| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors Posted: 9/29/2009 7:46:21 AM | ^Hey now, Johnny Depp gets killed off in the first one. And that was before he was a big time star. Kinda hard to imagine Captain Jack Sparrow getting sucked into a bed and spewed onto the ceiling now.
I think turning this into a racial issue is rather irrresponsible.
There's a counterpoint to refute every bit of the race rhetoric, but it wouldn't solve anything to state any of it. It would just create a new problem. | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors Posted: 9/29/2009 9:21:00 AM |
It's sad that no all neighborhoods are like this, And have people willing to take a stand against sick people like this guy.....bring back public hangings... Okay, you be first. You get mistaken for a someone who comitted a crime and go to a neighborhood where the people are "willing to take a stand against sick people" and let them beat the shite out of you, then let them string you up in the public square. And why stop there, they can cut your head off and stick it on a lamp post until the birds peck all the flesh off and it's just a bare skull drying in the sun. All because someone mistook you for someone else and a mob went crazy and were "willing to take a stand."
Holy mother of God...who's the sick one? | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors Posted: 9/29/2009 9:25:50 AM |
bring back public hangings...
Hey, there's absolutely nothing wrong with good ol' family values - Taliban style......./sarcasm
http://www.rawa.org/herat-p.htm | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors Posted: 9/29/2009 9:29:26 AM |
good for them !!!
i hope they took out his front teeth so every time he looks in the mirror he remembers why hes forced to gumming his food.
That SOB is lucky he got away with his life.
You got that right! | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors Posted: 9/29/2009 2:30:32 PM | Kinda hard to imagine Captain Jack Sparrow getting sucked into a bed and spewed onto the ceiling now.
Hey, anything is possible if one uses their imagination...
Back to topic...
@ Cheshire
Again, I am coming at this from a purely philosophical view, so I am just bouncing off thoughts, not intending to argue. You are such a lady, that I know you know this, I am just clarifying it for the masses...I am playing the devil's advocate, not the actual devil...
The philosophy of law, or jurisprudence, has been in development since Roman times, and guides our actions to this day.
This is very true. However, I feel like there is still far too much leniency on sex crimes, and pedophilia. Has jurisprudence fully grown to fit the "morality" of the common people? We cannot deny that political agenda plays a huge part in decision-making, and what constitutes as "law".
In contrast, vigilantes don’t have a system of checks and balances in place to control their brand of rough justice. Once a group of vigilantes have focussed on a person, there are no controls in place to moderate their behaviour or stop them completely.
Again, this is very true. Many people have seen the brunt of the sentiments of this same mentality, in everyday life. It is called "bullying", and it is harder to deal with as applied to a group...
Socrates’ trial is a good illustration of the mob mentality of a different sort – a mob that did not have wisdom or self-restraint, and were swayed by emotion and not reason. It illustrates the observation that most people at that time were not trained to make the decisions required of a just society.
I am not entirely convinced, that people are trained now to make the decisions for a "just" society.
Paedophiles will always “misconstrue” what they think of as sexual behaviour in children, and therefore they can only be treated by training them to suppress their urges and reduce their fixation.
They can only be treated by training...what...?
Do you really think that there is rehabilitation, for a violent pedophile (she needed surgery for goodness sake, an eleven year old girl!), who was out of prison for only two months, and committed this heinous act?
In many ways Brazil is a developing democracy. The performance of their police is a good example of inadequate government control. I used Brazil as an example of what happens when there is such a profound disrespect for civil rights. The rule of law has been left to the discretion of each police officer – i.e. – they decide who is to be tortured and/or killed, and is therefore an example of vigilantism. Furthermore, as has been shown by way of Brazil’s crime rate, the vigilantism of the police is spectacularly ineffective.
Again, how can it be construed as vigilantism, if the "law" gives the police the right to disrespect civil rights (which is very subjective, unfortunately) and brutalize the very citizens it is trying to protect?
If the eleven year old girl was my child, or my neighbor's child, or...heck any child, a part of me would feel grateful that he had the sh1t kicked out of him.
This is why I have mixed feelings on this topic... | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors Posted: 9/30/2009 11:23:50 PM | Ho hum, who cares. Rapists get beat up and raped in american jails all the time. You just don't see it or read about it. Kids also get beat up and raped in their homes every day, again you just don't see it.
Who cares if some guy got beat up, it's nothing new, and therefore it isn't "news".
It's not like the Police were going to catch the bad guy anyway. Not that it would matter anyway since it's a proven fact 90% of police are rapists and batterers themselves.
