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| Why Do I See More Caucasian Men Dating Asian Women?
Posted: 5/31/2007 10:53:32 AM |
How's that for political uncorrectiveness?
To go you one further, I think you're on the right track but you're missing the real crux of your point.
American society today is a victim culture. IE, "Give me something, I'm downtrodden." So we have all these overcompensating programs and tendencies to elevate minorities in order to make up for whatever perceived injustices they may face.
Asians are a minority, so as you noted, they've been elevated.
However, women are also a minority.
So Asian women are a double bonus. They're "more minority-ity" than Asian men. By putting them into the spotlight, you score points with both Asians *and* feminists.
I don't really think it's the fact that anyone's actively trying to discourage Asian males - but rather it's a side effect of of the social pendulum swinging towards a more feminist society ("You go, girl!") colliding with the general victim culture vis-av-vis affirmative action programs in America today. | |
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| Why Do I See More Caucasian Men Dating Asian Women?
Posted: 5/31/2007 11:33:47 PM | I see your point wonkabar, but I think there's more to it than that. At the same time there's compensating programs, there's still discrimination. Just like businesses never do 'anything' unless they come out further ahead than the customer they're giving a deal to, there's no handouts made where the idea is not for personal benefit by the powers that be. The 'Civil Rights Movement' theoretically should of benefited all races, but instead it brought the focus more solely on Black Americans at that time. And it's benefits are seen today by the power some of their activist groups wield, and the number of high profile leaders/speakers that outnumber those of other races. When the Activist Groups come down on a public figure for making a racial slur, he's pretty much heading to the chopping block. One of the last things I'm sure the powers that be want is another Civil Rights Movement by another racial group.
When Asian Americans make noise about a racial slur made by a DJ, it lingers around the internet for awhile before anything's done, if anything 'ever' gets done. The 2 DJ's who made prank calls to Asian restaurants on the air, were unfortunate enough to of done it the same night of the Imus scandal. They had to take action on them when the complaints came in. And they were only suspended for a period of time as I understand it. There's more of a tendency to hide the fact that there are other activist groups, perhaps even especially Asian groups. By making noise about what they are doing for Black Americans, they can maintain a "keeping up appearances" fixture. And realistically, in spite of any action or civil rights groups run by whites, the minority groups themselves are still kept at bay. They're still kept on the lower levels of the totem pole. These programs haven't brought them equality, nor elevated them above us. Giving various hand-outs to some individuals just keeps them at the 'desired' level of the totem pole by the powers that be.
There's certainly no apparent advantage placed on Native American women due to the feminist pendulum swing. Even if they make it to a major university and get a degree, they generally still face quite a bit of discrimination. They face rape more than any women of any racial group in America. And this is largely due to the fact that the attackers who the majority of the time are White, will more than likely get away with it. And this of course is irregardless of whether or not the woman is educated. In contrast, the assimilation of the Asian woman is happening all over, including States that house the larger Indian Reservations, and Southern States in general known to be less tolerant to non-White races.
I do think there's some misconceptions as far as Asian males being elevated. One person explained to me that he had a hard time believing that there were any injustices towards them, because they rated as the most successful minority group. Well the problem with that statement for one is that it still places them at 2nd level on the totem pole. Our country is based on the principle that all men are equal. So each individual no matter what race they're in has a right to pursue equality in "every/all" aspects. While we may not aggressively be trying to discourage Asian males, we (in the general sense) want to keep them in the "Model Minority" category. Basically, stay quite, be happy with your educational opportunities, don't fight or protest jokes/stereotypes made towards your race...male or female, etc.
But the thing is, the very thing you stated about putting Asian females in the spotlight to appease minorities and feminists, is exactly what Asian Activists, and socially conscious Asians are protesting. Including a number of Asian females. Do you remember that blog that one poster copied onto his post that was written by an Asian female who was disgruntled about White males she encountered who exhibited tendencies towards fetishism? There's actually quite a number of them written by both Asian males and females. What's interesting is when you read the responses by many of the White males. You can clearly see where the line is drawn on Asian females and feminism. Usually the White male lingo goes something like this: (to the Asian male) "Leave Asian women alone. They have a free and intelligent mind to make their own decisions. Stop trying to 'bind' their feet". However, when the pendulum in their free intelligent mind swings back towards their roots so to speak, by seeing that the grass isn't necessarily greener on the other side, the uglier movie version of Mr. Hyde (not Spencer Tracy but the other one) tends to come out of the White males responding. It's really rather bizarre when you contrast their responses to the typical poems posted on threads like this. So, yes I would say overall that the preference towards an independent free-thinking (feminist) Asian female has it's boundaries as far as many a White male is concerned. | |
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| Why Do I See More Caucasian Men Dating Asian Women?
