| Whats the Issue With Men in Australia ..
Posted: 7/3/2009 5:59:23 PM | | just an aside , mate. cane toads are an introduced pest (like rabbits, foxes , camels, sparrows etc. ) definitely not native. some Indigenous Australians consider all us Caucasians an introduced pest , too , but that's another story. | |
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Posted: 7/4/2009 9:02:28 PM |
I also think there are plenty of people who are entirely comfortable with strong, intelligent, principled, opinionated, outspoken women...
Absolutely! In fact there are plenty of Australian men out here looking for just that. Don't tar us all with the same brush....
And on another sub-tangent of this thread - why are we considered "20 years behind"? What gives anyone the right to judge a culture based on the cultures of other countries? We are Australian, we are not European or American or British. Accept who we are, embrace it and realise the good in us. Just because we don't have several centuries of history doesn't mean we are stupid or ignorant. In my opinion there is more beauty in a cold winter morning on the Murray, mist drifting over the water, birds cutting a path through the glassy surface, than in any lifeless oil painting hanging on the wall of a cold and pretentious art gallery. So our attitudes and thought processes are moulded by those experiences, rather than walking past the Colosseum every day. But that's just my opinion... | |
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Posted: 7/5/2009 3:28:26 PM | | I don't agree that Aussies are secure in their OZness . We go bounding off to Europe if we can and , just ask an Aussie about his/her ancestry and you listen to a long story of how their family go way back to Ireland or Britain and if they were sent over as convicts , well it was only for pinching a loaf of bread , and this is mostly true ... the convicts were just a way for Mother England to offload the denizens of it's overcrowded goal system . But our hearts still long for European things and all our traditions ... dear Lord , who hasn't suffered thru Xmas on a terribly hot day and stuffed themselves with turkey and hot pudding etc . ! | |
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Posted: 7/5/2009 4:11:06 PM | Well, I don't long for all things European!
I would love to go there for a holiday, but I am very happy with this country and it's culture. And by culture I don't mean VB, thongs and pies... there is a lot more to Australian culture than that. Focusing on that part of our culture is akin to saying all Brits or Italians are soccer hooligans - we are not all bogans, far from it, they are a minority in my experience (and I live in a remote country town with more than it's fair share of them, believe me!)
I am proud to be Australian (I'm 4th generation - I do, and always will, call myself an Australian, not an Australian of German heritage or whatever). Ask me about my ancestry and you'll get a story of settlers carving farms out of the mallee scrub, struggling to feed their families, making do with what they had, innovation and often practical genius. I truly believe it is a great place to live and I am lucky enough to give my kids the opportunity to grow up here.
Being Australian includes those European traditions, yes, since they are inherent in our culture and history, but that doesn't mean that we don't have our own unique spin on it - we are a blend of cultures, lets accept that and call it Australian.  | |
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Posted: 7/5/2009 5:33:57 PM | Much as I hate to be agreeable with men, I have to fully agree with the above two posters.
I am British by birth, but grew up here and I would never, ever want to return to England, nor do I embrace anything "English"...its a dump!
If I could disguise the fact that I am a Pom I certainly would, unfortunately my accent gives me away every time.
I have to admit though...I have never seriously dated an Australian man....so im prolly not really well educated to answer the original question . | |
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Posted: 7/5/2009 6:44:15 PM |
I have to admit though...I have never seriously dated an Australian man....so im prolly not really well educated to answer the original question .
well the offer is always open hehehehe but yeah i think the problem with the op is she hasnt seen enough of australias differing societies to judge ALL aussie guys just from the ones she has met. | |
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Posted: 7/5/2009 7:07:19 PM | | If someone could tell me what 'our unique spin on it ' means it would be useful to the debate here . Describe a unique spin on what was it you meant ? Hacking into mallee scrub has been done in other types of scrub by early English settlers everywhere the English settled . | |
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Posted: 7/5/2009 7:54:51 PM |
If someone could tell me what 'our unique spin on it ' means it would be useful to the debate here
I prefer discussion, rather than debate 
I was referring to the details really - as in the post above about European style Christmas dinners. We have modified that cultural icon to suit our lifestyles here - my family sits down for a gourmet bbq feast on Christmas day - we still have the tree and the bon-bons and most of the trimmings, but we don't have a hot steaming Christmas pudding when it is 42 degrees.... or going to the beach or water ski-ing on Christmas eve/day, not that common in Germany I'd guess.... We have a mild climate so we can eat outside a lot, bringing in Mediterranean cultural influences. We inherited a love for pub culture from the English and Irish. It's not one discrete thing, it's the cumulative effect of many.