The only person that would care is a liberal / collectivist.
Who cares about laws and courts, they are a scam and a lie. | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors Posted: 10/1/2009 1:24:54 AM | SAguy_06
I agree with what you said.
I have a daughter and under 24 months old. I could not live with beating a man to death who was innocent. But, if I knew with out a doubt he was guilty, I would risk my self to ensure he never took another breath again.
But, beating a man to death without positive identification is wrong. People wear the same things and have the same features. Mistaken identity happens more often than you think. Esp. those of us who's job was to secure criminals and terrorists and so on. Things get confusing. One feature matches but one doesnt, one thing is right but the other isn't. What do you do?
This was wrong. | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors Posted: 10/1/2009 8:40:48 AM | Paedophiles will always “misconstrue” what they think of as sexual behaviour in children, and therefore they can only be treated by training them to suppress their urges and reduce their fixation.
I didn't even read this. This is terrible advice. As any psychologist will tell you, suppressing ANYTHING only causes it to come out later somewhere else, often in a more destructive way. Which, in a situation like this, puts a lot of other people at risk.
Channeling something is the only way to truly get rid of it. Unfortunately, these people are really kind of screwed unless they can find a non-harmful, legal way to do this. | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors Posted: 10/1/2009 8:44:32 AM |
since it's a proven fact 90% of police are rapists and batterers themselves. Please provide the documentation that supports this claim. | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors Posted: 10/1/2009 10:18:16 AM |
This is terrible advice. As any psychologist will tell you, suppressing ANYTHING only causes it to come out later somewhere else, often in a more destructive way. Which, in a situation like this, puts a lot of other people at risk.
Channeling something is the only way to truly get rid of it. Unfortunately, these people are really kind of screwed unless they can find a non-harmful, legal way to do this.
What, pray tell, is more destructive than a paedophile acting on their impulses? Is there anything more destructive than a paedophile raping a child? Who else is being put at risk here that concerns you so much? What do you suggest they channel their impulses into? Crafts? Dried-flower arranging? Scrapbooking?
Paedophiles, almost exclusively, cannot find a non-harmful or legal way to channel their desire for children, anymore than you can channel your desire for heterosexual sex - because for them it is A WAY OF BEING. In case you weren't aware, it is often treated with libido-suppressing drugs for chemical castration, which would not be necessary if they could simply decide not to abuse children. Cognitive behaviour methods and psychotherapy generally DO NOT work on paedophiles, because many of them feel they have an entitlement to have sex with children.
Pharmacotherapy to suppress behaviour has gained ground and success - in fact, I believe that it should be compulsory in the majority of cases. | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors Posted: 10/1/2009 12:45:30 PM | | I love vigilante justice. I swear if I become mega wealthy some day, I'm going to found a superhero club where we go around doing vigilante justice. | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors Posted: 10/1/2009 1:03:44 PM |
Cognitive behaviour methods and psychotherapy generally DO NOT work on paedophiles, because many of them feel they have an entitlement to have sex with children. That's actually not true, at least not as simplistically stated--plus you first used "all pedophiles" then said "many pedophiles". Most of the time, pedophiles are treated by lifestyles changes plus drug therapy (chemical castration), and it does sem to produce a decrease in recividism, but not nearly enough if you ask me. http://whyfiles.org/154pedophile/3.html | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors Posted: 10/1/2009 2:39:26 PM | | this is why i like the way Muslims handle stuff like theft and rape......they cut off the part that did the crime on fridays. this is what we need to start doing in US and cut out the middle man (lawyers/judges). | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors Posted: 10/1/2009 9:04:27 PM | Oh here we go now with all the psychological mumbo jumbo BS psycho-analysis of the child rapists and what it is that makes them do what they do.
Heaven forbid the notion of free will should ever be mentioned. 'Cuz golly no, it must be a sickness. A "sickness" that ironically and magically changes by definition the second new legislation is passed in ______(insert geographical location/jurisdiction here).
Funny how if you rape an 18 year old you are a rapist, but if you rape a 17 year old you are a pedophile with a disease like cancer. Although I use those numbers loosely since some countries it would be legal for a 45 year old to have sex with a 14 year old (like Canada until recently). So to have called that 45 year old a pedo could have legally gotten you sued by said individual, since what they were doing was perfectly legal according to law(at that time).
There is no such thing as pedophelia. It's a made up disease. The only thing that does exist are legal adults that rape or sexually abuse young people that are not old enough to consent as defined by their particular states law.