Posted: 5/31/2007 11:52:12 PM | You live in NY but you weren't born there. I was.
Now! I get the last laugh on this one because I'm a born raised New Yorker. I was born in Long Island and I was raised in Queens . I went to high school in Queens New York and graduated class of 95. I went to college in upstate New York and YES! I have a college degree to my name.
You could not get more New York than me you fake SOB
I know New York is just as vulnerable to racisim as any other city and I can play devil's advocate by saying being in a mult-ethnic town can make you a damn racist because you have the exposure of being surrounded by different ethnic groups, so don't you dare call me a weak soul because I know New York for what it is a real town with real people for good and bad. Seriously most people in New York just learn to tolerate each other, but I know living in that town doesn't make them any more enlighten.
You Highme are a JOKE to me . You're not a real New Yorker. You're a poser.
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| Why Do I See More Caucasian Men Dating Asian Women?
Posted: 6/1/2007 3:30:26 AM |
I work with asian women, i'm the only white person working in a asian community, my assessment of these people .
lazy
racist
bigot
sewer mouths
and money grabbing
Oh WOW. Azezito, Where are you from? I assume that you came from a museum or some where else near by Amazone, and there is no Caucasian nor Asian over there huh?
Look at you, toooo racist!
Wish all your kids don't have the same ideas..
Lame....
P/S: I don't know if I'm the only Asian at my office, since I don't know the border of friendship and love. Where is it? | |
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| Why Do I See More Caucasian Men Dating Asian Women?
Posted: 6/2/2007 5:39:00 AM | Well....after a short marriage with a european woman that was strained due to her feminist ideals and constantly competing with me and putting me down because I didn't go to university like her (I have since)....I opened my mind and heart to any woman from any culture that wasn't poisoned by western feminism. I was told by a friend that Asian women made great partners, friends, mothers and lovers.
5 years later I was introduced to an Asian woman who I thought was cute, gentle...yada yada, and I fell in love with her. But she turned out to be the most controlling, jealous, dishonest person I have ever met in my life. She controlled every aspect of my life; my daily activities, my friends, my hobbies (in other words no hobbies), what to wear and what to say. She also loved telling me when men hit on her, addding that she could "have" them and any man she wanted. She left me for another man 5 days after the cut off point in local law which allowed her to claim my home. She left her previous husband days after she got her citizenship. I lost everything including my home, and have spent years fighting the Family Court to stay in my son's life, while the woman continues to go from man to man taking what she can and defrauding the govenrment of welfare to support her lavish lifestyle and substantial shoe collection, while I have gone backwards by 20 years.
At the end of the day, culture and race really won't determine happiness, but rather personal choices based on getting to know the person. Relationships based more on phyisical or "sexual" compatibilty have no more guarentee for success than any other area of compatibilty. Sexual compatibility might be important (and exciting) while the relationship is young and unaffected by children, work, age etc, but in the end it is committement that will keep a couple together for the long haul, and no race or culture has a monopoly on committment. | |
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| Why Do I See More Caucasian Men Dating Asian Women?
Posted: 6/2/2007 3:36:38 PM |
Well asians are great at making currys........................... Sorry
oh look, another typical response from a British woman
Yeah! Jay a British woman made an observation about Asians so it must be a RACIST statement. And you're observation of the British woman is what SCIENCE or philosophy?
Nope! We don't live as one human race living in one culture and we don't live in a world where people want to live in true unity, so as long as we are divided by all the isms of this world our observations of different cultural groups will never be free from racism.
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| Why Do I See More Caucasian Men Dating Asian Women?
