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Travan
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Joined: 11/23/2008
Msg: 26 | |
| Cannabis.... Would you encourage or discourage?
Posted: 6/1/2009 8:15:47 AM | As pointed out elsewhere caffeine, nicotine, alcohol etc are all considered drugs.
When I was in Uni I was told that canabis was only illegal due to political reasons (money, backhanders etc) but I don't thnk it's just the legality of it that counts, cos we all break some law at some time.
For me it's the same as someone who relies on alcohol, I don't want to live with someone like that. I've stopped smoking so no I wouldn't enjoy living with a smoker. But there are loads of natural products which when eaten fresh or prepared a little can give you a high, low etc.
For me the use of any drug no matter what it is, is about the persons lifestyle. If they need it as a prop then they're not a balanced enough person for me. I'm not talking about the odd time I'm on about regular usage.
Yes some want to experiment and some want the odd binge on the drug of their choice but anything remotely habitual through necessity or ignorance turns me off. Been there done it don't wanna do it again thanks.
I would not necessarily encourage cannabis or alcohol or anything else for that matter but I would discourage young kids fro excessive use of anything, including McD's. | |
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| Cannabis.... Would you encourage or discourage?
Posted: 6/1/2009 8:21:18 AM |
I can't even cope with Nitrous Oxide
Hey, my car loves that on the drag strip, does that make her a druggy? 
O.T. I would not encourage anyone to try drugs. The main reason being that it is illegal, & I wouldn't want to be responsible for anyone breaking the law.
If they were around my age I would assume they had tried them at some stage in the past and didn't like them, so to try again later in life would be pointless I feel.
If they were young then I would actively discourage them from trying drugs. There may well be a couple of good things associated with taking them for some individuals, but many more reasons not to. | |
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| Cannabis.... Would you encourage or discourage?
Posted: 6/1/2009 8:57:13 AM | i've never smoked cannabis of any shape or form, don't want to, it doesn't appeal to me. i would never stop anyone from doing it or trying it,
after doing quite a bit of research into it, its quite fair to say, that a joint every now and then won't do any long term dammage, just as much as one or two drinks wont hurt you and a hamberger from micky D's every now and then wont make you fat.
its when the "enjoyement" turns to "abuse", just like alcohol, it can knacker your system.
it has some good sides as it relaxes people, its quite a harmless drug, it rarely has side effects (unless you consider the munchies and giggles side effects) and as stated, the occasional whitey depending on your tolerence.
it does have downsides, long term abuse can lead to psychosis and has been linked to brain shrinkage.
like trying a new hobby, getting a new car. just find out about it first.
Also travan is spot on, it does have medicinal use, but goverments are to fixated on the fact its a "drug" to let it be explored, they have only reacently let pharmisutical companys start toying about with a group of compounds called "canabiloids" and they have had some really positive effects. the main one THC, is the part of the canabis plant that is banned, this is the bit that mainly contributes to the "high" but ironicaly is also the main part accociated with the medicinal use. THC needs to be concentrated in an oil for it to be of any use, so smoking sh!tloads of weed wouldn't have any real benefit in medicinal terms.
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Joe1uk
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Joined: 4/21/2009
Msg: 29 | |
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| Cannabis.... Would you encourage or discourage?
Posted: 6/1/2009 2:07:17 PM | I think cannabis heightens your senses and so for me (as I can only speak for me) the pleasure of being touched, the things you hear, the things you smell and taste are all enhanced. If you are quite a sensual or hedonistic person it can be quite something to have that all encompassing stimulation and to be honest I've never come close to the same experiences with drink or with nothing. I've never partaken of any other drugs so couldn't comment on them being potentially better or worse than cannabis for this. The only way I can describe it is a truly consuming and all encompassing tantilisation of all of the senses.
Whilst I still enjoy the sexual experience and listening to music and eating ice lollies without cannabis it is not as good. I don't smoke anymore and sometimes I do miss that feeling but I can't recreate it any other way - sometimes having had a bit of a good drink comes a tiny bit close.
