| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 6/3/2009 2:18:24 PM |
That's all it is and if you really believe that it's smarter to let mobs mete out justice then you should pray to any god or gods you believe in that you don't ever happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time looking like somebody who might be a sexual predator.
The man just got out of jail. Not to mention this...
Police Commissioner Charles Ramsey says Carrasquillo has more than a dozen convictions. He was also previously arrested for a sex crime, but Action News is told the victim did not want to press charges.
His family says he just got out of prison two months ago, after serving six years behind bars
That's a hell of a coincidence. :) The man is a predator.
What you people are defending here is that the accusation alone is enough to warrant a severe lynching. YOU ALL will suffer if you allow this kind of mentality to flourish.
No. We will all suffer if these people are allowed to go about town doing whatever they want.
If the guy was a law abiding citizen then I would be against the mob. fact is.. he's not. | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 6/3/2009 2:19:50 PM | Hmmm, Well it dosent surprise me
but at last as someone has alraedy said two wrongs really dont make a right , maybe they make you feel a bit better but in reality it wont help at all.
That girl is still tramatized for life , not to mention in the hospital. | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 6/3/2009 2:46:41 PM |
See how civilized you are when it's your daughter that was raped.
I’m not saying that I personally would be civilized if it was my daughter. However, it does not say it was the father or the mother who did this. It was the towns people. Two completely different situations.
That said, I believe that it is a sign of the times that people are fed up with such crimes and in my opinion, convicted pedophiles and rapists should be quickly put to death. Plain and simple! At least they would get due process as all citizens are entitled to. There is no rehabilitation of sexual predators, therefore they will never be safe neighbors and nobody wants them. Our young men and women give their lives freely to defend and protect this country, why then would it be so horrible a price to ask a convicted sexual offender to RISK when they are surely aware that the acts they commit are illegal and often scar their victims for life? Barbaric? Well, we're not cutting their heads off and distributing the video..........hmmm, yet!
And this is why we have the constitutional amendment about cruel and unusually punishment, and have a standard of the punishment fitting the crime. Yes, some of us may think that some of the sentences are too lenient, but I’m sure that there are many instances and case studies and thoughts as to why the sentences are as they are. Also, yes, men and women have given their lives freely to defend our country, but that has nothing to do with this discussion.
Hey, as long as the Mob caught the right guy, lay the boots to him and give the Mob the money. Worry about the Child's rights instead of the accused Rapist. Maybe giving the citizens a free pass in some of these cases might make some think twice before they commit these crimes, as we all know not much else works.
It's a step in the right direction. Hopefully this means that people are not going to take it anymore.
why u dont think the threat of going to jail for 1 year is a big enuff deterent for these scumbags, ya me neither. what they did was probably wrong, but good for them. iam so sick and tried of these **stards doing this crap to children and then getting a slap on the wrist, and then when society ( the same people that the courts are suppossed to protect from these sickos ) strike back, then they are the victims, only in america.
Yes yes yes. This all sound familiar. String the person up before we even give him trial. The people have had enough.
I know that many people choose to disregard history, but I would seriously hope that people would consider the lynchings that took place for many years of our countries histories. I know, those were targeted at black people and were completely racial, but yet, the same arguments were used then as well. | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 6/3/2009 2:56:38 PM |
If the guy was a law abiding citizen then I would be against the mob. fact is.. he's not.
So does this mean that since he's guilty of previous crimes, then that alone justifies his attack? If that's the case then only those with pristine clean records are safe from mobs... if that's the case, why stop at this guy? Why not gang up on everyone who's been released from jail or prison and beat the hell out of them too? I sure hope, Mjodr, that your record is clean of any blemishes because otherwise, you've just justified them attacking you as well.
I'm sorry but I can't agree with that mentality. Yes..we are too lenient. Yes, Child offenders should be punished more severely. Yes, our laws and our system is not perfect. But that does NOT give us the right to take it into our own hands. If we are so unhappy with how things are done, then it's up to us to get involved and try to get the laws changed. Not go out with our clubs and our pitchforks and start lynching people and taking matters into our own hands. | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 6/3/2009 2:56:51 PM | If the guy was a law abiding citizen then I would be against the mob. fact is.. he's not.
how do we determin that..do you want to judge them on looks...on acusations, hearsay, informants, busybodys, mind readers...Should we tie them to a wooden wheel and throw them in the river...If they drown their innocent, if they float- their guilty and we hang them...
