| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 6/4/2009 6:51:36 AM | The problem with mob mentality is that it grows out of control. If left unchecked there will be vigilante justice on the same scale as the Salem witch hunts
no need to even go back that far, just look at the l.a. riots.. but i do agree with the other parts of your statements. look was the mob wrong, i guess so, but if the courts did there jobs he wouldnt been out on the streets. | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 6/4/2009 6:53:28 AM | Do any of you guys have kids? Come on animals have more rights than children do.
It took me 13 years to put a rapist behind bars. The state had a minimum of 20 victims identifying this person, and willing to testify, who ranged in age from 2 years old (at the time.) 5 of them being his own children. The prosecuter actually told my mother that if it would have been an animal, they could do more.
When he was finally charged with the rape of his own daughter, he was sentenced to 2- 18 month sentences. He is out today and has admitted to over 100 victims, with no plans to stop. Meanwhile my tax dollars paid for his room, board, cable tv, and medical expenses for 3 years.
Anyone who claims our legal system is so great should work to change the laws regarding crimes against children.
Spare me the bleeding hearts.
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 6/4/2009 7:12:14 AM |
Come on animals have more rights than children do.
Just to clarify, sentencing has nothing to do with the "rights" of the victims.
I understand your frustration but... statements like this:
Anyone who claims our legal system is so great should work to change the laws regarding crimes against children. don't make sense. It seems to me that those of us who are FRUSTRATED with the laws regarding crimes against children should be the ones to work toward change, no? If we leave it to those who "claim our legal system is so great" there would never be any improvement.
I hope you're joining us in the effort.
As an aside, I always have to shake my head when people complain about cable TV in prisons. It is not strictly about entertainment. It is about security. Those who want to decrease crime (against children and in general) would be much better served worrying about what rehabilitative services are available in prisons then to lament the ability to watch cable programming. But I guess that's another thread. Maybe I should start it? | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 6/4/2009 7:12:56 AM |
Do any of you guys have kids? Come on animals have more rights than children do.
It took me 13 years to put a rapist behind bars. The state had a minimum of 20 victims identifying this person, and willing to testify, who ranged in age from 2 years old (at the time.) 5 of them being his own children. The prosecuter actually told my mother that if it would have been an animal, they could do more.
When he was finally charged with the rape of his own daughter, he was sentenced to 2- 18 month sentences. He is out today and has admitted to over 100 victims, with no plans to stop. Meanwhile my tax dollars paid for his room, board, cable tv, and medical expenses for 3 years.
Anyone who claims our legal system is so great should work to change the laws regarding crimes against children.
Who said it was great? And that the law shouldn't be harder on criminals? Stop making crap up.
But, when you go to far and decide to become judge, jury and executioner based on maybes and what ifs then you are no better than those you'd hunt down. Murder doesn't stop being murder (or assault stop becoming assault) just because you feel like the victim had it coming... just like killers, rapists, etc. believe that THEIR victims had it coming. Think about it. | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 6/4/2009 7:34:02 AM | Anyone who claims our legal system is so great should work to change the laws regarding crimes against children.
Spare me the bleeding hearts.
In Illinois you can contact...these people would know what laws need to be strenghend and written.
AARDVARC.org
An Abuse, Rape and Domestic Violence Aid and Resource Collection
from aardvarc-
The lives of crime victims and family and friends of homicide victims are abruptly shattered by perpetrators. Any single crime can result in physical injury, the loss of a loved one, psychological trauma and the loss of property. Regardless of the type of crime or its degree of impact, one of the biggest devistating feelings all victims experience is a loss of the sense of personal control over their lives. | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 6/4/2009 12:05:27 PM | Reading of this happening does not surprise me any ... but does bring up mixed emotions. Part of me wants to cheer and say "he got what he deserved", but part of me really hopes the mob did not beat an innocent man (although it sounds like they may have the right guy). Part of me thinks that the beating was pretty extreme, yet when I think of hurt the girl suffered ... it does seem fitting.
Not that I know anything, but it seems to me that the mob would consist of people that were taking out their (built up) fear and frustration on this "man" - simply because they were given the opportunity to "act". If given the opportunity, I wonder how many others would do so?
(Now I see why this thread was referred to in the "vigilante justice" thread....) | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 6/4/2009 1:39:22 PM |
Mjodr ,
Sure but you completely missed the point. What if YOU happened to look similar to this guy and were there instead of him ? Are you seriously going to argue that it's a better to let the mob lynch you than to have the cops sort it out ? This mob might have got the right guy but it could just as easily have been you or somebody you care about. How did they actually know they had the right guy ? I doubt they asked him for identification first. Furthermore , they didn't know if he was supposed to be the actual rapist even...all they were told was that he was a "person of interest".
Asking me if I happened to look like the guy and was targeted instead is a bit of a stretch. Would I want to be lynched? No....well... I might enjoy a good tangle or two but.. well.. that's a whole different subject.
You must have missed this in the actual news report.
The assault happened Tuesday after neighbors recognized Carrasquillo from a photo distributed by police.
It's not like they just randomly chose someone that looked like the perp. Now, it is true that he was just a "person of interest".. but he was one that had a habit of committing crimes just like the one the police wanted to find him for.