What I am trying to get at, is that we can't deny we have a predominantly British/European heritage (nor should we try to), but it has evolved over the last couple of centuries due to our climate and relatively recent but unique experiences. So we shouldn't compare ourselves to other cultures - we are Australian, there is no shame in that. So what if our culture is a mish-mash of other cultures? What irks me is when people seem to suggest that we are somehow inferior because we don't have the centuries of tradition of other cultures. It is too simple just comparing one culture against another.
Re hacking into Mallee scrub - I agree with your point nevaagin, we aren't the only country to have those beginnings, but I still believe that has shaped our culture. From the Australian history I have read (and that is limited I'll admit) I gather this was a much harsher climate than the English had come up against before. So those that were successful at it had to have some degree of determination and spirit - natural selection if you like. | |
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Posted: 7/5/2009 10:47:06 PM | I sometimes get the feeling that people tend to say they want something, but when it seems to be getting serious, there is an allergic reaction to the concept of commitment.
I just had a picture in my mind of a scene from Monty Python's Holy Grail, when the knights see the dragon, then shout "Run Away, Run Away" | |
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Posted: 7/5/2009 11:01:06 PM | | I dated a few women quite a while ago and pretty much new after the second date that I wasnt into a lasting relationship, i did find it difficult explaining why at the time, and also found the reaction to rejection a bit hard to handle, im grown up now I can handle rejection. | |
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Posted: 7/7/2009 2:51:46 AM | To squeeze in another answer to the original post. I see it as this, it is most likely and definitely an age thing.
At our teens, we have simply no idea where we want to head
In our 20's, we still have no idea where we want to head, but we are getting there slowly
In our 30's, we might be getting an idea where we want to head
In our 40's, we've usually married, or had a long term partner and broken up with at least one, and have no idea where we want to be again
In our 50's+, I dunno, not there yet and cannot make an informed decision, so I have no idea..... | |
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Posted: 7/7/2009 1:38:03 PM | | I think I know what part of the problem is. I'm from California, and I had an Australian outback rancher as a house guest for a few days......I learned alot about the culture from him. I woud say it places a heavy value on machismo, and not intimacy. Words also have a different meaning. Like sex doesn't mean what Americans assume it means, kissing, fondling, etc. I suspect that you are dealing with cultural differences that are pretty ingrained, and should proceed cautiously in dating, really vet the guy and make sure he's a keeper before you get serious. Best of luck, Buffy | |
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Posted: 7/7/2009 4:08:11 PM |
I would say it places a heavy value on machismo, and not intimacy. Words also have a different meaning. Like sex doesn't mean what Americans assume it means, kissing, fondling, etc.
I'll try not to be too offended by that generalisation... 
Knowing some outback rancher types, I can understand why you may have made that assumption, but it is based on one person. You learned a lot about "his" culture, not necessarily ours (you may have heard his opinion on our culture). It is wrong to assume all Australian men are like that, it simply isn't true.
( there must be some Australian women out there who can back this up!).
The OP just needs to meet a few more Australian men, not be disheartened by the few she has met so far. There are certainly cultural differences, that must be expected surely, but they are not insurmountable by any means. Sure, some Australian men will never be intimate, but I am sure there must be American and English men like that too... | |
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Posted: 7/8/2009 6:03:02 AM |
....places a heavy value on machismo....
Thank you for that, you have struck the nail on the head. A lot of Aussie blokes are just too keen on being "blokey" and usually the finer qualities are discarded because they would have their mates calling them a poofter. So it is beer, sport, beer, swearing, and more beer. Then no one can call you a fag like they would if you tried having a conversation that suggested that you had some sort of intellect, were educated and that you might have read something other than the sports pages.
Note I did not say all Aussie men are like this, but a lot of them are. | |
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Posted: 7/8/2009 6:22:00 AM | funny how Oz has a huge coastline and most of us live near it.....
and most hardly relate to the macho/bushy stuff....
there's musos, surfies,arty hippys,fishos, marketeers, ferals,skaters, bikers.... not much time for being tvsport clones",,,, or being all blokey blokey... as women do these things too...
