| Thoughts on truth
Posted: 9/16/2009 9:05:40 PM | Doesn't Fox news report the truth?
Oh wait thats truthiness................. | |
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| Thoughts on truth
Posted: 9/16/2009 10:48:06 PM | I remember an episode of Bevis and Buthead from when I was a young teen
Bevis and Buthead where sent in to take a polygraph after some money from the store they worked in had gone missing. The operator hooked Butthead up to all the wires and then started asking questions
Operator: "What is you're name"
Butthead: "Butt-Head"
Operator:"How many figures am I holding up?"
Butthead: "4"
Operator:"Well, it's actually 3, but because you believed it was 4, it came back you where telling the truth"
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I'm also a huge fan of Houses rules "Truth begins in lies!"
Truth is Fact... doesn't matter what anyone thinks... even if 'no one' is aware of the real fact. | |
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Posted: 9/16/2009 11:33:22 PM | Generally, there are accepted truths and there are the absolute truths.
People who rate low on their spiritual mastery are prone to accepting truths as told to them by anyone whom they percieve as sources of absolute truths (leaders they idolize, high priests who are so-called mouths of god, etc..) without investigating for themselves if it is actually true.
People who rate high on their spiritual and no limit thinking can spot truths and falsehoods easily whether a child, guru or a political leader says it. They are able to parse properly all the hidden signals and define what it is that is true. | |
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Posted: 9/17/2009 12:13:25 AM | most things, we will never know.
lots of things we can't be sure about.
many of the things we are sure about are not true.
heard somewhere,
the truth shall make you free.
kind of makes sense. | |
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Posted: 9/24/2009 9:12:57 PM | we may believe that the world is round and not flat. is our perception of reality true? sometimes yes and sometimes no. what i see is not necessarily what you see. the world looks pretty flat until you see a picture of it from space, or do some mathematical equations. who's to say that some day some new math will "proves" the earth has no shape at all.
we appear as babies and breathe and desire more. we become aware of our existence and desires. we attempt to satisfy our desires. some desires might get satisfied, but we will stop breathing and become nothing. that is truth as i see it. | |
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Posted: 9/25/2009 1:37:35 AM | Good old Aristotle.
"To say of something which is that it is not, or to say of something which is not that it is, is false. However, to say of something which is that it is, or of something which is not that it is not, is true." | |
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Posted: 9/25/2009 1:44:30 AM | | truth more often then not is an Axiom, opinions etc.. because there is some truth is almost anything..besides religion of course. niether here nor there really.. it is quite a grey sort of area as there are many different philosophies. | |
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Posted: 9/25/2009 7:24:00 AM |
I suggest that the truth is true, even if no one believes it.
If you held the truth about truth so closely, you wouldn't be asking for the popular opinion
of it.
s'truth! | |
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Posted: 10/12/2009 11:36:55 PM |
If you held the truth about truth so closely, you wouldn't be asking for the popular opinion of it.
s'truth!
Not necessarily... I asked more out of curiosity of where the majority stood than to end with my acceptance of go-with-the-flow consensus.
If something false became true because more people believed it than not, we would have all of God's power in our hands, if only we could agree on what is right. As things stand, I cannot believe this to be the case. 40 years ago, everyone thought that the computer you're sitting in front of was impossible. The effort of a very few engineers changed the world's opinion *after* the world saw what was possible, not before.
How many times did a single scientist discover something "impossible"? Was that man a god for discovering something? After all, he proved something commonly considered impossible to be true; he must have changed reality by himself! Hardly... Our bodies follow the laws of nature. We don't write the rules, we follow them. | |
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Posted: 10/13/2009 12:03:28 AM | | Truth is true by definition. The only thing that gets called into question is our perception of it. I like to think of Truth (note the capitalization) as an objective thing. It is what it is. Unfortunately, the only thing we can do is say things about it from a limited perspective. Hopefully our perceptions yield some insight that we can call truths, but I doubt that we can know real Truth in its entirety. We may stumble upon Truth as one of the truths, but we'll probably never know for sure that it was The Truth. | |
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Posted: 10/13/2009 1:12:21 AM | One thing I can definitely say: Truth is not derived from 'conventional wisdom' or 'popular opinion'.
The truth is what is. The world being flat was never the truth. The world being spherical was. Flat Earth theory was an assumption. A lot of people thought it was the truth, and they'd be telling the truth if they told you that was what they believed, but it wasn't the truth. As for the earth being spherical we can be pretty confident. We can make a lot of very reliable calculations based on numbers calculated several centuries ago. We wouldn't have to put a man in space to prove the earth was pretty freakin' round. | |
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Posted: 10/13/2009 12:48:46 PM |
How many times did a single scientist discover something "impossible"? Was that man a god for discovering something? After all, he proved something commonly considered impossible to be true; he must have changed reality by himself! Hardly... Our bodies follow the laws of nature. We don't write the rules, we follow them.