I'm glad I've experienced it and wouldn't change a thing. I wouldn't encourage or discourage anyone to try it or not to try it I'd suggest that people make up their own minds about what they do.
I've smoked cannabis on and off since I was about 19 and have never felt that I had to have it as in a nicotine craving, for me it has been more like alcohol, I had it when I fancied it and if there was some about. Sometimes I'd go through periods of smoking it every day and others I'd go years without doing it - very similar to my drinking habits to be fair. Now I do neither at all but that could change, I'll never say never.
I'm a professional, respectable woman and have smoked cannabis in the company of other professionals as well as with student types in my younger days. | |
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| Cannabis.... Would you encourage or discourage?
Posted: 6/1/2009 2:12:59 PM |
Whilst I still enjoy the sexual experience and listening to music and eating ice lollies without cannabis it is not as good. I don't smoke anymore and sometimes I do miss that feeling but I can't recreate it any other way - sometimes having had a bit of a good drink comes a tiny bit close. Now, your bigging it up so much, please, explain why you no longer smoke cannabis? | |
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| Cannabis.... Would you encourage or discourage?
Posted: 6/1/2009 2:33:09 PM | Because I stopped smoking cigarettes because it was time to get rid of that horrid smell and get my nice white teeth back and stop polluting the atmosphere around me and I figured that I would have to stop smoking anything if I was to fully succeed.
I am fearful that if I had a joint I would be very likely to follow it with a cigarette (which was my former practice/habit) so chose to abstain from both in order to ensure that I have the best chance of not smoking another cigarette as long as I live.
I was never one for a pipe or any other method of inhaling or consuming cannabis so it's a joint or nothing, and so it's nothing.
I wasn't bigging it up, I was explaining (as invited by the OP) how much I liked it and what it used to do for me - me being the operative word here I think. | |
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| Cannabis.... Would you encourage or discourage?
Posted: 6/1/2009 2:35:45 PM |
So would you encourage me to try Marijuana or would you tell me it wasn't worth the bother?
No, I would tell you to buy your own and make your own decision, I am a smoker, not a dealer or supplier, and to encourage anyone to partake in my eyes is as good as dealing/supplying | |
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| Cannabis.... Would you encourage or discourage?
Posted: 6/1/2009 2:40:10 PM | I am sorry but I think your premise is flawed, because you can always cop out and say it is illegal. I would not encourage anyone to do or try anything. But if Marijuana was regulated, I know people turn other people on, it may have happened once in my youth but after 20 years I am now innocent. I remember lighting a pipe and handing it to then home coming queen at a Rush concert she handed it back to me after a couple of hits,right when a policeman walked by, I John Wayned it, took it, thought oh hell if I am busted, I am busted, but I was NOT gonna let the chick get nailed her first time or 1000th time high, and yes I turned people on who I thought were cool,That is kinda how it was in the seventies, you turned people on who you thought were gonna be cool and just ignored the people that needed to do it a lot the most. History kinda shows it is a social pleasure as well as medicinal. I don't use it, I did use it, I did like it, I might be enticed to do it again ya never know. So you don't won't and didn't, is that supposed to mean something?
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| Cannabis.... Would you encourage or discourage?
Posted: 6/1/2009 3:38:35 PM | PAUL McCARTNEY
STEVE JOB
RICHARD BRANSON
BILL CLINTON
The list would go ON and ON and ON
Total fcuk ups right!
You're the same people who still insist that Freddie Mercury wasn't gay, or is that next, a gay bashing thread, or more Ginger bashing.
In fact all you antis, have a look at your profiles, in fact have a look around your house, your record collections, your dvd collections, and throw out anything that is tainted by the evils of marijuana. Now go out to your garage cus some of you are going to have to trash your cars too.
The majority of the arts / design have been inspired by mar IJUA na, and I bet every one of you have been humming along to a tune at some point that was inspired through the use of it. You are all tainted by it, ergo you have all supported it.
SHAME ON YOU!
