proving my point earlier which was "girls need to be TAUGHT not to accept this behavior".

So it's your parents fault that you didn't leave, not yours? Of course.

Ahh yes... now your telling women "ladies, your going to get gang raped if you leave your abuser".

Your excuses are just plain sad

Your basically saying that women should choose to stay with thier abuser because at least they get proper shelter and clothing, and 3 square meals everyday.