| favorite wwe superstar and why
Posted: 7/7/2008 1:28:55 PM | | Edge is awesome as a heel, the promo on Ross last Monday night was incredible, and this past Friday on Smackdown was tremendous also....He might be my favorite right now. | |
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| favorite wwe superstar and why
Posted: 7/7/2008 2:22:21 PM | | edge is an assclown but he defently has that "fire" and he'd do good on his own if he didnt have to have an "woman" help him he is to good for that kind of stuff anyone remember when him N christian was the "brood"?....when they was in the ministery of darkness?...Thats when wrestling was really intresting. | |
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| favorite wwe superstar and why
Posted: 7/7/2008 3:04:35 PM | | Paul Heyman wrote a very good article about edge last week. He called Edge the greatest heel in the industry today and talked about how much heat he had on monday night. I didn't realize how good he truly was until last Monday. | |
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| favorite wwe superstar and why
Posted: 7/7/2008 3:19:54 PM | Hogan is a good performer. We're referring to good WRESTLERS which Hogan isn't. For 20 years of my life I watched
Hogan rip off shirt
Punches bad guy
Bad guy gets upperhand
Hogan Hulks up
Big Boot
Leg Drop
and people say Flair wrestled the same match.
Goldberg- You couldn't even sell a PPV based on his match alone b/c I can only think of one of his PPV matches that lived up to the hype and that was against the Rock and guess who carried that one. Also, like hell Goldberg did what he supposed to do. If he would have sold more and learn a few more wrestling moves he would have been more entertaining. That's why his character had a short shelf life.
Seeing as it's all choregraphed and they're just working the crowd mainly, actual wrestling doesn't play into it as you need some type of gimmick to get the crowd into you.
Goldberg was over like crazy in WCW and after a rocky start in WWE, he got over with them as well.
Bland technical wrestler with 2834728 moves isn't going to get people into the seats, which is what any good promoter wants at the end of the day. | |
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| favorite wwe superstar and why
Posted: 7/7/2008 5:10:39 PM | Bland technical wrestler with 2834728 moves isn't going to get people into the seats, which is what any good promoter wants at the end of the day.
It's sad, but it's true. I think we have lost the true tradition of the sport and lost the true beauty of the sport when all you need to survive in wrestling is a boatload of Charisma and 2 moves. After all, that is all Hogan had was 2 moves, but his charisma is unmatched. And that is why he succeeded.
There were a number of excellent wrestlers who have been lost in the mix to other 6- move wrestlers like The Crock, "Clue Cold" Steve Austin, and Gimpberg. People like Dean Malenko, Chris Benoit, and Perry Saturn. All of them excellent wrestlers who should've been in great things unfortunately they lacked the Charisma that the VinceMonster wanted, and they didn't have the size either. It truly is sickening.
And that is where the difference has to be. Yeah, it is the charisma, the performance side of it that Hogan, Crock, Austin, and Gimpberg had. Very few have been able to put it all together, but because of other factors, they are not given their credit. People like Flair, Jericho, and Orton.
If you want to see a performance of charisma, go see the WWE.
If you want to see decent wrestlers who may not have the charisma but are great athletes, go to any independent show or TNA.
And yes, Edge is the best heel in the WWE today, hands down.
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Posted: 7/7/2008 5:25:30 PM |
It's sad, but it's true. I think we have lost the true tradition of the sport and lost the true beauty of the sport when all you need to survive in wrestling is a boatload of Charisma and 2 moves. After all, that is all Hogan had was 2 moves, but his charisma is unmatched. And that is why he succeeded.
I don't think it's all that sad, but to each his own. Personally I'd rather have charisma and 2 moves than be just a guy who can do flips or just technical stuff and not be remembered by the crowd.
Especially in WWE, where having charisma is essential to getting new fans and making money. Also, they do have great matches every now and then as well, but I'm sure not everyone would agree on that.
A place like Ring of Honor (which I was a fan of until 07 as I've been bored with it frankly) would be better suited for someone who isn't too hot on the mic and just wants to work 30-60 minute matches every night or so. | |
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| favorite wwe superstar and why
Posted: 7/8/2008 6:10:38 AM | | Did I really see Cena write "JBL is a POOPY" on his car lastnight? Cena reached an all time low. He should choke whomever wrote that segment. | |
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| favorite wwe superstar and why
Posted: 7/8/2008 7:32:56 PM | Back in the day when I used to watch it, the Ultimate Warrior all the way. The guy was just batshìt insane and cool to watch. A good guy that was more crazy than charismatic.