We have the BEST legal system in the world...Is it perfect, no. but if Im CHARGED with a crime I would hope that everyone follow the law till it is determind by DUE PROCESS wether Im guilty on not.
If you feel that offenders get off way to easy, then change the law...
If you(people in general) dont believe in Our laws, Law enforcement, or the courts...and are willing to take the Law into your own hands...Then you(people in general) and the offender have lots in common.
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We will all suffer if these people are allowed to go about town doing whatever they want.
Im confused is "these people"... The Mob or Offenders ? | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 6/3/2009 2:57:22 PM |
I know, those were targeted at black people and were completely racial, but yet, the same arguments were used then as well.
Targeting someone due to their race and targeting someone due to their predatory, criminal nature are two different things. Apples and oranges.
I seriously do not understand the mentality of "Stupid white people did some very bad things in our past so let's just roll over for these really bad people".
It's like the pharmacist situation in OK from another thread. Sometimes you have to do what you need to do to stay safe and keep your children safe. If that means the occasional lynched or killed criminal.. so be it. Noone forced them to commit criminal activities. They have a choice. They made the wrong one. | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 6/3/2009 3:05:25 PM |
So does this mean that since he's guilty of previous crimes, then that alone justifies his attack?
Yes, what? Do you actually thing 6 years in jail is a deterrent to doing it again? If so then how does he have over a dozen convictions? If jail is a deterrent then crime should stop, right? These people don't care about jail.
In my case. If anyone wants to lynch me over having been charged once (but not convicted) for driving on a suspended license once... sure.. that's their prerogative. I'd actually find some humor in that. 
Not go out with our clubs and our pitchforks and start lynching people and taking matters into our own hands.
Well.. if the law was doing a better job the person wouldn't be out on the streets to commit the crime that he got beat for. If the law isn't protecting us.. what else are we supposed to do. Bend over and take it? | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 6/3/2009 4:15:09 PM | | The problem with mob mentality is that it grows out of control. If left unchecked there will be vigilante justice on the same scale as the Salem witch hunts. That being said, this will not go unchecked. The young man proudly describing his part in the attack will likely be charged as well as anyone else that can be identified assaulting this man on video. They may even face civil charges from the suspect himself. I definitely agree that wth 17 prior charges, including an accusation of a previous sexual attack this man should not have been on the street . The problem here lies with our justice system and the leniency dislayed towards repeat crminalss. | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 6/3/2009 4:20:22 PM |
The attacker left/lost his glasses at the scene of the crime. All this was released on Monday...on Tuesday the tape which was taken in the vicinity of the crime was shown. The suspect (or person of interest) was wearing clothes as described by the child, matched the sketch, and had on the lost glasses.
A couple of quick questions... because something here just isn't adding up for me:
If the alleged attacker left/lost his glasses at the scene of the crime on MONDAY, how did he allegedly end up wearing those same glasses on TUESDAY?
Did he return to the scene of the crime to pick up his glasses? Was he observed doing so?
Surely anything left at the scene of the crime would have been taken into evidence, no? | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 6/3/2009 4:48:49 PM | | I hope this is actually the guy, and not just a guy who looks like the suspect. If it is actually him, a part of me is happy about what they did to him. But if its not him, and just a look alike, this is why vigilante justice can go very wrong. However, considering how many sex offenders there are out there, I don't really mind this type of vigilante justice. | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 6/3/2009 5:20:14 PM |
I don't really mind this type of vigilante justice.
then we need to stop procecuting Police for using a night stick on a suspects...I mean after a high-speed chase, they have them dead to rights...
I mean the cop has just been chasing this guy through the city streets at high speeds...a little "Stick Justice" just helps the community know that the cops have there back...its bonding and we all know we need more of that. | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 6/3/2009 6:50:57 PM | Mjodr ,
If the guy was a law abiding citizen then I would be against the mob. fact is.. he's not.
