| Lets Talk Politics - Do you believe in the Death Penality?
Posted: 7/13/2009 6:17:48 PM | as all good death penalty proponents
not one word have you written about that little dilemma-
what to do about those sentenced or killed who were wrongly accused...
but don't concern yourself with that-
those innocents killed are probably more than happy to be martyred to keep you feeling safe-
so let me get the broom for you
so you can just sweep that little incidental under the rug... | |
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| Lets Talk Politics - Do you believe in the Death Penality?
Posted: 7/13/2009 6:38:57 PM |
Seems to me that in most states the Governor can commute any criminal sentence, including one for Murder or otherwise grant a release from custody.
And exactly how many of these murderers (who've been sentenced to LWOP) are getting pardoned? Is it more than 1?
Practically speaking, the maximum most will spend behind bars is no more than 20 years with the exception of the most outrageous or highly publicized cases.
Practically speaking, you practically pulled that out of your butt, right? Life without parole means life without parole.
"Life without parole" is never a 100% sure thing because of the loopholes that exist.
Yeah, that whole thing about how some of the guilty have been found innocent years later is a real "loophole"
I don't think it's any cheaper than the death penalty.
You're entitled to your own opinion, but you're not entitled to your own facts. LWOP is cheaper than DP, and that's a fact
If you're talking about court time and endless appeals, there are those doing life who are going through the very same steps, building up the very same expenses
If you're talking about the courtime and similar stuff, then I know you don't know squat about the subject and that I do know about this stuff.
Capital cases, by law, place a much higher burden on the state. Not only do they have a higher burden of proof, the state has a greater obligation to the accussed, which in practical terms means that the state hires several lawyers to work on behalf of the client, even if the client can afford their own attorney.
Furthermore, capital cases almost always atttract greater attention from the media, and interest organizations. The confluence of interests, and the passions involved, often place additional costs on the state. One would have to be completely removed form the real world in order to think the difference were merely a difference in sentences.
In that sense, it's no cheaper, except for the $2.00 in chemicals it takes to carry out the death sentence. The lifer will go on and on and on...How is warehousing all of these scum cheaper?
Again, one would have to be completely removed form the real world in order to think the difference was merely a difference in sentences. What you say is nothing more than a violently sick fantasy that betrays your sense of powerlessness. Meanwhile, in the real world, the accused has a right to due process, a trial, and even as many appeals as it takes to ensure that the accused rights are not infringed.
And that costs money. Your fantasies are free, but real life costs money. | |
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| Lets Talk Politics - Do you believe in the Death Penality?
Posted: 7/13/2009 6:47:48 PM | On a national scale, I do not believe in the death penalty. Just because I am a Christian and don't see how it can be 'without doubt' enough to ensure that it is always used properly. Also, there is no evidence that having a death penalty option reduces crime.
On a personal scale, however, I would kill anyone that had seriously harmed a loved one. That I have no problem with. | |
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| Lets Talk Politics - Do you believe in the Death Penality?
Posted: 7/13/2009 8:31:23 PM |
I think people who believe in the death penalty should do the killing themselves.
If they are comfortable with being a murderer, so be it.
When you ask a person who supports the death penalty whether they will pull the switch or administer the lethal injection, often their iron-clad belief waivers.
They want it done, but not by their hand.
This is a bogus arguement, there is no blood thirst, no glee, and no party feeling to executions. but even legal executions are difficult for the executionor. many are replaced as a Juror is. if you had someone sit on a jury in a Heinous murder case after heinous murder case, that juror would melt down, even though he's doing his civic duty, their psyche could only take so much.
I believe I do have the temperment to carry out a sentance of death. but I dont thnk I would want to make it my Profession
Where in my statement does it indicate that I am saying that people enjoy killing or have a thirst for it?
You've proven my point with your last statement. You're okay with it being done, but you don't want to do it. | |
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| Lets Talk Politics - Do you believe in the Death Penality?
