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Posted: 5/20/2009 10:38:42 PM | Good point too, Chriskateri!
Let's get rid of all that mulitlingual, multicultural stuff. I'm sure that will save some bucks!
Not too sure about getting rid of all that literature on sex, teen pregnancy and disease prevention. Wasn't promoting that kind of education a fundamental base for Bush's very effective policy positions on human sexuality? "Just say no"...oh wait, that was Barbara Bush on drugs, right? Well, G.W. said something similar about sex, I think. "No nookie, no disease!" or words to that effect. A stunningly successful campaign, so I've heard. | |
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Posted: 5/20/2009 11:33:12 PM | First of Folkie I take offense that you must put this in a Left/ Right proposition. The government is responsible for 2 things, infrastructure and defense, that's it. The general welfare part of the constitution and that idea has been completely distorted.
You want cuts:
From the federation for Immigration Reform: I don't care what group this is the numbers are based on federal OBM numbers.
Any and all aid to illegal aliens and do away with the born across the border clause, that's 9 billion. If you turn off the supply there is no reason to come here.
The more than $10.5 billion in costs incurred by California taxpayers is composed of outlays in the following areas:
* Education. Based on estimates of the illegal immigrant population in California and documented costs of K-12 schooling, Californians spend approximately $7.7 billion annually on education for illegal immigrant children and for their U.S.-born siblings. Nearly 15 percent of the K-12 public school students in California are children of illegal aliens.
* Health care. Uncompensated medical outlays for health care provided to the state's illegal alien population amount to about $1.4 billion a year.
* Incarceration. The cost of incarcerating illegal aliens in California's prisons and jails amounts to about $1.4 billion a year (not including related law enforcement and judicial expenditures or the monetary costs of the crimes that led to their incarceration).
This is not a racist issue, this is a practical issue, we can't take care of everybody. I don't care where you came from, if your not here legally get out.
So that brings the 21 billion down to about 10, that's a start.
Any and all programs that could otherwise qualify as a charity, cut em.
From the Governor on down cut all state wages in half for management, no state worker would be allowed to make more than the median income.
I would and still may introduce and term limit for all state workers, you get 5 years then get out and find a real job, get some fresh blood in every 5 years.
Declare California bankrupt and renegotiate all contracts. New York did it and came back stronger than ever.
As for health care if you are under 18, over 70 or have been diagnosed with what I consider a critical illness the state would assist if need if you are a citizen.
Give me time I will find more.
"The best way to cure poverty is to make it as uncomfortable as possible"
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Posted: 5/21/2009 7:23:30 AM | "I like the idea of cutting out all but one language from dmv materials too."
Since the majority of legal Californians speak Spanish the DMV would have to be in Spanish only ... | |
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Posted: 5/21/2009 7:46:42 AM | | So, the majority of CA drivers are not bi-lingual (or bi-lingual by proxy)? | |
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Posted: 5/21/2009 8:48:23 AM |
You mention that some of our current legislators are corrupt hacks. But the hypothetical stipulates that the legislature will be controlled by the "pure of heart" from the political right. So, are there any more concrete proposals? Where do we slash? What programs do we cut? Who pays for highway maintenance, if not the state with revenues from the DMV? Again, I'm really curious to hear real proposals
Here are some suggestions.
1) Never sign a union contract that you can't fire, layoff or reduce wages by at least by 20% during times of reduced revenue. In fact it should be made law or amended to the State constitution. This way the elected officials can't sign these foolish contracts.
2) A portion of the budget must be set aside as they say for a rainy day fund. A real fund you don't beg borrow or steal against. In fact the bookkeeping for the state should show all sources of income and its distribution and made available on the WWW.
3) A State law should be enacted that public officials can no longer distort the truth or deceive the public. Call it a wolf in sheep's clothing. Put some teeth in it by making it a felony with jail time.
4) All state business by all offices shall be conducted in public, except where litigation may require privacy. The burden of enough prove for privacy is required to be submitted to a panel of three state judges if challenged. If the circuit court finds that litigation privacy was used to circumvent the law then those responsible shall be charged with a felony and associated jail time if found guilty.