Posted: 6/2/2007 5:54:18 PM |
At the end of the day, culture and race really won't determine happiness, but rather personal choices based on getting to know the person.
This was a good post. This topic could go on and on forever. Here in Thailand, almost every single Western man is here seeking a Thai girlfriend/wife. Many of these men were previously married in their home country and they now say they hate Western women. Then, they come here and a Thai girl gets them to build a house in the girl's name (Westerners can't own land), buy them a car, give money to their family, etc. The girl usually has a Thai man on the side, and then gets rid of the Westerner. Some have the Westerner killed (you can have someone knocked off and buried for a very low price) and some of the Western men kill themselves after having been taken for everything. The ones left still alive then say they hate Asian women and try to go back to dating just Western women or go back to their countries. It's true, most of the women here, hookers or not, will be very pleasing and sweet. But money is the objective and the majority of high class women will not even give a Westerner a second glance as "face", social status and financial status are very important to them and dating a Westerner is slumming it. So Westerners are dating lower-class girls or prostitutes most of the time.
I don't know why "Western" and "feminist" have become dirty words. I am Westernized, I am a feminist. I'm fair, I'm not looking for a free ride, I'm sweet and affectionate to my partner when I have one. Just because I feel that women deserve a good education, deserve to have jobs and equal rights, safety, control of their own lives - this is something dirty? Men, you all have mothers, sisters, daughters - would you not want them to have the same rights that you do? | |
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| Why Do I See More Caucasian Men Dating Asian Women?
Posted: 6/3/2007 10:14:55 AM |
Yeah! Jay a British woman made an observation about Asians so it must be a RACIST statement. And you're observation of the British woman is what SCIENCE or philosophy?
Actually, throughout the entire thread there's been many potshots taken at Asians, both casual like the one you've quoted, and some blatant and anger filled. To add to that, many potshots are taken specifically at Asian males even though they're not mentioned in the thread title.
Nope! We don't live as one human race living in one culture and we don't live in a world where people want to live in true unity, so as long as we are divided by all the isms of this world our observations of different cultural groups will never be free from racism.
Although what you're saying is true, it's context is contradictory. The fact that we are not all one culture (in the Western world) is exactly why each racist oriented action needs to be viewed differently. For instance, in the U.S., one might note the fact that in the media racist jokes are aimed at Whites as well. And because of this, no minority should protest or complain when racist jokes are aimed at them. However, media jokes aimed at Whites are mere appeasements. They're under scrutiny, and are subject to censorship or deletion by the powers that be. If not, it would be 'underground'. Minorities have no real say as far as what is said in the media. It generally takes public action to have something degrading removed, or a public figure be held accountable. Some activist groups wield more power than others, so certain actions are more likely to take place. But overall, it's rare.
So, your factual statement that we are 'not' all one color appears to be an excuse to justify certain racial comments. The fact that some comments are more 'casual' as opposed to 'blatant' doesn't mean they shouldn't be pointed out. Some casual racial comments are said more in a sub-conscious manner because it's their societies norm. But, again, this doesn't mean it shouldn't be pointed out that it contributes to the overall racism that exists aimed at a particular racial group.
That being said, the 2 individuals you're referring to have never said anything ethnically negative in this thread unless they were provoked. | |
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| Why Do I See More Caucasian Men Dating Asian Women?
Posted: 6/3/2007 10:49:22 AM |
Here in Thailand, almost every single Western man is here seeking a Thai girlfriend/wife.
What other kind of girlfriend/wife would thety be looking for in Thailand?
Russian?
Jamaican?
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| Why Do I See More Caucasian Men Dating Asian Women?
Posted: 6/3/2007 4:27:01 PM |
Please for the love of God let this horrible, horrible, HORRIBLE thread die. So many of the comments made are racist and dumb generalizations.
Yes it's inexcusable. Should the thread die? No, but it should stick to the original topic that it was intended in the 1st place. As for being taken for a ride, every race has those who will scam you for everything you have. I've been scamed before and they were white americans so no race is immune. I have a Filipina. I've heard of Filipinas scaming people too but it happens everywhere. My Filipina is a God send and I thank him every day for her. So as I said before, let's stop hurting each other. There's already enough hate going around in the world without adding more to it.