Posted: 7/14/2009 7:13:55 AM | looking into the death penalty i thought about how could you put down a man or a women for seeking revenge for killing one of there loved ones. And there was a number of ways we could get around this, Either by introducing the death penalty obviously but then again would that stop you from decapitating some creatures body for the act they committed no it wouldn't would it. So if the death penalty was implicated then i think its only fair the people most hurt by the act should commit what ever they wish onto the individual. But thats all wishful thinking and in no way will this ever happen. unless you vote for me in the next elections.
Then theres the...if the death penalty was in place we wouldn't be reading about what we read about as regularly as we do. Thats of course we don't **** foot around the issue and spend millions on court fees etc like our fellow American friends do. | |
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| Lets Talk Politics - Do you believe in the Death Penality?
Posted: 7/14/2009 7:53:41 AM | You've proven my point with your last statement. You're okay with it being done, but you don't want to do it.
Can I do it for one year, then retire, or how about 5 executions...
Your point was clearly to show people that advocate using the death penalty are not able to "flip the switch" so to say...and Im saying that has no weight of merit in wether a peron should agree with or disagree with your arguement.
I believe that I can care and protect myself, but I appreciate that people have dedicated their lives to Protect and Serve us all. If I am against crime and want a professional to protect me, I should not be called out because I cant or would not like to be a Public servant.
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| Lets Talk Politics - Do you believe in the Death Penality?
Posted: 7/14/2009 12:45:55 PM | Your point was clearly to show people that advocate using the death penalty are not able to "flip the switch"
No, I'm saying they don't want to - they want other people to do their dirty work for them.
I believe that I can care and protect myself, but I appreciate that people have dedicated their lives to Protect and Serve us all. If I am against crime and want a professional to protect me, I should not be called out because I cant or would not like to be a Public servant.
I appreciate my garbage being taken out andif push comes to shove, I will do it -- but I appreciate that I don't have to.
But whilst taking out my garbage for me, I'm not asking the garbage man to take someone's life.
See the difference? Apples and oranges.
When it comes to something as serious as life or death, I think it's easy to approve doing something wrong when you don't have to do it. | |
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| Lets Talk Politics - Do you believe in the Death Penality?
Posted: 7/14/2009 1:02:20 PM |
I think it's easy to approve doing something wrong
I might remind you, the Constitution is not wrong.
You may disagree with the law, but until you change the Law, it is Legal.... Them are Apples.
Now, if you want to relagate all those that agree with the Law as...wrong because they would be unwilling or unable to carry out an execution.... Them are Oranges
One not related to the other. | |
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| Lets Talk Politics - Do you believe in the Death Penality?
Posted: 7/14/2009 1:39:19 PM |
Thoughts?
I'm all for the death penalty, and always will be. Capital punishment is what I'd view as a necessary evil. Kinda like how people declared that "freedom ain't free", and enacted things like the Homeland Security and Patriot Act for "our protection" that required them to sacrifice some freedoms along the way...it was also viewed as a necessary evil.
Sometimes, you have to take drastic measures to ensure the greater good. Like the movie Outbreak...they wiped out an entire village to prevent the spread of ebola. The guise being, it's better to sacrifice those villagers than to sacrifice an entire planet.
"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few...or the one."
Appropriate quote.
Where capital punishment is concerned, it would have to be irrefutable evidence that convicts the individual or party for me to fully back the end result of death. I mean truly irrefutable, like a mass of DNA evidence and tests, eye witnesses, video evidence/surveillance, pictures/stills, phone logs, GPS records, a confession...if the evidence was that concrete then if it was a capital crime fitting of capital punishment, then a die for a die is on the menu. And I'd fully back it. 100%.
And none of this years on death row crap either. Once convicted with evidence that concrete, you have 72 hours to make peace with whatever Deity you believe in. 72 hours and several seconds later you will be no longer of this Earth, and no longer a drain on our resources, nor a blight to humanity and those that respect the law. You will cease to be. You will be dead and gone, and good riddance.