Sure but you completely missed the point. What if YOU happened to look similar to this guy and were there instead of him ? Are you seriously going to argue that it's a better to let the mob lynch you than to have the cops sort it out ? This mob might have got the right guy but it could just as easily have been you or somebody you care about. How did they actually know they had the right guy ? I doubt they asked him for identification first. Furthermore , they didn't know if he was supposed to be the actual rapist even...all they were told was that he was a "person of interest". | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 6/3/2009 7:00:05 PM |
Targeting someone due to their race and targeting someone due to their predatory, criminal nature are two different things. Apples and oranges.
Actually, there is a much more simpler connection here, however.
In the case of lynchings, people would hear about a crime, point to a black person, accuse them, and then the mob would lynch them.
In this case, the people hear about a crime, point to a guy with glasses who looks like the guy, and beat him.
If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, is it always necessarily a duck?
There are hundreds of lynched black people who would say no.
I seriously do not understand the mentality of "Stupid white people did some very bad things in our past so let's just roll over for these really bad people".
Likewise, I don't understand the mentallity of "This group of peoples' ancestors did some very bad things so we should just forget about it and pretend it never happened. Thus the reason why history has a way of repeating itself.
It's like the pharmacist situation in OK from another thread. Sometimes you have to do what you need to do to stay safe and keep your children safe. If that means the occasional lynched or killed criminal.. so be it. Noone forced them to commit criminal activities. They have a choice. They made the wrong one.
If I am given the option to do what I felt I needed to do to keep myself and my family safe, there would be 6,914,768,200+ people dead. However, even that would not keep my family safe.
There is only one sure fire way to keep yourself and your family safe. Destroy the universe. Outside of that, all you can do is be smart about things and not put yourself in a situation where something bad could happen to you. | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 6/3/2009 7:03:03 PM | | Personally..I would stand behind the ones who beat that man...the courts let these scumbags go every single time in a County in the next town..and it infuriates me to no end!! So..if we can't rely on the cops and the judge and the courts..then yes...Ithink it's cool they got him!! | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 6/3/2009 9:52:40 PM |
In this case, the people hear about a crime, point to a guy with glasses who looks like the guy, and beat him.
So you think the crowd "accidentally" picked a guy with many previous similar accusations/crimes? What are the odds of that?!
The mob mentality sometimes decreases critical thinking. But sometimes it gets it right. I guess you choose your poison. Right now, vigilantism is illegal; these mob leaders are going to be prosecuted, but I doubt it will be to the "fullest extent of the law". | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 6/3/2009 10:42:06 PM | What do you think???
I think it is a disgrace.
There are clear reasons why we don't base our justice system on pure emotion.
I have not read all of the posts here, but threads like this are often started simply as bait; a person says that they think the attack was wrong and then the next 60 posters discard all rational thought and attack the person for being "pro child rapists," etc. It is always interesting to see which posters have such profound thinking errors as to go down that road.
Well, I think the attack was wrong. And shame on those who support such things. | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 6/3/2009 10:54:42 PM | Well, let's face it, pedophalia(sp) is most definitly a mental illness. You can't tell me that anyone wants to molest kids is right in the head. And the fact is, like rapists, serial killers, etc, they have a head full of bad wiring that's really not their fault. No, it doesn't excuse the crime, but it does mitigate it. How does someone who's really ****ed up help from being ****ed up?
It's complex, because we don't want to extend these people compassion, yet it's not really their fault either. What do you do? Isolate them? For certain. Put them down? Maybe? Does someone - who is a menace to society - through no fault of their own deserve to die? We all have perspectives on it, and they're all right, and they're all wrong too.
As much as it galls me, I have to come down on the side of compassion. "Judgement is mine, sayeth the Lord." And "Which of you is without sin, that you may cast the first stone?" Yes, let's us protect ourselves, but, hard as it is, extend compassion to those who honestly don't understand better. As it says in the bible, it rains on the just and unjust alike. | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 6/3/2009 11:16:08 PM | If he really was the rapist, he got what was coming to him. Here is the problem though; I look like a guy named Mike. I've never met this "Mike" that a lot of people swear "I am". I even had to show my I.D. to a few who thought I was playing a joke on them. I drove to Mikes' hometown just for a laugh. More people wanted to talk to me and catch up on old times. One of Mikes' old girlfriends even stopped me on the street; at least she picked up that Mike had brown eyes and that mine were blue. She even had a picture of this guy. He and I could pass for brothers (Did my Mother forget to mention I had another brother?)!
