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 Brienz

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Posted: 10/25/2009 10:55:18 PM
Simple answer to this:

the decent guys are taken, gay, and single! The single guys are still decent guys when they were taken :) When you date and it don't work out what do you do? You learn why it didn't work and you find the next, learn some more then the next until you find the one. If you give up you refuse to learn.
 haildestroyer

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Posted: 10/26/2009 12:58:04 AM
ohh generalizations. *rolls eyes*
 ~Pedro Sanchez~

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Posted: 10/26/2009 1:13:48 AM
Yeah I second the *rolling eyes* . Generalisation...pfft. The fact is all the decent single guys are here. Among scumbag women. Kidding. Just trying that generalising game...I like it.

I take issue with the word "Taken" like we are some pawpaw off a tree. Yeah, I can see some dudes being taken by some pu$$y posse, against their will. Ahh, the smell of female....
 matt9629

Joined: 10/23/2009
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Posted: 10/26/2009 5:43:24 AM
Coolchick,

Are you fooking for real? If so, enjoy a nice long and SINGLE life. The David Beckham's of the world have many many options when it comes to partners... Hope you like competing with other women with better looks and more money than you.

I'm not saying that to be mean... I'm just telling you the truth.

David Beckham merely "decent"?

Pffftt.... You're undateable with the frame of mind you're in.
 matt9629

Joined: 10/23/2009
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Posted: 10/26/2009 5:54:30 AM
No your just far to shallow to see the good men.
David Beckman decent*keels over laughing* the good men are the quite ones the ones who didn't get noticed in school or in adult life. xD GL finding a David Beckman and keeping him suger!


PS: I figure you weren't told this enough yet the good ones usually arent near the look standards of David.
 wild heart

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Posted: 10/26/2009 5:54:30 AM
^^^all the men who go on and on and whine about women who pass all the decent guys by are also undateable from my POV. Negativity is like poison.

Some people need to get a dose of reality and see what real troubles are instead of this constant "woe is me" attitude. Frankly, it's too much drama.
 Ahoytheredave

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Posted: 10/26/2009 6:22:57 AM
It would depend on what you call Decent. Chances are, the ones you want to have are invisible to you and the men you are attracted to are pretty much the opposite of decent. I would speculate you have a selfish outlook as demonstrated by the "taken" part of your question. You want what someone else has. The truely decent guys are not selfish but giving and faithful. Probably not something you have experience with as you are more used to taking and being taken. Do some volunteer time and get practice at giving of yourself. It will open your eyes to the invisible decent guys.

Just read the posts on this thread. The decent guys have put up with getting dumped for bad boys. I tend to see women who have a history with bad boys not so much as damaged goods but being self-destructive. A lot of decent guys would like to try but I really doubt the selfish self-destructive streak can be fixed by anyone other than the woman herself. As for the bad boys and players, their behavior is rewarded. Why should they change?
 thutch901

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Posted: 10/26/2009 7:19:52 AM


As for the bad boys and players, their behavior is rewarded. Why should they change?


Yep and I am observing how these bad boys work and starting to run the same game as they are. Certainly the nice guy stories and themes are similar to mine? So if it happens to other nice guys with random women and random results and if the end goal is well relationships to one degree or another. Exactly my point and what I am doing. Adjust to what works. I am still of the opinion inexperienced guys are really nice guys and eventually they will get there.

-Travis
 Tracyannk

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Posted: 10/26/2009 7:59:52 AM
I think all the decent guys are taken, but with the divorce rate as high as it is, I'm sure they'll be back on the market again in no time...
 Ahoytheredave

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Posted: 10/26/2009 8:24:41 AM
In other threads, I have mentioned a college room mate who was the most successful player I have ever known. Since I lived with the guy, I learned a lot from him that few would ever see and certainly no women would see. He proved that chemistry is something you create. You study a target and create the chemistry for that target with all the appropriate lies and romantic trinkets. Once you have her formula, you don't have to be so careful and whatever you do is filtered in her vision and you can do no wrong. He proved he could be caught in lies and cheating and get away with it. I've known other players but he was in a league by himself. What he got from the women was far more than just sex. It was everything from laundry to money. He would have one girl clean the room and she would be impressed by how well he kept his laundry. Another would do his laundry and be impressed at how well he kept the room. If he was some Marlboro man or rich it might make more sense but he wasn't either. Bill Clinton had political power for women to blame but this guy didn’t carry such an excuse.