People who oppose capital punishment have long cried that it serves as no real deterrent to crimes being committed...well DUH. When they know they'll be on death row for years or even decades, draining OUR resources and getting it better than those on the outside who still have to struggle to keep 3 meals a day...of COURSE it won't deter them. Institute the 72 hour timeline and that will all change dramatically. Criminals will no longer be able to laugh at their jailors and spit in the face of the laws. They'll know that if they get convicted, they'll be put to death in 3 days time. THAT will certainly deter them in rapid fashion.
Just like when you take away privileges from a child, 99% of them will "shape up" in a hurry...so too the same principle by taking away the privilege of being kept alive FOR FREE for years or decades while hanging out on death row...they'll soon shape up.
JMO. | |
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| Lets Talk Politics - Do you believe in the Death Penality?
Posted: 7/14/2009 3:57:44 PM | Placing faith in a concept, no matter how much you think it is true, is sickening when it comes to a life or death situation. Someone could easily manipualte a system based on divine communication.
Don't get me wrong, I just think you shouldn't hide behind "God" because you are too fearful of making the judgement your self.
Personaly I think evreyone deserves to live, but no one should be a threat to society. If someone goes on a killing spree, then they need to be put down. If someone gets caught after killing, then they should be locked in a safe environment for them to enjoy the rest of there life.
Hating and hurting more people doesn't make anything better, your better off forgiving and loving. | |
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| Lets Talk Politics - Do you believe in the Death Penality?
Posted: 7/14/2009 4:12:22 PM | | I think OP is 100% correct. God should decide whether a convicted murderer should live or die. Put them in front of a firing squad, hang them from a tree, hook them up to some juice, or whatever, and see if God will save them. If they survive, turn them loose. | |
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| Lets Talk Politics - Do you believe in the Death Penality?
Posted: 7/14/2009 5:08:24 PM |
AMEERA: I think it's easy to approve doing something wrong
SAguy_06: I might remind you, the Constitution is not wrong.
You may disagree with the law, but until you change the Law, it is Legal.... Them are Apples.
First of all, you didn't quote my full quote, but any way . . . there's a big difference between what is LEGAL and what is morally right. You might want to pick up The Myth of Moral Justice by Thane Rosenbaum
, the subtitle reads, Why our legal system fails to do what's right.
Just because something is lawful doesn't mean it is morally right. There is a great split between what is legal in America and what is moral. Often what justice delivers is a far cry from what is right.
A quote from the book I mentioned above explains the immorality of the law:
"Some examples of human behavior are simply wrong. Murder, torture, incest rape and unspeakable humiliation; these are all affronts to anyone's conception of moral justice--regardless of what religion they practice. We would not wish to find ourselves dignifying such conduct--or fear naming it for what it is--simply because we don't want to be thought of as morally inflexible.
But there are less violations of moral justice that should similarly not be trivialized, otherwise we risk undermining the public's faith in the legal system, and further eroding its legitimacy.
When it comes to the delivery of legal justice, there are numerous indefensible practices that even the most resolute of moral relativists would find objectionable. Crushing the opposition without mercy, obscuring and sabotaging the truth, perpetuating secrets and lies, disacknowledging loss and disallowing people an opportunity to proclaim that loss, treating victims without respect and dignity, refusing to recognize injuries done to the spirit, devaluing everything to money, failing to come to the aid of those in distress and engaging in practices of defensiveness and denial rather than accepting responsibility and undertaking efforts of repair -- each of these, in their own way, violate moral principles that all human beings, in their bones know to be true, regardless of their religious or cultural affiliations.
The procedural morality of the law is the best evidence of how immoral it can be."
As long as the judicial system in America continues to operate in this manner, I will remain against the death penalty.
Now, if you want to relegate all those that agree with the Law as...wrong because they would be unwilling or unable to carry out an execution.... Them are Oranges
One not related to the other.
Obviously it is MY opinion that the death penalty is wrong. I'm not speaking on behalf of any corporation, organization or government entity. So in my opinion, yes they are wrong and yes, the law is wrong, and even more so, in my opinion, because often these individuals would not want the responsibility of doing the killing themselves, which makes them in my view, hypocritically wrong. | |
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| Lets Talk Politics - Do you believe in the Death Penality?