And I wondered when the last thread or this one would get to the "Your kids" bit. Well I wish some of the best of luck with your one sided naive viewpoint when speaking to a teenager who thinks he knows everything, they will laugh in your face at your Daily Mail spew fest. Why is it that the majority of Drug Counselors are ex-addicts? Because they know what they are talking about, unlike most of you.
Declassify it, legalise it. Use the revenue for better health care, de-tox clinics for all. We have the model, Holland, and we were getting there, we were moving towards it with declassification, and then you lot piped up again didn't you, the angry mob, driven on by fleet street with their ignorant scare mongering and you buy it all, you still do, you are at it here again on this thread, as in the last. Suddenly the politicians were shitting themselves, and all rational debate was lost, suddenly, apart from good old Glenda Jackson, no one had ever inhaled in their lives!
It is people like YOU that keep it in the hands of the criminals, keep it underground, take it away from them, and YOUR kids wont have access to it unless they are 18, 21, and by then they will be able to make informed choices.
But you lot keep on, that's it, go on, look for your scapegoats and never look at the bigger picture YOU are to blame.
And yes Pants, this is a redundant thread, and yes pants I would sit down with you & chat to you about it, and I would go out and get some and have a smoke with you, although I could never skin up very well and would go for a pipe. Exactly as I did a number of years ago with a mum who's teenage son had become an addictive user. Her Daily Mail tactics were not working. Once she knew what she was dealing with, and wasn't listening to the kind of bollox that is already on, and will be on this thread, and was rife on the last, things changed.
Her son re-sat his A's, went on to Uni, and is doing fine. Mum has never touched it again since. To use an anology that you might connect with Pants, you can theorise all you like but until you feel that elastic pulling, you don't know what it's like (she will know what I mean).
IMHO
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| Cannabis.... Would you encourage or discourage?
Posted: 6/1/2009 4:21:50 PM | Ok here's an ex's point of view. I'll write a shortened version of what I told my teen.
Yes the effects of dope can be amazing, the awareness takes on another level, touch tingles, sound vibrates on another dimension, music is amazing stoned as is sex ... no doubt about any of this, and I'm not going to deny it.
HOWEVER there is a particular gene in the body, or a particular personality, or however you want to put it that reacts very badly to dope, and it causes very scary and traumatising side effects such as paranoia, psychosis, depression and others. Whether you have this gene/personality is a lottery, you just don't know and if you do have it the consequences are life threatening. If you have family with this gene/personality then you are very likely to have it, thus increasing the chance of dope ruining your life. Some people are ok on dope, other's aren't. (Anyone who smokes it and denies any of what I've said may wish to talk to me about my experience of it.) My teen doesn't smoke dope. She understands what I've told her and has decided she'd rather not hedge her bets.
By the way ... I've found that meditation gets me to the same place as a spliff did. | |
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| Cannabis.... Would you encourage or discourage?
Posted: 6/1/2009 4:35:31 PM | I'd encourage people to try most things once especially something as hotly contested as "drugs".
If people don't want t o thats fine, butfor many people it probably isnt good enough to just come up with some lame excuse for your fear . EG it doesnt appeal to me... - love to hear some peoples bullshit excuses !
Your greatest risk of "starting up someone on" de erb is that they might end up becoming addicted to nicotine if they suddenly start smoking joints.
Better off trying it with a few decent bongs if you are not a smoker. a 100% erb joint wont do you any harm.
My conscience would be totally clear. You have a greater risk than if I was to recommend you tried peanuts. If you happened to have a peanut allergy, or ate yourself to death on peanuts that wouldn't be my fault.
The arguments that drug use leads to hard drug abuse is a bit like saying if you eat a lettuce you will end up getting fat because you'll move on to eating 30 Big Macs a day.
While you are at it - try some magic mushrooms.....
The benefits only you can decide, but if you do anything for fun or just for the experience so many others rave about ,thats a good place to start. OFC remember all those people that drink ... did they all enjoy that first sip of wine/beer/vodka or did they do it because they thought they had to to be part of a crowd ? | |
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| Cannabis.... Would you encourage or discourage?