I happen to really like large breasts on women. It doesn't make me a boobaphile. It just makes me someone that likes to look at big boobs and uses their free will to do so. The only question that remains is, "do I look at boobs of women who have consented to show me their boobs?", or "do I take the clothes off non-consenting women in order to look at their boobs?".
The answer to that will define wether or not I am a criminal, or if I am merely a typical guy.
People who believe in the disease concept are usually the same people that are liberal minded 'rehabilitate' the offender type people whom you could probably blame our weak system on in the first place. | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors Posted: 10/1/2009 9:39:12 PM | The problem with all this is , IMO, it's a slippery slope from here to the lynch mob. That's why these kinds of things can't be allowed to just happen without the vigilantes being likewise punished, the same way the criminal offender would/should be (if he were not beaten to death by said vigilantes...).
We know that humans in a "mob" tend to get even more aggressive than in smaller or one-on-one confrontations; for some reason the negative energy and aggression just feeds off itself, and in times like that we're nearly reverted to our prehistoric ancestors, or ....perhaps to an even earlier time when we were not even classifiable as Homo Sapiens Sapiens yet...
Believe me I know there are some crimes that are so appalling that one's first instinct is to want immediate "justice" , or revenge (even if it's not your own tragedy). It's been my own first instinct with some crimes I've heard of occasionally; "they should just shoot this guy", that's the first impulsive thought, I admit. But, we want to try to be better than this, IMO, and to allow the "higher" parts of the brain (so to speak) to kind of filter out those more primal limbic urges that call for such immediate (and brutal) satisfaction...
These people are (rightly, and hopefully) arrested quickly and taken off the streets, and when the system works right (certainly not always but I'd dare to say much of the time) they wind up in prison(s) for a long long time, sometimes the remainder of their miserable lives. And that's good enough for me. It has to be good enough for all of us in civilized societies, IMO. | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors Posted: 10/2/2009 2:10:31 AM |
See how civilized you are when it's your daughter that was raped.
And this is why I or any victim of a crime should NEVER have any say as to what happens to the suspect/criminal/etc. I will not think rationally and this will lead to miscarriages of justice. We have courts and a jury consisting of our peers that are supposed to represent us. | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors Posted: 10/2/2009 3:25:26 AM |
those of us who's job was to secure criminals and terrorists and so on. Things get confusing. One feature matches but one doesnt, one thing is right but the other isn't. What do you do?
Here what you do...you give the benefit of the ...doubt...to the Accused.
You give him a jury trial of his peers, you let the State gather and present Evidence agaisnt the accused. The State brings witness confirming their charges. You allow the Accused to defend himself. Then you leave it to the Jury or Judge to weigh the facts and Either convit or Aquit the Accused.
Its not perfect...but it works thousands of times everyday...Some Guilty get away, some innocent get locked up...
Justice is a process like any other...Its getting better. With advances in Foresic science and DNA... With our culture becomming more Race tollerane...A person on trial has far better chance at Justice.
Heres a what would you do...
A man comes stumbling out a store doorway...he's bleeding a is trying to get away...A Woman comes out that store her face bleeding screaming " stop him".
You are not far from the man, so you run after and tackle him...holding him down. The woman calmly walks up and Fires...empting her gun into the man.
What do you know? Did the man attack the woman? or was the woman the Attacker? | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors Posted: 10/2/2009 6:45:23 AM |
Here what you do...you give the benefit of the ...doubt...to the Accused.
You give him a jury trial of his peers, you let the State gather and present Evidence agaisnt the accused. The State brings witness confirming their charges. You allow the Accused to defend himself. Then you leave it to the Jury or Judge to weigh the facts and Either convit or Aquit the Accused.
Its not perfect...but it works thousands of times everyday...Some Guilty get away, some innocent get locked up...
Justice is a process like any other...Its getting better. With advances in Foresic science and DNA... With our culture becomming more Race tollerane...A person on trial has far better chance at Justice.
^^ Exactly. I also agree with the poster above who said along the lines that he wouldn't want to be put in that situation because he wouldn't be thinking straight and whatever happened would be a miscarriage of justice. Same for me in that kind of situation; hopefully none of us here will ever be tested in this way. | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors Posted: 10/14/2009 12:15:52 PM | Vigilantes tend to crop up when the Justice system is not doing what it should.
When those Guilty ones get away...then you start seeing citizens rise up.
Why do you think Batman & other superheros are so popular?
Every once in awhile, someone wants to pull a Bruce Wayne...
