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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 6/10/2009 12:02:40 AM | I find it interesting that vigilantism is demonized rather they are right or wrong, but the courts are seen as a bastion of civilization when they are often wrong themselves.
Yes lynchings that were racially motivated were wrong, but that doesn't mean every act done by a vigilante has always been wrong just as judges haven't always been right.
The concept of "Justice" does not belong exclusively to the courts. The courts are not just in themselves but are often filled with just people who make just decisions. And other times don't.
Standing by only what the courts decide no matter what is okay. But when the courts are ineffective and inept and let criminals slip through the cracks and go on to rape other children it is good to have vigilantes around.
Because if something isn't done, why would they stop?
This was a situation where the man had prior convictions and the courts failed.
They failed the family of the victims and worst of all they failed the little girl who was raped.
Every single thing that girl goes through is a result of a weak court filled with weak people who wanted to appease a monster instead of punishing him.
The law is important but justice is more important.
Vigilantes and angry mobs can be just and courts can be unjust. | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 6/10/2009 6:20:30 AM | Wow. geeleebee just called me snotty and ignorant!
I hope nobody in your family ever gets victimized, a clever defense attorney gets all of the evidence suppressed, and you watch that criminal go free.
It is people with attitudes like you that should be the victims of these horrible people. When you check their criminal records, the only lapses are when they were incarcerated.
Call me ugly, get me banned. I don't care. There are some real pieces of garbage out there. There are victims waiting to happen. I truly do not wish that anyone be victimized, ever, but if it has to happen, I hope it happens to a person like you, so once the criminal walks free and you get no justice whatsoever, you can have a discussion at the funeral about the burden of proof. | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 6/10/2009 6:41:48 AM | I have never seen a person so hateful and spiteful and it scares me that this person has a badge.
That is all. | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 6/10/2009 7:59:05 AM | | They should be forced to wear a different color prison outfit and just let prisoners decide his fate. It's a form of natural selection! | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 6/10/2009 9:16:24 PM |
Wow. geeleebee just called me snotty and ignorant!
Go back and reread what I said.
I didn't use your name.
I made a statement of opinion.
Get over yourself.
It is people with attitudes like you that should be the victims of these horrible people.
I am the mother of a son who was raped when he was five-years old. There is not a sentence long enough to even come close to paying for the life sentence my son received from his predator. Do not presume to know anything about my 'attitude'.
I understand how the justice system is supposed to work. Burdon of proof lies with the prosecutor. Period.
Call me ugly, get me banned. I don't care. There are some real pieces of garbage out there.
I didn't call you ugly, and I haven't tried to get you banned.
I truly do not wish that anyone be victimized, ever but if it has to happen, I hope it happens to a person like you, so once the criminal walks free and you get no justice whatsoever, you can have a discussion at the funeral about the burden of proof.
That statement says more about your attitude about law enforcement and justice than anything else you've posted. Those words make a mockery of every law enforcement officer who has taken an oath to uphold the law--to serve and to protect.
The responsibility of an officer of the law is not to judge, yet using words like 'garbage', and wishing a vile outcome for me renders a clearer and clearer picture of who that officer is and what that officer truly represents.
I do not fear one because one carries a gun, I fear one because one carries prejudice and a violent attitude beneath a shield. | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 6/10/2009 10:00:34 PM | geebeelee,
I am so sorry about what happened to your son, but I really do think the legal system is entirely too lenient.
I cannot believe that you are still so lenient on criminals after what you have endured.
I apologize for my harsh and obnoxious and wicked post, because you did have to walk through the storm also known as our legal system. I will never cease in believing that it is too lenient.
Previously, I recommended a book that profiles the capture of Ronnie Shelton, who was a serial rapist. Through diligent work, this man got convicted to over 3,000 years. This also required cooperation from all the victims, which was also an immense amount of work and I applaud these brave women!
Sometimes, I push a little bit hard, but I am extending to you a genuine apology for my words, and I am sorry that your world was disrupted by a predator.
Still, I am not adverse to street justice, because the two goals of incarceration are to do deter and to punish, but if you get caught in the act, vigilanitism accomplishes both. It may not be a popular view with the Canadians, eh? It also saves the taxpayers a lot of dollars.