5) When laws are broken in public schools whether by teachers or students or the public then arrests shall be made by the local or proper police department and investigated by them. This is not an internal matter to be determined by the local school principal or superintendent.
I can give more. But why should the wages and benefits of those working be protected when the private sector wages and benefits of the private sector are reduced. In fact the average wages of the public sector with associated benefits are considerably greater than the average wages and benefits of the private sector. | |
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Posted: 5/21/2009 9:32:11 AM |
Ok... but the deficit spending is caused by a significant drop in income. If income had not dropped, then spending wouldn't have been deficit.
Spending is too high. You could give them twice the revenue, and they would spend it all, plus more. | |
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Posted: 5/21/2009 9:42:28 AM |
You could give them twice the revenue, and they would spend it all, plus more.
Pirate: At this point, now after this last election Tuesday, while I'd most normally agree with the statement, now I am no longer JUST seeing it as it being our elected officials who are responsible and culpable. JQ Voter isn't doing any better either. | |
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Posted: 5/21/2009 10:07:33 AM | Let me give you and example of how ridiculous Cali is:
I volunteer for an Non-Profit that is setting up a off leash dog park. Now the land was donated by Cal Trans and is a by pass that will never be used. We wanted to cut down all the weeds, level the ground and replant fresh grass, Cal Trans said go ahead. Guess what, Oh no in order to do this we have to pay the Cal EPA $3500 to do a environmental impact study that will take 3 -5 years. This is the kind of crap that makes doing business in this state ridiculous, no wonder businesses are fleeing and revenue is down.
I honestly believe that most of the agencies in the state are just a matter of self perpetuating, give me a pay raise, raise fees, taxation without representation, spun out of control bullsh!t. | |
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Posted: 5/21/2009 10:17:24 AM | fzr...
It's what they modeled HOA's after... especially in retirement communities... There, it allows bored people to F@#* with their neighbors. | |
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Posted: 5/21/2009 11:03:26 AM |
I honestly believe that most of the agencies in the state are just a matter of self perpetuating
That is exactly what they are.
I am constantly selling them books they don't really need because they have to use or lose the money and if they don't spend the full amount allotted in a given year, they risk the amount being lowered the following year.
The next few years are going to be hard on me but the state has to get realistic. I hope what money they have to spend will be kept local. | |
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Posted: 5/21/2009 11:22:06 AM |
The general welfare part of the constitution and that idea has been completely distorted.
Possibly in both directions. We have to be smart about defense and infrastructure expenditures, and we also have to be smart about programs that promote the general welfare. Do you really want to cut out the National Institutes of Health? NASA (a civilian agency)? Land Grant universities (public and private)? The National Academy of Sciences?
Dismissing all government programs not directly related to the military reveals a lack of thought. Besides, what about all those privately held companies that provide water, power, cable, and telephone services? Aren't those infrastructure? Should the government own them? By your reasoning, it should.
What about the FTC? Do you really want unregulated securities trading?
"Welfare" is not necessarily a code word for communism. Get over it. | |
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Posted: 5/21/2009 12:06:15 PM |
now I am no longer JUST seeing it as it being our elected officials who are responsible and culpable. JQ Voter isn't doing any better either.
I agree 100%. The citizens in general are woefully apathetic and uninformed. | |
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Posted: 5/21/2009 12:09:44 PM |
We wanted to cut down all the weeds, level the ground and replant fresh grass
Your insensitivity toward the Planet shocks me. Did you ever consider that one of those "weeds" could have been a threatened or endangered plant species? I doubt it! Or that leveling the ground would change the pattern of runoff? What about insects or birds that might have depended on that water, which you were ready to divert? And grass! Do you realize how much water lawns waste?