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| Why Do I See More Caucasian Men Dating Asian Women?
Posted: 6/3/2007 4:33:44 PM | senor spode
The only reason why I'm responding to this thread is because you read my post and felt you had to respond to me. Funny when I decided to read this thread I said to myself I will NOT post any threads unless something is directed to me and funny that turned out to be the case. This thread is really BORING!!!!!!!!!!!
Personally I do NOT care if people have been attacking Asians on this thread. I do NOT need to read any comments about white people being "racist" because their views toward other ethnic groups are negative. You would think some people would understand not all white people want to befriend non-White people and just LEAVE THEM ALONE!!!!! The only reason why white people get constantly attacked for their "racist" views because they have the money, power and status. And that's what this white mans burden really boils down to. It has nothing with love, equality or unity for the races. It's all about money, power and status.
AND WHERE THE HELL HAVE YOU BEEN WHEN YOU SAY MINORITIES HAVE NO REAL SAY WHAT HAPPENS IN THE MEDIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAVE YOU READ ABOUT DON IMUS LATELY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We are allowing men like Al Sharpton have too much power in this country and if it keeps up white people have no choice but to revert to racisim, or just allow themselves to go array.
And don't tell me Al Sharpton protested because he had any concern toward women. He did not protest because he had any concern for women of all racial and ethnic groups. He only showed concered for a select few black women and was able to make it a racial issue because the words "nappy headed" were used to decribe the majority of the players that are black, there were only two that were white. And overrall Al Sharpton protested toward Don Imus because he is a man that needed to destroy another man's career.
Whore is a misgynistic word that did not infuriate half the population that should have protested toward Don Imus but did not protest toward him. Women of all racial and ethnic groups are used to being divided and even use misgynistic words toward themselves, so words like "whore" are not going to alarm women to protest against Don Imus.
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| Why Do I See More Caucasian Men Dating Asian Women?
Posted: 6/3/2007 7:19:17 PM |
AND WHERE THE HELL HAVE YOU BEEN WHEN YOU SAY MINORITIES HAVE NO REAL SAY WHAT HAPPENS IN THE MEDIA
HAVE YOU READ ABOUT DON IMUS LATELY
As I stated before, some activist groups wield more power. Theoretically, the "Civil Rights Movement" should of benefited all as far as having a voice, but it's positive results were limited to Black Americans thus creating this imbalance we see today. Yes, it's true, certain Black activist groups 'can' in fact have someone's head when offended. Lisa Lampanelli can get away with it because she tosses insults towards Blacks in a structured calculative format. Richards and Don Imus were careless perhaps figuring they could get away with the same.
On the same night of the Imus debacle, 2 DJs conducted prank phone calls to Asian restaurants on the air. They made offensive sexual connotations to both a man and woman they conversed with. This did not receive any where near the same media attention as Imus. The DJs where suspended, not fired, and probably because of poor timing on their part because djs are notorious for this type of action. There's been many cases where this has occured and nothing was done.
The only reason why white people get constantly attacked for their "racist" views because they have the money, power and status. And that's what this white man's burden really boils down to. It has nothing with love, equality or unity for the races. It's all about money, power and status.
In some ways I agree with this, but maybe not in the same context. Or there's parts I agree with in a different context. Basically, it seems you're thinking along the lines of "if we give them an inch, they'll take a mile". One of the problems with your overall viewpoint is that there's a different scenario/issue with each race. Most Native Americans are living in extremely squalid conditions, and have the barest of minimum of a voice. There 'is no' Native American version of an Al Sharpton.