The man may not have changed Reality (ontological truth) but he changed the reality we experience, the reality we live and ultimatley the reality we care about.
If the notion of ontological truth exists with regards to a Reality, a certain Truth about things, we are so divorced from it now that it hardly matters. The only truths that matter to us are the ones that affect our living reality, if the Truths of Reality itself are in agreement with them, then no problem as far as society is concerned.
Once upon a time we might have been closer to this Reality and Truth. Did it make our lives any better or more meaningful? I can't really answer that question. What did happen is we judged this Reality, and what Truths lie therein, and built our society in all aspects to mirror, to simulate this Truth. Thing is as time went on we tended to be more prone to making further judgements and changes to our society based on our "mirror of truth" rather than Truth. Over a continued period, this essentially means Truth itself is meaningless, for it is not referred to as an object of epistemology. Truth now becomes those established pillars in our society that were simulations of something perhaps quite different long ago. Conventional truth. It works as well as Truth itself, for if it is not so far divorced from the world as to be blatently obvious and protested, then who will challenge the reality of the situation?
Conventional truth is essentially empty of ontological meaning (but not completely) but is meaningful for our societal concern.
Truth, THE Truth IS ontological meaning but is without purpose to our society.
(edit) I am talking about a more philosophical truth I realize here. It still applies I guess. With reference to "flat/round earth" you could argue that yes, those who posited both views did wield great power over our conventional reality. Although the TRUE status of the Earth (round) at this point had never changed, one could argue that it's True state was meaningless to us at the prior point. One could argue still, in a way, this data is still meaningless for someone, for example, who has no concern/desire to travel into space, and immerses themselves in their "world" of the city, their families, and friends. Until events from another country (or indeed, planet) rock this "reality boat" nobody really cares and just keeps marching along.
It has happened before after all. | |
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Posted: 10/13/2009 10:05:56 PM | I suppose that people cease to care about the Truth because it lies outside their sphere of direct influence. It's rather a shame though, don't you think? We tend to live in our constructed world of illusion rather than to strive for what is absolute. We get lulled into a state of assumed omniscience because we can simply rationalize away that which doesn't fit our world view.
So, I might ask in order to break the habit, where does Truth come from? | |
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Posted: 10/13/2009 10:16:17 PM | | From the outside of your experience and your firm belief that you are right. Truth surprises and startles you out of complacency and assures that you never rest easy. There is more going on than what is in front of your nose and mind. At any age, truth can hurt and disarm your well constructed defenses. In the end truth is something you handle with gratitude and release, truth is liberating. | |
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Posted: 10/13/2009 11:14:54 PM | | Hrm... Using that idea though, you can't know any Truth because it is always outside of your experience. Even if you had it, you wouldn't be able to hold to it because that would contradict the part about believing you are right. | |
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Posted: 10/19/2009 12:43:14 PM | | Don't confuse truth with facts. The examples you provided, "the world is round" is a fact, not truth. The world isn't round. What world? The only reason the world is round is because there is a person there to perceive the concept of roundness. Without a particular perspective of consciousness, the world disappears entirely. Never mind what the world is. The real question is, who is it that sees the world? Who are you? | |
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Posted: 10/20/2009 4:23:57 PM | | To get the full understanding of truth, one needs to be very aware of the opposite. Jesus spoke of the "spirit of truth", and later reminded us to be aware of the spirit of anti-truth. Truth is good. But like John Denver said, "the truth is hard to come by". You can get there but you have to work at it with all your heart. We should all be sincere seekers of truth. But it is clear there is a spirit in some that seeks only to lie, obfuscate, confuse, delude, counterfeit, mislead, misrepresent, and otherwise seek to prevent people from finding the truth. Note how quickly certain ones raise the devil when someone speaks the truth of God. They are all over you like a cheap suit. Once you know who these people are and it becomes obvious what spirit they are of, it's a sure sign that a conversation is approaching the truth when they more quickly jump on it with their one note song. The closer it is to the ultimate truth, the more virulently insulting they get. The truth is a rock. Throw it into a group of dogs, and the one that yelps, is the one that got hit. | |
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Posted: 10/21/2009 10:35:55 PM | Truth is one thing only, reality. The current reality in which you exist. Whether you believe in the ocean or not, step in it and you're going to get wet. Forget all manner of possibility and dimension in which the laws of the universe - with which we must abide - don't exist or change or what have you, cocnern yourself instead with what is reality and skip the semantics.
"Physical reality is consistent with universal laws. Where the laws do not operate, there is no reality -- we judge reality by the responses of our senses. Once we are convinced of the reality of a given situation, we abide by its rules"
- Spock | |
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Posted: 10/22/2009 2:52:21 AM | Truth is subjective. One person's 'opinion' of the truth may not tally with anothers. For example someone may say "such and such is ugly" and to them it's true - their opinion. The next person may say "No, I think he's attractive". Think any celebrity for example.
