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| Right wing radio host gets waterboarded for 7 seconds. Admits it is torture
Posted: 10/5/2009 9:54:07 AM | | There is a problem with locking up our Al Quaeda/Taliban captives with regular criminals (Ordinary Decent Criminals as the Brits call them). They tend to proselytize those locked up alongside them, and feed off their feelings of disenfranchisement. Apparently gangbangers are willing to give up pork and liquor in exchange for a pass on beating women, and the right to strike at the government that imprisons them... | |
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| Right wing radio host gets waterboarded for 7 seconds. Admits it is torture
Posted: 10/5/2009 6:05:20 PM | ^^^
We have about 12 of them locked up in Colorado Super max.....
Remember the blind guy and the one caught at the Canadian border with bombs....
Not much contact.... 23 hour a day lock down....
Not too much to worry about .....
The argument that there is no place to put these guys is really dumb... | |
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| Right wing radio host gets waterboarded for 7 seconds. Admits it is torture
Posted: 10/6/2009 5:44:36 AM | "Actually I love it. However, our constitution does not apply in foreign countries."
Well, our prisoners are either criminal terrorists on American soil or they're prisoners of war. In the former, they get the protection of the Constitution as criminals... in the latter they are granted the protections of the Geneva Convention which our Constitution says is law since we signed it.
Never mind General Pershing and pork... why don't we just take their clothes, shave their heads, pull their teeth, gas them to death and cremate them in ovens? We could have our own final solution... since they're not afforded the protections of our Constitution... according to you. | |
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| Right wing radio host gets waterboarded for 7 seconds. Admits it is torture
Posted: 10/6/2009 1:27:36 PM |
Well, our prisoners are either criminal terrorists on American soil or they're prisoners of war. In the former, they get the protection of the Constitution as criminals... in the latter they are granted the protections of the Geneva Convention which our Constitution says is law since we signed it.
The fact is that they are enemy combatants (AKA terrorists), not members of a countrys army so they are not entitled to coverage under the Geneva convention. They are also located in CUBA where the US Constitution does not apply.
Therefore they are not entitled to either protection under the Geneva convention or the US Constitution. Being a terrorist precludes that. | |
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| Right wing radio host gets waterboarded for 7 seconds. Admits it is torture
Posted: 10/6/2009 1:47:29 PM | "Extraordinary renditions" are morally wrong and violate U.S. and international law. The U.S. ratified the UN Convention Against Torture and adopted legislation to help implement the treaty obligations through the Foreign Affairs Reform and Restructuring Act of 1998 ("FARRA"). The Torture Convention prohibits nations from deporting persons to a country where there is substantial grounds to believe that torture will occur. FARRA states: "It shall be the policy of the United States not to expel, extradite, or otherwise affect the involuntary return of any person to a country in which there are substantial grounds for believing the person would be in danger of being subjected to torture, regardless of whether the person is physically present in the United States."
The United Nations Convention Against Torture, ratified by the United States in 1987, clearly states that "no exceptional circumstances whatsoever, whether a state of war or a threat of war, internal political instability or any other public emergency, may be invoked as a justification of torture."
In 1994, Congress passed a federal anti-torture statute (18 U.S.C. 2340A).
"Whoever outside the United States commits or attempts to commit torture shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both, and if death results to any person from conduct prohibited by this subsection, shall be punished by death or imprisoned for any term of years or for life."
In 1996, Congress passed The War Crimes Act (18 U.S.C. 2441) which made it a criminal offense for U.S. military personnel and U.S. nationals to commit war crimes as specified in the 1949 Geneva Conventions.
A hell of a lot of law's are being broken. | |
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| Right wing radio host gets waterboarded for 7 seconds. Admits it is torture
Posted: 10/9/2009 4:50:13 PM | OP, I'm glad I came across this post. I've long thought that those who believe waterboarding is not torture should be subjected to it themselves.
One of my friends who is in the military reminds me that if we torture captives, we can expect our own people to be tortured if they are captured. After all, if these activities are not torture and we do them to our prisoners, we can't complain if someone does them to us, can we? | |
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| Right wing radio host gets waterboarded for 7 seconds. Admits it is torture
Posted: 10/10/2009 2:40:59 PM | "They are also located in CUBA where the US Constitution does not apply.
Therefore they are not entitled to either protection under the Geneva convention or the US Constitution. Being a terrorist precludes that."
Guantanemo is soverign U.S. territory... sorry. Do you think if a U.S. soldier commits a crime there that we won't prosecute him because it borders on Cuba?
And alas... the Third Geneva Convention, Article 4... does not state that combatants have to be members of a country's army... nor does it require them to wear a particular uniform... nor does it require them to have rank... and i quote...
4.1.3 Members of armed forces who profess allegiance to an authority not recognized by the Detaining Power.
4.1.6 Any inhabitants of a territory, who on the approach of the enemy spontaneously take up arms to resist the invading forces...
Sorry... but this has become an illegal internment camp. | |
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| Right wing radio host gets waterboarded for 7 seconds. Admits it is torture
Posted: 10/19/2009 9:37:55 PM | Indiscriminate torture(as a means of extracting a confession) should not be conducted across the board.
It should be reserved for special cases such as extracting vital information from 'Big-Fish' caught (high ranking members clearly culpable ...such as Sheikh K. Muhamed) and who are reluctant in giving (correct) answers when interrogated.
Its such notorious individuals whose activities and involvement are not disputable.....and who possess invaluable information that may save countless lives (if obtained).
If SKM knew that he would not be subject to torture (rather quickly), there would be no reason for him to divulge secret information...at least not immediately, if at all!
Thus torture should be reserved only for special cases in which the individual is a known participant, and whose rank allows him the privilege of having the type of information that low level drones are not apt to have. | |
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| Right wing radio host gets waterboarded for 7 seconds. Admits it is torture
Posted: 10/23/2009 5:29:38 AM |
I have no issue torturing those observed fighting us on the battlefield. Same with those that give $$.
So you took the time to clarify that you would only observe those who are not on your side. What a relief. That makes it all ok.
You know that man you hate? You look more like him everyday. Truer words were never spoken. | |
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| Right wing radio host gets waterboarded for 7 seconds. Admits it is torture
Posted: 10/23/2009 6:23:15 PM | A few things to consider about torture:
1) The "confessions" it produces are dubious. Look, if this guy gave up after 7 seconds - under real circumstances he'd probably say "anything" to get them to stop. Unless he chose to die. Waterboarding does not "simulate" drowning, it *is* drowning, slow and controlled.
2) We are signatories to the Geneva Convention and have agreed not to torture.
3) If we start torturing prisoners, then we have no grounds to object if others torture *our* people when they are held prisoner.
For all these reasons, many military people oppose torture. | |
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