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 Paulinemab

Joined: 2/12/2009
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Posted: 6/26/2009 2:57:55 AM

To anyone that posted with "I've never tried it" etc, don't post in this thread, why are you posting comments on something you know nothing about?? You're just opinionated busy bodies who have nothing to base their opinion on.



Really? Such as addiction workers who don't use substances themselves or people who have experiences of addiction in their own families? Just because people don't use substances doesn't mean that their lives haven't been touched by drugs.
Even if theirs haven't that doesn't mean they aren't entitled to an opinion. So only people who smoke cannabis can have an opinion on it? I've got a post grad in alcohol and drug studies, I've been working with people who use drugs for 14 years, I've worked in drug rehabs. I've also known people who smoked cannabis day in day out for years at a time and who couldn't give it up. I also live somewhere that is full of people who use and unfortunately deal drugs. But even if none of those things applied to me, I'd still be entitled to post.

You don't need personal experience of every subject on this board to be able to post on it. Just because someone doesn't smoke cannabis, don't make the mistake that they know nothing about it, or drugs.

It would be a sad day if to be able to make a post on here about something, you had to have personal experience of the subject matter.
 minnx

Joined: 10/10/2008
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Posted: 6/26/2009 3:18:30 AM

What are their opinions based on?
Knowledge?
Experience?
No, it's based upon nothing. You know what I do if I don't know enough about something? I keep my mouth shut



Experience/reason/logic/judgement/knowledge have never been prerequisites for posting in this forum. The wide range of views, from the sublime to the ridiculous, are what makes the forum interesting and sparks the debate.

Quite frankly some of the more 'informed' posts in the forum (not this thread) from apparently knowledgeable people sometimes make my blood boil with their lack of compassion and sensitivity, but if that is their opinion they have the right to air it. And those of us who are stupid also have the right to air our ill informed opinions.

As far as I'm concerned no poster has the right to tell others not to post.

OT : No experience of cannabis, and no interest. I have my own vices, caffeine and nicotine, so each to their own as far as I'm concerned.
 Paulinemab

Joined: 2/12/2009
Msg: 126
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Posted: 6/26/2009 3:32:53 AM

Paulinemab - My posts really aren't directed at you or Mr whitey, you have experience and knowledge of the subject . It was directed at people who have no experience or knowledge but choose to post their opinion anyway


People are entitled to post whatever they like, whether it's factual or not. There is a lot of conflicting research/evidence around drugs and a lot of common misconceptions.
You may also find that some people who have used drugs in the past and been through rehab are very staunchly anti drugs, however it's their right not to share any personal info with other forum users. The point I was making is, you actually don't know what someones experience is unless they tell you and I would never presume just because someone disagreed with me on a subject that their lives hadn't been touched by said subject.

As the poster above said, anyone has a right to post on the boards, they don't need knowledge or experience to post on this thread and they don't have to.
As you said, you can experience something indirectly so what makes you think that certain people posting on here haven't?

People aren't being asked to be experts on this subject, the original question was from someone asking about negative connotations of putting drug use on her profile, you don't need to be a cannabis smoker to have an opinion on that one.

People can have an opinion on all sorts of subjects, none of them they need to experience beforehand and they are perfectly entitled to post on here.

Edit, you are correct, I'm obviously still half asleep at the moment, however, if we start telling people they can or can't post on an internet forum about certain subjects, it just becomes a debate between people who have shared certain experiences and what on earth is the point in that?

Neither does not having done something and having an opinion necessarily make someone a busybody.



 ~Leannie~

Joined: 11/12/2008
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Posted: 6/26/2009 3:34:58 AM

People aren't being asked to be experts on this subject, the original question was from someone asking about negative connotations of putting drug use on her profile, you don't need to be a cannabis smoker to have an opinion on that one.


that wasn't the original question of this thread....that was a completely different thread.
 lynx-1950

Joined: 6/22/2009
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Posted: 6/26/2009 7:31:10 AM

Not true, In my experience most dealer only deal in one or two drugs of a similar type, weed dealers deal weed, coke dealers deal coke etc...


Perhaps thats right but it does introduce them to a drug culture so they will come into contact with people they may not otherwise have met. Just been chatting to my son who is a recovering heroin addict and he says he was introduced to a hard drugs dealer through his weed dealer.
 kazzadred

Joined: 3/23/2009
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Posted: 6/26/2009 11:56:47 AM
Ok, if the answer to the original question is what's wanted, if my children asked me, I personally would discourage it. That's because a lot of the people I know who have smoked it regularly after trying it have blamed their subsequent inertia on it.