The problem with coming to any resolutions with Native Americans is the fear of it resulting in reparations and how much would they expect. So the question arises "what would you have us do, pack up and go back to Europe? After all, it wasn't I that invaded your land, I/we weren't even born yet". So consequently, nothing happens. We give them a few lousy casinos and want to call it even. The majority of Asian Americans on the other hand, on average live in fairly good conditions. However, unlike Black Americans, they have no real voice as well. Most people probably don't realize that there are any Asian American activist groups. Generally, they don't demand "do's" so much as they demand "don'ts". In similarity to the Native American demand to do something something simple like remove a sports nickname like the Washington "Redskins", they demand what we take as humor and they take to be degrading removed from our media sources. So when they ask that racial stereotypes be removed that perpetuate the current dating disparity, our knee-jerk response is "are you saying I can't date one of your women? You must be a racist." This reaction always seems to side-step the 'real' issue because the protest is overall 'not' against White men dating Asian women. The White man fears he will be profiled as a fetishist or Asiaphile, while the Asian man has to continue to deal with being profiled by his own race as a controlling chauvinist. So consequently, nothing gets done. The racial stereotypes continue. | |
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| Why Do I See More Caucasian Men Dating Asian Women?
Posted: 6/3/2007 9:47:18 PM |
No, but it should stick to the original topic that it was intended in the 1st place.
I agree with many of your posts, but I have to admit I'm a bit curious because I've seen this stated a couple of times. What exactly (without just re-stating the exact words of the title) is 'on topic'? And/or, what is 'not' on topic? | |
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| Why Do I See More Caucasian Men Dating Asian Women?
Posted: 6/3/2007 11:27:59 PM |
Basically, it seems you're thinking along the lines of "if we give them an inch, they'll take a mile".
I'm just pro Western European and I don't appologize for it. To me the white boy would be the popular kid in high school that attracts all the envy and jealousy for being popular. Nothing more or less really.
Most Native Americans are living in extremely squalid conditions, and have the barest of minimum of a voice. There 'is no' Native American version of an Al Sharpton.
I would agree the Native American voice is shamefully weak in the media and I personally would like to strenghten the Native American voice in the American media because I think the Native American voice should be not only part of the American culture, but I feel strengthing the Native American voice would distinguish our "New World" culture.
The majority of Asian Americans on the other hand, on average live in fairly good conditions. However, unlike Black Americans, they have no real voice as well. Most people probably don't realize that there are any Asian American activist groups. Generally, they don't demand "do's" so much as they demand "don'ts".
Maybe it's best not to go there but Asians don't have to make a lists of demands because they know how to get status without it. My general feeling about Asians that they are exclusionary by nature or they have developed a culture that is that way.
To me it's funny that Asians would have a Euro inferority complex when it comes to looks because they live among themselves who can tell them that Asians eyes are not pretty? When Malcom X preached to the crowd telling them "Who taught you you were ugly" "the white man taught you you were ugly" he lived within the white man culture, so he had a good agruement, but what's the Asian's man excuse? That he shares a planet with the white man? Oh My! What must we do?
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| Why Do I See More Caucasian Men Dating Asian Women?
Posted: 6/4/2007 1:40:47 AM |
Maybe it's best not to go there but Asians don't have to make a lists of demands because they know how to get status without it. My general feeling about Asians that they are exclusionary by nature or they have developed a culture that is that way.
I don't think so. Not anymore than anyone else. Unless they're in an isolated ethnic neighborhood, I've perceived that they've had every intention of assimilating. My Russian ancestors who immigrated as adults didn't assimilate themselves. They lived in a transplanted culturally Russian lifestyle among other Russian Americans. Assimilation is not easy for anyone when immigrating as an adult. The children automatically assimilated with no problem. Whether an immigrant is from a White non- English speaking European country, or a non-White country, it's common for the first generation immigrant to remain 'exclusionary'. It's far easier to live and mingle within one's own ethnic community. However, the children of the White immigrants will find it far easier to assimilate than a non-White child. The ethnic status will eventually vanish along the White following generation. The ethnic status remains with the non-White generations no matter how hard they try to assimilate. They're exceptions of course, but overall this is the tendency.
To me it's funny that Asians would have a Euro inferiority complex when it comes to looks because they live among themselves who can tell that Asians eyes are not pretty? When Malcom X preached to the crowd telling them "Who taught you you were ugly" "the white man taught you you were ugly" he lived within the white man culture, so he had a good agruement, but what's the Asian's man excuse? That he shares a planet with the white man?
I think you may be confused here. For one, Asian Americans/Canadiens/Europeans do live within the white man culture. Also, the idea that Asians have a Euro inferiority complex is a notion developed by over-hyped stories of skin-whitening creams in Malaysia, and plastic surgeries in China.