Oh, my. Here comes my next cruxifiction. | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 6/10/2009 10:14:13 PM | I am in neither 'lenient' about the justice system, nor am I 'lenient' about criminals. The man who hurt my child had a trial and was sent to prison--that's the justice system in which I believe and uphold. Had I killed him, which I wanted to do, I would have been no better than he--and my son would have suffered not only the loss of his innocence, but the loss of his mother, as well.
To encourage vigilantism is, in my opinion, desperate and deplorable, and reduces one to the lowest form of criminal.
If one is 'caught in the act', vigiliantism merely provides the courts with two wrong-doers.
I have a very dear friend--her husband beat hell out of a man who their daughter said raped her--friend's husband used a baseball bat--husband went to jail. Instead of calling the authorities, he took matters into his own hands and his family grieved the loss of his presence for many, many months before he was released. The alleged rapist? Never went to trial--no charges pressed.
Vigilantism gained...what, exactly?
It's one thing to joke about 'what I'd do, if I caught him in a dark alley...', and quite another to advocate the use of violence and vigilantism--especially if one is sworn to uphold the law. | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 6/10/2009 10:27:28 PM |
Still, I am not adverse to street justice, because the two goals of incarceration are to do deter and to punish, but if you get caught in the act, vigilanitism accomplishes both. It may not be a popular view with the Canadians, eh? It also saves the taxpayers a lot of dollars.
Oh, my. Here comes my next cruxifiction.
Sure, vigilantism may provide determent and punishment. I can't deny that. Of course, so would spreading honey on a criminal most private and sensitive parts and locking them in a room with a bear.
I have several questions for you, Nocturnal, that I'd love an answer for from your point of view.
A.) Exactly what crimes should be punishable by vigilante' justice in your opinion?
B.) For those crimes that are punishable by vigilante' justice, to what degree does one get such a beating? Is it to the death, or is there some other subjective degree?
C.) For those who were to go to far in their vigilante' justice, are we then allowed to perform vigilante' justice upon them?
D.) If I feel that someone has not doled out enough vigilante' justice to my liking, may I then step in and deal a higher amount of vigilante' justice?
E.) If violence beget violence, how does vigilante' justice stop the circle violence, or is it worthless to attempt to stop the circle of violence?
F.) Why exactly was it you became a cop?
I look forward to hearing your answers. I'm sure you've thought these out and have extremely knowledgable and well reasoned answers that I could never expect to understand as I am, as you have said, nothing but a fatboy. Of course, then again, I am a fatboy who is happily married, so yes, I will have another cookie. | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 6/10/2009 11:11:12 PM |
There are victims waiting to happen. I truly do not wish that anyone be victimized, ever, but if it has to happen, I hope it happens to a person like you Unbelievable---a cop wishing someone who SAID something she didn't like would be victimized. | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 6/11/2009 4:09:41 AM | NocturnalPrincess,
Wow.
I'll be completely honest here....you may work for a police force and you might have a badge. Hell...you might even actually have to go out into the night and do whatever it is you do to fight criminals. That said , you're a cop in name only. I don't know exactly what it is that you do for your police service but there's no way you'd last two minutes on the streets , especially by yourself. If you came to arrest me and I didn't want to be arrested , frankly , there wouldn't be much of anything you could do about it.
That's not exactly the point though. The real point is that if you're any sort of a real cop , you are a terrible spokeswoman for your employer. You've actually gone out of your way to bump a person onto a list of hoped-for victims of horrible crimes. Worse yet , you did this because you DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING AS A COP. Do you know WHY we have police forces instead of lynch mobs ? It's so that people who have knee-jerk , emotional responses just like yours don't go around getting themselves and others killed. | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 6/11/2009 6:55:51 AM | Ismene ... I believe the point Nocturnal Princess was trying to make, was NOT an actual wish for that person to be victimized ... but for those who don't seem to understand injustice and the vengeance one can feel, maybe IF THEY WERE THE VICTIMS, THEY WOULD BETTER UNDERSTAND...
Along the same thoughts, I do not wish ill or harm on ANY child .... but I confess sometimes I think the only way for the lawmakers, politicians, judges to really "get it", is if awful things happened to their own children ... so they can feel the pain, anger, hatred .... and maybe actually do something about it all.