On a positive side, I don’t think he was abusive other than the deceptions but that can have its hazards. A fiancée moved into a dorm with one of his one-and-only’s and fight soon broke out. Neither of the girls knew he was studying “biology” with another one-and-only at the time. I thought this would finally break the spell but nope. He lied his way out of it with both the fighting girls and still kept one-and-onlys elsewhere. When a see a woman claim she can see through someone, I get a laugh although the whole lesson is depressing.
 DRIFT RIG

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Posted: 10/26/2009 8:29:14 AM
Yeah, they may be back on the market, but will another experience like getting jerked around by some alligator in high heels change them from decent to overly cautious?- and after the next time, from overly cautious to jaded?- and from jaded to aggressive and abusive?
Life is a learning experience ladies, so don't be shocked that some men are learning what you are teaching...
 kpooks

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Posted: 10/26/2009 8:45:44 AM
Nope, not taken and not gay, but having trouble finding a decent woman who floats my boat.
 wild heart

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Posted: 10/26/2009 9:08:54 AM

Yeah, they may be back on the market, but will another experience like getting jerked around by some alligator in high heels change them from decent to overly cautious?- and after the next time, from overly cautious to jaded?- and from jaded to aggressive and abusive?
Life is a learning experience ladies, so don't be shocked that some men are learning what you are teaching...


Same can be said the other way around....Did you ever think that negative men are a magnet for women who use? Just like one poster on here said, the players "learn" how to be charming - this stands for both men and women. It's just like women who go on and on about their "don't wants" on their profiles. They become a magnet for exactly what they are not looking for.

As for someone becoming aggressive and abusive just because they got a bad lot in life? Well I guess I should be out murdering puppies then shouldn't I? And stop going after the facking alligator's in high heels then! Pick the one in the runners. I know it's hard, but changing the way YOU do things is the only way things will improve. Or you could complain some more

Personally I have known men in my life who were decent, but didn't go around whining about their bad luck all the time. All those men were back in LTR's very soon and still are. And no, these are not men I was interested in, but rather relatives and friends.

Kpooks hit the nail on the head though - finding someone that you find attractive, that you like and that you enjoy being around is difficult.
 gentle whisper

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Posted: 10/27/2009 3:42:11 PM
1kindman4u what on earth are you smoking lol. I don't know what kind of women your dating meeting, talking too, but they are not the norm. I for one could care less about how much money a guy has. I want a heart of gold not a pot of gold. I don't look for mr GQ as most really handsome men are conceded, and narcissistic. I have dated a few and they did nothing for me. I don't need a project. I want to meet someone who is basically, well rounded, fun, funny, and likes to be kind and be treated kind. I don't care what he owns, or drives or how big his tassle is. All I care about is he a loving person who is not mean, or narcissistic. Is that picky?
 njbris

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Posted: 10/27/2009 3:52:06 PM

Decent guys: are they all either taken or gay?


Why is it that when a woman thinks this way about the male gender, most people will just shrug their shoulders and think oh well she is having a hard time. In other words she will still be socially accepted

But when a man is thinking this negative about the female gender, he has issues, he hates women, he hates his mum, he is not normal, or his attitude is the fault and not the women. And with that, he will be a social outcast.

What it comes down to is that when a man is negative, it's his fault and he needs to change but when it's a woman who is negative, there is only a very small minority out there who would consider it being her fault and she having to change.

When will social equality prevail?
 clockwork lime

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Posted: 10/27/2009 4:54:12 PM

Why is it that when a woman thinks this way about the male gender, most people will just shrug their shoulders and think oh well she is having a hard time. In other words she will still be socially accepted

But when a man is thinking this negative about the female gender, he has issues, he hates women, he hates his mum, he is not normal, or his attitude is the fault and not the women. And with that, he will be a social outcast.

What it comes down to is that when a man is negative, it's his fault and he needs to change but when it's a woman who is negative, there is only a very small minority out there who would consider it being her fault and she having to change.

