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Posted: 7/11/2008 9:24:25 PM |
From what I've read on certain people on the net, they want more wrestling on WWE programming as if that will suddenly propel the ratings to a 9.0 (which they did get in a non-wrestling segment ironically enough back in 1999 with the Rock/Sock Connection).
hell those are two of the best talkers in the history of wrestling but that was back in '99 but things change and people change over time. Back in 98 segments like that worked but now it's almost 10 yrs later and their formula isn't working like it used to. Backstage segments and good talkers aren't getting it done in the ratings anymore. Wrestling usually follows pop culture and right now UFC is a big part of that and WWE isn't capitalizing on it. | |
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Posted: 7/12/2008 7:05:32 AM | Wrestlemania did the largest buyrate in WWE history this past year.
Where did you get that information? I heard that the numbers were below what they were expecting with the guest appearance of Floyd Mayweather. Who's your source on that one. With that being said the card was strong so if what you said was true it wouldn't suprise me. Mania and the Rumble are only two ppvs where Vince makes sure the card is solid from top to bottom with quality matches. Those two ppvs are all about putting on great matches and those are the only two I order. Not saying i'm the majority but I'm sure there are a lot of people like me. | |
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Posted: 7/12/2008 8:02:37 AM | I believe it was PWInsider.com is where I got that info from.
And the WWE fans are mostly those who don't care about workrate or who could do more snapmares and suplexes, they just want to be entertained. So while segments like Cena and Cryme Tyme spraypainting JBL's car would offend a hardcore wrestling fan, the casual fans were eating it up and loving every bit of it.
Talk segments and being a good interviewer will always supercede being a good technical wrestler, even more so in WWE. The crowd for the most part wants to be entertained, to laugh to boo and to have a good time.
Look at a guy like Charlie Haas, I'm sure he's decent in the ring, but the guy is void of charisma and the fans couldn't give two craps if he's a technical wrestler or not. I'm sure if he were in ROH or TNA, he'd be over huge with the crowd.
When WWE starts pulling in TNA-esque ratings where they're barely getting mid 1's, then maybe he'll start to worry but as for right now, it works for him. | |
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Posted: 7/12/2008 7:55:12 PM |
So while segments like Cena and Cryme Tyme spraypainting JBL's car would offend a hardcore wrestling fan, the casual fans were eating it up and loving every bit of it.
Are you talking about hte 5-12 demographic on that one.
When WWE starts pulling in TNA-esque ratings where they're barely getting mid 1's, then maybe he'll start to worry but as for right now, it works for him.
Isn't TNA virtually brand new. Lay off of them. | |
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Posted: 7/13/2008 6:41:03 AM | I'm sure there were quite more than just the 5-12 demographic enjoying that particular segment. I know it wasn't cool enough for the guys (especially those who've hated Cena since his debut on Raw in 05), but that 5-12 demographic have parents who have money who buy those PPV's and T-shirts, and other merchandising from WWE and that's what WWE wants.
I wasn't ragging on TNA, I was just using their numbers as an example, nothing more.
The point is, WWE does not need to just go to wrestling only because mic skills will always be a top priority in that department. While the smart internet fans would be in heaven, the majority of fans (which WWE caters to) would be bored to tears.
If the actual in-ring wrestling was that big of a draw now, promotions like ROH (which emphasize it) would be doing WWE -esque attendance figures at some big venues like MSG or the Nassau Coliseum instead of in some high school gym. | |
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Posted: 7/13/2008 5:36:17 PM |
If the actual in-ring wrestling was that big of a draw now, promotions like ROH (which emphasize it) would be doing WWE -esque attendance figures at some big venues like MSG or the Nassau Coliseum instead of in some high school gym.
Here's the deal. ROH doesn't even attempt to draw WWEs numbers. They have their own niche.