I think most people are so conditioned to hearing the horror of others so often, that unless it "hits home" for them, they don't see each horror for what it is, never give it a second thought, and carry on with their merry little lives. But, there are some of us who do not see all the victims as just "statistics" or numbers - and it is those of us who do feel anger towards the offenders and the system that coddles them. | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 6/11/2009 7:13:15 AM | | The easy answer is to not be a criminal. Don't intrude upon others' persons and property, and you don't have to worry about vigilantes. | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 6/11/2009 1:30:44 PM | ^I'll go you one better : This guy was "a person of interest" at the time of the lynching. You don't even have to be a suspect to deserve a beating , you just have to be mentioned in connection with a crime to to earn it.
So the answer is simple : Don't be anywhere near any crime that might ever take place. See ...it's just so easy. | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 6/11/2009 1:59:07 PM |
The easy answer is to not be a criminal. Don't intrude upon others' persons and property, and you don't have to worry about vigilantes.
And there it is. Smartest answer to the OP's post yet.
Criminals are no better than rabid dogs, and deserve the same punishment.
There is NO such thing as rehabilitation for child molesters. It doesn't work. Straight to the electric chair with them and be DONE with it. Problem resolved. | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 6/11/2009 2:05:58 PM |
I think most people are so conditioned to hearing the horror of others so often, that unless it "hits home" for them, they don't see each horror for what it is, never give it a second thought, and carry on with their merry little lives. But, there are some of us who do not see all the victims as just "statistics" or numbers - and it is those of us who do feel anger towards the offenders and the system that coddles them.
Well, anonimiss, violent crime has hit home for me, and still I do not believe in vigilantism, and I don't believe only those who have not been victims or not affected by crime are the ones who don't believe in vigilantism. Vigilantism leads to chaos and anarchy and puts EVERYONE in more danger.
As illustrated by the posts below. Vigilantism assumes someone is guilty of a crime before the courts do. Yet it may very often be the case an innocent person is set upon by vigilantes. A civilized society does itself no favors in supporting vigilantes.
The easy answer is to not be a criminal. Don't intrude upon others' persons and property, and you don't have to worry about vigilantes.
Shouldn't this be "Accused child rapist-beaten by neighbors?"
Wasn't aware that the man had been convicted.
^I'll go you one better : This guy was "a person of interest" at the time of the lynching. You don't even have to be a suspect to deserve a beating , you just have to be mentioned in connection with a crime to to earn it.
So the answer is simple : Don't be anywhere near any crime that might ever take place. See ...it's just so easy. | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 6/11/2009 4:00:57 PM | Obligatory shame on the rapist for raping the child.
As for the neighbor's who attacked the rapist. Sucks to be them, but now they're just as bad as mister rapist. Whether they get charged for it, or just let go they now have done what this man was charge for doing (besides rape).
Sure, you can say they did it out of "justice" or "for the girl" and they didn't rape him but hey beating a person is still beating a person.
People seem to believe that if they have, what society will view as justice, a cause for why they beat people (or anything in this type of category) it justifies their actions.
It doesn't. Not in my eyes at the very least.
The rapist, and the neighbors could use a nice jail cell for a bit. | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 6/12/2009 8:45:55 PM | Prior to the 1930's, police forces were pretty much a city thing. Up until the 1970's, most towns had a single Sheriff, and maybe a Deputy or two to keep the peace. Having citizen assistance was highly important to keeping a town safe. It took the entire community, working together for a common goal, to make a town a good place to live.
Did emotions have sway over "dispatching criminal activity"? Yes. Did it keep things to a minimum? Yes as well.
But over the last 40 years, we have seen a huge increase in violent criminal activity. We have a huge "underground" of people who rap about drug use, beating women and killing at will. Does anyone NOT think that occasionally there will be a backlash of vigilantism to combat what the police cannot handle?? When the evil push too far, the good rise up and DEAL with it in the only way one can. By Force.
Fortunately for the alleged molester, they didn't kill him. But he is going to spend some serious time in jail, because if they release him now, the mob will likely kill him. And that is as it should be.
As long as we have a "Revolving Door Justice System" and continue to drag our feet with using the death penalty, we will see vigilante justice. The fun part is...much like the drug pushers say...IF NOBODY TALKS, EVERYONE WALKS. Hard to get a conviction against vigilantes when NOBODY is willing to go against the community to be on the side of a scumbag.
