| Lets Talk Politics - Do you believe in the Death Penality?
Posted: 6/8/2009 7:39:09 AM | I have always considered myself a middle of the road Democrat...
Though I'm a democrat, I've always been FOR the death penality. I always felt that if you had such ill regard for another persons life, then you dont deserve yours. Eye for an eye type of attitude.
BUT, just recently within the last week, I've changed my view.
Now, I've decided that nobody but God should put somebody to death. If God wants you dead, you'll die. Everything happens for a reason, and its Gods will. Not myself, a Judge, Jury, or anybody else should have the power to end a life. Only God should have that power.
Thoughts?
Hi, I am an Australian and I am not a Christian, but your opinion makes sense here, didn't Jesus die on the cross to forgive our sins?
Having said that, no I don't believe in the death penalty, I think it is a draconian law and should be abolished, however in contradiction I do believe in the right to justifiably kill in self defense. | |
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| Lets Talk Politics - Do you believe in the Death Penality?
Posted: 6/8/2009 8:28:41 AM | Rocket Man, I like your two possible alternatives to execution.
I struggle with this question often. I would never vote for a government that wanted to bring the death penalty back to the UK, but then there are cases, such as the recent one of Baby Peter, brutalised, beaten and tortured to death by his stepfather and mother, which make me feel so angry and sad and disgusted - I don't think those two vile creatures have any right to live. If they were dogs we'd have them put down. BUT I don't think I or anyone else has the right to decide who has the right to live. | |
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| Lets Talk Politics - Do you believe in the Death Penality?
Posted: 6/10/2009 9:58:47 PM | So .... I gather that all of you who are for the death penalty .... don't care wether of not innocent people have been set free from death row ???? .......... BASED ON FACTS ???? Wow !! ...... how very disappointed in MANKIND ..... I am .... !!
Note to self ....... The Human Race .......... SUCKS !!!!!
It's destiny is deserved !!!!!!  | |
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| Lets Talk Politics - Do you believe in the Death Penality?
Posted: 6/11/2009 1:25:32 AM | If you are going to bring up God then doesnt it say in the bible .. We are to obey the laws of the land and "A eye for a eye" ? ...
The Bible is the Christian texts right? Christians- followers of Christ. Didn't he mention something about turning the other cheek? | |
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| Lets Talk Politics - Do you believe in the Death Penality?
Posted: 6/11/2009 4:25:16 PM | | I used to be against the death penalty, but in recent years I have changed my mind. Canada should bring it back, IMO. People like Paul Bernardo, Willie Pickton, Clifford Olsen etc. do not deserve to live. I do believe that it should be applied only with clear, convincing proof of the person's guilt. With modern forensics, including DNA testing, and the appeals process, I believe the chances of convicting an innocent person to be less than neglible in this day and age. I do not believe in executing without strong physical evidence and only on "eyewitness" testimony. | |
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| Lets Talk Politics - Do you believe in the Death Penality?
Posted: 6/12/2009 1:22:38 AM |
I do believe that it should be applied only with clear, convincing proof of the person's guilt.
It has been. Only for the clear, convincing proof to be overturned after the person's execution, on occasion.
Posthumous exoneration is cold comfort. | |
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| Lets Talk Politics - Do you believe in the Death Penality?
Posted: 6/12/2009 5:04:08 PM | I like the way Texas feels about Capital Punishment.... They have an EXPRESS Lane!
I do feel that if a criminal feels that his/her own Death may be a consequence of his/her actions, I have a hard time believing that he/she would not think twice about committing the crime in the first place.
I don't feel that some people should be made to be the example in the situation, however, If the consequences are steeper, I think crime would be less. Just like when we were kids... If mom & dad were too lenient than we as children were most likely to go do it again without thinking. If the punishment was stiffer, we thought twice about it.
CowTrucker
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| Lets Talk Politics - Do you believe in the Death Penality?
Posted: 6/12/2009 5:54:26 PM | Ex-Youth Pastor Gets Life
Matthew Andersen Convicted Of Sexually Abusing Teenage Boy
POSTED: Friday, June 12, 2009
UPDATED: 8:41 am CDT June 12, 2009
NEW BRAUNFELS, Texas -- A former New Braunfels youth pastor was sentenced Thursday to life in prison for sexually assaulting a teenage boy.
Jurors took 45 minutes to decide punishment on Matthew Andersen, who was found guilty Wednesday on seven counts of sexual assault and indecency with a child.
Because Andersen had a prior conviction in a similar case in 2003 while he was a youth pastor in Alabama, a relatively new Texas law provided for "enhanced punishment," which made the defendant eligible to receive a life sentence.
During closing arguments, prosecutor Steve Delemos told jurors that Andersen "has made it abundantly clear that he's a predator. The only thing we can do with predators is lock them away."
The victim, who was 16 when he was a member of the Tree of Life Church in 2005, told jurors that Andersen blamed the sexual encounters on visions from God.
Sorry this happen to this young man...but hopefully many will be safe... | |
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| Lets Talk Politics - Do you believe in the Death Penality?
Posted: 6/12/2009 7:06:52 PM | Hello all
Yes I believe in the Death Penalty..The person who murdered did too.
Reap what you sow..Eye for an eye.
With DNA and no slick lawyers verbage, it is pretty simple really.
You kill,,you die...DUH!!!!!
 Lbiker | |
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| Lets Talk Politics - Do you believe in the Death Penality?
Posted: 6/12/2009 8:05:25 PM | I don't and I'm like you OP...used to think it was fine when I was younger, but do not now.