Posted: 7/14/2009 6:52:27 PM | | I live in Cambodia. After having more than a quarter of its population (1.7 million by most estimates) killed by its then government (Khmer Rouge), Cambodia presently has no death penalty. A tough lesson learned. | |
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| Lets Talk Politics - Do you believe in the Death Penality?
Posted: 7/14/2009 6:58:50 PM |
...in my opinion, because often these individuals would not want the responsibility of doing the killing themselves, which makes them in my view, hypocritically wrong.
And, for those of us who would accept the responsibility of dispatching the convicted off this mortal coil? Still hypocrites?
I believe that the death penalty discourages the person who committed and was convicted of a capital crime from committing another--and I believe that at least one person has refrained from murdering another because of the death penalty. | |
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| Lets Talk Politics - Do you believe in the Death Penality?
Posted: 7/14/2009 11:56:22 PM |
I believe that the death penalty discourages the person who committed and was convicted of a capital crime from committing another
then how do you explain repeat offenders? death penalty or no, some people just don't learn. should those people who commit repeated crimes not involving someone dying be sentenced to death too?
and I believe that at least one person has refrained from murdering another because of the death penalty.
in the case of a murderer, do you really think they're thinking of whatever penalty will come their way if caught and convicted when they're committing the act? especiallly crimes of passion. | |
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| Lets Talk Politics - Do you believe in the Death Penality?
Posted: 7/15/2009 12:09:28 AM | Kow626:
-crimes of passion usually do not recieve the death penalty as they are not premeditated and many are commited during bouts of "temporary insanity" (for what that's worth).
-A lot of criminals DO NOT consider their actions based on penalties--however, have you ever heard of the saying that "locked doors keep honest people honest"? I belive it is very applicable here.
-Repeat offenders, well, some people are just losers. Let's face it. Do I think we should kill someone who can't help but shove a packet of gum in their pocket every time they go to the grocery store? No, I don't. However, I don't want to "let them continue", nor do I want to support them for 60 years in prison. I think that psychological evaluation and determination of an individuals true threat to society is warrented in the case of repeat defenders. Only then can a decision reguarding their future be made. | |
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| Lets Talk Politics - Do you believe in the Death Penality?
Posted: 7/15/2009 12:23:47 AM | however, have you ever heard of the saying that "locked doors keep honest people honest"? I belive it is very applicable here.
some people have the criminal instinct and some don't. we've seen it rear it's head more than ever in this economy. allegedly "good people" resorting to crime just to stay afloat. i don't buy it. if that door was unlocked, a truely honest person wouldn't commit any crime because of or relating to it. but a dishonest person will, plain and simple. bait cars are a good example of that. just cuz it's there and ripe for the pickings don't mean you gotta mess with it. and if a dishonest person wanted to take a car, they would, locked or not.
I think that psychological evaluation and determination of an individuals true threat to society is warrented in the case of repeat defenders.
i do agree that we should study the brains of criminals more than we already do to see what makes them tick. but in your shoplifting example, if the person is a long-time repeat offender, what would you do? chop off their hands like some countries or something else more or less severe since you don't wanna spend money keeping them in prison? what would your solution be in this case? | |
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| Lets Talk Politics - Do you believe in the Death Penality?
Posted: 7/15/2009 6:46:39 AM | Wow
First you run on the assumption that god exists.
If GOD doesn't exists ...should we then not police ourselves?
Calm down i believe in god...this is just open speculation on my end.
Now here comes the real rub.
God does not ONLY have the power to take life.
GOD gave it to us as well.
so following this logic
You think only God should have that power.
but GOD thought different.
(be careful you may start spouting off what god was thinking when he did this)
and in the end you do not know.
The conversation should end there but
i'm sure you will rationalize that part like most humans do.
What humans don't have the power to do is send a person to hell.
That is truly gods domain. | |
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| Lets Talk Politics - Do you believe in the Death Penality?
Posted: 8/2/2009 3:01:49 PM | http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/276752
27 years imprisoned for a murder he didn't commit...
why am I against the death penalty?
because too many men and women
have been falsely accused
and wrongly convicted~ | |
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