I'd hate to be a DA trying to find out who was in that mob of vigilantes...because most good people are sitting at home applauding them.
Scumbag criminals DESERVE NO RIGHTS, not even a right to breathe. Recidivism shows that msot criminals return to being criminals, so we might as well send them ALL to 'Ole Sparky and solve the whole crime problem.
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 6/17/2009 11:55:49 AM | | Just a quick point: "scumbag criminals" are scumbag criminals... with or without the added label of "vigilante." Still just as much of a "scumbag." By the above argument, "vigilantes" deserve no rights either, as they are criminals. Unless of course it's ok to break some laws, and just not others. Some violent crime is ok, huh? Please. That's just a pathetic excuse for emotions to be stroked. | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 9/25/2009 12:57:18 AM | Personally i am proud of vigilantes, yes they are on the wrong side of the law but i would rather have someone attempt justice than no justice at all!
So a mob went and attacked a person of interest who was caught on camera and described by the victim who is an eleven year old child.
So a bunch or people got righteously enraged at said man and beat him hoping death would be his out come.
hopefully he will now be too scared to ever attempt that crime in that town because now he knows that if he even looks like he will harm another child death is a real consequence and not just a weak little needle but agonizing blow by blow, bones breaking, him crying like he made that child cry.
Hell yeah i wish for his death but for all you people that want to treat him like he himself is an eleven year old raped child sure i am quite happy he is alive now righteous people will not go to jail for murder!
Better yet when he goes to prison he will be the one raped, then they will kill him slowly. I once heard about inmates finding ways of burning these men to death or finding a large meat grinder. that one was at least useful for feeding the inmates!! hahahaha.
I have no sympathy for this man and honestly some of the people wanting to give the rapist a medal for taking a beating he deserves are just fools! I stand by that comment and for all of you that will ask me what if i just happened to be the innocent guy that they beat down, I would be proud of them still after they pay me for medical bills, and pain and suffering but i would not hate them for it. | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 9/25/2009 6:40:44 AM |
happened to be the innocent guy that they beat down, I would be proud of them still after they pay me for medical bills, and pain and suffering but i would not hate them for it.
Of course, a notable feature of vigilantism is the potential for innocent persons to be assaulted, maimed, or even killed. It's really hard to imagine how someone could be in favour of that happening to other people, including themselves. I hope you don't think that the vigilantes are going to voluntarily come up with a nice little settlement package for you once you're been exonerated. You do realize that you'd have to sue them for the "pain and suffering" part right? Who pays your income while you're off work from a beatdown? Maybe they will come up with a "package" after they burn your house down? Oops, my bad! We dun got ourselves the wrong guy, sssssssssorrry!
You might enjoy reading this article: http://www.switched.com/2008/02/05/vigilantes-attempt-to-burn-sex-offenders-house-and-miss/
and here:
http://www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?id=68250
It's a heartwarming report on vigilantes, who used mapping software to find what they thought was a paedophile's house, but they actually targetted the wrong house, and tried to burn down the wrong house belonging to someone completely unrelated! Ooops! Maybe the vigilantes should have used Google Maps.
And what about those nasty animal liberation groups who burn down laboratories? Does that sound like a good idea? Why not, they are vigilantes doing good, civilized work, isn't that right? | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 9/25/2009 7:44:48 AM |
So a mob went and attacked a person of interest who was caught on camera and described by the victim who is an eleven year old child.
You seemed to got the FACTS wrong, but what does that matter if your intention were right. | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 9/25/2009 7:55:11 AM | | I love vigilante justice. The courts will only worry about "his rights" and let him back on the street. The people should have killed the SOB. | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors
Posted: 9/25/2009 8:43:03 AM | Of course, a notable feature of vigilantism is the potential for innocent persons to be assaulted, maimed, or even killed. It's really hard to imagine how someone could be in favour of that happening to other people, including themselves. People are all for vigilantism until it happens to them or someone they care about. How hard is it to understand that vigilantes as often attack the innocent as the guilty, and if the rule of law is not followed, however imperfect it is, what we have is anarchy, wherein everyone, virtually everyone, is at risk. | |
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