There's a false notion that an Asian male who protests ethnic stereotypes, and is concerned about the dating/marriage disparity has a Euro inferiority complex. There's an equally false notion that an Asian male who gets dates very easily with a woman from any color, will somehow be way above having any concern with these issues. In essence, he becomes the MODEL MINORITY. And some will try to use this assumed model minority person as an example of one who rose above stereotypes in an attempt to justify our societies racism. Many Asian males who are already married, and theoretically wouldn't have a need for concerns about emasculation in the media and it's contribution to the dating disparity, do in fact recognize the harm it does overall to their race. There's also future generations to be concerned about. It's an ethnic empowerment issue, not some sort of personal insecurity issue.
The fact is, our society wants to desperately hang on to these stereotypes. They're a comedic commodity. Something Hollywood can always fall back on when they want a comedy effect. | |
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| Why Do I See More Caucasian Men Dating Asian Women?
Posted: 6/4/2007 4:27:45 AM |
Here in Thailand, almost every single Western man is here seeking a Thai girlfriend/wife.
What other kind of girlfriend/wife would thety be looking for in Thailand?
Russian?
Jamaican?
Michael
Sorry let me re-phrase. They come here specifically for the prostitutes or to seek an Asian wife/girlfriend. Not for work, sometimes for holiday... | |
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| Why Do I See More Caucasian Men Dating Asian Women?
Posted: 6/4/2007 2:17:50 PM |
I would agree the Native American voice is shamefully weak in the media and I personally would like to strenghten the Native American voice in the American media because I think the Native American voice should be not only part of the American culture, but I feel strengthing the Native American voice would distinguish our "New World" culture.
I agree. One of the articles I read on the topic mentioned that when Native peoples are mentioned in the media, they get stereotyped into the "spiritual, on a reservation, medicine man, Tonto" bracket.
Which is a shame.
But on the other hand, when "ethnic" people are not portrayed to stereotype (or rather, when their background does not define their character), they're accused of being white-washed. I often wonder just how Natives, or anyone else, are supposed to be portrayed if we can't play to stereotype, but we also can't play AGAINST stereotype.
Reminds me of when criticism of the fashion modelling industry, specifically that all African-American models had "caucasian" features, led a particular agency to hire a very striking African model, who in no way looked even remotely white. The criticism *then* shifted to "she's a bad representation of African-Americans, now they're portraying us as as savages."
It's lose-lose, really - and it tells me that the situation is never going to go away, because you can't please everybody. | |
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| Why Do I See More Caucasian Men Dating Asian Women?
Posted: 6/4/2007 2:34:47 PM | because lot of white guys these days got no balls or pride, thats what i noticed when i visit bars or clubs .
thats why you have others steal white women . When i go out all i see is non-white guys trying hard while white guys stand around with their beer and just look at the ceiling like a bunch of fags.
Anyways media plays a big role in this too and all that garbage. I feel sorry for asian guys hehe thats why there are so many of them who are gay. I wouldn't date their women and i had few chances because i prefer white girls. I am not racist just telling how it is.  | |
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| Why Do I See More Caucasian Men Dating Asian Women?
Posted: 6/4/2007 3:22:52 PM |
Reminds me of when criticism of the fashion modelling industry, specifically that all African-American models had "caucasian" features, led a particular agency to hire a very striking African model, who in no way looked even remotely white. The criticism *then* shifted to "she's a bad representation of African-Americans, now they're portraying us as savages."
It's lose-lose, really - and it tells me that the situation is never going to go away, because you can't please everybody.
You make valid points here. But I think there's some "obviouses" that shouldn't be overlooked just because we can't please everyone, and there will be inevitable criticism. And the situation with the African model, I think goes to show that the Black American does have a voice that is listened to, at least more so than other minority groups. And yes, there will be counter criticism. However, *now*, we actually do have more female models with more African features. There's a particular African ethnicity who's females are rather popular to use as fashion models. Granted, they're somewhat light-skinned like Ethiopians, but distinct none the less. David Bowie's wife is one of them I believe. As far as the criticism aimed at the African model being savage, unless she was dressed in tribal garb, it sounded like more of an insult to 'her' by the way you described it. | |
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