It's too bad the guy's lunatic in real life, too. | |
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Posted: 7/9/2008 5:38:14 AM | | That was written for him by Brian Gewirtz. All of Cena's promo's are scripted 100% by Gewirtz.....that was horrible......... | |
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| favorite wwe superstar and why
Posted: 7/9/2008 5:53:05 AM | | Favorites have to be Stonecold,Goldberg,Kevin Nash&Razor Ramon when they started the NWO in its heyday,The original 4 Horesman .Guys that basically scripted or not came into the ring, created havoc, kicked ass,and left! Technical wrestlers is when I changed the channel! | |
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| favorite wwe superstar and why
Posted: 7/9/2008 12:18:00 PM | Favourite back in the day was Stone Cold, I used to love wrestling when I was at school, so did everyone else for that matter, but Stone Cold was just so good to watch
He wasnt the best wrestler, didnt have a wide range of moves but was still the most entertaining, not to mention his storylines
Now, and I don't watch it properly, but still catch it on Sky One (the round up) every now and then, it would probably be Batista, the guy is a machine, hasnt been given the story lines he deserves | |
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Posted: 7/9/2008 12:35:24 PM | | Find it hard to believe anyone over the age of fifteen (especially male) can put a serious post on this thread, but there you go. | |
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Posted: 7/9/2008 1:13:29 PM | | Find it hard to believe a grown man can take the time out of his life to make a post this stupid but there you go. | |
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Posted: 7/9/2008 1:39:45 PM | ^Apparently someone seems to take things literally. Also, lots of people over 15 watch it, from Donald Trump to Regis Philbin, it's something for people of all ages. I must've missed the memo where it said that it stops at a certain age.
And yet I'm willing to bet you'll probably go and watch a "Reality" show or shell out some money on a movie such as Incredible Hulk or Batman with loads of fake characters, if that's your point of argument.
The main thing is it's entertainment, now you may not like it, and that's fine, but it doesn't make you better than anyone else for not watching it.
I personally can't stand shows like Sex and the City, it doesn't mean I'm going to go and waste my energy going into topics/threads talking about it. | |
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Posted: 7/10/2008 5:48:25 AM | Heather I HAVE to ask. What do you think about Cena spray painting "JBL is a poopy " on JBL's window. I know Cena is your boy but i think i've CENA nuff ...lol
P.S. I'm just having fun with you. | |
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Posted: 7/10/2008 8:21:24 AM | Bland technical wrestler with 2834728 moves isn't going to get people into the seats, which is what any good promoter wants at the end of the day.
But those same bland technical wrestlers are the ones who give the people who order pay per views their money's worth and the company gets money two main ways, PPVs and house show.
Do you honestly think people don't feel cheated when they get a 5 minute Goldberg main event?
Bland technical wrestlers are the heart and soul of ANY wrestling promotion. | |
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Posted: 7/10/2008 1:54:10 PM | ^I disagree there considering that WWE wouldn't dare put on a 60 minute match with Shelton Benjamin and Charlie Haas because the crowd would be bored to tears halfway through it as both are void of any sort of charisma.
I'm sure some feel cheated as you can never have 100% agreement in anything,but the fans were going nuts when he hit the spear/jackhammer, so they drowned out those who were dissapointed.
Bland technical wrestlers are not he heart and soul of any wrestling promotion, especially WWE because WWE knows that those fans will come back to watch the top guys such as Cena, HHH, Batista, etc.
It's good to have one or two, but I'm sure Vince would much rather have someone who could work the mic, because in WWE charisma supercedes workrate every time.
I've been to several live shows here in NYC/NJ and the guys who get the loudest reactions are Cena, Batista, HHH, but if you were to read online the reports, those guys are allegedly the worst ever because their "workrate" isn't up to par for the internet fans liking.
Look at those who've made the most money in wrestling, Hogan, Austin, Rock, etc. Those weren't workrate fiends or technical wizards, nor did they have to be. What they did was more than sufficent to get themselves over with the crowd.