As for WWE. It seems with ratings down their goal should be to draw MORE people to their product and they're not doing it and your biggest star writing "JBL is a Poopy" on a car is not going to draw a larger audience. Most people I know who used to watch and don't watch anymore say there are too many backstage segments and just too much talking in general. Not saying the show should be ALL wrestling but their needs to be a better balance. I have no problem with Cena's wrestling. His past few matches have been enjoyable but from a character stand point, I think his whole gimmick sucks. He's just that one kid in school who trys to be cool but is no where near being cool. | |
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Posted: 7/13/2008 6:46:07 PM | I'm not saying ROH was attempting to, the point I was making was that if technical in-ring wrestling was really that sought after, that ROH would be drawing huge crowds. I'm well aware of what they're doing, I've been to several shows over the past few years.
With regards to WWE, granted they've fallen from what they used to do, but the thing is there is no Rock/Austin character to have people going ga-ga like they were in 99-00. Cena's the only guy they have and they're going to use him till someone new comes along.
To be honest, I don't think they could ever garner such a rating like they did in 99, no matter who comes in. But still they're doing good business, the Wrestlemania 24 DVD is selling pretty well from what I understand, so while it's not the glory days of 99 when they could have a Raw taping at the SkyDome, they're still making a profit. | |
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Posted: 7/13/2008 7:22:39 PM | Well back to the subject at hand I have quite a few favs.
Raw ~ I'd have to say Batista and Kane. Both for there power and no nonsense b.s. Kane has been a favorite of mine even with the "crazy and evil" character. Which I think he is going back to. I also think the thing he did with Michael Cole "is he dead or alive?' at the end of last week's show, is either the crazy thing coming back or even the Dead Man, a la the Undertaker is coming back to "control" Kane.
ECW ~ Matt Hardy I like the combination of technical and high flyer (but nothing like his bro Jeff on the high flyer). I think ECW is the weakest link in the WWE. For one thing its only a hour long after the commercials we'll say 40 minutes. So its just like a "taste"
Smackdown ~ TIME TO PLAY THE GAME !!!!!!! Triple H. He is the man. He's bigger and better than ever. He is this generation's Ric Flair. He is dominant and good. Technical, powerful, mind games, etc. The total package. I just love the smirk when he's "up to something" lol. It is awesome.
My favorite Diva I have to include just because I cannot mention WWE w/o them. And that is Michelle McCool. She was a science teacher, could anyone imagine that class. I'd want her for sex ed though   .
But as you can see I love wrestling. | |
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Posted: 7/16/2008 7:54:32 AM | I just started watching the new Flair DVD and brought back memories why I loved wrestling. With the Flair promos, the good angles, the believable Ole Anderson interviews, etc, today just cannot compare in many ways. I am more interested in watching old stuff that today's wrestling half the time.
I liked Raw overall this week, except the nonsense angle at the end with JBL and Cena. | |
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Posted: 7/18/2008 4:10:39 PM |
Find it hard to believe anyone over the age of fifteen (especially male) can put a serious post on this thread, but there you go.
Well, I posted on this one, and it was a serious post as well.
Wrestling, at least in the period I was watching it, was a pretty entertaining show. I can actually say I've been to a few matches, too. I went to one in the good old days, in Quebec City, where I got to see wrestlers like Andre the Giant, Killer Kawolski, and the Vachon brothers.
I even saw one match in the recent era, where I had the chance to get free tickets, where I saw The Rock, Stone Cold, and all the other headliners.
I was never a "die hard " wrestling fan, but I did watch it for perhaps a year and a half during the end of the Mick Foley/ funny Kurt Angle era on an irregular basis.
For you doubters out there, I'd strongly suggest reading Mick Foley's book "Have a Nice Day: A Tale of Blood and Sweatsocks" which is a really informative and entertaining read even if you AREN'T a wrestling fan.
Foley is one of those people that's hard not to like, and he's quite a good writer too.
Now I wouldn't spend a penny on a WWE show, nor waste a moment of my life watching it. It's become something quite boring and predictable.
But then ?