When will social equality prevail?


Well Nick, you obviously did not get the memo.
When a man cheats, we don't have to look any further, it's because he's a dog.
When a woman cheats, we must examine the relationship and figure out exactly what the man did or didn't do that drove her to cheat.
When a man yells or calls a woman a name, it's because he's abusive.
When a woman yells or calls a man a name, it's because she's at the end of her rope.
When a man uses deception to get what he wants, it's because he's manipulative.
When a woman uses deception to get what she wants, she's using her wiles.
When a man dates a younger woman, he's a foolish old goat.
When a woman dates a younger man, it's empowering.

Get with the program Nick.
 gentle whisper

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Posted: 10/27/2009 5:16:01 PM
Line, Since we are sharing memo's here's one for ya. Instead of the good guys crying no one notices us. Why don't the good guys start helping stop abuse and supporting, and protecting abused women? That;s a good start to show you really are a good guy, cause you get it. You are not defensive because you know men can be really mean. But your one of the good guys that would never do this. So then impress women by standing up for them instead of accepting the abusive behavior in society. Remember 95% compared to 5% men abused. ITs a bit unbalanced don't you think? I wonder why? It must be women ask for it right?

Statistics of Battered Women
7% of women (3.9 million) are physically abused by their partners, and 37% (20.7 million) are verbally or emotionally abused.

Every 9 seconds a woman is physically abused by her husband or boyfriend.

95% of assaults on spouses or ex-spouses/or boyfriends are committed by men against women.

30% of women presenting with injuries to the emergency department had injuries caused by battering.

From 7% to 26% of pregnant women are abused.

42% of murdered women are killed by their intimate partners.

Within the last year, 7% of American women (3.9 million) who are married or living with someone as a couple were physically abused, and 37% (20.7 million) were verbally or emotionally abused by their spouse or partner. (The Commonwealth Fund, N.Y. 1991)
 clockwork lime

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Posted: 10/27/2009 5:54:22 PM
Maybe men will be inclined to do a bit more when women stop using mythical statistics from feminist organizations as a tool into trying to shame them.

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/daily-quotidien/050714/dq050714a-eng.htm

An estimated 7% of women and 6% of men in a current or previous spousal relationship encountered spousal violence during the five years up to and including 2004, according to a comprehensive new report on family violence.

The report, which uses data from the 2004 General Social Survey (GSS), showed that the overall five-year rate of spousal violence has remained unchanged at 7% since 1999. This means that an estimated 653,000 women and 546,000 men encountered some form of violence by a current or previous spouse or common-law partner.



In cases of current relationships in which emotional abuse existed, 25% of women and 19% of men experienced violence. Examples of emotional abuse include being isolated from family and friends, having no access to family income, or having property or possessions destroyed.

In contrast, in current relationships where there was no emotional abuse, 1% of women and 2% of men experienced violence.


Perhaps the use of proper government statistics will help.
 JWG86

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Posted: 10/27/2009 5:58:15 PM
Meh, I consider myself decent (no drugs, meaningful career to be realised in the next year, nearly debt-free, no criminal record, etc. etc.). I have my odd quirks of course, but over-all I rank myself as "decent". I am neither taken nor gay, much to the apparent dismay of lots of gym bunnies that go to my gym, lol.
 gentle whisper

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Posted: 10/27/2009 6:10:36 PM
American Institute on
Domestic Violence


The Human Factor

85-95% of all domestic violence victims are female.


Over 500,00 women are stalked by an intimate partner each year.





5.3 million women are abused each year.




1,232 women are killed each year by an intimate partner.




Domestic violence is the leading cause of injury to women.




Women are more likely to be attacked by someone they know rather than by a stranger.


Domestic Violence in the Workplace

Homicide is the leading cause of death for women in the workplace.




Of the approximately 1.7 million incidents of workplace violence that occur in the US every year, 18,700 are committed by an intimate partner: a current or former spouse, lover, partner, or boyfriend/girlfriend.