I believe we have our own truths and our own belief system. Often other people wish to interfere with that - or influence our thoughts or feelings in their favour. For example someone who abuses you will often try and twist things round on the victim and make them feel it's 'their fault'. The truth is that the abuser is at fault but they of course wish to take no responsibility for that - instead deflecting onto the victim. That way they get power but also can continue their cycle of abuse. This can be applied to any form of abuse - from school bullying to sexual harassment in the workplace, or an abusive relationship.
My truth won't be affected by others who wish to poison it these days. Once upon a time I was highly susceptible to other people's influence; very naive and very gullible. Although being duped into believing other people's truth (I love you, for example) can make you feel better at the time, ultimately I prefer to know what's bullsh*t and am happier being secure in my own mind. | |
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Posted: 10/22/2009 3:10:57 AM | Here is what Friedrich Nietzsche had to say on the subject:
"What then is truth? A movable army of metaphors, metonymies, and anthropomorphisms: in short, a sum of human relations which have been poetically and rhetorically intensified, transferred, and embellished, and which, after long usage, seem to a people to be fixed, canonical, and binding. Truths are illusions which we have forgotten are illusions — they are metaphors that have become worn out and have been drained of sensuous force; coins which have lost their embossing and are now considered as metal and no longer as coins." | |
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Posted: 10/22/2009 6:51:13 AM | Truth definitely cannot be defined by popular opinion, because the populace never has all the facts. It cannot have all the facts due to deficiencies of access due to pre-existing deficiencies in intellect, time, environmental neutrality, media bias and probably a lot of other factors (that I have insufficient access, intellect, time, or environmental neutrality to consider). Phew. Now I feel almost too stupid to post this.
Consider for instance that my and Rush Limbaugh's truths are at opposite ends of the spectrum.
Only if ALL significants facts were available and known could the value of variance in perspective be applied. And I think between intelligent beings, variances in perspective can always be resolved.
In the words of Jack Webb: "Just the facts." | |
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Posted: 10/22/2009 11:14:35 PM | | Although truth ought to be universal and timeless, the brand of truth that we're faced with in this modern world is considerably different than the one in Socrates’ day. Back then, there was an emphasis on honor and integrity. Today, it seems as if the only thing sacred is fame and the almighty dollar. Trampled in the path of idols like Michael Jackson, impressionable youth don’t care if he committed a heinous crime so long as he looks good doing the moonwalk. It doesn’t matter what you do any more, it’s all about how good you look doing it. | |
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Posted: 10/23/2009 3:46:19 PM | TRUTH …. Interesting perspectives in this thread, some I agree with (appear TRUE to me) and other’s I disagree with, which then appear to be false and Untrue. Assuming that we are all suppose to be stating what is “truth” and what isn’t … how can we have so many varying definitions when the truth is suppose to be the Truth. Also, truths can and do change all the time and sometimes things we once believed to be true are disgarded and replaced with new and current truths ....as we continue to grow.
The way I see it is ~ Truth is individual. It is based on our perception, and how we’ve been conditioned through our experiences and the previous thoughts of said Truth’s by our families, institutions, instructors, and social media’s. Our truths are simply an extension of our beliefs and perceptions.
For example, lets suppose that POF had a party and we all attended and after that party we were asked to state the Truth of what happened at the party.
Lets imagine that Janet and Johnny hooked up and had a wonderful time.
Dave and Karen hit it off early in the evening and then got into a major disagreement and didn’t talk for the rest of the night.
Andy was attracted to Janet but saw that Janet was more interested in Dave than in him.
Amy couldn’t wait for the night to end because she had a killer migraine and had to get up early for work the next day.
Bob was still morning his X and drank too much and was pretty much a downer all night.
Looking at the testimony from all the party attendees as they state the Truth of the evening, you would begin to wonder if some of these people were even at the same event …. And yet they all claim to be telling the Truth.
In conclusion …. Someone’s lying and it isn’t me ….LOL
Peace & Truth .... the FairyHealer ...+*+*+*+ | |
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Posted: 10/23/2009 4:26:46 PM | Pondering on TRUTH,
I think for me it means something that holds water and doesnt leak, Constant, reliable and never changing. You might not like it, and constantly fight against it. To the point of breaking yourself on it. But Truth never wavers it's solid and you have to accept it in the end. Because it walks hand in hand with Reality.
Just thinkin | |
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Posted: 10/23/2009 8:23:26 PM | | hi.....Truth = God.. if we connect to God we connect with Truth... man can define Truth when he is inspired by Gods Spirit otherwise he is influenced outside of God and that would be counterfeit to Truth... man is arrogant enough to think that he can define Truth for himself but in fact man has done nothing more than think himself to be God... Truth is Universal and Constant ... blessings | |
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