If you were sitting there watching some of the very impressive feats of physical skill that were exhibited by the best, you realized these people were indeed highly skilled professionals - and some great actors.
Seeing someone like the Rock close up, you could just see the charisma that flowed off of him into the crowd.
In their prime, at their best, they were equally as valid a source of entertainment as something like a rock show. Watching the crowd , especially the youngsters, was always a treat too. 
As for physical abilities and skill, I'd suggest someone with any doubt of what's required to be the best check out a couple of Mick Foley clips on YouTube.
The first one I'd suggest is his plunge of the TOP of a metal cage onto a regular table - no special effects involved here.
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Undertaker Biography on Mick Foley
One climbs to the top of a metal cage, and then (planned of course) gets thrown off of it to land on a regular table twenty five feet below on a concrete floor. The skill involved there for both parties, (not to mention the bravado) ?
Pretty impressive, when one considers trying it themselves. 
He's also fallen through such a cage BY ACCIDENT, a few times. One time that resulted in him landing on hundreds of thumbtacks he'd scattered earlier in the match - turning him into a pin cushion of sorts.
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Mick Foley Tribute
These athletes (and the best really are) really get a raw deal when it comes to an appreciation of their conditioning and skills. I've watched them close up, and the best have impressed me. Especially so when one considers the "acting" skills that they must also employ to put on a good show.
A wrestler like Foley is a good example of the best that wrestling offers. He's bright, hysterically funny, and tough as nails.
Mick Foley's Injuries - Six concussions from 1986 to 1998 - One broken jaw in 1986 - Two broken noses in 1993 - One broken cheekbone in 1998 - Lost four front teeth from 1989 to 1998 - Two-thirds of his ear ripped off in 1993 (Against Vader in Germany) - A separated shoulder in 1990 - A fractured left shoulder in 1989 - A dislocated shoulder in 1998 - Second degree burn on his shoulder in 1995 (In the King of the Death Match in Japan) - Second degree burns on his arm in 1995 (In the King of the Death Match in Japan) - 54 stitches on his left arm in 1995 (In the King of the Death Match in Japan) - A broken right wrist in 1989 - Bone chips in his right elbow in 1996 - Six broken ribs from 1991 to 1998 - A torn abdominal in 1992 - A torn ACL - A broken toe in 1991 - A total of over 300 stitches in his arms, head, eyebrows, hands, ears, shin, cheek and lip - Thousands of thumb tack holes - Broken left thumb during a little league baseball game in 1978! 
These are not "fake injuries" , they really occurred. You can see the mark they've left on the man, and he would have had a lot more had he (and the people he was performing with) been just a bunch of dumb yahoos.
People have actually DIED during a match, like Owen Hart did when he fell to his death when equipment malfunctioned.
So I think one should take that into account before simply dismissing the entire thing as dumb redneck entertainment.
Again, there's little to be found there today, which is why I no longer bother with it. | |
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Posted: 7/21/2008 9:15:15 PM | | "Guy"....Yeah mick foley is one tough S.O.B he was crazy as hell they should have him, around more often lol. | |
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Posted: 7/22/2008 2:29:26 AM | Yes Mick is one tough MOFO. He's been through it and back. Also a very good person and writer. Speaking of good people. Most of them are, I know this because of the specials that WWE has with the troops. The fact of them being very "tore up" when a fellow wrestler retires or passes on. I mean when I say I "hate" a wrestler I always say I "hate their character" not the actual person.
Yes some stuff could be considered "fake" because it is planned. But would most of the people who call it "fake" be brave enough to jump off of a 25 foot high cage onto a concrete floor or have someone throw you into steel steps. Yes some of the hits are obvious fake. Like when a "non-wrestler" gets out there. Like when Undertaker (man I miss him) did a tombstone pile driver on Vicki, he had her head between his knees and she wasn't a bit harmed. But it "looked" like it.