If they didn't smoke it in the first place they'd have to find something else to blame their laziness on wouldn't they? Perhaps the massive amounts of alcohol that they might drink at the same time?

I smoked quite a lot of it during my last year of school, got fed up of it and moved on like a grown up. Some didn't. Most people will try it at some point. If they are that kind of personality they will become 'addicted', to that or something else - if not, they won't. Simple. I think! :-S

 Willie B Hardigan

Joined: 6/22/2009
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Posted: 7/1/2009 9:52:17 AM
A study in Jamaica found that children whose mothers gave them marijuana tea every morning did better in school as a group, as compared to the non-marijuana tea group.
 anime_kid

Joined: 11/27/2008
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Posted: 7/1/2009 10:03:07 AM
I used to smoke weed alot and I mean alot, I know its hard to get addicted to and through my 3 years continous smoking I never got addicted, its more of a lifestyle and you feel you need it when life gets slow or you get bored.
Now it done me alot of harm but I was to wasted to actually realise what it was doing to me, I lost my son, lost countless jobs and lost contact with members of my family plus it has severly effected my memory, One of my friends is still very much into it and cannot function normally without a smoke, by function normally I mean she get very stressed and angry if she hasnt had her daily spliff, she argues with anyone over the smallest things and has destroyed countless amounts of her own possesions in hissy fits throwing them at her b/f and myself when she gets over stressed.
Im now clean havent touched it in well coming up to 8 months now and since doing so I am now part of my sons life, able to hold down a job and re-engaged with members of my family.
My advice try it if you want but be very wary of what your doing its easy to get hooked on it and not even know it and it will slowly destroy your llife
 +joe+

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Posted: 8/27/2009 9:49:44 AM
As with anything in life you either wanna give it ago or you dont ..... I for one partake in the odd joint or two and if im honest if im in the company of people that like a smoke will puff like a chimney ........Ive seen the benefits of marijuana and have experienced the lethargy of its effects also ........pretty much like any drug alcohol included if you try it and like it and it does"nt impact on your everyday then fine but if you progress to the point where IT is the sole focus of your life youve got it all wrong ......
On the sex subject ////yeah it can enhance sensation and personally its like viagra which can be in misplaced if not reciprocated .....but then again drink can also free your inhibitions ....Interestingly my sons friend recalled a story about how whilst in UTAH [a devout mormon state of America ] they were enchanted and enthralled by the effects of alcohol and questioned him constantly as to what its like .....
Pants im sure you and mr pants have fab sex and to suggest that without smoke your missing summit is bollox ....MY advice is if youve got this far in life without it why bother ......For me ....Too muchalcohol turns me into something im not smoke gets me stoned .....nuff said
 ami2oldfrit

Joined: 5/25/2009
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Posted: 8/28/2009 7:51:40 AM
yeah go for it, i've smoked since i was 14, but remember to be careful, its like using alcohol, theres a right time and a right place but most importantly theres THE RIGHT AMOUNT! give me a ring and i'll sort you out!lol
 ami2oldfrit

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Posted: 8/28/2009 7:54:13 AM
yeah but it was your son that chose harder drugs!
 ~*chelle~shock*~

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Posted: 8/29/2009 7:45:57 PM
To be honest I was looking forward to a good smoke tonight whilst catching up with an old friend, It must be at least ten years since I touched the stuff. Then this friend confided in me and told me that she was smoking it on a daily basis and couldn't live without it. It was ruining her life. I selfishly was a bit gutted and thought "hey ho there goes my one off night of madness" but there's no way I could have gone and had a smoke with her after her telling me that this had become her lifestyle and not through choice at this point but through need to get through her day. In the end am glad I didn't join her - I'd rather help her change her life if she's willing to try seeing as she's so unhappy now. What has happened to the world today. Why do I bump into so many people when I'm out and about on the pub scene who have no confidence until they've had a line in the bogs!
 faithfey

Joined: 2/16/2008
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Posted: 9/1/2009 12:41:01 PM
Discourage it simply because of the strong links between the modern hydrophonically grown stuff now available in most of the UK and poor mental health, upto and including full blown pyschosis (sp?). As I understand it, the organically "naturally" grown plant of previous generations was far less potent.

It does has medicinal qualities, BUT these are at present poorly researched as to their benefits. The victims of the contraindications however can be seen on NHS mental health wards across the country. Any "medicine" natural or manmade has to be taken with full knowledge of it's effects, and we just know too little about who is likely to experience permanently destroyed mental health at present. I consider it too great a risk to endorse, especially to the young whose brains may not be fully developed. It takes until around age 25 for male brains to fully mature.