Of course, if all those harmful impacts didn't bother you, I'm sure you were also ready to ignore the possible effects of dog waste on groundwater. I think $3,500 and 5 years was a small price to pay to avoid all that environmental harm. And even if you'd had to take measures to remediate the harmful effects of your project--for example, requiring all dogs to wear diapers in the bark park--it would have been worth it. | |
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Posted: 5/21/2009 1:21:10 PM | Ace I wouldn't say we need to eliminate them completely but they are bloated and out of control and need to be reduced to a minimum. Also if it can be done cheaper at the state level then it should be eliminated at the FED, and the reverse. For every dollar we send to DC we get back 33 cents and crappy regs. One of the first things I would do is take education out of the hands of the feds, this has been a miserable failure through many administrations. Leave it up to the locals.
Basically Ace I am for anything that would put the FED back in its proper place and minimize it. | |
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Posted: 5/21/2009 1:27:50 PM | ACE this one, must be reading it wrong.
From earlier post, sorry don't know how to put stuff in boxes.
Dismissing all government programs not directly related to the military reveals a lack of thought. Besides, what about all those privately held companies that provide water, power, cable, and telephone services? Aren't those infrastructure? Should the government own them? By your reasoning, it should.
They are privately held companies, infrastructure in my context is roads, ports and promoting the things that enhance the economy.
On that note all federal lands would be turned back to the states. The citizens of those states own that land and all that goes with it. Well actually we citizens own all Federal lands but the FED doesn't see it that way. | |
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Posted: 5/21/2009 1:39:44 PM |
From earlier post, sorry don't know how to put stuff in boxes.
To start, type [ the word "quote" then ]
Copy the phrase you want to quote and paste it in
Type [/ the word "quote" then]
Then hit Return, and put in your response. Don't put any spaces between the bracket marks and what's inside them, or between the bracket marks and the phrase you're quoting. And don't put quotation marks around the word "quote." | |
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Posted: 5/21/2009 2:22:29 PM | My mom sent me this.... I thought is was too funny not to share.
IMPORTANT VIRUS WARNING!!!!!!
If you get an email titled "nude photos of Sarah Palin," don't open it. It
could contain a virus.
If you get an email titled "nude photos of Nancy Pelosi," don't open it. It
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Posted: 5/21/2009 4:41:50 PM |
Declare California bankrupt and renegotiate all contracts. New York did it and came back stronger than ever.
I agree with this. We might as well call it what it is. | |
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Posted: 5/21/2009 4:44:33 PM |
I agree 100%. The citizens in general are woefully apathetic and uninformed.
If the extent of our collective understanding is: "Market good, government bad," then yes indeed, we are woefully uninformed. | |
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Posted: 5/21/2009 4:45:44 PM |
Ace I wouldn't say we need to eliminate them completely but they are bloated and out of control and need to be reduced to a minimum. Also if it can be done cheaper at the state level then it should be eliminated at the FED, and the reverse. For every dollar we send to DC we get back 33 cents and crappy regs. One of the first things I would do is take education out of the hands of the feds, this has been a miserable failure through many administrations. Leave it up to the locals.
Basically Ace I am for anything that would put the FED back in its proper place and minimize it.
Fair enough. | |
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Posted: 5/21/2009 5:58:26 PM | Let's get rid of all that mulitlingual, multicultural stuff. Ya, and lay off all of the wanna be multiculural theory programed folks and give those important jobs to real mixed people with a solid understanding of POSITIVE and PRODUCTIVE multiculturalism, from first hand experience (like me).
Lets vote!
Us mixed folk are living bridges, authentic peacemakers if you will, between cultures but does anyone want to listen to us? Nope, unless we studied at Berkeley, they certainly do not. To listen to a comfortable mixed person would undermine much of what's been written about multiculturalism and those silly little invasive self assessment questions that plant the seeds of racism by forcing others to "recall when the first time you noticed that your race was different than others..." What a bunch of theoretical baloney for the most part...don't get me started here...lol.
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Posted: 5/21/2009 6:50:40 PM |
If the extent of our collective understanding is: "Market good, government bad," then yes indeed, we are woefully uninformed.
Government always is less efficient than the market. There is no doubt about it. History is replete with examples. Now they want to nationalize banks, automobile business, etc.
Those bums aren't qualified to run a hot dog stand. | |
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