But its a great show and entertainment. I love it, wrestling is my guilty pleasure per say. | |
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Posted: 8/30/2008 6:50:53 PM | | Wow, Mick Foley is tough as hell, seen some of the death matches he has in Japan, pretty F'N insane, don't know how this man is still alive, especailly after the hell in a cell match he had with the Undertaker back in 1997. | |
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Posted: 8/31/2008 11:12:29 PM | | for me, they deffinately need to bring back the crusierweights, and i mean real cruiserweights, with the highflying and insane manouvers, WCW actually usedto have very good mexican cruiserweights, who to me, put on the best matches. The tag team action has also gone far dwonhill since the days of the dudleys, and christian and edge, and the hardy byos having all those memorable matches. WWE is run too much like a soap opera now, and not liek wrestling, and commercials, well dont even get me started on commercials. It seems like theres a stupid commercial break every 5 minutes. I hope that TNA can start pulling venues like the WWE and also the ratings too, just to get WWE to get their head out of the clouds and start getting creative again. I think WCW going down may be the worst thing to ever happen to the WWE actually, becasue it was that era that was the most innovative and entertaining. | |
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Posted: 9/1/2008 7:16:05 AM | Steve Austin,The Rock,Sid Vicious,British Bulldog(RIP),Rick Rude(RIP),Macho Man,Bret Hart,Mankind,Undertaker,Shawn HBK,Triple H, and Ted DiBiase all great superstars during thier prime..
also Jim Ross for being best commentator of all time. | |
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Posted: 9/2/2008 3:53:57 PM | | YES I AGREE!!! the WWE should have cruiser weight action again. I always loves watching those guys in the ring, they did some pretty intense and extreme maneuvers in the ring. Watching guys like Ultimo Dragon, Juventud Guerrera, Dean Malenko Psychosis, Super Crazy and Kidman, just to name a few | |
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Posted: 9/2/2008 5:04:12 PM | Present Day: Santino Marella-He normally has the most entertaining segments on RAW and, if you have seen some of ROH work, is quite an adamant worker. I just wish that, someday, WWE allows him to display his real skills.
"Monday Night Wars" Era: Ultimo Dragon-He was an uber-talented cruiserweight who shone over all of the others, including Rey Mysterio IMO.
80's/Early 90's: Probably a toss-up between The Great Muta and Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat-Need I expand upon that one? | |
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Posted: 9/7/2008 3:28:54 PM | DONG!!!!
THE UNDERTAKER...
I mean just look at the facts, now 16 and 0 at wrestlemania, and pull of two characters that are total contrast to eachother (the american bad ass and 'old school taker')
think he is getting on a bit now, but he still is there in most of the big fight...
I just love it when he reaches that point where he's like ok im cheesed off now, favoured quote from the show about him, was when he faced the boss, Vince...
'well we know not to cross the boss, but tonight we learn that no-one should cross the undertaker' | |
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Posted: 9/8/2008 11:44:55 AM | | Ric Flair is/was the only reason I have ever watched wrestling at all. That being said I also like Stone Cold and the Undertaker. The ones I can't stand are Hulk Hogan and The Rock. But I admittedly don't watch wrestling very much--basically not at all. | |
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Posted: 9/8/2008 9:28:57 PM | Guess there is no right or wrong answers to this thread. Wide variety of favs. I just cant name one fav. The one thing I do know is that Vince needs to blow up the entire creative team and get someone like me to shake things up! Lots of poor choices as of late. Ratings are at an all time low. Its time for major change! Oh and get rid of ECW, what a waste. LOL. Bring some of the superstars and divide them between RAW n SD.  | |
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Posted: 9/24/2008 10:32:43 PM | ATF's...??
Ultimate Warrior...
LOD...
Chyna... [I'd have Married her in a Minute, in '99]...
Victoria... [MMmmMMmmmmm..!!]
Stacy Keibler .. [I had to get a new TV, after she lost to Jerry F'n Rice on *DWTS*
*BAM!!!*
Who knows what she's Up To, these days..??]
I do a Great *Randy Savage*..!! | |
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