Of Battered Workers:

96% experience problems at work due to abuse


74% are harassed while at work by their abuser



56% are late to work



28% leave work early



54% miss entire days of work
 njbris

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Posted: 10/27/2009 6:29:42 PM
Heh, I can play this game to


Men are More Likely Than Women to Be Victims in Dating Violence, UNH Expert Says
http://www.unh.edu/news/cj_nr/2006/may/em_060519male.cfm?type=n



DURHAM, N.H. -- A 32-nation study of violence against dating partners by university partners found that about a third had been violent, and most incidents of partner violence involve violence by both the man and woman, according to Murray Straus, founder and co-director of the Family Research Laboratory at the University of New Hampshire. The second largest category was couples where the female partner was the only one to carry about physical attacks, not the male partner.

Straus’ new research also found that dominance by the female partner is even more closely related to violence by women than is male dominance. These results call into question the widely held belief that partner violence is primarily a male crime and that when women are violent it is self defense.

“In the 35 years since I began research on partner violence, I have seen my assumptions about prevalence and etiology contradicted by a mass of empirical evidence from my own research and from research by many others,” Straus said. “My view on partner violence now recognizes the overwhelming evidence that women assault their partners at about the same rate as men. However, when women are violent, the injury rate is lower.”

Straus will present his controversial research at the Trends in Intimate Violence Intervention conference in New York City May 22-25, 2006. This research is part of the International Dating Violence Study, a multinational study of violence against dating partners by university students. A consortium of researchers around the world collected data from 13,601 students at 68 universities in 32 nations.

In the paper, Straus calls for an end to the focus on men as the only perpetrators of dating violence, saying the refusal to recognize the multi-causal nature of the problem is hampering the effort to end domestic violence and ignoring half the perpetrators. As recently as December 2005, the National Institute of Justice refused to consider applications for funding that dealt with male victims.

“Changes in policy that acknowledge men are not the only perpetrators of partner violence are needed immediately,” Straus said. “It is time to make the prevention and treatment effort one that is aimed at ending all family violence, including spanking children, not just violence against women.”

Straus is the author or co-author of more than 200 publications, including "Beating the Devil Out Of Them: Corporal Punishment By American Parents and Its Effects on Children." More information on the International Dating Violence Study and papers reporting results are available at http://pubpages.unh.edu/~mas2/.



Women are Just as Likely as Men to Commit Domestic Violence...
http://www.mediaradar.org/research.php#waj

U.S. CENTERS FOR DISEASE CONTROL AND PREVENTION
Differences in Frequency of Violence and Reported Injury Between Relationships With Reciprocal and Nonreciprocal Intimate Partner Violence
http://www.ajph.org/cgi/content/abstract/97/5/941

MELANIE PHILLIPS
Man Beaters Behind Closed Doors
http://www.fact.on.ca/news/news0011/ti001119.htm

RICHARD GELLES
The Hidden Side of Domestic Violence: Male Victims
http://www.breakingthescience.org/RichardGelles_MissingPersonsOfDV.php

MARTIN FIEBERT
References Examining Assaults by Women on Their Spouses or Male Partners: An Annotated Bibliography
http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm

RICHARD B. FELSON and MAUREEN C. OUTLAW
The Control Motive and Marital Violence
http://www.unboundmedicine.com/medline/ebm/record/17691548/full_citation/The_control_motive_and_marital_violence_

RENEE McDONALD
Estimating the Number of American Children Living in Partner-Violent Families
http://smu.edu/experts/study-documents/family-violence-study-may2006.pdf

MURRAY STRAUS
Processes Explaining the Concealment and Distortion of Evidence on Gender Symmetry in Partner Violence
http://pubpages.unh.edu/~mas2/V74-gender-symmetry-with-gramham-Kevan-Method%208-.pdf

NICOLA GRAHAM-KEVAN
Distorting Intimate Violence Findings: Playing With Numbers
http://pubpages.unh.edu/~mas2/V74-gender-symmetry-with-gramham-Kevan-Method%208-.pdf

MURRAY STRAUS
32 Nation Study of Dating Violence Finds Female-Only Violence More Common than Male-Only
http://pubpages.unh.edu/~mas2/ID41E2.pdf

....the rest of the links for the sources below are found in this link when you scroll down
http://www.mediaradar.org/research.php#waj


Men Sustain Over One-Third of all DV-Related Injuries...