I know the internet fans/smarks hate them with a passion, but as they're a minority, there's no need for Vince to cater to them. | |
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| favorite wwe superstar and why
Posted: 7/10/2008 9:11:47 PM | | I would have to say jeff hardy is my favorite because the dude is just crazy and will do any stunt to entertain the fans. | |
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Posted: 7/10/2008 9:35:31 PM |
I disagree there considering that WWE wouldn't dare put on a 60 minute match with Shelton Benjamin and Charlie Haas because the crowd would be bored to tears halfway through it as both are void of any sort of charisma.
Ofcourse they wouldn't put on a 60 minute match but a 10 min match between the two would really get a crowd going at a ppv.
Bland technical wrestlers are not he heart and soul of any wrestling promotion, especially WWE because WWE knows that those fans will come back to watch the top guys such as Cena, HHH, Batista, etc.
I truly doubt people would order a ppv just to see a Cena/HHH main event no matter how popular they are.
It's good to have one or two, but I'm sure Vince would much rather have someone who could work the mic, because in WWE charisma supercedes workrate every time.
Very true and that's why ratings are like they are now. With the popularity of the UFC people know what a real fight looks like and they want better work rate. | |
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Posted: 7/11/2008 9:35:45 AM | ^Apparently you've not been to any live WWE shows as of late. I was at the Royal Rumble and the place exploded when Cena and Triple-H made their appearances on the show. Not everyone is a workrate fan, especially the majority of WWE fans. If you're that interested in it, you'd be better off watching ROH.
And I don't think WWE has to worry about UFC all that much as they still do good business, sure it's not like how it was in 98-99, but people still pay for the live event shows (I hear tickets for the MSG 8/23 show are going fast) and the PPV's, so as much as I'm sure hardcore pure wrestling fans would probably love to see Vince go out of business, but that's not likely to ever happen.
Hell I ordered WM22 to see Cena vs. Triple-H as the rest of the card wasn't that interesting to me and I should think the majority of WWE fans are that way as well. They couldn't give two craps about Charlie Haas as the guy is void of charisma and you're not going to put people in seats on sheer ability in the ring alone. | |
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| favorite wwe superstar and why
Posted: 7/11/2008 10:58:45 AM | In the WWE?? Easily Edge. He plays a great heel. I laugh so hard when the crowd falls into his trap.
As for wrestling, I love watching Kurt Angle beat up AJ Styles every week, on TNA. | |
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Posted: 7/11/2008 2:17:01 PM |
Apparently you've not been to any live WWE shows as of late.
Actually I was ringside at Night of Champions and i'm STILL pissed there was no Taker.
Hell I ordered WM22 to see Cena vs. Triple-H as the rest of the card wasn't that interesting to me and I should think the majority of WWE fans are that way as well.
Don't know if you noticed but with the exception of the last couple of weeks Raw has been doing record low numbers in the ratings. The live crowds aren't the problem, the problem is ratings and low buy rates for ppv. Also UFC is breaking buy rate records now. WWE has lost a ton of fan base and if I were a betting man i would say it would have something to do with the lack of quality wrestling. Do you think the majority of the fans are like that b/c you are like that? | |
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Posted: 7/11/2008 5:01:29 PM |
Do you think the majority of the fans are like that b/c you are like that?
I was actually wondering the same thing about you to be honest and to answer your question yes, because as it relates to WWE, I'm not that hard to please, I see my favorites, I cheer them on, or boo those who I don't like and that's it. I don't get all upset because the show wasn't full of matches with little or no interviews which I'm sure would be the wet dream of internet fans worldwide.
The ratings are down from what they were 8-9 years ago but still WWE is making loads of money right now and just got through with a successful tour in Peru and Chile last week. They're not in danger of getting put out of business like they were in 1996 when WCW was kicking their butts each week and doing shows in Armories and Community Centers. Wrestlemania did the largest buyrate in WWE history this past year.
The casual fan doesn't need much to be happy, they go to the shows they cheer their favorite wrestlers, they boo the guys they hate and they go home happy. From what I've read on certain people on the net, they want more wrestling on WWE programming as if that will suddenly propel the ratings to a 9.0 (which they did get in a non-wrestling segment ironically enough back in 1999 with the Rock/Sock Connection).
WWE does not need to push wrestling as their top priority to make money. For those who are thirsting for it, you're better off watching ROH or TNA, because that's where you'll likely see it. | |
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