If it's strong enough to alleviate the symptoms of MS for example it is able to do some pretty major stuff to our nervous system. Unbiased non-profit driven clinical trials are needed. How does it affect the healthy, the young or those suffering genetic predisposition to other conditions?

I know that mine is not a fashionable opinion.
 accylad09

Joined: 8/20/2009
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Posted: 9/1/2009 1:17:36 PM
I've smoked it for years I'll keep it short and simple...

From my own personal experiance
The good... Cannabis relaxes me, helps me sleep if I can't, calms me down when I'm on drugs and sometimes helps me cope with work and normality and stress.

The bad... Cannabis made me lazy, paranoid, lost my self confidence, turned me into a muppet at one point and I've lost jobs over it.

Cannabis is fine to use not really much of a drug if your only smoking it short term it's fine it's when you been smoking it for years like me it does eventually catch up on you making you paranoid, headaces, lose sense of reality and motivation that's what it did with me so now I keep to a joint every now and again like once a week...
 person l

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Posted: 9/2/2009 8:18:10 AM
It causes bad memory and I've forgotten what I was going to post
 person l

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Posted: 9/2/2009 8:30:08 AM

So would you encourage me to try Marijuana or would you tell me it wasn't worth the bother?


As an ex user of cannabis , I would not try talk anybody out of trying it nor encourage anybody. IMO it will only effect a short percentage of people , just as any drug would, in regards to mental health and psychological dependency, every individual is different. I know people who have smoked it for 30 years with no visible mental or physical problems, and also heard of some who totally lose control. although in that respect perhaps they had dormant underlaying problems beforehand.

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 woopdewoop

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Posted: 9/2/2009 3:37:14 PM
As someone who has a lot of times on a variety of substances i'd never encourage anyone to try any illegal drug, but if asked id always give an opinion as to its effects, and any judgements of long term effects on people. Of course any substance has a long term effect on people and yes people do form addictions to a huge variety of substance, legal or not. Speaking for myself I have a good career with long term prospects, and dont feel at the moment that it effects my mentatlity or way of life particularly....... Although I do like the quirkier side of life but I've met many people who like that side of life who are non users of any substance.

As far as whether any moral judgement should be passed, then no, I'm afraid im a leftie liberal with pretty open views on most things, as far as drugs are concerned, its my body, let me the judge of it. As far as legality goes, i think the time to legalise and legislate has come, and as far as we should be concerned about health implications then we'd be much better turning attention to 'legal' highs that fall within the boundaries of legislation..... These are often concoctions thought up by entrepeneurs operating within grey areas of the law and clearly have the appeal as you cannot be arrested for them and they are readily available, often with no research on long term effects as they simply have not been available to the market long enough to have any understanding off, which is now not the case with a number of illegal substances, as we are now in the the second or third generations of families with past user histories.

People will always experiment, some people it doesnt suit, some people will not want to...... all very understandable. But to negate the fact that substance abuse has brought around some of the greatest artist, literists and thinkers of the human race, and to not consider what part they may play in other cultures as well as our own, would be a crime.
 *~*Posh*~*

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Posted: 9/3/2009 5:40:54 AM

But to negate the fact that substance abuse has brought around some of the greatest artist, literists and thinkers of the human race, and to not consider what part they may play in other cultures as well as our own, would be a crime.


An excellent point and one that will be ignored, as to admit to this, would be to admit that the enhancement of the mind/imagination which occurs then allows the positive to come to the fore, not the negative, unfortunately people find it hard to comprehend that there is a positive side to the use of the drug .......

 jats_99

Joined: 9/28/2007
Msg: 142
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Posted: 9/3/2009 10:23:17 AM
I copied this from the Legal Drugs thread, hope she doesn't mind, it kinda puts a new light on things, don't ya think?


Prescription drug reactions kill more than 100,000 a year
report by the Florida Medical Examiners Commission has concluded that prescription drugs have outstripped illegal drugs as a cause of death.

An analysis of 168,900 autopsies conducted in Florida in 2007 found that three times as many people were killed by legal drugs as by cocaine, heroin and all methamphetamines put together. According to state law enforcement officials, this is a sign of a burgeoning prescription drug abuse problem.

"The abuse has reached epidemic proportions," said Lisa McElhaney, a sergeant in the pharmaceutical drug diversion unit of the Broward County Sheriff's Office. "It's just explosive."