Posted: 6/1/2009 4:39:29 PM |
Yes the effects of dope can be amazing, the awareness takes on another level, touch tingles, sound vibrates on another dimension, music is amazing stoned as is sex ... no doubt about any of this, and I'm not going to deny it.
Anyone got a spliff now!
did you really have to ask??????
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Joe1uk
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Joined: 4/21/2009
Msg: 43 | |
| Cannabis.... Would you encourage or discourage?
Posted: 6/1/2009 4:51:59 PM | I'm against it being legalised jats for the simple reason the government will tax the hell out of it.I'm sure you'll have an answer as to why that wont matter.
I doubt weed has had any influence on the things in my palace , theres not a lot pointy things in here only the knifes and forks. Lots of round curvy things influenced by clover leaves I think. | |
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| Cannabis.... Would you encourage or discourage?
Posted: 6/1/2009 5:02:50 PM | | Apparently less young people in the Netherlands use cannabis than in the Uk. It's an interesting subject, not just about cannabis but the way the Netherlands deals with their addict population, it is very different to how people are treated over here. | |
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| Cannabis.... Would you encourage or discourage?
Posted: 6/1/2009 5:05:57 PM | | not forgeting its used in a few religions as well..some sects of hinduism..rastafarians..etc if people wanna smoke it..leave them to it..its there choice..everyone to there own thing.. | |
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| Cannabis.... Would you encourage or discourage?
Posted: 6/1/2009 5:31:10 PM | | i dabbled in the weed about 20 odd years ago..i was never ever a heavy user of it and aint used it much since..i stopped out of choice..it just lost its appeal to me..but if i still was a smoker..i wouldnt give 2 fecks what anyone on this forum thought about me..i can assure you that now.. live and let live..thats what i say anyway.. | |
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| Cannabis.... Would you encourage or discourage?
Posted: 6/1/2009 5:49:47 PM | If you younger than me at least and an adult - if you haven't taken any recreational drugs (or spent significant amounts of time in environments where a lot of people do/did) you have missed out on your generations major social trends/culture.
Rightly or wrongly the wide scale availabilty of recreational drugs, their acceptance and the popular culture, music, trends of recent generations make them the norm.
PS
Sort out the Talliban in no time. Legalise - get the Afghans producing weed instead of heroin... hmm needs a bit more analysis that one
Or /and
Transport all heroin addicts to Afghanistan, pay for their heroin and legalise heroin production in Afghanistan for the purposes of their "treatment"
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| Cannabis.... Would you encourage or discourage?
Posted: 6/1/2009 5:51:35 PM | Yes I Do have an answer for it Josh, Sure Tax the hell out of it, that's the whole POINT!!!! it will still be cheaper than what you pay for it on the street and better quality & better graded. Coffee shops, there's the answer to the "Poor Pubs" thread and "we cant have a fag indoors" thread too. That Tax could then pay for education and treatment, poured back into the NHS. In fact Tax the hell out of a lot more things, 60% tax all round, but that's another thread.
look at Hanneke's (the enlightened Dutchwomans) post, how could a "I have no opinion" be so Valid. No stigma attached to it see! Through Education. We can learn a hell of a lot from the Dutch about Sex Education too!
And Swan, that is the best anti argument I have heard so far, thank you, although right at the end there you state that medication has substituted it, as would booze, therefore reinforcing that it is not necessarily the cannabis at fault, it is merely a trigger to some with that disorder, and quite often only a trigger due to the previous use of class A's, particularly ectasy ( I have a load of bumf somewhere about it, can't remember the term). And it's only the argument for people with that gene, but spot on.
Anyway, crack on with your finger pointing y'all! | |
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Joe1uk
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Joined: 4/21/2009
Msg: 50 | |
| Cannabis.... Would you encourage or discourage?
Posted: 6/1/2009 6:26:19 PM | | Personally I'm a strong believer that if something made illegal it becomes naughty to do it and naughty is exciting and fun so we do it. So maybe legalising it would make sense. But making booze cheaper and more freely available has had a negative effect and caused binge drinking. But then that's of topic. | |
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