ABC 20/20
Men Battered by Their Wives

JOHN ARCHER, Ph.D.
Sex Differences in Aggression Between Heterosexual Partners: A Meta-Analytic Review

LEONARD PAULOZZI
Surveillance for Homicide among Intimate Partners – United States, 1981 – 1998


...But Men are Less Likely to Report the Incdent...

DAVID FONTES, PSY.D.
Violent Touch: Breaking Through the Stereotype

GEORGE ROLPH
Domestic Violence and the Male Victim


...So Media Coverage is Often Biased...

CATHY YOUNG
The Other Aggressor in Domestic Violence

GLENN SACKS
Baseball Player's Domestic Violence Arrest Demonstrates how Men are Presumed Guilty in Domestic Disputes


...Which Allows the Myths to Continue.

DONALD G. DUTTON
The Gender Paradigm In Domestic Violence Research And Theory: Part I: The Conflict Of Theory And Data

DONALD G. DUTTON
The Gender Paradigm In Domestic Violence Research And Practice Part II: The Information Website Of The American Bar Association

DONALD G. DUTTON
A Call to Revive Psychology and Science in Domestic Violence Research and Practice

RICHARD GELLES
Domestic Violence Factoids

WENDY MCELROY
Domestic Violence: Behind the Stereotypes

GLENN SACKS
'Fatal Fathers' Myth Promoted in Wake of Peterson, Hacking Cases

SUSAN SARNOFF
The Institutionalization of Misinformation: VAWA II
 wild heart

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Posted: 10/27/2009 7:00:13 PM

What it comes down to is that when a man is negative, it's his fault and he needs to change but when it's a woman who is negative, there is only a very small minority out there who would consider it being her fault and she having to change.


People who are negative will not attract positive people. Women do the same thing on here.

Why worry about what society prevailing? Frankly, on this site all one should be worrying about is their attitude. I changed the way I did things, not because anyone really forced me to, but because the other way wasn't working.

The fact is, I see more men whining and b*tching on here than women.

BTW: I've said this a thousand times, women won't change until the people raising them change. So if you have a daughter and you are treating her like a princess (and most parents do, btw) you have already created yet another woman that you complain about.
 gentle whisper

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Posted: 10/27/2009 8:42:06 PM
First of all guys before you all clap and dance and belt back a few beers praising yourselves, lets look at this from a common sense angle. Women are the weaker sex. Unless the guy is 100 pounds and his girlfriend is a wrestler or boxer.

Second women can't force men to have sex. Obvious reasons don't have to explain.

Men do far worse physical damage and have more anger issues then women.

Believe me if women could defend themselves men would not be beating on them like they do.

Yes there are a small percentage of women that beat abuse men and abuse period is not right. But if any man is honest with himself and others he knows men are more abusive, aggressive, dangerous then women. If they refuse to admit that they have serious issues.

A real man knows that there are a large percentage of men are down right sick.

No man wants to admit that their gender has major problems.

If I were a man I would be ashamed of how many men treat women.

But as always men have to stick up for the goo ole boys and not own up to the fact that there is a serious problem. I think the only time men really get it is when their daughter comes home all black and blue or is found dead. Then men see the real truth. Do all men have to be responsible for some men? No but they can start to recognise it and do something positive about it.
 blueberrywaffles

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Posted: 10/27/2009 8:54:50 PM
RE: "The one I talked to just had a very unsatisfying childhood because his parents died when he was little, and he wanted to find a woman so that he could have kids that were really his own and live the part of the so-called American Dream that he missed out on".

What is wrong with that desire...at least he was "straight" about it! Many would have lied through their teeth until you were knocked up and in dire straights, ala future relationship. It's the "blood is thicker than water thing...no judge would deny that Father his due in terms of his child". I think he did you a service in coming out with his true feelings on the matter up front. If it didn't work for you, fine, but that does not speak badly of him. JMO.
 Fort Garry Dark

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Posted: 10/27/2009 9:13:51 PM

No man wants to admit that their gender has major problems.


Thats a broad brush. Men aren't perfect - I don't think women are either.


A real man knows that there are a large percentage of men are down right sick.


I sorry that is your experience. I think there are a lot of good guys out there.

Good luck to you.
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