I just hope this Mike lives a good, clean, life. I know getting my @ss jumped for something I didn't do would be a real bummer.
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 6/3/2009 11:44:15 PM | This poor girl suffered a horrific ordeal to say the least.
I wonder, were the people that beat the suspect sure of his identity, or were they just out to make someone pay for the crime. I hope for everyones sake that the suspect was indeed guilty. The problem with Vigilate justice is that it very often is not based upon fact, but on suspicion. I certainly hope that this suspect is guilty.
As far as what he deserves should he be found guilty? He deserves swift justice. Unfortunately no amount of punishment will absolve that poor gorl of the horrors that she endured. | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 6/4/2009 2:19:10 AM | Ah yes, vigilante justice. The ultimate sign of a civilized society. The more I read about things like this in America, the more I despair. Not only is this done, but it is condoned. My country. Once the greatest nation on earth, and still very much so in many ways, there are things that are happening in America, and seem to be supported by so many, that are the type of thing that happens in uncivilized, even third world countries: and Americans are cheering it on. You want to see this kind of thing, this kind of vigilante justice? Go to Iran, Iraq, China, and other third world nations all over the world where the vast majority of people are illiterate and ignorant, without the sophistication of truly educated people, without the self control of those who have a civilized and orderly nation in which to live and prosper....Sad...very, very sad...
If America is brought down, it will be from within, not from without. | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 6/4/2009 3:04:01 AM | | Even if this so called "man" is convicted it will really make no difference. In a year maybe two he will be out on the streets again and he will rape a child again. While I do not agree with vigilante justice I don't feel any sympathy for any pedophile. | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 6/4/2009 3:16:55 AM | It doesn't sound as if the local police were all that worried about the assault, but yes, he's got a great civil case, if he survives. There's another interesting point: if he dies, how many will be charged with murder?
Look, there were probably a couple of men who knew who they were beating and why; the rest just enjoyed the fight. Hi-fiving each other after kicking a man almost to death? These guys were getting off on the violence.
I don't doubt it was the right guy. There are too many coincidences. And I also doubt he would have got a year for that. He's got a rap sheet as long as my arm. And yes, he will have a terrible time in prison.
But was it the right thing to do? I don't think so. An anarchic society would be terrifying. If our justice system is letting us down, we must change it. It is better to work as one towards making a better democracy than work as one to destroy it. | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 6/4/2009 3:36:07 AM |
So you think the crowd "accidentally" picked a guy with many previous similar accusations/crimes? What are the odds of that?!
I live in a small province and there have been numerous false CONVICTIONS... not to mention people who spend years in jail waiting for the trials to be settled. If the legal system can get it so horribly wrong with evidence, witnesses (etc), is it such a stretch that a bunch of men hopped up on testosterone and righteous indignation would get it wrong?
Face it; they just grabbed a guy who "looked like the guy" and gave'er.
Not to mention the fact that the police could have been looking for this "person of interest" as a witness who may have seen the real perp... and these people didn't bother to get the whole story. That scares me. | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 6/4/2009 5:11:20 AM | To the poster who asked - the suspect lost his glasses on Monday at the time of the attack. The tape from the area of the scene that showed the suspect wearing the glass was from Monday before the attack, but it wasn't released until Tuesday.
The girl was released from the hospital yesterday. The suspect is expected to be charged next week with the crime, when the DNA tests come back. Since he showed up all over the TV, several (I believe it was 3) victims of unsolved sexual assaults have come forward to identify him as their attacker. One was a 15 year old girl.
I don't know that in this specific case there is much racial tension over the whole thing. The race of the child was unknown - the attacker was described as white, but turned out to be Hispanic. The grandmother appeared on TV - she was black. The "mob" seemed to be mostly black, with some Hispanics also at the scene. Nothing racial has been mentioned at all in this incident - in fact, the grandmother appeared on TV to thank the men who caught the suspect (she did not specifically thank them for beating him) and in fact, praised and thanked the Philadelphia Police Dept. for everything they had done.
The attack of the suspect was also caught on tape. You can go to any of the Philadelphia news websites (nbc10, 6abc) and see it. | |
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