I haven't drank beer for over 15 yrs... live on a block with horse paddocks on every side... yet can't remember the last time I actually rode a horse..... early 80's maybe....
just when do stereotypes get updated and expanded?...  | |
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Posted: 7/8/2009 6:40:21 AM |
A lot of Aussie blokes are just too keen on being "blokey" and usually the finer qualities are discarded because they would have their mates calling them a poofter.
Bit worried about that. I class myself as a naturally "blokey bloke" at my local our circle of friends definitely sit and talk sh*t as guys do, we watch footy and yell at the screen when the wrong team scores..........some drink beer, some prefer a nice Chardy, Shiraz or a scotch, we even talk to Bourbon drinkers and WOW teatotallers!
but a reasonable portion of the group ARE poofters! heck some are even SHIELAS...lol
Acceptance of the natural nature of others and a reasonable amount of self confidence and security in your own sexuality helps a little.....Not all BLOKES are tarred with your generalised attitudes, and if you show interest and get off the pedistal you may even find the tiniest hair of intelligence, culture and a strong sence of heritage under the machismo, even with a lot of the younger generation that I know. Unfortunately there are some there that will use and abuse if you dont "hold out to find out"
This is not limited to us ignorant beer swilling blokes though, it applies to a lot of intelligent, yuppie, trendy, metrosexuals as well
"It is easy in the world to live after the world's opinions; it is easy in solitude to live after your own; but the great man is he who in the midst of the crowd keeps with perfect sweetness the independence of solitude” - Ralph Waldo Emerson
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Posted: 7/8/2009 8:39:19 AM | This is from an Australian born bloke... dont let my appearence fool ya Im part Filopino and Part Czech but born here in Australia Ive been seeing some of these interesting posts around here. Hear me out Because I can explain some areas.
I have always been single, I have never been on a relationship so thats why im on this site. I have been nightclubbing since I was 18. Yes I might get the occasional phone number and occasionally they turn out to be fake but thats as far I can get. Keep in Mind I live in Adelaide in South Australia. Sydney in New South Wales might be different altogether.
A guy like me in ways is how can describe it "not confident". When I go out night clubbing I NEVER go to a group of Ladies who are hanging with their friends! Reason: If I approach them and talk to them, they will laugh at me and shoot me down leading to being scared, imtimidated and having my confidence dented.
I always try to talk to Ladies if they are by themselves so I can interact with them. Usually most times I ask whether thay are single they turn out to be taken!
Some Aussie men do get nervous speaking to other Ladies espcially attractive ones such as yourself. I would too.
Its weird everytime I go clubbing I have never seen a girl make the 1st move towards a guy. Its always the guy approaching the girl.
You could say im a shy bloke... I guess im not the only one.
To be honest im starting to think whether its even worth going out to the city this Saturday night.
Ah well the search for finding a nice lady continues on... Ive said my bit.
One last thing.... You said you are from Miami? Ive been to the US 3 years ago and let me tell you something... Miami kicks ass! | |
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Posted: 7/8/2009 3:32:31 PM |
Not all BLOKES are tarred with your generalised attitudes
You missed the bit where I said not all Aussie guys are like this, just a lot of them. This is a generalised discussion on Aussie men and there will always be exceptions in any topic that is up for discussion.
I guess if you like blokey blokes, blokey poofters and blokey sheilas, Australia is the best place to find one. | |
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Posted: 7/8/2009 4:50:06 PM | | If you're expecting Australian men to make all the moves then you're going to have a lot of first dates. You've presenting yourself as strong and indepentant and said in your profile that the second date if up to you. If it is up to you then asking him out is also up to you. If you want a second date, ask for one. The best time to ask for a second date is at the end of the first one. | |
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Posted: 7/8/2009 7:30:12 PM | hey Prac.. I didn't give up beer for sexual reasons... it's pharrkin crapp!!...  ... full of preservatives and yeasts,carbs ... and half a stubbie now gives me an instant migraine..... since the early 90's.... something changed in the beer recipe, I reckon.....
I find good quality aged bourbon a better,safer, alternative....it's less bloating and I'm not drawn to public bar happy hour swills .......  ... | |
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