There's a guy on death row here, who was convicted of killing a cop based on the testimony of 9 witnesses....7 have recanted. No weapons, no DNA evidence and no fingerprints were recovered....his name is Troy Davis.
More about him here...
http://www.southernstudies.org/2009/05/global-day-of-action-held-for-ga-death-row-inmate-troy-davis.html
http://www.troyanthonydavis.org/
Brandie | |
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| Lets Talk Politics - Do you believe in the Death Penality?
Posted: 6/17/2009 7:20:47 PM | What is astonishing to me is the consideration of religion but not for the law. I hope you disqualify yourselves if you intend to override the law.
Texas has the most people on DeathRow IN THE WORLD and Harris County where I live has the most in the state. And the Crime Labs have been shut down twice due to raging errors from contaminated evidence to "finding" evidence to support prosecution, to lost and untested DNA samples. We're talking years of questionable convictions here, not 5%(or whatever percentage is "acceptable error rate"). Witnesses are the least reliable evidence including victim witnesses.
I believe the death penalty is widely over used in this state. Further, it has not reduced crime, citing Crime in America - 2009. Our education spending is 38th in the world in spite of our relative prosperity. Crime dense neighborhoods are poor. If we can get kids into boarding schools to get them out of bad neighborhoods, we might hamper the next generation of habitual criminals.
Lest you think I am soft on crime, the last jury I served on, we gave the defendant life for assaulting a homeowner with his own unloaded shotgun or rifle, breaking it in half and putting the homeowner in the hospital for two weeks with a broken jaw and broken defensive wounds on his hands and wrists.
Only two things matter. How much confidence in the judicial system. What does the law say. | |
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| Lets Talk Politics - Do you believe in the Death Penality?
Posted: 6/17/2009 7:23:53 PM | | I'm entirely in favour of the death penalty....as long as we are absolutely certain we've got the right person. Since that's a very rare thing indeed , right now I have no choice but to reject its use. Based on our past history using capital punishment we're not too precise. | |
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| Lets Talk Politics - Do you believe in the Death Penality?
Posted: 6/17/2009 8:54:57 PM | Life in prison cheaper? I doubt it. It costs $25000 to keep them there and it's our tax dollars. Then we pay fot the court system, the judge defense attorney, etc.
I am for death penalty given it is proven beyond doubt that this person killed another.
A dog bites or mauls someone and it gets killed, yet we keep child molesters, rapists, and murderers alive | |
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| Lets Talk Politics - Do you believe in the Death Penality?
Posted: 6/17/2009 9:13:14 PM | | Somebody mentioned "Stoning them to death". Sign me up to be a rock thrower. The people in the position to be on death row are really the scum of the earth. They commit a terrible, intentional crime and not only need to be put down, they deserve to be stoned to death. We could get the rocks for free. | |
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| Lets Talk Politics - Do you believe in the Death Penality?
Posted: 6/17/2009 9:55:19 PM | So I've been wondering the past couple days if the death penalty can be actually considered more "humane" in ways ... and in some cases?
What got me thinking that was in the case of younger, smaller boys/men being sent to prison for long sentences (max prisons) - meaning that they will have many years of being raped and knocked around by the "big guys'. One might say "too bad ... should've thought of that BEFORE they committed their crimes ... But, is it really right to "feed them to the wolves" for so many years (or the rest of their natural lives)? | |
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| Lets Talk Politics - Do you believe in the Death Penality?
Posted: 6/18/2009 4:58:30 AM | ^^Of course it's not right... although I don't think execution is the solution either.
Many of the threats in prisons could be alleviated ... but that would take work and money and society isn't willing to invest those things. That said, I think it is pretty horrific to basically say, "we put human beings who are criminals in horribly unsafe and inhumane situations, and perhaps it would be more fair to kill them." How about we just take responsibility for our own actions and not force people into inhumane situations to begin with?
Just a thought. | |
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| Lets Talk Politics - Do you believe in the Death Penality?
Posted: 6/18/2009 5:49:11 AM | I believe in the death penalty ONLY if the person being sentenced is executed within days of the verdict being delivered.
This 'sitting on death row for "X" number of years and appealing the decision' is both a joke and a waste of tax payers money by keeping the inmate fed and housed until such a day comes that the original verdict gets handed down.
I can also see how 'prison overcrowding' is/has become/becoming a problem and since I doubt less people are going to start committing fewer crimes, then something has to be done in order to 'thin out' the prison population otherwise, it's just going to get so bad, and so dangerous for the prison guards, that the # of guards who work there are not going to want to risk their lives by either being stabbed or beat up and killed during a prison outbreak. | |
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| Lets Talk Politics - Do you believe in the Death Penality?
Posted: 6/18/2009 6:00:33 AM | This 'sitting on death row for "X" number of years and appealing the decision' is both a joke and a waste of tax payers money
I dont have a problem with an inmate sitting Death Row till all his appeals are heard...
If a State cant afford Justice, then they should not have the Death penalty...Hes gonna be sitting in a cell on a Life charge anyway...Where is the Logic in that. | |
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| Lets Talk Politics - Do you believe in the Death Penality?
Posted: 6/18/2009 9:24:54 AM | I believe in the Death Penalty. I also say give them a limited number of appeals.
You want to make the death penalty a deterrent? Televise one  ....and require every inmate in every state and federal prison to watch it. Right now it's an abstract to them, make it real and it will be a deterrent.
I am quite certain that public beheadings, stoning and hangings in Muslim countries- as horrific as they are- DO serve as a deterrent for good or ill.
I'm not saying I have any respect for their laws or the way "justice" is meaded out in those countries, just that witnessing something like that is almost certain to have a deterrent effect. | |
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