In 2007, cocaine was responsible for 843 deaths, heroin for 121, methamphetamines for 25 and marijuana for zero, for a total of 989 deaths. In contrast, 2,328 people were killed by opioid painkillers, including Vicodin and Oxycontin, and 743 were killed by drugs containing benzodiazepine, including the depressants Valium and Xanax.

Alcohol directly caused 466 deaths, but was found in the bodies of 4,179 cadavers in all.

While the number of dead bodies containing heroin jumped 14 percent from the prior year, to a total of 110, the number of deaths influenced by the painkiller oxycodone increased by 36 percent, to a total of 1,253.

Across the country, prescription drugs have become an increasingly popular alternative to the more difficult to acquire illegal drugs. Even as illegal drug use among teenagers have fallen, prescription drug abuse has increased. For example, while 4 percent of U.S. 12th graders were using Oxycontin in 2002, by 2005 that number had increased to 5.5 percent.

It's not hard for teens to come by prescription drugs, according to Sgt. Tracy Busby, supervisor of the Calaveras County, Calif., Sheriff's Office narcotics unit.

"You go to every medicine cabinet in the county, and I bet you're going to find some sort of prescription medicine in 95 percent of them," he said.

Adults can acquire prescriptions by faking injuries, or by visiting multiple doctors and pharmacies for the same health complaint. Some people get more drugs than they expect to need, then sell the extras.

"You have health care providers involved, you have doctor shoppers, and then there are crimes like robbing drug shipments," said Jeff Beasley of the Florida Department of Law Enforcement. "There is a multitude of ways to get these drugs, and that's what makes things complicated."

And while some people may believe that the medicines' legality makes them less dangerous than illegal drugs, Tuolumne County, Calif., Sheriff's Office Deputy Dan Crow warns that this is not the case. Because everybody reacts differently to foreign chemicals, there is no way of predicting the exact response anyone will have to a given dosage. That is why prescription drugs are supposed to be taken under a doctor's supervision.
http://www.truthout.org/111208HA
"All this stuff is poison," Crow said. "Your body will fight all of this stuff." Tuolumne County Health Officer Todd Stolp agreed. A prescription drug taken recreationally is "much like a firearm in the hands of someone who's not trained to use them," he said.

While anyone taking a prescription medicine runs a risk of negative effects, the drugs are even more dangerous when abused. For example, many painkillers are designed to have a delayed effect that fades out over time. This can lead recreational users to take more drugs before the old ones are out of their system, placing them at risk of an overdose. Likewise, the common practice of grinding pills up causes a large dose of drugs to hit the body all at once, with potentially dangerous consequences.

"A medication that was meant to be distributed over 24 hours has immediate effect," Stolp said.

Even more dangerous is the trend of mixing drugs with alcohol, which, like most popularly abused drugs, is a depressant.

"In the case of alcohol and drugs, one plus one equals more than two," said Tuolumne County Sheriff's Office spokesperson Lt. Dan Bressler.

Florida pays careful attention to drug-related deaths, and as such has significantly better data on the problem than any other state. But a recent study conducted by the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) suggests that the problem is indeed national. According to the DEA, the number of people abusing prescription drugs in the United States has jumped 80 percent in six years to seven million, or more than those abusing cocaine, Ecstasy, heroin, hallucinogens an inhalants put together.

Not surprisingly, there has been a corresponding increase in deaths. According to the Drug Abuse Warning Network, the number of emergency room visits related to painkillers has increased by 153 percent since 1995. And a 2007 report by the Justice Department National Intelligence Drug Center found that deaths related to the opioid methadone jumped from 786 in 1999 to 3,849 in 2004 - an increase of 390 percent.

Many experts attribute the trend to the increasing popularity among doctors of prescribing painkillers, combined with a leap in direct-to-consumer marketing by drug companies. For example, promotional spending on Oxycontin increased threefold between 1996 and 2001, to $30 million per year.

Sonora, Calif., pharmacist Eddie Howard reports that he's seen painkiller prescriptions jump dramatically in the last five years.

"I don't know that there is that much pain out there to demand such an increase," he said. The trend concerns Howard, and he tries to keep an eye out for patients who are coming in too frequently. But he admits that there is little he can do about the problem.

"When you have a lot of people waiting for prescriptions, it's hard to find time to play detective," he said.

Still, the situation makes Howard uncomfortable.

"It almost makes me a legalized drug dealer, and that's not a good position to be in," he said.
 ~*chelle~shock*~

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Posted: 9/3/2009 7:24:24 PM
My Mum died through her addiction of prescription drugs. Most of my childhood memories of her are of her illness through addiction. I even hate the thought of taking a paracetamol because of this.
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