Now, I admit before lynching a suspect you should probably know for sure that he is the actual criminal. I will concede that. Otherwise... this career criminal got exactly what he deserved. | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 6/5/2009 5:29:06 AM |
The assault happened Tuesday after neighbors recognized Carrasquillo from a photo distributed by police.
It's not like they just randomly chose someone that looked like the perp.
Based on that sentence that's exactly what they did. | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 6/5/2009 5:54:41 AM | I would be interested to know how many supporters of the attack are willing to themselves attack others in the same manner. The theory is that there would be 100% willingness but we all know that's not the case. It's easy to stand on the sidelines and clap when others do the dirty work.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not asking who would be willing to put their money where their mouths are. There would be a lot of puffing of chests and not a lot of honesty. Just saying it would be interesting to actually know. Personally I think the attacks are a disgrace. But some here seem pretty impassioned that it was the right thing to do.
"It's far easier to fight for principles then to live up to them."
~Adlai Stevenson | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 6/5/2009 6:05:10 AM | Amongst criminals in prisons, child rapists are detested. It is a matter of obtaining a conviction.
There is a registered sex offender in my neighborhood that served all of seven years for raping a five yer-old child. IMHO, there is no rehabilitation for a se offender, and those seven years in prison only gave him time to fantasize and dwell upon how to not get caught the next time.
One thing that I found most reprehensible though was when a woman's boyfriend raped her daughter and she told her mother right away, mom did not bring her in to mke a police report (the initiation of prosecution) until she discovered her boyfriend was cheating on her. She put her boyfriend ahead of her child!
This wasn't a rapist but just a street thug story. Some people posted signs all throughout the neighborhood that if you are a criminal you are not welcome here, and we will beat you and then you will go to jail. Street justice does seem to be a bit more emphatic and effective than our criminal justice system. That is exactly what happened, and crime has been lesser in our neighborhood ever since that event.
When someone perpetrates a heinous crime, gets pummelled and then goes to jail, well that is a bit of a deterrent! The sexual crimes are probably still in their fantasies, but they have enough logical reasoning to not want to take another beating like that.
I know it is archaic, but perhaps we should bring back the racks to public square and let all of the children that have been victims of abuse stone the abusers, and then lock them up for seven years. I have no sympathy for anyone that got beat up for raping a child! | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 6/5/2009 7:40:59 AM | Until and unless the man is convicted by a jury of his peers,he's not guilty.
If this is NOT the man that did this (and that possibility still exists) then they should throw the book at the people who assaulted him.
If he dies, then they should be at least charged w/ manslaughter.
I hate pedophiles just as much as the next guy...
But I want pedophiles convicted, so that they can take their a*s whoppings in prison from some real professionals. | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 6/5/2009 7:57:06 AM | I am sure the citizens truly believed that the justice system was not going to protect the little girl. Instead they knew his lawyer would have liars to say in court that this guy was an upstanding citizen of the community, religious, friendly and would never hurt a flea bs. So they absolutely knew him and went for his jugular vein so to speak. At least they got their few minutes of justice in. I bet he doesn't pull that crime in public again. Hoorah for the citizens! I could care less for the perpetrator as he was the guy who did the crime. You know I really don't like the fact that our tax dollars are being spent on garbage like this when everyone knew it was their neibour who did it! How much proof does the community need? I am sure these citizens are not beating every guy they come across for the heck of it. Just natural instinct set in and went for the scum bag immediately before he got protection.    | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 6/5/2009 8:24:53 AM | ^^^
The problem w/ that mindset is that it assumes guilt.
Being Black...the "assumption of guilt" isn't something that sits well w/ me.
Blacks that were ASSUMED to be guilty were often lynched.
The track record on the lynch mobs correctly determining (or even caring about) their guilt or innocence was extremely poor.
If this guy dies...and didn't do it...a lot of people should have a LOT to answer for...
If he did do it...and he still dies...they still have to answer.
No point in having laws if you are not going to abide by them. | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 6/5/2009 8:43:54 AM |
I am sure the citizens truly believed that the justice system was not going to protect the little girl.
I must admit I know nothing about the the Canadian Legal System...Would YOU like to make the same claim of American legal system? | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 6/5/2009 8:45:19 AM | | Should we now engage in a talk about suppression hearings where criminal defense attorneys get valid evidence dismissed on a technichality and then the criminal walks free? | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 6/5/2009 10:44:34 AM | If anyone is inclined, I have a book to recommend. The author is James Neff and it can be purchased used for a pittance. It reveals some very hard work from detectives and the prosecution, and some very brave women who stood up to this monster in a courtroom and testified.
Unfinished Murder: The Capture of a Serial Rapist. It chronicles the crimes of Ronnie Shelton.
The judge sentenced him to consecutive sentences, something like 3,000+ years in jail for his crimes.
We had an area firefighter named Joeseph McCarthy that was a sexual predator, and everyone thought he was the nicest guy in the world. He would find women, get their license plates, follow them home, and break into their homes while his spouse thought he was at work...the good family man that everyone thought he was...while he got buddies to cover his shifts for him.