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors Posted: 10/14/2009 1:07:44 PM |
Really ? Well consider this scenario then :
Oh....well in that case I accuse you of being a child-rapist. Now just wait ... the mob will arrive shortly. Hey...I accused you so therefore it must be true. No time for questions or verifying the story I tell ; Nope , we've got to lay the boots to you while nobody is around to insist that maybe , just maybe , it's an accusation I pulled out of thin air. The important thing is that you get your brains smashed all over the curb because somebody said you did something terrible. Maybe we'll stop at a beating...maybe we'll get gruesome so as to feel some sense of 'justice' and satisfaction at seeing your testicles ripped from your body and nailed to the roof of your mouth.
Actually , of course I'm not accusing you of really being a child-rapist. I'm trying to point out just what a stupid idea it is to applaud the actions of a mob whose actions are based on an accusation . That's all it is and if you really believe that it's smarter to let mobs mete out justice then you should pray to any god or gods you believe in that you don't ever happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time looking like somebody who might be a sexual predator.
That's the idea you're so ready to defend so remember to shrug your shoulders before the mob rips your arms away from them. Or maybe you might want to rethink your position before you fall victim to it. There's a reason we developed courts and justice systems and it has an awful lot to do with what we're talking about here in this thread.
Come to think of it , forget about somebody simply accusing you of some crime. Let's say it's your father or your son. Hell , why limit it to men ? Pick a family member. One of them is bound to resemble a child-rapist or abettorto said crime somewhere. You going to watch your family members or perhaps some good friends get torn apart by a mob of people who just think they've got the criminal in hand ?
Maybe this is actually a child-rapist. The point here isn't whether he's the guy or not , it's the fact that he was only wanted as "a person of interest". Once the courts convict him (assuming he's even guilty) then that's a different matter. What you people are defending here is that the accusation alone is enough to warrant a severe lynching. YOU ALL will suffer if you allow this kind of mentality to flourish. Hits the nail on the head. All of the people advocating vigilante justice and the law of the jungle need to think through what they are saying. How much worse would it have been if guns were produced? 'Shoot first and ask questions later!'
An accusation is not proof and things always get out of hand when a mob forms. | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors Posted: 10/14/2009 1:18:27 PM |
this is why i like the way Muslims handle stuff like theft and rape......they cut off the part that did the crime on fridays. this is what we need to start doing in US and cut out the middle man (lawyers/judges). The Saudis also say a woman who has been raped 'asked for it' and punish her accordingly.
The 'middle men' protect us all from descending into chaos. There are no 'middle men' in Somalia, only 'warlords', and look at the state of their society.
Maybe take a few moments to engage your brain before you post crap like that? | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors Posted: 11/8/2009 11:44:13 PM | | I think everyone involved in this discussion should watch Seasons 1, 2, 3 of Dexter, and see if you don't find yourself rooting for the Bad Guy, even though he's actually very nice ;) | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors Posted: 11/9/2009 12:19:44 AM | Well, Dexter is fictional.
Secondly, while we can suspend disbelief and enjoy the show, we'd have to accept that if he existed IRL he would be a psychopathic, socially anxious, schizoid, dissociative, or sociopathic personality with no empathy, who first began his killing spree by killing neighbourhood animals and leaving them in a mass grave. From there he kills his brother in Season 1. He's a confusing character because he seems to be sincerely upset by murder that is "undeserved" and other transgressions that most people would consider unfair, but which are ironic considering his hobby.
Great entertainment, but I'm not sure that this is someone we would root for IRL. Especially since the crimes of many of his victims don't merit a death penalty. | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors Posted: 11/9/2009 5:22:01 AM |
Ah yes, vigilante justice. The ultimate sign of a civilized society.
Having the public decide their own justice is not a civilized society! People can't behave this way. It's against the law. Pedophilia is one of the most heinous behaviors but to suggest that these people can assault someone because of the crime that he did is not rational thinking.
If someone suffers from addiction and ends up killing my child (hypothetically speaking) in a drug induced state, would it be ok for me and my neighbors to beat this individual senseless? No, of course not! Why? Because we live in a civilized society, or attempt to. | |
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| Child rapist - beaten by neighbors Posted: 11/9/2009 6:53:49 AM | Mob rule...
What are the rules? Who gets beat down? if a minor commits a heinous(bad) crime does the mob beat him down? Do Women get beat down, Can I beat a woman down for adultry?
Which crimes are beat down offenses?
Or is a beat down a natural thing...it kinda just flows-no rules-no logic? | |
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