One of the women he stalked just happened to have her brother spending the night, so when he intruded into her home, her brother who was sleeping on the couch beat the crap out of him. Had it not been for that little bit of fate, he might still be out there ruining other lives.
I have always had a good attidude about traffic tickets in that if I think about the times I never got caught, percentage-wise , I am doing pretty good. On that analogy, I am going to suggest, again, that most people do not wake up on Monday and just decide to be a criminal. If someone got arrested or assaulted for something they did not do, just think about all of the things they did for which they did not get caught?
I will reiterate that I believe there is absolutely no rehabilitation for a bonafide sex offender. The behavior begins in their fantasy minds, and every time they get away with their actions they become bolder and bolder.
I understand that this thread is about child rapists, but understand that whether a monster is raping a child or a woman there is no rehabilitation for this type of person, and they are dangers to the public with the freedom to walk the streets, whether they register or not! | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 6/5/2009 11:05:08 AM |
We had an area firefighter named Joeseph McCarthy that was a sexual predator, and everyone thought he was the nicest guy in the world. He would find women, get their license plates, follow them home, and break into their homes while his spouse thought he was at work...the good family man that everyone thought he was...while he got buddies to cover his shifts for him.
One of the women he stalked just happened to have her brother spending the night, so when he intruded into her home, her brother who was sleeping on the couch beat the crap out of him. Had it not been for that little bit of fate, he might still be out there ruining other lives
I dont understand what the point of this passage is...The brother was within his rights to defend his sister while in the home...The woman had the right to defend herself in her home.
the problem would be...if the man tried to attack the woman in her home and the brother woke up and banged on the locked Bedroom door...the attacker jumps out the window...brother breaks the door open, check on his sister and get a description for sis and grabs a bat and heads out after the attacker...
Sis said it was a Green man with a red shirt and shorts...brother finds a Green man with red shirt and shorts...Brother has every right to call cops and hold the man there till cops arrive...He can even make a citizens arrest...but he also runs the chance of the green man suing him with False arrest...but brother accepts all these risks as he heads out to find the guy.
know if the brother finds the green guy and tell everybody that that man just tried to rape my sister...then they proceed to beat down Green man...then brother went to far. | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 6/5/2009 11:15:17 AM | I guess I'm not sure what you are saying. So it's OK for someone to beat someone up if he KNOWS the bad guy did it. But if a mob knows he did it, it's not ok for them to beat the bad guy up?
So, say a guy comes in my house, and tries to steal my jewelry. You are ok with me shooting him in my house? But if I run out the door, chase him, and shoot him in the street--he still has my jewelry, mind you--THAT is going "too far"? It seems an arbitrary line to draw. The crime is the same no matter the venue of the punishment. | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 6/5/2009 11:31:41 AM | Better to be tried by twelve than carried by six!
Perhaps I was vague, but I have no problem with street justice taking effect, and then taking the offender to jail. There are some real monsters out there.
However, the law states that if a person is running from you, you cannot shoot them in the back, so before you shoot try to get them to look at you, because that is the law.
CassaGo, I apoligize if you misunderstood me, but the law also draws an arbitray line, and property is property and not justifiable for the taking of a human life.
THAT is why street justice is more effective, and a much more effective deterrent to future crimes than our legal system. Sad to say, but entirely true. | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 6/5/2009 12:15:54 PM |
So, say a guy comes in my house, and tries to steal my jewelry. You are ok with me shooting him in my house? But if I run out the door, chase him, and shoot him in the street--he still has my jewelry, mind you--THAT is going "too far"? It seems an arbitrary line to draw.
That is exactly the law (in Texas) self defence/ defence of home and property.
The Law says you have the right to defend( use of deadly force) your self, home or property while in Eminent Danger. Eniment Danger means Right at that Moment...Not two hours, two days, or two weeks later.
But once the suspect leaves/ runs away, there is no long a Eniment Danger...If you chose to persue him, you have that right, but you should be calling Police and not just Hunting him down...If the suspect, turns and threathens you...you have the right to defend yourself ///BUT your claim to self defence lessens, because you chose to go after him///.
So you see, using deadly force of defense of one's self...is a complicated issue...there are so many things that can and do go wrong... | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 6/5/2009 12:54:04 PM | funky phantom writes- I hate pedophiles just as much as the next guy...
But I want pedophiles convicted, so that they can take their a*s whoppings in prison from some real professionals.
Trust me..if someone hurts my child, or I see someone hurting another child- they will see one angry Mom unleash on their butts. We can be just as professional as the thugs inside the prisons..and they see mine first hand before the men in prisons will get their chance.! Can't stand anyone who can hurt an innoccent child! | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 6/5/2009 5:31:11 PM | | I always watch out for the children on the streets and the kids on the playgrounds, and I try to make a point of knowing who the registered sex offenders are, by name and appearance. That is where good community and good communication come into play, to stop these monsters before they can act! | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 6/5/2009 6:28:29 PM | | I do the same thing Nocturnal..and I don't even have kids at home anymore. It's just sad that anyone has to go to such lengths anymore. Our poor kids.. | |
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